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cathay747 wrote:HNY everybody!
Did I miss a memo, or did HA suspend PHX-OGG? When I was booking our trip to Hawaii for 3Q of this year, I didn't see it.
BA744PHX wrote:cathay747 wrote:HNY everybody!
Did I miss a memo, or did HA suspend PHX-OGG? When I was booking our trip to Hawaii for 3Q of this year, I didn't see it.
Good morning, I figure since the route was announced in March 2021 for May 2021 start we wouldn’t see the schedule (if resuming) until January or February this year.
Wneast wrote:[twoid][/twoid]BA744PHX wrote:cathay747 wrote:HNY everybody!
Did I miss a memo, or did HA suspend PHX-OGG? When I was booking our trip to Hawaii for 3Q of this year, I didn't see it.
Good morning, I figure since the route was announced in March 2021 for May 2021 start we wouldn’t see the schedule (if resuming) until January or February this year.
It’s seasonal
SumChristianus wrote:I'm interested to know anything more interesting about aviation in the Phoenix area and Arizona in general.
chrisair wrote:SumChristianus wrote:I'm interested to know anything more interesting about aviation in the Phoenix area and Arizona in general.
If you live here, PHX can be a real easy airport to get in and out. Hopefully they can fix the east entrance because traffic gets really backed up in the mornings and people are a bunch of idiots and can’t merge. Aside from that, it’s a simple airport to navigate in and out of as a local. It’s dreadful if you need to rent a car.
You won’t understand our heat until you experience it. It’s rather hot here.
birdup wrote:PHX is pretty quick to get to from almost anywhere in the valley. AZA is basically only more convenient if you’re in Gilbert or the fringes of Mesa. I don’t think PHX has any big congestion issues, it seems to have plenty of capacity, and it’s just far better connected, so there’s few reasons to fly out of AZA.
Vctony wrote:Also PHX is hamstrung by the flow control restrictions that Tempe has imposed on the airport.
kearnet wrote:Has the western extension of the SkyTrain opened to the Rental car center yet? When I drove through a few weeks ago, I believe I saw posters up on the columns in the pickup area announcing the change from buses.
kearnet wrote:Getting rid of the buses will be such a relieve to the roadways!
MO11 wrote:kearnet wrote:Has the western extension of the SkyTrain opened to the Rental car center yet? When I drove through a few weeks ago, I believe I saw posters up on the columns in the pickup area announcing the change from buses.
City is saying "early summer".kearnet wrote:Getting rid of the buses will be such a relieve to the roadways!
It has yet to devise an alternate plan for transportation to the RAC when the SkyTrAAn breaks or goes out for maintenance.
cm642 wrote:When did BA switch from the 772 to the 773, is this temporary or something more permanent?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KGsRshWU70
LTEN11 wrote:Can I say that as a tourist there a few years ago for Spring Training, driving through the terminal area was a nightmare, it's so confusing. I have had worse experiences driving through a terminal area, but that was ICN and nearly everything is written in Korean with small English writing which is to small to see until it's too late.
Otherwise the whole Phoenix area is great for aviation, both civil and military.
mga707 wrote:LTEN11 wrote:Can I say that as a tourist there a few years ago for Spring Training, driving through the terminal area was a nightmare, it's so confusing. I have had worse experiences driving through a terminal area, but that was ICN and nearly everything is written in Korean with small English writing which is to small to see until it's too late.
Otherwise the whole Phoenix area is great for aviation, both civil and military.
Probably a little less confusing now that T-2 is gone.
cathay747 wrote:mga707 wrote:LTEN11 wrote:Can I say that as a tourist there a few years ago for Spring Training, driving through the terminal area was a nightmare, it's so confusing. I have had worse experiences driving through a terminal area, but that was ICN and nearly everything is written in Korean with small English writing which is to small to see until it's too late.
Otherwise the whole Phoenix area is great for aviation, both civil and military.
Probably a little less confusing now that T-2 is gone.
