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Thai Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:46 pm

Welcome to the Thai Airways news and discussion thread for 2022. Please continue to post your comments below

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Re: Thai Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sat Jan 01, 2022 6:38 am

TG posted an update on the progress of the implementation of its business rehabilitation plan between September 15 and December 15th.

Some highlights:
○ Made about $36mil in debt payments
○ Completed sale of various land and buildings within Thailand
○ Completed sale of its share in Bangkok Aviation Fuel Services
○ Renegotiated leases on 12 aircraft. Negotiations on 45 aircraft continue

https://www.set.or.th/set/pdfnews.do?ne ... sequence=0
 
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Re: Thai Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:39 pm

Situation update

-All 4 GE CF6-80C2 and PW4158, also 4 of 5 CFM56-3C-1 Engines are now listed as "Sold" at thaiaircrafttrading.com
-"Royal First Class" is now removed from the seating section of their official site as both 747 and A380 are gone
https://www.thaiairways.com/en/during_y ... index.page?
Fleet size is also reduced to 38 aircraft (58 if WE's A320s are counted)
-No activities of their 747 and A300 yet despite those aircraft having been listed as sold for a while.
-We still didn't know which 77Es will be retired since they said they'll keep 4 out of 6. But as of current, HS-TJR/TJU are the only two that haven't been brought back into service yet.
-As you can see in this picture from a local spotter at BKK. A lot of TG aircraft are left in very poor paint condition, the purple shade looks so pale, especially the A380.
https://www.facebook.com/WingtipsTH/pho ... 011420677/
-At the time that I have been writing this. An A330 HS-TBF is heading to Tarbes, probably for lease return
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/tg8924
 
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Re: Thai Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:51 am

I recently flew into BKK and it was a sad sight seeing those TG aircraft parked up.
 
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Thai Smile - going? Staying?

Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:23 pm

I recall reading recently that TG had decided to wind up its subsidiary, Thai Smile (presumably to integrate it into the parent airline), but I see that there are still flights by the airline scheduled for later this year.

Is it still the intention to wind it up?

It seems an odd decision, because there are surely many routes (particularly now, as a result of the pandemic) which will take some time to return to viability and it would make more sense to try and operate these with a WE A320, rather than a Thai 787/350.
 
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Re: Thai Smile - going? Staying?

Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:59 pm

kaitak wrote:
I recall reading recently that TG had decided to wind up its subsidiary, Thai Smile (presumably to integrate it into the parent airline), but I see that there are still flights by the airline scheduled for later this year.

Is it still the intention to wind it up?

It seems an odd decision, because there are surely many routes (particularly now, as a result of the pandemic) which will take some time to return to viability and it would make more sense to try and operate these with a WE A320, rather than a Thai 787/350.


I recently looked at booking flights with TG between LHR and SGN, pre-pandemic you'd see A330s, 788s and 77Es between BKK and SGN, but when I looked it was a WE flight. This suggests it will be staying, but absorbing WE into TG a la CX/KA or SQ/MI probably isn't off the cards. In a competitive world with lower demand I wouldn't be surprised if TG restarts its own narrow-body operations in one way or another.
 
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Re: Thai Smile - going? Staying?

Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:06 pm

The plan to absorb Thai Smile back has been scrapped at least for now. A new board of directors which was appointed shortly after the airline filed for bankruptcy decided to keep it. They've even halted all of TG's domestic and some regional routes, handing them over to WE during the pandemic.

However, there is still pressure on the airline to dissolve WE, particularly from the TG labor union. They are unhappy and felt that the board is taking care of its subsidiary more than the parent company, which is facing far more employee layoffs, previllage cuts and also losing many routes to them despite both companies are in huge loss.
https://www.thansettakij.com/business/469689
 
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Re: Thai Smile - going? Staying?

Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:37 pm

Nimda wrote:
The plan to absorb Thai Smile back has been scrapped at least for now. A new board of directors which was appointed shortly after the airline filed for bankruptcy decided to keep it. They've even halted all of TG's domestic and some regional routes, handing them over to WE during the pandemic.

