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Amazon Fleet News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:55 pm

Welcome to the Amazon Fleet News and Discussion Thread 2022. Please continue your discussion and to post your news below.

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Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:48 pm

Happy New Year 2022!! cheers!
 
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Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:54 pm

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Happy New Year 2022!! cheers!


Happy New Year! Thanks for all your great info in 2021. Looking forward to more in 2022!!
 
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Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:51 pm

Will this be the year Amazon buys ATI?
 
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Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:21 pm

CoThG wrote:
Will this be the year Amazon buys ATI?


Unless they're insane, no. But who knows?
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:51 pm

wjcandee wrote:
CoThG wrote:
Will this be the year Amazon buys ATI?


Unless they're insane, no. But who knows?


Amazon is already going down that slippery slope by giving ATI Amazon uniforms.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:21 pm

CoThG wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
CoThG wrote:
Will this be the year Amazon buys ATI?


Unless they're insane, no. But who knows?


Amazon is already going down that slippery slope by giving ATI Amazon uniforms.


The idea that Amazon doesn't have operational control of their ACMI carriers is next to ludicrous.
 
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Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:58 pm

FlapOperator wrote:
CoThG wrote:
wjcandee wrote:

Unless they're insane, no. But who knows?


Amazon is already going down that slippery slope by giving ATI Amazon uniforms.


The idea that Amazon doesn't have operational control of their ACMI carriers is next to ludicrous.


ATI doesn't take a dump without Amazon's blessing.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:00 am

CoThG wrote:
FlapOperator wrote:
CoThG wrote:

Amazon is already going down that slippery slope by giving ATI Amazon uniforms.


The idea that Amazon doesn't have operational control of their ACMI carriers is next to ludicrous.


ATI doesn't take a dump without Amazon's blessing.


At some point the FAA has to call a spade a spade. Its laughable that Bezos just simply gets to flout the law, while the FAA hunts down the mythical white whale of light airplane charter "problem."
 
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Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:21 am

I believe we all know that AMZ will at some point have to purchase a few of their contract carriers. Maybe not in 2022 but, as many have pointed out the regulatory issues that AMZ is skirting.

Additionally, I believe their contract carriers will hemorrhage pilots, mechanics, dispatchers, and support staff in the coming year(s). Why would a qualified pilot/mechanic look to ACMI carriers over the big 3, SWA, FE, or UPS?
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:21 pm

Much of this is political/economics which needs to be in a special forum dedicated to wider aviation issues. It definitely is not a non-aviation thread.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:55 am

One thing I didn't catch is that Southern Air is no more. It has been merged into Atlas Air. Press Release

Kinda expected I guess.
 
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Fri Jan 07, 2022 9:54 am

I was looking at the Amazon Air wikipedia page, and I realize that it isn't authoritative, but it doesn't list any 767-200s for Amazon Air, nor does it show ABX as operating any of the Amazon flights. Is this actually the case? If so, when did the 762s and ABX exit the operation?
 
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Fri Jan 07, 2022 10:09 am

I was reading a Forbes article: Why Is Amazon Buying Converted 767 Freighters Instead Of Leasing? and it has this weird story from Benedict Sirimanne, president of CSDS Aircraft Sales & Leasing, a California-based aircraft brokerage:

[Sirimanne] also sold a General Electric CF6, the most widely used 767 engine, to Amazon through a broker in a deal involving Monocoque Diversified Services.

“They [Amazon] didn’t have a system to pay us. They used PayPal PYPL +2.7% to pay a $3 million-plus bill for the engine. It was strange,” he laughs.


I'm kinda amazed that Amazon couldn't have figured out an ACH transfer, a wire transfer, a check, or a few briefcases of $100 bills...
 
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Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:05 pm

USAirKid wrote:
I was looking at the Amazon Air wikipedia page, and I realize that it isn't authoritative, but it doesn't list any 767-200s for Amazon Air, nor does it show ABX as operating any of the Amazon flights. Is this actually the case? If so, when did the 762s and ABX exit the operation?