Sadly, no, it's not. Nothing can be done about it, however, other than improving the signage and painting on the pavement itself like what's on the freeways to help you know what lane you need to be in for what. THAT is the problem; there are so many lanes, ramps, exits, etc., you don't know where to be. Again, this is for infrequent users of PHX, frequent flyers/users I'm sure have no problem, but that's from experience!
alasizon wrote:cathay747 wrote:mga707 wrote:
Probably a little less confusing now that T-2 is gone.
Down the road when they begin building the West Terminal they are supposed to realign Sky Harbor Blvd to be straight all the way from T4 to Copperhead/the new West Ground Trans SkyTrain station before it re-splits into Buckeye and the I-10 ramps. That should hopefully help. It's just about ten years away.
1337Delta764 wrote:Note that eventually a permanent West Economy lot is supposed to be built near the Rental Car Center. The former T2 parking garage is intended to be a temporary lot until a permanent West Economy is built. The T2 parking garage should be torn down to make way for the West Terminal.
cathay747 wrote:^ I'm glad to know somebody understands what I'm talking about; we're in Avondale some we come from the west.
MrPeanut wrote:alasizon wrote:cathay747 wrote:Down the road when they begin building the West Terminal they are supposed to realign Sky Harbor Blvd to be straight all the way from T4 to Copperhead/the new West Ground Trans SkyTrain station before it re-splits into Buckeye and the I-10 ramps. That should hopefully help. It's just about ten years away.
Is that even possible ? Unless they bury the road, it would cut through both the Commuter ramp and light rail.
The four airports where the most firearms were discovered in 2021 were the same as 2020's top four.
Screeners found 507 guns at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, followed by 317 at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport, 245 at George Bush Intercontinental Airport in Houston, 196 at Phoenix's Sky Harbor International Airport, and 163 at Nashville International Airport.
910A wrote:Once again SkyHarbor is #4 for guns seized for 2021The four airports where the most firearms were discovered in 2021 were the same as 2020's top four.
Screeners found 507 guns at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, followed by 317 at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport, 245 at George Bush Intercontinental Airport in Houston, 196 at Phoenix's Sky Harbor International Airport, and 163 at Nashville International Airport.
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/natio ... hnzVYXIJz0
SumChristianus wrote:I'm excited to be moving to the Phoenix area in few months and hope to contribute a lot more to this thread in the near future.
For a start, some T100 LF pulls on this spreadsheet (August 2021): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... RszaoKerg/ with more to come.
Also, if anyone wants a US domestic passenger segment profile on any particular route I have a rudimentary runaround way (i.e. without MS Access) of doing it for very small pulls from DB1B data.
(Example might be who is flying TUS-PHX
Almost no local passengers with these being the largest beyond-PHX markets from TUS in Q3 2021
PDX 11.1
SMF 9.0
LAS 8.8
AUS 8.7
SAN 8.7
MSP 8.5
SAT 8.4
SLC 7.1
PHL 6.7
ONT 6.4
SEA 6.3
DCA 5.6
DFW 5.4
HNL 5.3
DEN 5.3
RNO 5.1
SJC 5.1)
A few other tidbits I found interesting:
Largest beyond market on DFW-PHX is HNL
Largest beyond market on COS-PHX is SMF
Largest beyond markets on HNL-PHX are DEN, SLC, HOU, and SAT (all around 11-14 PDEW)
SumChristianus wrote:I'm excited to be moving to the Phoenix area in few months and hope to contribute a lot more to this thread in the near future.
For a start, some T100 LF pulls on this spreadsheet (August 2021): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... RszaoKerg/ with more to come.
Also, if anyone wants a US domestic passenger segment profile on any particular route I have a rudimentary runaround way (i.e. without MS Access) of doing it for very small pulls from DB1B data.
