whatusaid wrote:

laca773 wrote:

Basically, the top 10 dashboard involves available seats. Who has the highest LFs? How is AM, Volaris doing with their red eyes?

UA and AA mainline were each 94% in March. WN 77%. AS mainline 76%. G4 62%.

Haven’t reviewed Y4 and AM, but they are very strong.

I feel like mainline to DEN on UA is definitely going to be sticking around year-round now. It clearly competes well against WN and even AA pax trying to go east.

Wneast wrote:

Hopefully FAT does finally get PHX and more frequency on Thursday from WN they said staffing would be In order by years end.

Once the staffing issues are resolved( year end.?), I would think DEN is a more likely choice with the new gates coming on. Much easier to expand without cutting a flight or two from somewhere else at PHX. Additionally, an additional flight to DEN makes it easier to cope with wintertime weather irrops. Just my sense, but UA seems easier to compete against at DEN than AA would be at PHX. AA could add back a mainline 319 or 320 easier as it ties up the aircraft a shorter amount of time than a round trip from DEN. Now if UA ever were to ditch a few CRJ to SFO and run a DEN-FAT-SFO ( and reverse) once or twice a day that changes things a tad. Certainly more interesting.

Just my 2cents of thoughts!

Tan Flyr wrote:

Once the staffing issues are resolved( year end.?), I would think DEN is a more likely choice with the new gates coming on. Much easier to expand without cutting a flight or two from somewhere else at PHX.

WN is opening 8 new gates at PHX on June 20. Both DEN and PHX will have space for more flights.

FATFlyer wrote:

Tan Flyr wrote:

Once the staffing issues are resolved( year end.?), I would think DEN is a more likely choice with the new gates coming on. Much easier to expand without cutting a flight or two from somewhere else at PHX.

WN is opening 8 new gates at PHX on June 20. Both DEN and PHX will have space for more flights.

That’s where I think that potentially both routes could be added. I could see them maybe cut a LAS flight for a PHX flight and add a DEN flight. I personally think that operating 2-3X LAS, 2X DEN, and 1X PHX (morning) would be the most successful in terms of what that offers for connections.

Unfortunately PHX is not on this schedule.

WN732 wrote:

Unfortunately PHX is not on this schedule.

Seems to be more of a simple extension and not an upgrade with new routes anywhere? Checking EUG (the strongest new station out West), nothing there. Nothing in SBA. I'd read that DEN was to get an additional 27 flights by November - where?

whatusaid wrote:

WN732 wrote:

Unfortunately PHX is not on this schedule.

Seems to be more of a simple extension and not an upgrade with new routes anywhere? Checking EUG (the strongest new station out West), nothing there. Nothing in SBA. I'd read that DEN was to get an additional 27 flights by November - where?

Apparently there is another extension a month but idk seriously don’t know why you don’t have PHX by now.

Wneast wrote:

whatusaid wrote:

WN732 wrote:

Unfortunately PHX is not on this schedule.

Seems to be more of a simple extension and not an upgrade with new routes anywhere? Checking EUG (the strongest new station out West), nothing there. Nothing in SBA. I'd read that DEN was to get an additional 27 flights by November - where?

Apparently there is another extension a month but idk seriously don’t know why you don’t have PHX by now.

We don’t have PHX right now because WN is choosing to sell mainly seats to LAS rather than multiple destinations that offer more connections. We need to be able to fill the seats before we get anything new, but I feel like removing a daily LAS flight is the best thing we can do unless G4 continues to downsize at FAT before we add PHX.

Volaris is ending MEX in August. Word is they are cutting SJC and ONT as well from MEX.

whatusaid wrote:

Volaris is ending MEX in August. Word is they are cutting SJC and ONT as well from MEX.

That's a huge bummer...I thought it would stick this time. While there's not necessarily a huge amount of VFR on that route compared to the other Mexico destination, it appeared that Y4 was making it work. Maybe we will see it return with the new customs building?

flyfresno wrote:

whatusaid wrote:

Volaris is ending MEX in August. Word is they are cutting SJC and ONT as well from MEX.