They didn't. Typical Wikipedia-author lack of knowledge. People think if it doesn't say "Prime Air" on the side, it isn't leased by Amazon. There are/were/will-be-for-some-time 6 762s operated by ABX for Amazon Air, AS WELL AS another 762s operated for Amazon Air by ATI, all 12 leased from CAM. None of these were ever painted in the Prime Air livery. One of the 12 is in the Airborne Express special livery. (N768AX).

Be my guest if you want to correct the entry. I never looked at it, and probably won't.

The 12 dry-leased to Amazon from CAM are:
ATI-operated: 739AX, 714AX, 791AX, 761CX, 762CX, 763CX
ABX-operated: 744AX, 749AX, 750AX, 768AX, 774AX, 795AX

ABX routinely uses other 762s in its fleet on Amazon runs as well. It seems to me that it adds up essentially to an extra plane's worth of trips. ATI sometimes runs N255CM, in its new livery, as a maintenance spare on Amazon routes.

All these 767-200 leases were originally 5 years from 2016 (plane-by-plane; they didn't all start on the exact same date). In December 2018, they were extended by 2 more years to total 7 years (to 2023 for the math-challenged). Those extensions also include the option for up to 3 additional years (so to 2026). When the extensions were signed, I did the math on each aircraft's cycles, and some may hit or come close to hitting their LOV before 2026, depending on usage. I think I counted two that might not get there, but that most others would be fine. It's in an earlier thread, probably the 2019 version now that these threads only run for a year.

Looking quickly at my cycle records on these things, 795AX won't make it to 2026 at 700 cycles/year, and 739AX might be close but should still get there. Amazon utilization may exceed 700 on some aircraft, so this isn't definitive. Many of the rest of the 12 could fly well-beyond 2026 based on cycles. If I have time, I will go back and see where they are today, and how many cycles they have run in the past 1-2 years. Or one can look back at what I previously wrote about all this, which was pretty-comprehensive.

Also note that ABX is pretty-expert at getting the very-last-cycle-before-LOV out of its 762SFs, so no reason to think that CAM or ABX will retire them before then if there's freight to be flown on them.

PS Historical note: N739AX was late-to-the-game for Amazon; they had contracted for it, but ATI had to run a different aircraft in its place for many months -- well into 2017. The reason was that maintenance took longer than expected. I just glanced at her SDRs, and there literally almost 400 from that pre-lease heavy-check. Replacement of so very many corroded and other things in the skin and structure. Since 2018, there are almost no SDRs, so it was a good job. Just looking at the total number of cycles in the last 3 years, it averages just about 700 per year, so my estimate is reliable. 739 could go the distance.

795 was at 48644 a couple of months ago, so she's got about 2 years at 700/year.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:06 pm

Any word, who'll get N396AN CAM B763 after BDSF conversion at TLV? Getting close to complete. cheers!
 
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Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:57 pm

stretch8 wrote:
Any word, who'll get N396AN CAM B763 after BDSF conversion at TLV? Getting close to complete. cheers!


Gonna be N322CM, so probably not Amazon, but beyond that I don't know.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Fri Jan 07, 2022 11:24 pm

wjcandee wrote:
stretch8 wrote:
Any word, who'll get N396AN CAM B763 after BDSF conversion at TLV? Getting close to complete. cheers!


Gonna be N322CM, so probably not Amazon, but beyond that I don't know.



CAM has agreed to lease three 767-300s to Star Air beginning this year......
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Fri Jan 07, 2022 11:52 pm

wjcandee wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
I was looking at the Amazon Air wikipedia page, and I realize that it isn't authoritative, but it doesn't list any 767-200s for Amazon Air, nor does it show ABX as operating any of the Amazon flights. Is this actually the case? If so, when did the 762s and ABX exit the operation?


They didn't. Typical Wikipedia-author lack of knowledge. People think if it doesn't say "Prime Air" on the side, it isn't leased by Amazon. There are/were/will-be-for-some-time 6 762s operated by ABX for Amazon Air, AS WELL AS another 762s operated for Amazon Air by ATI, all 12 leased from CAM. None of these were ever painted in the Prime Air livery. One of the 12 is in the Airborne Express special livery. (N768AX).