(Example might be who is flying TUS-PHX
Almost no local passengers with these being the largest beyond-PHX markets from TUS in Q3 2021
PDX 11.1
SMF 9.0
LAS 8.8
AUS 8.7
SAN 8.7
MSP 8.5
SAT 8.4
SLC 7.1
PHL 6.7
ONT 6.4
SEA 6.3
DCA 5.6
DFW 5.4
HNL 5.3
DEN 5.3
RNO 5.1
SJC 5.1)
A few other tidbits I found interesting:
Largest beyond market on DFW-PHX is HNL
Largest beyond market on COS-PHX is SMF
Largest beyond markets on HNL-PHX are DEN, SLC, HOU, and SAT (all around 11-14 PDEW)
BA744PHX wrote:SumChristianus wrote:I'm excited to be moving to the Phoenix area in few months and hope to contribute a lot more to this thread in the near future.
For a start, some T100 LF pulls on this spreadsheet (August 2021): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... RszaoKerg/ with more to come.
Also, if anyone wants a US domestic passenger segment profile on any particular route I have a rudimentary runaround way (i.e. without MS Access) of doing it for very small pulls from DB1B data.
(Example might be who is flying TUS-PHX
Almost no local passengers with these being the largest beyond-PHX markets from TUS in Q3 2021
PDX 11.1
SMF 9.0
LAS 8.8
AUS 8.7
SAN 8.7
MSP 8.5
SAT 8.4
SLC 7.1
PHL 6.7
ONT 6.4
SEA 6.3
DCA 5.6
DFW 5.4
HNL 5.3
DEN 5.3
RNO 5.1
SJC 5.1)
A few other tidbits I found interesting:
Largest beyond market on DFW-PHX is HNL
Largest beyond market on COS-PHX is SMF
Largest beyond markets on HNL-PHX are DEN, SLC, HOU, and SAT (all around 11-14 PDEW)
Wow very good information! Well done!
Regarding COS-PHX this was only served for 4 months December 2019 - March 2020 and hasn't resumed. Is this a typo by any chance?
alasizon wrote:BA744PHX wrote:SumChristianus wrote:I'm excited to be moving to the Phoenix area in few months and hope to contribute a lot more to this thread in the near future.
For a start, some T100 LF pulls on this spreadsheet (August 2021): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... RszaoKerg/ with more to come.
Also, if anyone wants a US domestic passenger segment profile on any particular route I have a rudimentary runaround way (i.e. without MS Access) of doing it for very small pulls from DB1B data.
(Example might be who is flying TUS-PHX
Almost no local passengers with these being the largest beyond-PHX markets from TUS in Q3 2021
PDX 11.1
SMF 9.0
LAS 8.8
AUS 8.7
SAN 8.7
MSP 8.5
SAT 8.4
SLC 7.1
PHL 6.7
ONT 6.4
SEA 6.3
DCA 5.6
DFW 5.4
HNL 5.3
DEN 5.3
RNO 5.1
SJC 5.1)
A few other tidbits I found interesting:
Largest beyond market on DFW-PHX is HNL
Largest beyond market on COS-PHX is SMF
Largest beyond markets on HNL-PHX are DEN, SLC, HOU, and SAT (all around 11-14 PDEW)
Wow very good information! Well done!
Regarding COS-PHX this was only served for 4 months December 2019 - March 2020 and hasn't resumed. Is this a typo by any chance?
WN is flying COS-PHX currently.
BA744PHX wrote:alasizon wrote:BA744PHX wrote:
Wow very good information! Well done!
Regarding COS-PHX this was only served for 4 months December 2019 - March 2020 and hasn't resumed. Is this a typo by any chance?
WN is flying COS-PHX currently.
Thanks for the update, I assumed the data was AA only, my mistake
SumChristianus wrote:BA744PHX wrote:alasizon wrote:
WN is flying COS-PHX currently.
Thanks for the update, I assumed the data was AA only, my mistake
Sorry for not being clear, I didn't split it out. Until I find a MS Access alternative (or buy a new license for my new computer) my solution is kind of clunky to access/pprobe DB1B O&D data.