That's a huge bummer...I thought it would stick this time. While there's not necessarily a huge amount of VFR on that route compared to the other Mexico destination, it appeared that Y4 was making it work. Maybe we will see it return with the new customs building?

Y4's move looks to be related to their overall cutback at MEX, given the government pressure to move ops to the new airport in Mexico City.

whatusaid wrote:

flyfresno wrote:

whatusaid wrote:

Volaris is ending MEX in August. Word is they are cutting SJC and ONT as well from MEX.

That's a huge bummer...I thought it would stick this time. While there's not necessarily a huge amount of VFR on that route compared to the other Mexico destination, it appeared that Y4 was making it work. Maybe we will see it return with the new customs building?

Y4's move looks to be related to their overall cutback at MEX, given the government pressure to move ops to the new airport in Mexico City.

Maybe they’re “cutting” Mexico City and moving it to the new airport. Mexico is really emphasizing moving all ops out to the new airport, so I could see them add the new airport to replace the old flight into MEX maybe.

FAT released April numbers. Huge. 180,000 passing through. Would appear 2.2 million is possible for the fiscal year, ending in June.

https://flyfresno.com/wp-content/upload ... l-2022.pdf

whatusaid wrote:

FAT released April numbers. Huge. 180,000 passing through. Would appear 2.2 million is possible for the fiscal year, ending in June.

https://flyfresno.com/wp-content/upload ... l-2022.pdf

Enplanements:
April 2019: 71,092 domestic, 9,901 int'l, 80,993 total
April 2022: 79,031 domestic, 12,443 int'l, 91,474 total

Calendar year to date, FAT is at 312,687 total enplanements, in 2019 it was at 286,390 through April. That's a rise of 9.1%. If that trend holds (extrapolating, I know), that's 2.14 million passengers by year-end. Of course, things are pretty hot this summer (and not just the temperatures - air travel too), and while demand was lower at the start of the year, the actual number could be much higher...

Just had a chance to watch the FAT/FCH budget presentation to the council by the new airports director. It's maybe a tad dry (what budget presentation isn't through?), but there's some great info in it too. This is also the first time I've seen the new director speak, seems like he's hit the ground running and is already doing a phenomenal job! Presentation starts around the 17-minute mark and goes for ~50 minutes.

Some highlights (my notes in parentheses):

-2022 will be a record year, well above 2 million pax.
-2023 will be even higher.
Terminal construction should begin in August and take 24-36 months (it sounds like a refined "ribbon cutting" estimate is coming towards the end of the year).
-POE status will be a multi-year endeavor. FAT currently shares POE with SFO, the director does not believe there is enough int'l traffic yet, but growth helps (surprising, because SMF has had POE since 2006, with only slightly more int'l).
-There should be multi-language signage coming.
-There will be a mural on the garage.

https://youtu.be/I4IMdOUP3To

AA updated October schedules, with 3-4X DFW all on 738s and 4X PHX with 2 CRJs, an A319, and an A320. The noon DFW flight is moved to 10:45am. All other flights remain relatively the same.

UA also updated October, with both mainline flights sticking on DEN, one of them upgraded to an A320. ORD also sticks with a 7am departure on a 737-700. SFO and LAX remain about the same as well. AA and UA are still looking to compete heavily going into the fall.

On another note, it looks like AS is going to be operating a single 739 at 2:25pm and no other flights to SEA in October. The schedule could still be updated between now and then, but that is quite odd.

There will be a workshop about FAT's future plans at the city council meeting on July 21.

Highlights:
1. Construction will start on the terminal and ramp expansion in August, opening in late 2024.
2. Expecting 18% growth through 2030.
3. 29R/11L will be reconstructed around 2025. I wonder if it will be lengthened and whether there will be a precision approach (ILS and/or GLS) added to 11L?
4. The tower will be replaced in 2024. Will the airport finally get CPDLC and D-ATIS?
5. There's some forward looking projects with no dates listed, including baggage claim, ticketing, garage, and (additional) terminal expansion.