Be my guest if you want to correct the entry. I never looked at it, and probably won't.

The 12 dry-leased to Amazon from CAM are:
ATI-operated: 739AX, 714AX, 791AX, 761CX, 762CX, 763CX
ABX-operated: 744AX, 749AX, 750AX, 768AX, 774AX, 795AX

ABX routinely uses other 762s in its fleet on Amazon runs as well. It seems to me that it adds up essentially to an extra plane's worth of trips. ATI sometimes runs N255CM, in its new livery, as a maintenance spare on Amazon routes.


It seems the source for the fleet table was planespotters.net and since the 767-200s aren't in Amazon Livery they don't get added there. I went and dug up ATSG's annual report, which has a helpful table on the airplanes contracted to Amazon and a summary of their lease dates.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:47 am

N251AZ B763 is routing SBD-AFW as ATN251 today. Possibly heading to paint? Hoping N257AZ at ROW, & N641AZ at GUS will be out of paint shortly. cheers!
 
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Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:22 pm

N396AN CAM B763 did a 50 minute test flight at TLV today. N257AZ B763 scheduled ROW-CVG yesterday after AZ paint - a no go. N641AZ B763 at GUS for AZ paint is due. Bet N251AZ B763 is ready for AZ paint! cheers!
 
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Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:01 pm

Has the ILN operation been down sized since the CVG sort opened?
 
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Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:02 am

CoThG wrote:
Has the ILN operation been down sized since the CVG sort opened?


It's 11 flights a day right now. I think there were 2 flights to LAX during Peak and now there's only one. So maybe down by one aircraft.

I'm not even sure that the entire volume going into CVG is being sorted in the new facility yet. They seemed to be ramping it up bit by bit, and initially it was only a few aircraft.
 
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Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:43 am

N257AZ B763 is enroute ROW-CVG as ATN257 after paint. cheers!
 
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Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:19 am

stretch8 wrote:
N257AZ B763 is enroute ROW-CVG as ATN257 after paint. cheers!


Woo hoo! One down, one to go! Given that it was already in service, presumably she can show her shiny new coat by just getting back in the flying rotation without delay.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:06 pm

As Stretch8 told us, 257AZ is painted, and now it's back in service (was all-white).

Now, 251AZ (also all-white) just flew to ROW for the same treatment.

Also, Amazon-owned N641AZ, which flew directly to paint at GUS from TLV, is now done with paint and has flown to ILN, presumably for conformity.

(Interestingly, IAC seems to be a bit slower than Dean Baldwin these days when painting frames that I'm watching. They're all slower than before, perhaps due to Covid, but IAC is noticeable. The formerly-CAM 757SF N605DL, which is going to be leased to Astral, was sent by the new lessors to IAC at VCV well over 3 weeks ago, and still there.)
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:02 am

wjcandee wrote:
CoThG wrote:
I'm not even sure that the entire volume going into CVG is being sorted in the new facility yet. They seemed to be ramping it up bit by bit, and initially it was only a few aircraft.

Don't believe it is. To my knowledge they haven't even finished paving the parking pad.
I never got a definitive answer from DHL folks as to how long it would be until AMZ exits the DHL sort facility at CVG. At the time I left the company this past fall, DHL was building up a previously-dead 2nd shift with rumors of a 2nd shift sort starting as soon as AMZ left their facility. If this year's Peak volumes were anything like last year's, I bet they are watching the minutes go by impatiently.
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:45 am

Harvestman wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
CoThG wrote:
I'm not even sure that the entire volume going into CVG is being sorted in the new facility yet. They seemed to be ramping it up bit by bit, and initially it was only a few aircraft.

Don't believe it is. To my knowledge they haven't even finished paving the parking pad.
I never got a definitive answer from DHL folks as to how long it would be until AMZ exits the DHL sort facility at CVG. At the time I left the company this past fall, DHL was building up a previously-dead 2nd shift with rumors of a 2nd shift sort starting as soon as AMZ left their facility. If this year's Peak volumes were anything like last year's, I bet they are watching the minutes go by impatiently.