PHX-COS is kind of an odd-route to be unserved by AA. It seems like that should be a key-hub feeder, but is so inconsistently served by them. I wonder if, similar to PHX-OKC which went unserved by AA for awhile, it its just an awkward distance route in which flights don't fit well into hub banks at PHX?
alasizon wrote:SumChristianus wrote:BA744PHX wrote:
Thanks for the update, I assumed the data was AA only, my mistake
Sorry for not being clear, I didn't split it out. Until I find a MS Access alternative (or buy a new license for my new computer) my solution is kind of clunky to access/pprobe DB1B O&D data.
PHX-COS is kind of an odd-route to be unserved by AA. It seems like that should be a key-hub feeder, but is so inconsistently served by them. I wonder if, similar to PHX-OKC which went unserved by AA for awhile, it its just an awkward distance route in which flights don't fit well into hub banks at PHX?
The distance is awkward but the yield of COS-West is just terrible which is why it got cut.
Most recent attempt was 2x pro-rate CR2 at launch and then added a contract CR7 and then eventually went 2x CR2 and 1x 319 followed by 1x CR7 and 1x 319 - it just never generated the yield to sustain the market. I think part of it is the demand is just to markets with lots of competition and it just ends up occupying seats that would make more money when filled with connections from other outstations.
OKCDCA wrote:alasizon wrote:SumChristianus wrote:Sorry for not being clear, I didn't split it out. Until I find a MS Access alternative (or buy a new license for my new computer) my solution is kind of clunky to access/pprobe DB1B O&D data.
PHX-COS is kind of an odd-route to be unserved by AA. It seems like that should be a key-hub feeder, but is so inconsistently served by them. I wonder if, similar to PHX-OKC which went unserved by AA for awhile, it its just an awkward distance route in which flights don't fit well into hub banks at PHX?
The distance is awkward but the yield of COS-West is just terrible which is why it got cut.
Most recent attempt was 2x pro-rate CR2 at launch and then added a contract CR7 and then eventually went 2x CR2 and 1x 319 followed by 1x CR7 and 1x 319 - it just never generated the yield to sustain the market. I think part of it is the demand is just to markets with lots of competition and it just ends up occupying seats that would make more money when filled with connections from other outstations.
This is the first I've heard the yields were terrible on COS-PHX for AA. Just curious where that data is coming from? There was a quote from one of the AA execs a couple months ago that AA considered COS and DEN the same market and they didn't want to put seats into COS and risk losing some passengers out of DEN. I thought that was a pretty ridiculous statement because I can assure you COS and DEN are not the same market.
sea13 wrote:Does anybody know the history of Lufthansa’s flight school in the Phoenix area? Why Arizona? How long has it been around? And are the students all German?
sea13 wrote:Does anybody know the history of Lufthansa’s flight school in the Phoenix area? Why Arizona? How long has it been around? And are the students all German?
MO11 wrote:sea13 wrote:Does anybody know the history of Lufthansa’s flight school in the Phoenix area? Why Arizona? How long has it been around? And are the students all German?
This may provide more insight:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/lufthansa-pilot-training-phoenix/
Up until a year ago, it owned a private airfield in the desert with a full ILS.
plnguye1 wrote:Fingers crossed that we get a non-stop Asia flight this year or next with all the tech companies moving here.
MO11 wrote:plnguye1 wrote:Fingers crossed that we get a non-stop Asia flight this year or next with all the tech companies moving here.
Pretty sure the SR30 freeway will be completed before we see any service to Asia.
MO11 wrote:Pretty sure the SR30 freeway will be completed before we see any service to Asia.
MrPeanut wrote:MO11 wrote:Pretty sure the SR30 freeway will be completed before we see any service to Asia.
It will happen sooner than you think.
Taiwan Semiconductor (TSMC) is building their $12 billion chip manufacturing facility in Phoenix. It will be their largest facility outside of Asia. This comes on the heels of Intel investing $20 billion on two expansion projects.
When completed, the metro Phoenix area will be home to Intel’s largest chip manufacturing center in the world as well as TSMC largest facility outside Asia. For those who are not familiar with TSMC, it has a market cap 3X the size of Intel.
It’s pretty much a lock Phoenix will have direct Asia service once both facilities are completed.