Will be interesting to watch the presentation. Powerpoint link: https://fresno.legistar.com/View.ashx?M ... FB39AFF605

I’ve not had the opportunity to crunch all of the April numbers that were posted yesterday…but AA posted a 95% LF, UA 92%, WN 87%, AS mainline 83%. Impressive numbers. AHA! was beyond pathetic. G4 continues to struggle (in comparative terms to pre WN era.)

flyfresno wrote:

There will be a workshop about FAT's future plans at the city council meeting on July 21.

Highlights:
1. Construction will start on the terminal and ramp expansion in August, opening in late 2024.
2. Expecting 18% growth through 2030.
3. 29R/11L will be reconstructed around 2025. I wonder if it will be lengthened and whether there will be a precision approach (ILS and/or GLS) added to 11L?
4. The tower will be replaced in 2024. Will the airport finally get CPDLC and D-ATIS?
5. There's some forward looking projects with no dates listed, including baggage claim, ticketing, garage, and (additional) terminal expansion.

Will be interesting to watch the presentation. Powerpoint link: https://fresno.legistar.com/View.ashx?M ... FB39AFF605

The enplanement chart in that presentation looks like a flat growth forecast the next two years then larger growth in the following years, 2025 to 2030. Probably a combination of economic concerns the next two years plus possibly space constraints until the concourse expansion opens.

My guess is the forecast for the next 8 years will prove to be too conservative.

LAX is being cut on AS. This is probably in reaction to the transportation labor laws enacted by the state. AS is going to cut back at LAX quite a bit I bet.

FlyLEN2019 wrote:

LAX is being cut on AS. This is probably in reaction to the transportation labor laws enacted by the state. AS is going to cut back at LAX quite a bit I bet.

LAX-close intrastate seems to be a victim of the pilot shortage. Look at SAN, which once had a few dozen flights per day to LAX on various airlines; the route will have just two flights per day soon. Perhaps DL will try again with the new terminal opening?

FlyLEN2019 wrote:

LAX is being cut on AS. This is probably in reaction to the transportation labor laws enacted by the state. AS is going to cut back at LAX quite a bit I bet.

Possibly connected to the accelerated Q400 retirements by early 2023 temporarily shrinking the QX fleet and the pilot shortages and retrainings.

During the conference call this week they touched on having a larger number of routes suspended until spring. They also mentioned they were still examining the impact of the duty time situation so that sounded to me that any impact may not be in the schedules yet.

FATFlyer wrote:

FlyLEN2019 wrote:

LAX is being cut on AS. This is probably in reaction to the transportation labor laws enacted by the state. AS is going to cut back at LAX quite a bit I bet.

Possibly connected to the accelerated Q400 retirements by early 2023 temporarily shrinking the QX fleet and the pilot shortages and retrainings.

During the conference call this week they touched on having a larger number of routes suspended until spring. They also mentioned they were still examining the impact of the duty time situation so that sounded to me that any impact may not be in the schedules yet.

Hopefully this is the case (LAX is bookable again in April). There's not a ton of OneWorld int'l that's unique to LAX and not SEA (even FinAir is in SEA now), but QF is a big one. No one wants to double connect or go through DFW to get to Australia...

flyfresno wrote:

FATFlyer wrote:

FlyLEN2019 wrote:

LAX is being cut on AS. This is probably in reaction to the transportation labor laws enacted by the state. AS is going to cut back at LAX quite a bit I bet.

Possibly connected to the accelerated Q400 retirements by early 2023 temporarily shrinking the QX fleet and the pilot shortages and retrainings.

During the conference call this week they touched on having a larger number of routes suspended until spring. They also mentioned they were still examining the impact of the duty time situation so that sounded to me that any impact may not be in the schedules yet.

Hopefully this is the case (LAX is bookable again in April). There's not a ton of OneWorld int'l that's unique to LAX and not SEA (even FinAir is in SEA now), but QF is a big one. No one wants to double connect or go through DFW to get to Australia...

This is also what I was thinking. I’ve heard rumors of QF showing interest in adding SEA so if that happens, that could alleviate the need to have flights to LAX on OneWorld. I honestly like the connections up at SEA better for Europe/Asia travel better than at LAX. But, if that doesn’t happen and LAX is cut altogether, it’s going to be hard to get to Australia from FAT.

With the B6/NK merger an almost certainty, could we finally see FAT in their network? I know FAT-LAS is getting crowded, but since it will likely remain a hub, that seems like the most likely route.

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flyfresno wrote:

With the B6/NK merger an almost certainty, could we finally see FAT in their network? I know FAT-LAS is getting crowded, but since it will likely remain a hub, that seems like the most likely route.

I could see it, I think this merger is going to help them reach a lot of new markets they couldn’t reach before. I think it can work if it’s going to remain a hub for connections on B6 throughout their network. However, G4 at FAT will suffer as a result of this merger. Wouldn’t be surprised if they drop FAT if B6 enters the market.

May AND June stats are posted!

May 2022 beat May 2019:

Enplaned 2019: 75,455 Dom 10,487 Int'l 85,942 Total
Enplaned 2022: 81,166 Dom 13,459 Int'l 94,625 Total

Overall, May 2022 beat May 2019 by ~10%

https://flyfresno.com/wp-content/upload ... y-2022.pdf

June 2022 also beat June 2019, but did NOT beat June 2021 (except Int'l):

Enplaned 2019: 77,582 Dom 12,891 Int'l 90,473 Total
Enplaned 2021: 95,485 Dom 11,738 Int'l 107,223 Total
Enplaned 2022: 91,942 Dom 14,861 Int'l 106,803 Total

Still up ~18% over 2019, but down 0.4% overall and 4% domestic vs 2020. Deplaned is even further off, down 4% overall.

https://flyfresno.com/wp-content/upload ... e-2022.pdf

YTD through June, FAT is more than 50,000 pax enplaned above 2019 levels, or about 270 more enplanements per day.

So with them already looking at more gates added onto the planned expansion, how many more gates do you think they'll add after the initial 2? How long would those additional gates handle capacity before a while new concourse is needed? Also will the new tower be at the site of the current one or close by? Or will they put it in an entirely new spot?

AirBrian wrote:

So with them already looking at more gates added onto the planned expansion, how many more gates do you think they'll add after the initial 2? How long would those additional gates handle capacity before a while new concourse is needed? Also will the new tower be at the site of the current one or close by? Or will they put it in an entirely new spot?

There are no immediate plans to add more gates, they are simply planning for them. They can definitely add one more gate next to the two new ones with only a small amount of disruption. The next question will be what happens with the "spine" of the main concourse, which got a cosmetic facelift about 20 years ago but is otherwise 50+ years old. I believe that section could eventually handle 4-5 jetways.

flyfresno wrote:

AirBrian wrote:

So with them already looking at more gates added onto the planned expansion, how many more gates do you think they'll add after the initial 2? How long would those additional gates handle capacity before a while new concourse is needed? Also will the new tower be at the site of the current one or close by? Or will they put it in an entirely new spot?

There are no immediate plans to add more gates, they are simply planning for them. They can definitely add one more gate next to the two new ones with only a small amount of disruption. The next question will be what happens with the "spine" of the main concourse, which got a cosmetic facelift about 20 years ago but is otherwise 50+ years old. I believe that section could eventually handle 4-5 jetways.

I think MEM actually did something similar to what we’re thinking FAT could do, where they added a second floor on top of the existing spine and built jetways front there. I think they could build the second floor and keep the existing spine operating as normal if they go on that route. Or, they could completely shut that part of the airport down to flights and use a bus and take pax to theRJ flights which would operate off to the side.

FlyLEN2019 wrote:

flyfresno wrote:

AirBrian wrote:

So with them already looking at more gates added onto the planned expansion, how many more gates do you think they'll add after the initial 2? How long would those additional gates handle capacity before a while new concourse is needed? Also will the new tower be at the site of the current one or close by? Or will they put it in an entirely new spot?

There are no immediate plans to add more gates, they are simply planning for them. They can definitely add one more gate next to the two new ones with only a small amount of disruption. The next question will be what happens with the "spine" of the main concourse, which got a cosmetic facelift about 20 years ago but is otherwise 50+ years old. I believe that section could eventually handle 4-5 jetways.

I think MEM actually did something similar to what we’re thinking FAT could do, where they added a second floor on top of the existing spine and built jetways front there. I think they could build the second floor and keep the existing spine operating as normal if they go on that route. Or, they could completely shut that part of the airport down to flights and use a bus and take pax to theRJ flights which would operate off to the side.

I had a discussion several decades ago with a former city airport department employee about the concourse. The thoughts among staff back then was to build the steel frame of a replacement two story concourse building around and above the existing spine. The existing spine under that plan would be demolished after the 2nd floor was completed then a new first floor constructed within the new steel frame.

But I don't know current thoughts about replacing the airport spine.

FAT has felt some of UA's fall cuts (https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news ... rport.html) as ORD ends after Labour Day (it resumes for a bit around the holidays) and the afternoon DEN goes to an RJ in November.

As noted in the media, the Air National Guard is currently in the environmental impact study comment period about basing either F-35As or F-15EXs at FAT as replacements for the 144ths current aircraft. Retaining the current F-15s is also an option.

New facilities are needed no matter which option is chosen. The ANG has posted diagrams showing the locations of proposed new construction/modifications.

If the current aircraft are retained, there is minimal new facilities needed within the current ANG base footprint along Clinton Ave. and the munitions storage area on the northwest end of the airport.

But if the 144th FW is selected for F-35As or F-15EXs, there is a large amount of new construction needed. Some is within the current base/munition area footprints.

But it also includes new facilities built on the old Marine Reserve facility and on part of Airways Golf Course.

Diagrams of the proposed facilities:
http://www.angf15ex-f35a-eis.com/proposed-action/proposed-construction-and-modifications/fresno-ang-base/

An alternative being studied is for the ANG to base the F-35As or F-15EXs at NAS Lemoore instead of FAT. But looking at the diagrams for the NAS base that seems to be a very rough alternative, the diagrams show fewer details. It may be a very low option.
http://www.angf15ex-f35a-eis.com/proposed-action/proposed-construction-and-modifications/nas-lemoore/

flyfresno wrote:

FAT has felt some of UA's fall cuts (https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news ... rport.html) as ORD ends after Labour Day (it resumes for a bit around the holidays) and the afternoon DEN goes to an RJ in November.

I wonder if we’ll see something similar as to when UA extended ORD year-round before COVID. I feel like it could be a good flight to offer for the connections, mainly for business. I’d prefer a morning departure though because European connections could be made way shorter.

T100's for May were released today. Southwest had a big month - their best ever and overtook UA to DEN in total pax and LF. WN recorded a 95% LF to DEN with 5032 pax, whereas United (and OO) logged 91%. WN to LAS filled 10865 of 12727 seats, an 85% LF, the best yet. Not sure how they build on a 95% LF to DEN, when most of the flights are already on a 738 or a MAX. That 2nd Saturday flight that had been scheduled (and later pulled) for this summer would have worked. Instead, more LAS....

The dog of the month - Express Jet (again). Best month to date with 193/450 seats filled. How deep are their pockets? Only GEG and PSP break 50%....

whatusaid wrote:

T100's for May were released today. Southwest had a big month - their best ever and overtook UA to DEN in total pax and LF. WN recorded a 95% LF to DEN with 5032 pax, whereas United (and OO) logged 91%. WN to LAS filled 10865 of 12727 seats, an 85% LF, the best yet. Not sure how they build on a 95% LF to DEN, when most of the flights are already on a 738 or a MAX. That 2nd Saturday flight that had been scheduled (and later pulled) for this summer would have worked. Instead, more LAS....

The dog of the month - Express Jet (again). Best month to date with 193/450 seats filled. How deep are their pockets? Only GEG and PSP break 50%....

Some interesting observations from the BTS dashboard (based on the T-100s):

- Vegas continued to grow its lead as the #1 destination.
- Allegiant did not really lose any market share by percentage.
- Southwest grew its market share by percentage.
- SLC grew its lead over SEA as the #4 destination (last summer saw up to 5X ERJ per day, but it's been mostly 3X ERJ per day since then through May, while SEA has seen a lot of mainline).

Also, clearly, the answer to DEN is another flight

flyfresno wrote:

whatusaid wrote:

T100's for May were released today. Southwest had a big month - their best ever and overtook UA to DEN in total pax and LF. WN recorded a 95% LF to DEN with 5032 pax, whereas United (and OO) logged 91%. WN to LAS filled 10865 of 12727 seats, an 85% LF, the best yet. Not sure how they build on a 95% LF to DEN, when most of the flights are already on a 738 or a MAX. That 2nd Saturday flight that had been scheduled (and later pulled) for this summer would have worked. Instead, more LAS....

The dog of the month - Express Jet (again). Best month to date with 193/450 seats filled. How deep are their pockets? Only GEG and PSP break 50%....

Some interesting observations from the BTS dashboard (based on the T-100s):

- Vegas continued to grow its lead as the #1 destination.
- Allegiant did not really lose any market share by percentage.
- Southwest grew its market share by percentage.
- SLC grew its lead over SEA as the #4 destination (last summer saw up to 5X ERJ per day, but it's been mostly 3X ERJ per day since then through May, while SEA has seen a lot of mainline).

Also, clearly, the answer to DEN is another flight

Once staffing issues stop plaguing the industry, FAT should see an explosive amount of growth I’d hope. It sure would make tickets cheaper too. WN is the airline to watch next year, I bet we see them start overnighting a 2nd 737 so we see a morning departure to DEN. And of course there always the potential of another destination on them. Should be fun to watch!

Massive cuts from AS in January...hopefully not the final schedule. Mainline is gone. Some days only have two total flights per day, one to SEA and one to SAN. PDX is only 4X per week, and the second SEA and SAN flights only operate some days. Wowza...

flyfresno wrote:

Massive cuts from AS in January...hopefully not the final schedule. Mainline is gone. Some days only have two total flights per day, one to SEA and one to SAN. PDX is only 4X per week, and the second SEA and SAN flights only operate some days. Wowza...

AS is betting the house that they can build back after gutting markets as they wind down the Q’s and 320’s. They may be able to do so in FAT given the lack of competition to SEA, PDX, and SAN. Great opportunity for WN to start SAN, but they won’t. If they did, would AS blink? I wonder how many SEA bound will try WN at $59 in January? That connection in LAS isn’t looking bad at that fare.

Sad times for AS. A list status at WN is looking better everyday.

whatusaid wrote:

flyfresno wrote:

Massive cuts from AS in January...hopefully not the final schedule. Mainline is gone. Some days only have two total flights per day, one to SEA and one to SAN. PDX is only 4X per week, and the second SEA and SAN flights only operate some days. Wowza...

AS is betting the house that they can build back after gutting markets as they wind down the Q’s and 320’s. They may be able to do so in FAT given the lack of competition to SEA, PDX, and SAN. Great opportunity for WN to start SAN, but they won’t. If they did, would AS blink? I wonder how many SEA bound will try WN at $59 in January? That connection in LAS isn’t looking bad at that fare.

Sad times for AS. A list status at WN is looking better everyday.

Every major airline is chopping their schedule for, what is always, a slow travel period. AS isn’t alone in this.

whatusaid wrote:

flyfresno wrote:

Massive cuts from AS in January...hopefully not the final schedule. Mainline is gone. Some days only have two total flights per day, one to SEA and one to SAN. PDX is only 4X per week, and the second SEA and SAN flights only operate some days. Wowza...

AS is betting the house that they can build back after gutting markets as they wind down the Q’s and 320’s. They may be able to do so in FAT given the lack of competition to SEA, PDX, and SAN. Great opportunity for WN to start SAN, but they won’t. If they did, would AS blink? I wonder how many SEA bound will try WN at $59 in January? That connection in LAS isn’t looking bad at that fare.