The talk is March for Amazon to vacate the DHL ramp with DHL starting a day shift soon thereafter. Not sure of this, but that’s the talk.
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:50 pm

N396AN CAM B763 enroute TLV-???, after test flights 13 & 17 January 2022. Currently over UK at four zero zero. My guess - overnite BGR, then maybe off to paint at GUS! cheers!
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:54 pm

wjcandee wrote:
CoThG wrote:
Has the ILN operation been down sized since the CVG sort opened?


It's 11 flights a day right now. I think there were 2 flights to LAX during Peak and now there's only one. So maybe down by one aircraft.

I'm not even sure that the entire volume going into CVG is being sorted in the new facility yet. They seemed to be ramping it up bit by bit, and initially it was only a few aircraft.


The slow ramp up seems to be their MO. I can't really see them keeping the ILN sort operating after CVG is fully up to speed.
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:43 pm

stretch8 wrote:
N396AN CAM B763 enroute TLV-???, after test flights 13 & 17 January 2022. Currently over UK at four zero zero. My guess - overnite BGR, then maybe off to paint at GUS! cheers!


Looks like it landed at SNN; guess it will be off to the US tomorrow. Probably first to you at ILN, then off to paint later. It's going to be N322CM, so not going to be leased to Amazon. It will be fun to see to whom she ends up being leased. She was at TLV since May 4, 2021, so 8.5 months. (Pre-COVID, the norm had been 6 months at TLV.)
 
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Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:00 pm

N396AN B763 is on ground at CVG from SNN landing rwy 18C. Hopefully, she continues to ILN. cheers!
 
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Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:15 pm

Which 763 is at Melbourne?
 
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Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:09 am

MCOflyer wrote:
Which 763 is at Melbourne?


N1229A. One of the Atlas-operated ones. Dry-leased by Amazon from Andromeda/Titan. Been there like 4 days.
 
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Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:14 am

wjcandee wrote:
MCOflyer wrote:
Which 763 is at Melbourne?


N1229A. One of the Atlas-operated ones. Dry-leased by Amazon from Andromeda/Titan. Been there like 4 days.


Is this the Australian city? Or somewhere else.

In any case… why is it there?
 
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Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:36 am

Most likely for Mx.
 
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Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:46 am

USAirKid wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
MCOflyer wrote:
Which 763 is at Melbourne?


N1229A. One of the Atlas-operated ones. Dry-leased by Amazon from Andromeda/Titan. Been there like 4 days.


Is this the Australian city? Or somewhere else.

In any case… why is it there?


This is like the Sam Morril (comedian) bit where he calls his Dad after a disastrous show in Naples, Florida. "You're in Naples....Italy?" "No, Dad...I wish it were. These jokes aren't taking me to Italy."

It's in Melbourne, Florida. STS has a growing MRO operation there, and presumably it's in for a heavy-check. Atlas was using Flightstar at VQQ pretty-exclusively for its Amazon 767s for a while, but that has changed in the last year. So sounds like N1229A is at STS.
 
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Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:38 pm

Agreed on the heavy check. There is a lot of a/c there just for Mx. Will be interesting to see if Atlas and Amazon send more a/c there for heavy Mx.
 
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Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:45 pm

MCOflyer wrote:
Agreed on the heavy check. There is a lot of a/c there just for Mx. Will be interesting to see if Atlas and Amazon send more a/c there for heavy Mx.


Agreed. Others, too. N650GT spent some time at STS at MLB when transitioning from Atlas to ABX.

That was one of the 9 DHL 767-200s that were originally operated by ABX for DHL, then moved en-masse to be operated by GTI after DHL bought them, then removed by DHL from GTI and spread among several carriers for operation. In the end, one seems kaput (N655GT) while there are now 2 at ABX, 5 at Amerijet, and 1 at CSB.

One of our members said that they all needed some serious heavy maintenance when moving between carriers. Perhaps that's why N650GT was at MLB from 6/25 to 9/21/21, according to my notes.
 