However, there is still pressure on the airline to dissolve WE, particularly from the TG labor union. They are unhappy and felt that the board is taking care of its subsidiary more than the parent company, which is facing far more employee layoffs, previllage cuts and also losing many routes to them despite both companies are in huge loss.
https://www.thansettakij.com/business/469689


Interesting- I can see the unions perspective, as it simply seems WE staff are more efficient/productive. But this is some of the structural challenges at TG that were in place even before covid.

WE would be better placed to operate all domestic, and potentially some Asian regional flight on a mix of 320/321 maybe even some relational 330s if they are left? and leave mid/long haul widebody flying to TG - potentially all operated under the TG brand. Just like CX and MI (although other aircraft than MI).

Is WE full low cost? Or Hybrid?
 
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Re: Thai Smile - going? Staying?

Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:36 am

smi0006 wrote:
Interesting- I can see the unions perspective, as it simply seems WE staff are more efficient/productive. But this is some of the structural challenges at TG that were in place even before covid.

WE would be better placed to operate all domestic, and potentially some Asian regional flight on a mix of 320/321 maybe even some relational 330s if they are left? and leave mid/long haul widebody flying to TG - potentially all operated under the TG brand. Just like CX and MI (although other aircraft than MI).

Is WE full low cost? Or Hybrid?

It's a hybrid. Their services are mostly on par to TG like reservable seat and 20kg checked baggage allowance without charging, except that you'll get LCC's seat pitch, a snack instead of full meal (in Y) and limited Star Alliance previllage.
 
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Re: Thai Smile - going? Staying?

Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:50 am

Nimda wrote:
The plan to absorb Thai Smile back has been scrapped at least for now. A new board of directors which was appointed shortly after the airline filed for bankruptcy decided to keep it. They've even halted all of TG's domestic and some regional routes, handing them over to WE during the pandemic.



This explains why the Star Gold logo has been removed from TG domestic lounges.
 
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Re: Thai Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:13 am

The Export-Import Bank of Thailand allocated 6.2 billion THB baht (US$187 million) in debt relief and credit lines to support 5 Thai airlines - Thai Airways, Thai Smile, Thai AirAsia, Thai VietJet Air, and Bangkok Airways.
The exact amount to TG was not disclosed, but based on carriers size should have received the largest portion of funds.

https://eturbonews.com/3014622/thai-air ... injection/
 
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Re: Thai Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:06 am

Nimda wrote:
Situation update

-All 4 GE CF6-80C2 and PW4158, also 4 of 5 CFM56-3C-1 Engines are now listed as "Sold" at thaiaircrafttrading.com
-"Royal First Class" is now removed from the seating section of their official site as both 747 and A380 are gone
https://www.thaiairways.com/en/during_y ... index.page?
Fleet size is also reduced to 38 aircraft (58 if WE's A320s are counted)
-No activities of their 747 and A300 yet despite those aircraft having been listed as sold for a while.
-We still didn't know which 77Es will be retired since they said they'll keep 4 out of 6. But as of current, HS-TJR/TJU are the only two that haven't been brought back into service yet.
-As you can see in this picture from a local spotter at BKK. A lot of TG aircraft are left in very poor paint condition, the purple shade looks so pale, especially the A380.
https://www.facebook.com/WingtipsTH/pho ... 011420677/
-At the time that I have been writing this. An A330 HS-TBF is heading to Tarbes, probably for lease return
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/tg8924


Pretty incredible they still hasn’t sold their A300s at this point! How long ago were they in scheduled service?

Hopefully Thai doesn’t waste this opportunity to streamline their fleet, and product. They have potential to be a solid well performing two class operator in the region- If they keep it simple, and have a clear strategy,
 
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Re: Thai Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:26 am

Estimated schedule for the delivery of three 777-300ER

HS-TTA "Alongkorn" - 3 February
HS-TTB "Theparat" - 4 February
HS-TTC "Simongkhon" - 17 February

All three inherited the name from early batch of their 747-400 which have been stored and parted out at Mojave.

https://www.facebook.com/outsidersaviat ... 2936902145

smi0006 wrote:
Pretty incredible they still hasn’t sold their A300s at this point! How long ago were they in scheduled service?

Hopefully Thai doesn’t waste this opportunity to streamline their fleet, and product. They have potential to be a solid well performing two class operator in the region- If they keep it simple, and have a clear strategy,

The one they just recently sold was retired in 2013, I'm also wondered how's the condition of this plane will be.

For being a two-class carrier, It is still unclear whether this situation will be a long-term plan or not. Since there's a rumour that those three 77Ws will come with F8C40Y255 config
 
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Re: Thai Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:07 pm

Gosh, that's about the same as BAs, but with no PE!! :o

I guess they haul a big amount of belly freight with that low pax count??
 
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Re: Thai Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:30 pm

Nimda wrote:
Estimated schedule for the delivery of three 777-300ER

HS-TTA "Alongkorn" - 3 February
HS-TTB "Theparat" - 4 February
HS-TTC "Simongkhon" - 17 February

All three inherited the name from early batch of their 747-400 which have been stored and parted out at Mojave.

https://www.facebook.com/outsidersaviat ... 2936902145

smi0006 wrote:
Pretty incredible they still hasn’t sold their A300s at this point! How long ago were they in scheduled service?

Hopefully Thai doesn’t waste this opportunity to streamline their fleet, and product. They have potential to be a solid well performing two class operator in the region- If they keep it simple, and have a clear strategy,

The one they just recently sold was retired in 2013, I'm also wondered how's the condition of this plane will be.

For being a two-class carrier, It is still unclear whether this situation will be a long-term plan or not. Since there's a rumour that those three 77Ws will come with F8C40Y255 config


Have there been any confirmations that they wanted to operate without First Class in the future after the retirement of the B744 and A380? Maybe it was just because no other equipment was equiped accordingly until now.
 
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Re: Thai Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:05 am

SQ22 wrote:
Nimda wrote:
Estimated schedule for the delivery of three 777-300ER

HS-TTA "Alongkorn" - 3 February
HS-TTB "Theparat" - 4 February
HS-TTC "Simongkhon" - 17 February

All three inherited the name from early batch of their 747-400 which have been stored and parted out at Mojave.

https://www.facebook.com/outsidersaviat ... 2936902145

smi0006 wrote:
Pretty incredible they still hasn’t sold their A300s at this point! How long ago were they in scheduled service?

Hopefully Thai doesn’t waste this opportunity to streamline their fleet, and product. They have potential to be a solid well performing two class operator in the region- If they keep it simple, and have a clear strategy,

The one they just recently sold was retired in 2013, I'm also wondered how's the condition of this plane will be.

For being a two-class carrier, It is still unclear whether this situation will be a long-term plan or not. Since there's a rumour that those three 77Ws will come with F8C40Y255 config


Have there been any confirmations that they wanted to operate without First Class in the future after the retirement of the B744 and A380? Maybe it was just because no other equipment was equiped accordingly until now.


This will be an interesting one to watch - Thai need to reinvent themselves, yet anyone who knows Thailand knows TG wont (be allowed to) give up their First Class easily.
 
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Re: Thai Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:31 am

Will Thai resume Saudi Arabia after a 30 years pause ? I recall they used to land in the old Dhahran Airport (now Dammam).
Saudia is resuming Bangkok from next May, 2022.
 
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Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:17 am

Anyone have an idea on which former Thai destinations are to be downgraded to smile? Seems like Colombo and Kathmandu are among them which is quite a shame considering we got daily 772.
 
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Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:04 am

AsoRock wrote:
Will Thai resume Saudi Arabia after a 30 years pause ? I recall they used to land in the old Dhahran Airport (now Dammam).
Saudia is resuming Bangkok from next May, 2022.


Difficult to tell. There is not much Thailand originated traffic. My guess is if TG starts to fly to Saudi again, it will be a triangle stopover routes like BKK-DXB-JED/RUH or BKK-BAH/MCT-DAMMAM.I just don't see TG do non-stop to Saudi until one year after Thailand fully open up to tourists. By then they should know the demands from Saudi Arabia and know how many flights weekly is useful.
 
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Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:01 pm

Thai Airways says it needs US$750 Million in funding to continue its restructuring plan. Its seeking loans and hopes to have something in place by late March.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2 ... hief-video

They also confirm planned fleet will be 54-58 frames made up of only 320-350-777-787 types.
 
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Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:46 pm

Did Thai already find someone who will buy their 744s and 333s in the meantime?
 
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Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:57 pm

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Did Thai already find someone who will buy their 744s and 333s in the meantime?


they say they have a buyer for the 744s. As for the 2 PW a330's, dunno I guess there trying to get DHL to buy it like some of their sister aircraft.
 
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Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:19 pm

Any chance of Thai starting Saudi routes?

3 a week Dammam on the 788 should be a go-er?

Regards

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Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:37 am

Any news about mothballed 787-9s yet?
 
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Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:13 pm

HUYfan wrote:
Any chance of Thai starting Saudi routes?

3 a week Dammam on the 788 should be a go-er?

Regards

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Pretty decent chance

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/22 ... -to-riyadh
 
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Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:08 pm

It seems TG with its A350/B777/B787 leet choice will still be heavily skewed towards longhaul markets and chasing tourists from places like Europe.

With the growing ASEAN market and China at its doorstep would have envisaged the airline would have been built around a strong core serving such markets first and foremost, with a more limited longhaul network focused solely on few key markets.
 
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Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:49 am

Nimda wrote:
Estimated schedule for the delivery of three 777-300ER

HS-TTA "Alongkorn" - 3 February
HS-TTB "Theparat" - 4 February
HS-TTC "Simongkhon" - 17 February

All three inherited the name from early batch of their 747-400 which have been stored and parted out at Mojave.

https://www.facebook.com/outsidersaviat ... 2936902145

smi0006 wrote:
Pretty incredible they still hasn’t sold their A300s at this point! How long ago were they in scheduled service?

Hopefully Thai doesn’t waste this opportunity to streamline their fleet, and product. They have potential to be a solid well performing two class operator in the region- If they keep it simple, and have a clear strategy,

The one they just recently sold was retired in 2013, I'm also wondered how's the condition of this plane will be.

For being a two-class carrier, It is still unclear whether this situation will be a long-term plan or not. Since there's a rumour that those three 77Ws will come with F8C40Y255 config


Apart from the 77W what else do they have on order?
 
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Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:04 pm

Thai auctioning off aircraft seats via Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/tgwarehousesale/

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Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:41 am

Update

1. For those who wondered why the delivery of three 77Ws still hasn't happened yet. The news source that posted the old schedule said it was postponed due to cabin rearrangement (still unclear whether the seating configuration will be changed or not)
https://www.facebook.com/outsidersaviat ... 2313427207

smi0006 wrote:
Apart from the 77W what else do they have on order?

Nope, only three 77Ws. There's a rumour about acquiring used or ntu 787s by lease (check out last year's discussion thread) but seems likely to be mothballed for now.

2. The official TG YouTube channel posted a PR video showing work from the Technical division, by assembling a GE CF6-80C2B1F engine from spare parts in a warehouse (with CAAT and FAA certification) and selling it to generate revenue for the airline. A little bit shocking for their management before getting bankrupt, holding so many parts that can build a complete engine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPflEfTegHg
https://www.facebook.com/THAICorpCom/po ... 1265597719
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:05 pm

mercure1 wrote:
It seems TG with its A350/B777/B787 leet choice will still be heavily skewed towards longhaul markets and chasing tourists from places like Europe.

With the growing ASEAN market and China at its doorstep would have envisaged the airline would have been built around a strong core serving such markets first and foremost, with a more limited longhaul network focused solely on few key markets.


Well, China is not opening up soon.

And ASEAN market is heavily dominated by LCC/ULCC carriers (Air Asia, Lion Air, Malindo, VietJet, Tiger aka Scoot, Jetstar, Cebu Pacific.. to name a few), some of which have a sizeable if not big hub operation in Thailand (Air Asia, Lion, Malindo, VietJet...), TG has no choice but trying to maintain some long haul presence where LCC/ULCC seems could not find a way in. Thai Smile was meant to compromise so that TG can have a lower operational cost to counter the LCC. But we all know it can not compete effectively.

At least TG knows it can not compete with LCC/ULCC in ASEAN routes. Can we imagine how much more money it would have lost if it was to compete with the likes of Air Asia or VietJet on price?
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2022 4:01 pm

Per investor update, TG sold spare engines for US $16.7mil, and sale of land and buildings at for site.
The company so far has reached an agreement with creditors on new lease or finance rates for 46 aircraft and continues to negotiate the future of 11 other aircraft.

http://orientaviation.com/articles/7629 ... ation-plan
 
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Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:46 pm

That auction for old seats brought in over 1 million baht (EUR 27m)

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/22 ... ts-for-b1m
 
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Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:59 pm

mercure1 wrote:
That auction for old seats brought in over 1 million baht (EUR 27m)

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/22 ... ts-for-b1m


I doubt the Thai Baht is stronger than the Euro...

1 million Baht ~ €27k, based on today's rates...
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:20 am

https://www.flightradar24.com/THA8927/2b654701
https://www.flightradar24.com/THA8928/2b653942

HS-TTA and HS-TTB are on ferry flight, currently heading to BKK
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2022 5:21 am

Is it common for TG or other airlines to play music during take off/landing? I just flew three sectors (intra Asia), and all flights did that.
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2022 5:37 am

Nimda wrote:
https://www.flightradar24.com/THA8927/2b654701
https://www.flightradar24.com/THA8928/2b653942

HS-TTA and HS-TTB are on ferry flight, currently heading to BKK


Are these frames the ones that will have the First Class along with HS-TTC?
https://onemileatatime.com/thai-airways-new-777/
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:47 am

JetAirways wrote:
Are these frames the ones that will have the First Class along with HS-TTC?
https://onemileatatime.com/thai-airways-new-777/

Yes, confirmed by the official TG cooperate communication page here
https://www.facebook.com/THAICorpCom/po ... 9845089861

Seating configuration is F8C40Y255 (the rumour is true). These three will be used on BKK-LHR route starting by the end of April, which means the delivery of HS-TTC is gonna happen within this month too.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:11 am

Anyone have some idea about Thai's regional routes status and their future? Many former Thai wide body routes seem to be transferred to Thai Smile such as Kathmandu which is really disappointing to see considering the very long history of Nepal and Thai Airways.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 8:33 am

Actual cabin interior from those 77W taken by TG pilot

The pilot also said TG will operate those aircraft to Tokyo in the future too.
https://www.facebook.com/piyapong.wongp ... 4294930674

Edit.. just notice that they're still maintaining 3-3-3 in Y for a brand new 777 considering many airlines had already switched to 3-4-3.
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Aseem747 wrote:
Anyone have some idea about Thai's regional routes status and their future? Many former Thai wide body routes seem to be transferred to Thai Smile such as Kathmandu which is really disappointing to see considering the very long history of Nepal and Thai Airways.

With the size of the current fleet, They're definitely can't bring back all of regional routes, might be 2 or 3 more only.

They have to seek more addition to their fleet first, which is quite difficult for airline that is still in bankruptcy court in my opinion.
 
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Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:48 am

I am wondering if there are plans to conwert some more 77W's into this configuration in order to have more aircraft equpped with F available to serve routes which have been served with F before. So besides LHR and NRT, destinations like SYD, CDG and FRA.
 
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Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:08 am

SQ22 wrote:
I am wondering if there are plans to conwert some more 77W's into this configuration in order to have more aircraft equpped with F available to serve routes which have been served with F before. So besides LHR and NRT, destinations like SYD, CDG and FRA.


That semi-orphaned subfleet of 3 aircraft is not only ineffective in terms of operational optimization but also overly optimistic in its premium-heavy layout. What is the rationale behind 8F on just three aircraft if even SQ, arguably and airline with significantly more premium demand than neighboring TG, goes with 4F on its B77W and 6F on its A388. For the sake of operational stability, TG would have been way better off to opt for a uniform configuration for its entire 16-strong B77W fleet and that uniform configuration should probably have included a 10-abreast economy. The 3 oddball B77W as well as the 2 oulier B789 will be putting a drag on utilization rates. TG will operate a fleet of just 43 aircraft with 6 different configurations.
 
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Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:24 am

HB-IWC wrote:
SQ22 wrote:
I am wondering if there are plans to conwert some more 77W's into this configuration in order to have more aircraft equpped with F available to serve routes which have been served with F before. So besides LHR and NRT, destinations like SYD, CDG and FRA.


That semi-orphaned subfleet of 3 aircraft is not only ineffective in terms of operational optimization but also overly optimistic in its premium-heavy layout. What is the rationale behind 8F on just three aircraft if even SQ, arguably and airline with significantly more premium demand than neighboring TG, goes with 4F on its B77W and 6F on its A388. For the sake of operational stability, TG would have been way better off to opt for a uniform configuration for its entire 16-strong B77W fleet and that uniform configuration should probably have included a 10-abreast economy. The 3 oddball B77W as well as the 2 oulier B789 will be putting a drag on utilization rates. TG will operate a fleet of just 43 aircraft with 6 different configurations.


TG can't do what you said by reducing F seats count. TG needs to maintain F capacity to the foreigner's residence in Bavaria. I can't tell you who this foreigner is but he is universally known. His many wives, girlfriends and the world's first General poodle (or chihuahua I don't know the breed exactly) needs the F for occasionally visit too. Besides that, TG also needs this F class and it's number of seats to please high up military personnel and their... Errrr you know who. Thailand Air Force generals are high up on the list of complimentary upgrades since most TG management and pilots are connected to Air Force one way or another. With its enlarged list of VIPs, VVIPs and VVVIPs, you should be surprised that not all TG's B77W has first class.

If common sense logic and the principle of commercial interests first is prevailing within TG management, TG would not be a basket case as of now, and more likely, TG would have disappeared decades ago. It is a blessing that TG's way of business kept it afloat, it is also a curse for TG that it can never be an independent free spirit enterprise.
 
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Re: Thai Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:19 am

As I remember, these 3 77Ws were intend to be a replacement for 3 744s those would be retired in 2020-2021 and they were probably planned to order more before phasing out other 744s by 2024. Unfortunately COVID ruined everything, resulting in this inefficient configurations.

Haven't heard about plan to convert existing 77W but at least I think there's more posibility than removing F given chonetsao's reason.

You guys might find 6 config for 43 aircraft is ridiculous but it's actually a little bit improvement compared to 13 config for 83 aircraft at pre-pandemic situation, can't even understand why they came up with 3 config for just 15 A333s until today.
 
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Re: Thai Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue May 03, 2022 2:07 pm

Saudi Arabia route to Jeddah (JED) will be started on June 1st with flight number TG503/504, 4 flights/week, operated by 777-200ER (the internal doc' said 777-200 but it was probably a typo since the seating config is the ER's one)
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=543137487194451

HS-TBD and HS-TBE flew to HKG for lease return. As of current, There are five A330s that were already left the fleet (the first three are TBC, TBF and TBG)
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HSTBD
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HSTBE

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