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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:06 am

LAXintl wrote:
Breeze was allocated two departure authorizations at SNA for 2023.

Talk about a messy footprint in LA basin -- LAX, LGB, SBD, SNA.

Costly (equipment, staff, ticket counter/rental) to run multiple low-frequency airports. No efficiency to be had.


Weren’t they suppose to announce LGB service already?
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:34 am

They have 180-days. Depending on the exact day the allocation was made, they likely have until sometime until early December to commence.
They also have the option of basically parking the allocation for another 180-days as an unused flight, with another carrier having the ability to pick it up and temporarily utilize the allocation.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:45 am

LAXintl wrote:
Breeze was allocated two departure authorizations at SNA for 2023.

Talk about a messy footprint in LA basin -- LAX, LGB, SBD, SNA.

Costly (equipment, staff, ticket counter/rental) to run multiple low-frequency airports. No efficiency to be had.


If I'm them, I'm picking one airport in the LA area & sticking with it.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:44 am

MavyWavyATR wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Breeze was allocated two departure authorizations at SNA for 2023.

Talk about a messy footprint in LA basin -- LAX, LGB, SBD, SNA.

Costly (equipment, staff, ticket counter/rental) to run multiple low-frequency airports. No efficiency to be had.


If I'm them, I'm picking one airport in the LA area & sticking with it.


"Why? MX is not a legacy carrier with the same needs of a legacy carrier. They think/operate point to point with the resources available to them. When reviewing MX...you must think outside of the legacy box."
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:11 am

Bluegrass60 wrote:
MavyWavyATR wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Breeze was allocated two departure authorizations at SNA for 2023.

Talk about a messy footprint in LA basin -- LAX, LGB, SBD, SNA.

Costly (equipment, staff, ticket counter/rental) to run multiple low-frequency airports. No efficiency to be had.


If I'm them, I'm picking one airport in the LA area & sticking with it.


"Why? MX is not a legacy carrier with the same needs of a legacy carrier. They think/operate point to point with the resources available to them. When reviewing MX...you must think outside of the legacy box."

I don’t think Breeze knows what they’re plan is, especially in the LA area. It seems they’re throwing darts at the LA area airports and seeing which stick. They’re a mess right now. I know for a fact that at a particular airport they serve out west, they haven’t been doing great.
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:30 pm

mesasurf wrote:
Bluegrass60 wrote:
MavyWavyATR wrote:

If I'm them, I'm picking one airport in the LA area & sticking with it.


"Why? MX is not a legacy carrier with the same needs of a legacy carrier. They think/operate point to point with the resources available to them. When reviewing MX...you must think outside of the legacy box."

I don’t think Breeze knows what they’re plan is, especially in the LA area. It seems they’re throwing darts at the LA area airports and seeing which stick. They’re a mess right now. I know for a fact that at a particular airport they serve out west, they haven’t been doing great.


"Highly unlikely they are throwing darts....Neeleman has 2 successful airline start-ups...this is his 3rd. A poster here provided detailed stats that would indicate that MX stations are maturing over time...and MX has shown that is can act quickly to cut flights if needed; they have yet to cut a station that actually launched. Readers to this forum should look here: https://www.aviationplanning.com/ and particularly the "Aviation Unscripted" video and archives....to see the good, bad and ugly that is likely going on today in commercial aviation. You may or may not agree....but...Boyd & Company know much more than any poster to this airliners.net"
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:43 pm

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they have yet to cut a station that actually launched.


SAT and OKC would like to have a word with you.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:43 pm

Bluegrass60 wrote:
mesasurf wrote:
Bluegrass60 wrote:

"Why? MX is not a legacy carrier with the same needs of a legacy carrier. They think/operate point to point with the resources available to them. When reviewing MX...you must think outside of the legacy box."

I don’t think Breeze knows what they’re plan is, especially in the LA area. It seems they’re throwing darts at the LA area airports and seeing which stick. They’re a mess right now. I know for a fact that at a particular airport they serve out west, they haven’t been doing great.