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Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:11 pm

N396AN CAM B763 arrived from SNN yesterday, after leaving TLV day before. Is she in maint at CVG in one of hgrs, or was she delivered to DHL? She did not arrive at ILN yesterday. Hopefully not a triple gear change. Thanks for info! cheers!
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:19 am

wjcandee wrote:
MCOflyer wrote:
Agreed on the heavy check. There is a lot of a/c there just for Mx. Will be interesting to see if Atlas and Amazon send more a/c there for heavy Mx.


Agreed. Others, too. N650GT spent some time at STS at MLB when transitioning from Atlas to ABX.

That was one of the 9 DHL 767-200s that were originally operated by ABX for DHL, then moved en-masse to be operated by GTI after DHL bought them, then removed by DHL from GTI and spread among several carriers for operation. In the end, one seems kaput (N655GT) while there are now 2 at ABX, 5 at Amerijet, and 1 at CSB.

One of our members said that they all needed some serious heavy maintenance when moving between carriers. Perhaps that's why N650GT was at MLB from 6/25 to 9/21/21, according to my notes.


They did several test flights with it. It was sitting on the ground covered up for a good chunk of that time aswell.
 
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Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:58 am

New ATR route out of AFW: AFW-ICT. Began this week it appears. It joins AFW-DSM/ABQ as one of the three ATR routes that are operated by 5 Silver ATR's. I suspect we will see more routes added in the near future, as they're really only operating an overnight turn from AFW and back on these. Would love to see all 5 in service at the same time.
 
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Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:16 am

I should note that besides 1229A at MLB, two other Atlas CMI Amazon aircraft are not in service. Instead, they're in MEX, presumably for maintenance.

They flew down on ferry flight numbers about 3 weeks apart. Each parked immediately-adjacent to the MexicanaMRO ramp, and so was presumably towed in.

N1361A, arrived 1/23/22, and N1409A, arrived 12/31/21. Interestingly, neither is an IAI conversion. Both are BCFs, converted at QPG.

Given that MexicanaMRO is doing the touch work on several Amazon-owned 767 conversions, they demonstrably have the ability to heavy-check a 763. I had thought that they were swamped with all the conversions they are doing of 767s and 737s, but I guess they made room for Amazon/Atlas.
 
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Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:15 pm

What is the Amazon service at KMCI? Still at the 1 737 route?
 
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Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:09 am

Looks like N251AZ flew to AFW from ROW today after paint.
 
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Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:10 am

strangeplanes wrote:
What is the Amazon service at KMCI? Still at the 1 737 route?


ATI goes between SBD and MCI once a day currently.
 
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Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:09 am

No Amazon (or any) flights into or out of ILN all day. I was wondering why that was given that the conditions although marginal didn't seem to be enough to prevent CATIII landings.

Then I turned on the Weather Channel and now I see how ice has accumulated all over the Midwest, even down to DFW. So I get it. People can't get to or from work at the moment. Sounds sensible to just shut it down. Interesting that DHL is continuing some operations at CVG, though.
 
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Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:34 am

wjcandee wrote:
No Amazon (or any) flights into or out of ILN all day. I was wondering why that was given that the conditions although marginal didn't seem to be enough to prevent CATIII landings.

Then I turned on the Weather Channel and now I see how ice has accumulated all over the Midwest, even down to DFW. So I get it. People can't get to or from work at the moment. Sounds sensible to just shut it down. Interesting that DHL is continuing some operations at CVG, though.


There was a large pulldown today by Amazon at AFW as well.
 
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Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:59 am

nws2002 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
No Amazon (or any) flights into or out of ILN all day. I was wondering why that was given that the conditions although marginal didn't seem to be enough to prevent CATIII landings.

Then I turned on the Weather Channel and now I see how ice has accumulated all over the Midwest, even down to DFW. So I get it. People can't get to or from work at the moment. Sounds sensible to just shut it down. Interesting that DHL is continuing some operations at CVG, though.


There was a large pulldown today by Amazon at AFW as well.


The Dallas area got walloped by a winter storm as well.
 
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Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:18 pm

What's the current fleet of Amazon/prime air and the companies operating them, it's not easy to find reliable information about it, it seems to be unreliable, like wikipedia post previously mentioned.

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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos