yyztpa2 wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/16/business/ryanair-ceo-boeing-attack/index.html

O'Leary calls out Boeing executives

O'Leary is having a meltdown, in other news water is wet

You think he would lurn after Airbus allegedly told him to pond sand.

Frankfurt Hahn has found a new owner.
It was operating from month to month with service only in the morning hours.
Hopefully, this allows Ryanair and a few other airlines the opportunity to build out their service for Winter 2022 onward because the timings at present are pretty terrible.
Twitter announcement here:
https://twitter.com/hahnairport/status/1542446490647420928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Ahahnairport%7Ctwgr%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%3D%3D%7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hahn-airport.de%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fmenu%3Dpress%26cc%3Dde

According to the Belfast telegraph Ryanair will be making an announcement tomorrow morning - it’s anticipated they will be relaunching a number of bucket and spade routs.

I also saw a cabin crew advert for BFS on their website this morning but I didn’t give it much thought!

What an astonishing URL, never seen one quite as long as that before.



quote="PhilipBass"]Frankfurt Hahn has found a new owner.
It was operating from month to month with service only in the morning hours.
Hopefully, this allows Ryanair and a few other airlines the opportunity to build out their service for Winter 2022 onward because the timings at present are pretty terrible.
Twitter announcement here:
https://twitter.com/hahnairport/status/1542446490647420928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Ahahnairport%7Ctwgr%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%3D%3D%7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hahn-airport.de%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fmenu%3Dpress%26cc%3Dde[/quote]

Reopening Belfast base confirmed.

2 aircraft, 12 new routes.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0 ... xt-summer/

Interesting to see domestic routes (there’s also a rumour they’re planning STN-EDI but I can’t recall the source). I wonder how much of this is an attempt to give easyJet a kicking.

It’s all about giving EasyJet a kicking . Wizz , FR and BA at Gatwick smell EasyJet blood and are going in for the kill

skipness1E wrote:

Galwayman wrote:

It’s all about giving EasyJet a kicking . Wizz , FR and BA at Gatwick smell EasyJet blood and are going in for the kill

The idea that BA Gatwick could kill easyJet is mad....

He means the combination of all three will give Easyjet a kicking.

What's the status of ryanair transferring more aircraft to the UK aoc ? Def hear more blue max callsigns about . Have heard a rumour they have a years grace to get all uk based aircraft on aoc in a year

f4f3a wrote:

What's the status of ryanair transferring more aircraft to the UK aoc ? Def hear more blue max callsigns about . Have heard a rumour they have a years grace to get all uk based aircraft on aoc in a year

I had no idea this was happening. Are we about to get a lot more FR G-registered aircraft?

European Commission said that France must recover €8.4 million in state aid received by Ryanair Holdings which was incompatible with EU regulations for operations at two Fench airports..

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/e ... nair-jet2/

mercure1 wrote:

European Commission said that France must recover €8.4 million in state aid received by Ryanair Holdings which was incompatible with EU regulations for operations at two Fench airports..

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/e ... nair-jet2/

So FR has to pay back €8.4 million. Oh boy... that will be fun to watch, I can't wait for FR's campaign to start.

Hungary fined Ryanair 300 million forint ($781,270) penalty for Ryanair’s decision to pass on the cost of a new government tax imposed in June on to passengers.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 022-08-08/

Seems rather stupid. Of course, a business will pass on cost to its customers.

Hungarian Govt was presumably annoyed that Ryanair explicitly blamed a Govt tax for the price rise instead of keeping quiet about who was causing the price rise

mercure1 wrote:

Hungary fined Ryanair 300 million forint ($781,270) penalty for Ryanair’s decision to pass on the cost of a new government tax imposed in June on to passengers.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 022-08-08/

Seems rather stupid. Of course, a business will pass on cost to its customers.

Most funny part of the article:

“Companies have so far proved reluctant to challenge the tax measure, but Ryanair's rival carrier Wizz Air (WIZZ.L) has said it will take a long time for the airline industry to return to revenue and profitability levels seen before the COVID-19 pandemic. It said the tax would hamper the recovery of the tourism sector.“

Of course they say that when Ryanair is already making a profit and Wizz air isn’t even close to.

Ryanair's Zagreb base to operate only on weekends. Rest of the days flights will operate with planes from outside the base. I suppose they didn't find enough crew?

https://simpleflying.com/ryanair-zagreb ... a320-base/

MOL is now saying that the era of 10 euro flights is over, although I’m seeing 15 euro flights this winter!
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62495846.amp

Gfgdfgv wrote:

MOL is now saying that the era of 10 euro flights is over, although I’m seeing 15 euro flights this winter!
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62495846.amp

I saw 5 euro flights MAD-BLL in the summer so not sure what he's trying to say!

lesfalls wrote:

Gfgdfgv wrote:

MOL is now saying that the era of 10 euro flights is over, although I’m seeing 15 euro flights this winter!
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62495846.amp

I saw 5 euro flights MAD-BLL in the summer so not sure what he's trying to say!

I agree. And MOL knows better than anyone that those fares were always marketing gimmicks, or loss leaders, meaning there were ever just a few seats on a given flight sold for 10 € (or £0.01 in the really good old days). Of course they will stay, so they can market flights for 10€.

I'd sure like to see Ryanair ink a massive deal for the 737-MAX10!

Ryanair to discontinue three destinations from ZAG this coming winter season and those are Malmo, Bratislava and Thessaloniki.
Flights have already been removed from the system.

According to the link below, Ryanair is terminating 8 destinations out of Budapest this coming winter season. It comes after the Hungarian government imposed a €10 and €25 tax for flights out of BUD. Routes that are being terminated from BUD are Bordeaux, Bournemouth, Cologne, Kaunas, Krakow, Lappeenranta, Riga and Turin.

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2022/08/ry ... ights.html

Blerg wrote:

According to the link below, Ryanair is terminating 8 destinations out of Budapest this coming winter season. It comes after the Hungarian government imposed a €10 and €25 tax for flights out of BUD. Routes that are being terminated from BUD are Bordeaux, Bournemouth, Cologne, Kaunas, Krakow, Lappeenranta, Riga and Turin.

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2022/08/ry ... ights.html

Orban's populism has its price. HU government is now trying to find another source of money to finance its populist adventures.

LUKAS10 wrote:

Blerg wrote:

According to the link below, Ryanair is terminating 8 destinations out of Budapest this coming winter season. It comes after the Hungarian government imposed a €10 and €25 tax for flights out of BUD. Routes that are being terminated from BUD are Bordeaux, Bournemouth, Cologne, Kaunas, Krakow, Lappeenranta, Riga and Turin.

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2022/08/ry ... ights.html

Orban's populism has its price. HU government is now trying to find another source of money to finance its populist adventures.

Well, his latest election victory may have been visible from the moon, but it won't be from a Ryanair aircraft, if things keep going like this.

MalevTU134 wrote:

LUKAS10 wrote:

Blerg wrote:

According to the link below, Ryanair is terminating 8 destinations out of Budapest this coming winter season. It comes after the Hungarian government imposed a €10 and €25 tax for flights out of BUD. Routes that are being terminated from BUD are Bordeaux, Bournemouth, Cologne, Kaunas, Krakow, Lappeenranta, Riga and Turin.

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2022/08/ry ... ights.html

Orban's populism has its price. HU government is now trying to find another source of money to finance its populist adventures.

Well, his latest election victory may have been visible from the moon, but it won't be from a Ryanair aircraft, if things keep going like this.

Unless this is a form of Wizz Air protectionism. They probably knew they were going to react like this and Wizz Air doesn't seem to care. Less competition from FR means better yields for struggling Wizz Air.

Additional cuts by FR in ZAG this winter season, these are the changes according to their booking engine.

HHN from 3 frequencies to just 1.
GOT from 3 frequencies to just 1.
FKB from 3 frequencies to just 1.

This is in addition to the three destinations they are suspending this winter season (SKG, MMX and BTS).

Blerg wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

LUKAS10 wrote:

Orban's populism has its price. HU government is now trying to find another source of money to finance its populist adventures.

Well, his latest election victory may have been visible from the moon, but it won't be from a Ryanair aircraft, if things keep going like this.

Unless this is a form of Wizz Air protectionism. They probably knew they were going to react like this and Wizz Air doesn't seem to care. Less competition from FR means better yields for struggling Wizz Air.

Doubtful. WizzAir aren't exactly this government's darlings. On how many of the routes cancelled is WizzAir competing head on with Ryanair?

MalevTU134 wrote:

Blerg wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

Well, his latest election victory may have been visible from the moon, but it won't be from a Ryanair aircraft, if things keep going like this.

Unless this is a form of Wizz Air protectionism. They probably knew they were going to react like this and Wizz Air doesn't seem to care. Less competition from FR means better yields for struggling Wizz Air.

Doubtful. WizzAir aren't exactly this government's darlings. On how many of the routes cancelled is WizzAir competing head on with Ryanair?

But they are still a Hungarian carrier and all ticket sales go to their bank accounts in Budapest. That's something every government in Hungary would profit from. Also, the government can't dictate what routes FR is removing but they can hope it would be more and more since Wizz Air could take them over.

The tax affects all carriers. WZZ as well. It's not targeted in any way to help Wizz or any other Hungarian institution. It just is to get additiona money to the budget, obviously from the customers, who will bare the cost, after all, not the carriers...

The carriers bear the cost as well as the passengers. If the cost of the ticket increases by the value of the tax, then less people will buy a ticket and airlines end up with more empty seats

stealth taxes on airfares will always be attractive to government as they are limited in what they can do with regard to old-fashioned direct and indirect taxes and putting up airfares doesn't leave a minister being accused of attacking the "most vulnerable in society" even though these taxes on flights are not progressive and hurt the coping classes more than the wealthy.

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I just looked at LH's BUD-MUC flight for November and taxes come out to be €41,75! That's a lot.

International/Domestic surcharge €9
Security Charge €5
Airport Departure tax €27.75

These charges are close to what VIE charges you for the same flight. Seems kinda pricey. Will be interesting to see if this impacts BUD's numbers in the coming months. No wonder FR is angry.

extending my analogy to cigarette and fuel taxes where demand is inelastic, the shop or in this case the airline is just the collector of taxes for Government and the Government is making more out of the service provided while doing SFA than the service provider who has to turn a profit to keep the lights on.

There is talk of a new base in Ljubljana, perhaps at the expense of Zagreb.

PhilipBass wrote:

There is talk of a new base in Ljubljana, perhaps at the expense of Zagreb.

I do not think they will walk away from ZAG but they might scale it back. I suppose they will keep two A320s and that will be it. Slovenia is a relatively small market with limited demand. They would be extremely limited over there.

Naturally it all depends what kind of a deal they get from Fraport. The only way they might go crazy in LJU is if charges are so low that they can get people heading to/from ZAG to fly from Slovenia.

Blerg wrote:

I do not think they will walk away from ZAG but they might scale it back.

There is talk elsewhere of quasi-bases where planes are overnighting at particular quieter airports for a few days a week.
I don't understand the mechanics of that. Places like Baden-Baden are supposedly served from other bases during the low days in the week.

PhilipBass wrote:

Blerg wrote:

I do not think they will walk away from ZAG but they might scale it back.

There is talk elsewhere of quasi-bases where planes are overnighting at particular quieter airports for a few days a week.
I don't understand the mechanics of that. Places like Baden-Baden are supposedly served from other bases during the low days in the week.

That could make sense especially since airports like LJU are dead at night since no airline is based there. I am sure airports would love to get some extra income at that time. LJU lost so much traffic after JP went bankrupt and it has not recovered since then.

For example, Friday is a busy day at LJU but in the period 17.00-23.59 there are just four departures: U2 to LGW, MNE to TGD, JU to BEG and BA to LHR.
Arrivals are a bit better as on top of these there is LH from FRA and AF from CDG that spend the night there.

I am sure LJU and Fraport would love if FR would shift some capacity from ZAG and if they would operate W flights from there.

In an interview O'Leary says economic recession in Europe would benefit Ryanair as passengers seek out more low-fare leading customers to Ryanair during an economic downturn.
He also does not see industry full recovery until 2025.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62728621
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-r ... -05kgctq3x

Separately, FR to close its Athens base during the winter season blaming "dysfunctional” price structure at FRAport-run airports
https://news.gtp.gr/2022/09/01/ryanair- ... or-winter/

Suspect these growth plans involve hand outs to a certain airline.