"Highly unlikely they are throwing darts....Neeleman has 2 successful airline start-ups...this is his 3rd. A poster here provided detailed stats that would indicate that MX stations are maturing over time...and MX has shown that is can act quickly to cut flights if needed; they have yet to cut a station that actually launched. Readers to this forum should look here: https://www.aviationplanning.com/ and particularly the "Aviation Unscripted" video and archives....to see the good, bad and ugly that is likely going on today in commercial aviation. You may or may not agree....but...Boyd & Company know much more than any poster to this airliners.net"


To be fair, SAT was completely cut.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:04 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
Bluegrass60 wrote:
mesasurf wrote:
I don’t think Breeze knows what they’re plan is, especially in the LA area. It seems they’re throwing darts at the LA area airports and seeing which stick. They’re a mess right now. I know for a fact that at a particular airport they serve out west, they haven’t been doing great.


"Highly unlikely they are throwing darts....Neeleman has 2 successful airline start-ups...this is his 3rd. A poster here provided detailed stats that would indicate that MX stations are maturing over time...and MX has shown that is can act quickly to cut flights if needed; they have yet to cut a station that actually launched. Readers to this forum should look here: https://www.aviationplanning.com/ and particularly the "Aviation Unscripted" video and archives....to see the good, bad and ugly that is likely going on today in commercial aviation. You may or may not agree....but...Boyd & Company know much more than any poster to this airliners.net"


To be fair, SAT was completely cut.


"I stand corrected. They did drop SAT."
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:15 pm

How many A220 are Breeze expected to receive through YE 2023? And can we assume Delta and JetBlue will be vying for Breeze's "gently used" fleet in addition to their undelivered planes once they suspend operations?
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:34 pm

trueblew wrote:
How many A220 are Breeze expected to receive through YE 2023? And can we assume Delta and JetBlue will be vying for Breeze's "gently used" fleet in addition to their undelivered planes once they suspend operations?


"MX gets 1/month for 80 then options for 40 more. MX is/will be successful. The A220 is big reason for the success..."
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:09 pm

When is Breeze bringing the A220 to Provo? I moved up my flight to LAS from February to November and it’s showing as A220.
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:13 pm

trueblew wrote:
How many A220 are Breeze expected to receive through YE 2023? And can we assume Delta and JetBlue will be vying for Breeze's "gently used" fleet in addition to their undelivered planes once they suspend operations?


Neeleman literally has no track record of fails. He's cashed out, but his airlines have never "suspended operations". They have a war chest in the hundreds of millions and will slowly grow into the market once they get the A220 teething problems figured out.

I'm anything but a fanboy of Breeze, but of all the startup airlines out there, the one run by Neeleman is the one I wouldnt bet against.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:03 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Breeze was allocated two departure authorizations at SNA for 2023.

Talk about a messy footprint in LA basin -- LAX, LGB, SBD, SNA.

Costly (equipment, staff, ticket counter/rental) to run multiple low-frequency airports. No efficiency to be had.

I can almost guarantee you that Breeze is not paying for anything right now. And I would bet money on it that LGB is never actually served.

trueblew wrote:
How many A220 are Breeze expected to receive through YE 2023? And can we assume Delta and JetBlue will be vying for Breeze's "gently used" fleet in addition to their undelivered planes once they suspend operations?

30 a220’s were scheduled to believed between Oct 2021 and December 2023. However Airbus has already stated that they would only be able to deliver up to 22-23 airframes in that time. Supposedly, additional leased aircraft have been sourced to make up the downfall in Breeze’s own Airbus deliveries. Additionally, additional E195’s are being looked at as a way to supplement the 220 shortfall.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:13 pm

Not sure if this has been already mentioned, but yet more schedule adjustments:
-CHS-LAS/LAX/PHX + PVU-LAX/PHX delayed til mid November
-CHS-SFO suspended, no posted resumption date
-PVU-LAS suspended for most of November
-HPN-LAX cancelled til October 12th

https://twitter.com/ishriona/status/158 ... IqpruGOPqw

In other news, Breeze execs are visiting Vero Beach Airport next week: https://www.veronews.com/2022/09/29/cou ... r-way/amp/
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:58 pm

TexasAirCorp wrote:
Not sure if this has been already mentioned, but yet more schedule adjustments:
-CHS-LAS/LAX/PHX + PVU-LAX/PHX delayed til mid November
-CHS-SFO suspended, no posted resumption date
-PVU-LAS suspended for most of November
-HPN-LAX cancelled til October 12th

https://twitter.com/ishriona/status/158 ... IqpruGOPqw

In other news, Breeze execs are visiting Vero Beach Airport next week: https://www.veronews.com/2022/09/29/cou ... r-way/amp/


A220 problems maybe? I didn’t see any changes to PIT

Where did you see CHS SFO has no resumption? It says CHS SFO and PVU LAS are only suspended for half of november

And HPN LAX hasn't even began. Only 2 flights canceled.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:05 pm

PITFlyer330 wrote:
Where did you see CHS SFO has no resumption? It says CHS SFO and PVU LAS are only suspended for half of november

From the way the tweet is worded it’s a bit unclear if they are saying CHS-SFO is suspended with no resumption and PVU-LAS suspended in first half of month, or if both routes are suspended for first half of month. I think like you they mean the latter but both ways can be interpreted.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:31 pm

flightsimer wrote:
30 a220’s were scheduled to believed between Oct 2021 and December 2023. However Airbus has already stated that they would only be able to deliver up to 22-23 airframes in that time. Supposedly, additional leased aircraft have been sourced to make up the downfall in Breeze’s own Airbus deliveries. Additionally, additional E195’s are being looked at as a way to supplement the 220 shortfall.

The quantity shortfall is in line with the primarily engine and avionics supply shortage expected for overall A220 production. (I do not know Breeze specifics).

Buying more E-jets makes sense. Is there any source for additional leases or is the trade too preliminary?


Neeleman has a history of managing out of tough situations (JetBlue post 9/11). I have confidence Breeze will thrive. If for no other reason a nicer ULCX is definitely a missing niche.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:26 pm

https://www.tcpalm.com/story/money/busi ... 233686001/

According to the article, Breeze will start flights to Vero Beach on Feb. 15. Arriving flights would land in Vero Beach at 9:15 a.m., 4:15 p.m. and 5:25 p.m. There would be up to three destinations in the northeast, according to emails between Breeze and airport officials.
 
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Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:55 pm

TexasAirCorp wrote:
Not sure if this has been already mentioned, but yet more schedule adjustments:
-CHS-LAS/LAX/PHX + PVU-LAX/PHX delayed til mid November
-CHS-SFO suspended, no posted resumption date
-PVU-LAS suspended for most of November
-HPN-LAX cancelled til October 12th

https://twitter.com/ishriona/status/158 ... IqpruGOPqw

In other news, Breeze execs are visiting Vero Beach Airport next week: https://www.veronews.com/2022/09/29/cou ... r-way/amp/


Like I’ve been saying. Breeze is unable to compete with G4 in PVU. They underestimated how strong G4 is there.
 
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Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:06 am

ajsljet45 wrote:
https://www.tcpalm.com/story/money/business/2022/10/14/breeze-airways-coming-vero-beach-regional-airport-february-2023/8233686001/

According to the article, Breeze will start flights to Vero Beach on Feb. 15. Arriving flights would land in Vero Beach at 9:15 a.m., 4:15 p.m. and 5:25 p.m. There would be up to three destinations in the northeast, according to emails between Breeze and airport officials.


I think one of the last major commercial airlines to serve Vero Beach (which I pass the airport about four times a year) was to Orlando and Melbourne in 1993 on USAir Express. It was part of their Florida Shuttle service.
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:18 am

$20 says MX starts SNA-JFK x2 just to spite UA!
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sat Oct 15, 2022 6:41 am

mesasurf wrote:
TexasAirCorp wrote:
Not sure if this has been already mentioned, but yet more schedule adjustments:
-CHS-LAS/LAX/PHX + PVU-LAX/PHX delayed til mid November
-CHS-SFO suspended, no posted resumption date
-PVU-LAS suspended for most of November
-HPN-LAX cancelled til October 12th

https://twitter.com/ishriona/status/158 ... IqpruGOPqw

In other news, Breeze execs are visiting Vero Beach Airport next week: https://www.veronews.com/2022/09/29/cou ... r-way/amp/


Like I’ve been saying. Breeze is unable to compete with G4 in PVU. They underestimated how strong G4 is there.

Loads in and out of PVU are fine. All of those routes are A220 routes, when you don’t have the planes available to fly them, your only option is to postpone them.

PVU-LAX/LAS/PHX-CHS are all fed by the same aircraft, as in the plane will do PVU-PHX-CHS which would also serve the reverse.

These 220’s are anything but spectacular. Sure they have great economics but their dispatch reliability is pitiful, and having multiple friends at DL and B6, they say the same thing. The difference is DL and B6 have spares within the 220 fleet or in other fleets that can recover for the 220’s, Breeze doesn’t.
 
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Sat Oct 15, 2022 11:29 pm

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Like I’ve been saying. Breeze is unable to compete with G4 in PVU. They underestimated how strong G4 is there.


Considering that Breeze offers (IMO) a better product than G4, this is surprising.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sun Oct 16, 2022 1:29 am

Living near PVU, I have flown G4 a couple of times but usually make the hour drive to SLC to fly DL. I have high hopes for MX as they seem to be a world apart from G4. When I read some comments that they can not compete with G4 it surprises me. The product isn't in the same ball park of quality. That said I was going to fly them to SFO to see the B52s final tour but a single flight per day scared me off when DL has multiples up the road. I guess that can be said by many. I do not want to miss the concert and my wife and I need to be back the next day to work. I sure hope MX can make PVU work and I can avoid going to SLC, I guess time will tell. I was going to fly them to the NYC area when the had some great prices on there nicest class but the flights were dropped so my daughter and I won't be flying them to visit NYC. MX can't be worse then G4 and have forced G4 to finally fly PVU to LAS (I always thought that would be a natural for them, though may be too close) I have my fingers crossed that MX makes it in Provo.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:34 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Breeze was allocated two departure authorizations at SNA for 2023.

Talk about a messy footprint in LA basin -- LAX, LGB, SBD, SNA.

Costly (equipment, staff, ticket counter/rental) to run multiple low-frequency airports. No efficiency to be had.


Sounds like a mess.

1 slot @ LGB, 2 @ SNA. SBD is wide open, but is it really a market to serve, while LAX is expensive and has limited terminal space.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:01 pm

Hi all,

T-100 for July time for MX
link is here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing
source data is the DOT published data through July TX

Summary of data:

First few tabs are summary of the entire performance across all stations, then it works through 4 Tiers based on the number of routes logged on their website route map, I took a snapshot a few weeks ago, so might have missed one or two here or there, I remove any extraneous data like diverts or obvious charters, and that's how I show the data.

Tier 1: CHS, ORF, BDL, MSY, LAS and TPA
Tier 2: RIC, HPN, JAX, CMH, PVD, CAK
Tier 3: SFO, PBI, BNA, SAV, SDF, PIT
Tier 4: TUL, HSV, SYR, ISP, SRQ, OKC, XNA,RSW, MCO and SAT (noting that SAT is for historic purposes only at this point)
Not Yet running at time of report: LAX, PVU, SBD and PHX, they will be added when the time comes.

Data Sets:
Current Month – July 22
Prior Month – June 22
Q3 (AKA July 22)
YTD
2021
For National reporting, I’ve added a YOY comparator for July 21 vs July 22, I may work that down to the station level for August reporting, but not for right now.

You will see info on flights, seats, passengers, capacity %, miles, average stage lengths, air time, etc. I've used about every metric they have in the specific file.

So I hope you find this useful.

Key Data from the report:

July:
1,175 flights recorded, 135,306 seats and 97,202 passengers for July (71.8%), against 1,109, 125,749 and 87,527 in June (69.6%), Average Pax on flights increased by 4 from 79 to 83
on a YTD basis, 6,433 flights, 765,615 seats and 483,419 passengers (63.1%), all-time from T-100 reporting I have 801,000 pax, meaning that 1m should be in September most likely,

Seats were up 7.6% overall, Pax up 11.1% Month to Month

The A223 showed up in reasonable amounts with 27% of the flights recorded, however, you can see quite clearly the challenges they had with TUL being a stop-over for flights to LAS from RIC, RSW and SYR respectively

Highest number of passengers:
CHS – 37,153 (both directions combined)
TPA – 21,125
ORF – 18,168

Best % station
Tier 1: LAS was 80.1%, biggest mover was BDL that went from 67.1% to 76.1% for 3rd place., removed some of the capacity, but kept the level of passengers almost exactly the same.
Tier 2: JAX at 76% leads the way, biggest mover was HPN from 42.8% to 63.1%, but still trails the others in early days of it’s existence.
Tier 3: SFO at 86% in its 3rd month maintains top spot,biggest mover was SAV, that went from 56.4% to 76.1%, although that was partly due to a 17% reduction in capacity.
Tier 4: SRQ leads the way at 87.2% and was also the biggest mover from 71.2% in June, TUL got a big bump from its role as stop-over while capacity went up Triple, Passenger growth exceeded even that, and went from 66.6% to 78.9%.

Also included are best and worst performing routes. Along with performance of routes starting in Feb, May, June and July respectively.

Usual disclaimers apply, Data is only as good as what was submitted to the feds and I make no judgement about profitability of routes, as the data just isn’t there.

for now, Enjoy and any questions, please let me know.
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:34 pm

VS4ever wrote:
Hi all,

T-100 for July time for MX
link is here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing
source data is the DOT published data through July TX

Summary of data:

First few tabs are summary of the entire performance across all stations, then it works through 4 Tiers based on the number of routes logged on their website route map, I took a snapshot a few weeks ago, so might have missed one or two here or there, I remove any extraneous data like diverts or obvious charters, and that's how I show the data.

Tier 1: CHS, ORF, BDL, MSY, LAS and TPA
Tier 2: RIC, HPN, JAX, CMH, PVD, CAK
Tier 3: SFO, PBI, BNA, SAV, SDF, PIT
Tier 4: TUL, HSV, SYR, ISP, SRQ, OKC, XNA,RSW, MCO and SAT (noting that SAT is for historic purposes only at this point)
Not Yet running at time of report: LAX, PVU, SBD and PHX, they will be added when the time comes.

Data Sets:
Current Month – July 22
Prior Month – June 22
Q3 (AKA July 22)
YTD
2021
For National reporting, I’ve added a YOY comparator for July 21 vs July 22, I may work that down to the station level for August reporting, but not for right now.

You will see info on flights, seats, passengers, capacity %, miles, average stage lengths, air time, etc. I've used about every metric they have in the specific file.

So I hope you find this useful.

Key Data from the report:

July:
1,175 flights recorded, 135,306 seats and 97,202 passengers for July (71.8%), against 1,109, 125,749 and 87,527 in June (69.6%), Average Pax on flights increased by 4 from 79 to 83
on a YTD basis, 6,433 flights, 765,615 seats and 483,419 passengers (63.1%), all-time from T-100 reporting I have 801,000 pax, meaning that 1m should be in September most likely,

Seats were up 7.6% overall, Pax up 11.1% Month to Month

The A223 showed up in reasonable amounts with 27% of the flights recorded, however, you can see quite clearly the challenges they had with TUL being a stop-over for flights to LAS from RIC, RSW and SYR respectively

Highest number of passengers:
CHS – 37,153 (both directions combined)
TPA – 21,125
ORF – 18,168

Best % station
Tier 1: LAS was 80.1%, biggest mover was BDL that went from 67.1% to 76.1% for 3rd place., removed some of the capacity, but kept the level of passengers almost exactly the same.
Tier 2: JAX at 76% leads the way, biggest mover was HPN from 42.8% to 63.1%, but still trails the others in early days of it’s existence.
Tier 3: SFO at 86% in its 3rd month maintains top spot,biggest mover was SAV, that went from 56.4% to 76.1%, although that was partly due to a 17% reduction in capacity.
Tier 4: SRQ leads the way at 87.2% and was also the biggest mover from 71.2% in June, TUL got a big bump from its role as stop-over while capacity went up Triple, Passenger growth exceeded even that, and went from 66.6% to 78.9%.

Also included are best and worst performing routes. Along with performance of routes starting in Feb, May, June and July respectively.

Usual disclaimers apply, Data is only as good as what was submitted to the feds and I make no judgement about profitability of routes, as the data just isn’t there.

for now, Enjoy and any questions, please let me know.

Just so there is no confusion, the TUL stopover was strictly used by the E190 and E195 on scheduled A220 routes as a fuel stop. No passengers embarked or disembarked there.
 
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Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:21 pm

Breeze adds two new cities - Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (CVG) and Florida’s Vero Beach Regional Airport (VRB) – both begin in February.

Also 13 new routes:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/breeze-ai ... h-florida/

As a RIC flyer I thought LAX would come before PHX but they seems to do good in RIC with west coast flights.
 
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Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:34 pm

RicFlyer wrote:
Breeze adds two new cities - Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (CVG) and Florida’s Vero Beach Regional Airport (VRB) – both begin in February.

Also 13 new routes:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/breeze-ai ... h-florida/

As a RIC flyer I thought LAX would come before PHX but they seems to do good in RIC with west coast flights.

BDL to PVU and SBD, that makes a on of sense. There’s going to be a ton of demand from Connecticut to the armpit of the LA area and to Provo, Utah… :roll:
 
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Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:46 pm

mesasurf wrote:
RicFlyer wrote:
Breeze adds two new cities - Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (CVG) and Florida’s Vero Beach Regional Airport (VRB) – both begin in February.

Also 13 new routes:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/breeze-ai ... h-florida/

As a RIC flyer I thought LAX would come before PHX but they seems to do good in RIC with west coast flights.

BDL to PVU and SBD, that makes a on of sense. There’s going to be a ton of demand from Connecticut to the armpit of the LA area and to Provo, Utah… :roll:



Both of those aren’t nonstop.. they are thru flights. BDL-PHX is nonstop.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:27 pm

RicFlyer wrote:
Breeze adds two new cities - Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (CVG) and Florida’s Vero Beach Regional Airport (VRB) – both begin in February.

Also 13 new routes:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/breeze-ai ... h-florida/

As a RIC flyer I thought LAX would come before PHX but they seems to do good in RIC with west coast flights.


Article seems to have disappeared, perhaps there's a media embargo still in place

Nice to see Vero Beach finally get some proper attention. Might be a sharp move to compete with Elite there, an airline that's even more unreliable than Breeze.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:46 pm

I just saw the article disappeared. I agree, someone posted the article to early. I do think the information is probably right. I guess we will see this announced tomorrow???
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Oct 18, 2022 5:48 pm

mesasurf wrote:
RicFlyer wrote:
Breeze adds two new cities - Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (CVG) and Florida’s Vero Beach Regional Airport (VRB) – both begin in February.

Also 13 new routes:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/breeze-ai ... h-florida/

As a RIC flyer I thought LAX would come before PHX but they seems to do good in RIC with west coast flights.

BDL to PVU and SBD, that makes a on of sense. There’s going to be a ton of demand from Connecticut to the armpit of the LA area and to Provo, Utah… :roll:


Lol. SBD is for sure the armpit of LA. This BDL-SBD route makes zero sense whatsoever. The must have hired F9’s dart thrower put a blindfold on him, made him take 4 shots of cheap vodka, and spun him in 10 circles then told to throw to hit that route. Geesh.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:06 pm

 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:11 pm

johnboy wrote:



It's gone from MSN too, now.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:00 pm

Aren't some of these routes just restarts of prior routes?
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:03 pm

nine4nine wrote:
mesasurf wrote:
RicFlyer wrote:
Breeze adds two new cities - Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (CVG) and Florida’s Vero Beach Regional Airport (VRB) – both begin in February.

Also 13 new routes:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/breeze-ai ... h-florida/

As a RIC flyer I thought LAX would come before PHX but they seems to do good in RIC with west coast flights.

BDL to PVU and SBD, that makes a on of sense. There’s going to be a ton of demand from Connecticut to the armpit of the LA area and to Provo, Utah… :roll:


Lol. SBD is for sure the armpit of LA. This BDL-SBD route makes zero sense whatsoever. The must have hired F9’s dart thrower put a blindfold on him, made him take 4 shots of cheap vodka, and spun him in 10 circles then told to throw to hit that route. Geesh.

Agree. The majority of these routes make absolutely no sense. I think this is another sign that MX really has no clue what their network plan is. Even SBD-LAS is a head scratcher when it’s only flying twice a week. How is that route going to complete with ONT-LAS on WN that runs several times a day? Never mind that fact you can make that drive in about three hours.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:04 pm

TexasAirCorp wrote:
RicFlyer wrote:
Breeze adds two new cities - Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (CVG) and Florida’s Vero Beach Regional Airport (VRB) – both begin in February.

Also 13 new routes:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/breeze-ai ... h-florida/

As a RIC flyer I thought LAX would come before PHX but they seems to do good in RIC with west coast flights.


Article seems to have disappeared, perhaps there's a media embargo still in place

Nice to see Vero Beach finally get some proper attention. Might be a sharp move to compete with Elite there, an airline that's even more unreliable than Breeze.


I don't think Elite even exists anymore, their website has been "under maintenance " for months now
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:16 pm

I guess Breeze believes they are not designed to make sense, but to make money. I see several that has a good chance of being successful, others that may seem iffy, but i guess that's why they fly the routes. When most of the routes are flown twice weekly it makes it easier and less expensive to determine the probability of the route's early success or failure.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:30 pm

mesasurf wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
mesasurf wrote:
BDL to PVU and SBD, that makes a on of sense. There’s going to be a ton of demand from Connecticut to the armpit of the LA area and to Provo, Utah… :roll:


Lol. SBD is for sure the armpit of LA. This BDL-SBD route makes zero sense whatsoever. The must have hired F9’s dart thrower put a blindfold on him, made him take 4 shots of cheap vodka, and spun him in 10 circles then told to throw to hit that route. Geesh.

Agree. The majority of these routes make absolutely no sense. I think this is another sign that MX really has no clue what their network plan is. Even SBD-LAS is a head scratcher when it’s only flying twice a week. How is that route going to complete with ONT-LAS on WN that runs several times a day? Never mind that fact you can make that drive in about three hours.


G4 runs plenty of routes like this, not sure why Breeze can't do the same and make it work. Not to say all these routes will work but I don't think 2x weekly auto makes them bad.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:49 pm

Announcement is officially tomorrow for all of this.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:13 pm

Hartford-Vero Beach will do well. Tons of people from CT with second homes on the Treasure Coast. Vero, Ft Pierce, Jensen Beach, Port St Lucy, and Stuart. All snowbird migration territory.
Don’t count out through passengers from Hartford going on to Provo. People love to ski.
I’m not sure if there is a call to SBD.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:27 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
Aren't some of these routes just restarts of prior routes?


The only one that I can see as an official restart is CHS-HSV. Some of the others may not have started and now have new dates.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:33 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
mesasurf wrote:
nine4nine wrote:

Lol. SBD is for sure the armpit of LA. This BDL-SBD route makes zero sense whatsoever. The must have hired F9’s dart thrower put a blindfold on him, made him take 4 shots of cheap vodka, and spun him in 10 circles then told to throw to hit that route. Geesh.

Agree. The majority of these routes make absolutely no sense. I think this is another sign that MX really has no clue what their network plan is. Even SBD-LAS is a head scratcher when it’s only flying twice a week. How is that route going to complete with ONT-LAS on WN that runs several times a day? Never mind that fact you can make that drive in about three hours.


G4 runs plenty of routes like this, not sure why Breeze can't do the same and make it work. Not to say all these routes will work but I don't think 2x weekly auto makes them bad.
I agree, with the limited number of aircraft that Breeze has now, 2 to 3 times a week is probably the max they can fly these routes. One important thing to notice though, is that Breeze is getting a foot in more and more large airports, I believe that is not going unnoticed by the major airlines.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:33 pm

Was one of the new routes RIC-PHX? I came here too late to see the news before the link was broken.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:10 am

hooforce wrote:
Was one of the new routes RIC-PHX? I came here too late to see the news before the link was broken.


Yes that was one of the ones listed.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:13 am

Thanks for the confirmation. For someone from Richmond, this would be exciting! As mentioned earlier, our west coast flights are doing well on Breeze!
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:13 am

hooforce wrote:
Was one of the new routes RIC-PHX? I came here too late to see the news before the link was broken.

YES!!! Two times a week Monday and Friday. With LAS going to 4X a week Nov 1st and SFO remaining 2X week. Both LAS and SFO are some of the highest load factors in the whole MX system.
 
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Re: Breeze Airways - News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:22 am

Can’t believe no one has decided to post the full list from the deleted articles.

Anyone nice enough to do so for all those who missed it?

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