Sad times for AS. A list status at WN is looking better everyday.

There's an Air Line that could step onto SEA too...

ASFlyer wrote:

whatusaid wrote:

flyfresno wrote:

Massive cuts from AS in January...hopefully not the final schedule. Mainline is gone. Some days only have two total flights per day, one to SEA and one to SAN. PDX is only 4X per week, and the second SEA and SAN flights only operate some days. Wowza...

AS is betting the house that they can build back after gutting markets as they wind down the Q’s and 320’s. They may be able to do so in FAT given the lack of competition to SEA, PDX, and SAN. Great opportunity for WN to start SAN, but they won’t. If they did, would AS blink? I wonder how many SEA bound will try WN at $59 in January? That connection in LAS isn’t looking bad at that fare.

Sad times for AS. A list status at WN is looking better everyday.

Every major airline is chopping their schedule for, what is always, a slow travel period. AS isn’t alone in this.

I'm not sure if AS has ever had just two flights per day from FAT...they started with three, and maybe 15 years ago they had only 2 on Saturdays, but this is far more than a seasonal cut.

ASFlyer wrote:

Every major airline is chopping their schedule for, what is always, a slow travel period. AS isn’t alone in this.

Except for Fresno this is larger than the pre-COVID seasonal cuts we have seen in the past.

Additionally FAT reported about 18% higher passenger counts for FY 2021/22 vs. pre-COVID FY 2018/19.

AS is not alone in making seasonal cuts. But this is much larger cuts than historically seen at FAT while the airport is seeing record growth.

It appears to be more than just a normal seasonal adjustment for a slow travel period.

FATFlyer wrote:

ASFlyer wrote:

Every major airline is chopping their schedule for, what is always, a slow travel period. AS isn’t alone in this.

Except for Fresno this is larger than the pre-COVID seasonal cuts we have seen in the past.

Additionally FAT reported about 18% higher passenger counts for FY 2021/22 vs. pre-COVID FY 2018/19.

AS is not alone in making seasonal cuts. But this is much larger cuts than historically seen at FAT while the airport is seeing record growth.

It appears to be more than just a normal seasonal adjustment for a slow travel period.

I feel confident that you’ll see mainline come back and some of the other cuts restored probably mid-Feb.

flyfresno wrote:

;)

whatusaid wrote:

flyfresno wrote:

Massive cuts from AS in January...hopefully not the final schedule. Mainline is gone. Some days only have two total flights per day, one to SEA and one to SAN. PDX is only 4X per week, and the second SEA and SAN flights only operate some days. Wowza...

AS is betting the house that they can build back after gutting markets as they wind down the Q’s and 320’s. They may be able to do so in FAT given the lack of competition to SEA, PDX, and SAN. Great opportunity for WN to start SAN, but they won’t. If they did, would AS blink? I wonder how many SEA bound will try WN at $59 in January? That connection in LAS isn’t looking bad at that fare.

Sad times for AS. A list status at WN is looking better everyday.

There's an Air Line that could step onto SEA too...

I don’t know that we’ll even see that added, with them probably wanting more capacity to go to SLC for connections rather than SEA. Maybe once Asia demand comes back we see SEA on DL.

On another note, WN should add SAN, it would be a good add. 1X would be enough in my opinion. It’s already more seats than what AS would offer…

AHA’s website has shut down and it’s not possible to boom any future flights. The dog of FAT is gone now it looks like.

When did WN move to 16? Flew out on the 2pm to LAS today and was caught off guard. AA now at 12 and 14, with all AS 175’s at 8.

Did the jetway at 17 crash?

WN moved to gate 16 about a month ago. G4 and Y4 now use gate 17.

I heard UA is also currently using gate 17 for some flights such as ORD and DEN.

I wonder if the gate changes are due to the ramp construction project. If I remember the diagrams correctly, rebuilding the ramp for the new concourse was going to extend out to or close to the Gate 5 parking spot. The airport may have temporarily shifted some flights to minimize conflicts.