Considerable cuts by Ryanair in Budapest, let's see if Wizz Air or someone else will step in to fill the void.
In total 8 routes will be terminated and another 7 reduced.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220902-frnw22bud

FR doubling its fleet based at Stockholm Arlanda to 4 and adding 6 new routes - Birmingham. Malta, Pisa,Turin, Tuzla and Valencia.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... ew-routes/

I was just perusing FR24 and it struck me that Ryanair does not serve Tirana, and thought it was interesting as there is a large Albanian diaspora across Western Europe and in key Ryanair markets like the UK and Italy.

But then looking at Ryanair’s Wikipedia, I see they also don’t serve nearby North Macedonia or Kosovo either. Wizz seems to have a significant presence in all those markets instead, especially in TIA.

Does anyone know the reason? Is it just a matter of the airports charging higher fees than FR is willing to accept? Or some other reason to do with the markets? (But Ryanair can presumably make basically any market in Europe work…)

Wizz get significant subsidies from the Govt of North Macediniia to fly to/from Skopje. I doubt Ryanair would be intetested without getting the same subsidies

it is worth adding that Ryanair only has significant amounts of flights to 4 non-EU destinations, the United Kingdom, Morocco, Jordan and Isreal. 1 of those is very clearly one of their biggest markets (UK) with now even its own subsidiary (RUK) to serve other non-EU / Domestic operations. There are also a small number of flights to Turkey & Norway, however, all of these can be offset by relatively high fares and little to no LCC Competition.
The lack of Southern Balkans to me is a combination of the incumbent and well know LCC competition, as well as the fact that Ryanair is not very fond of serving VFR routes, preferring to focus on pure Tourism. One of the key ways Ryanair has succeeded is not by capturing demand but by creating it, only a very small amount of people would visit their family more often if they had direct flights (and FR can't really undercut wizz on pricing so that doesn't make a huge difference), however by offering holiday destinations at cheaper prices and with direct flights, they can convince travellers who would have never considered visiting a destination to travel there (i.e not capturing existing travel needs but creating new ones)
an example of this was a recent flight I took from Edinburgh to Gdansk in Poland. I was expecting the flight to be largely VFR traffic but was surprised that of the ca. 98% full cabin (on a Max8200) more than 2/3 were scots visiting Gdansk for a weekend getaway, a destination they would never have travelled to if Ryanair did not offer cheap and direct flights.

Ryanair couldn't care less who travels on the flight and for what purpose. It's a bizarre statement to say they do not wish to serve the VFR market. Ryanair served plenty of Poland-Ukraine routes prior to the invasion and that was purely VFR. Ryanair is an extremely successful business and it deploys its assets where the yields are the highest. It does not serve Tirana as the yields are low and the market is already dominated by a LCC.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/1 ... r-results/

Ryanair posts record profit for summer.

Deliveries from Boeing a bit behind schedule and might impact results going forward.
"However, Michael O'Leary warned that he was concerned that Boeing may deliver only 40 to 45 of a promised 51 737 MAX aircraft in time for next summer."

volumes up and fare prices up going forward.
"The combination of 15% traffic growth and a 14% fare rise was something he said he had never seen in all his years in the industry, Mr O'Leary said, referring to second-quarter numbers."

You can hear it from the horse's mouth at https://investor.ryanair.com/.

Going CAPs for this:
SCIMITARS WILL BE RETROFITTED ON 737 NG FLEET. 2m20s in to the video. 1.5% projected fuel save.

Ryanair give their view on Max10 certification about 10 minutes in to the Q&A which can be found at https://investor.ryanair.com/results-ce ... ults-fy23/

Of course they want one cockpit type and of course they want extension to give time for certification.

They talk about 737 delivery delays from 8 minutes in and not ordering more 737 but that is more a open message to Boeing loosing and delaying orders from other Customers like China. Jet2, Quantas, AF and KLM

I wonder if they’ll go for the max 9 if they know that the max10 won’t happen. They’d still fit about 220 seats in a max 9.