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flightsimer wrote:lightsaber wrote:They also didn’t outright cancel the Azul order. Covid had some to do with it as Azul stopped deliveries of the E2.In find it fascinating that Breeze contracted for Azul E-jets and then reneged for a better deal :
https://www.airdatanews.com/breeze-airw ... 5-leasing/
Then things changed and eventually Breeze leases ex-Azul Ejets:
https://www.airdatanews.com/breeze-airw ... azul-e195/
If Breeze wants more, Azul has a bunch left to sell. I think it will benefit Mr Neeleman more to but from Azul... but just my opinion.
Your answers were already in this thread as well lol. I reported 4 195’s a while ago. That number has already changed though.
Airfleets show the planes already as well. Just look at Any E195 that goes to Costa Rica… that’s where all of Breeze’s Ejet Aircraft were retrofitted. The new ones will also sport a new config that has the Breeze Seats Installed and at a slightly higher density.
KlimaBXsst wrote:Is Breeze sitting pretty?
Anyone got details on load factors here. Full flights alway prove profitability, health, and investor interest do they not?
TWA772LR wrote:Any guesses as to which airports they would fly in to when they decide to foray in to Houston, Dallas, and Denver? I'd say Fort Worth and Fort Collins for Dallas and Denver respectively, but Houston would be hard for them unless Conroe or Sugarland get TSA. I'd love them to fly to Centennial instead of Ft Collins though.
IAHObserver wrote:TWA772LR wrote:Any guesses as to which airports they would fly in to when they decide to foray in to Houston, Dallas, and Denver? I'd say Fort Worth and Fort Collins for Dallas and Denver respectively, but Houston would be hard for them unless Conroe or Sugarland get TSA. I'd love them to fly to Centennial instead of Ft Collins though.
Galveston used to have Metro Airlines service decades to go up to IAH, the 3rd cruise terminal is coming online this fall for Royal Caribbean and their giant Oasis ships and there is now talk about building a 4th terminal for new entrants I could see the demand there. There is still a tiny terminal building that would need to expanded and renovated but it's a long shot at best.
IAHObserver wrote:TWA772LR wrote:Any guesses as to which airports they would fly in to when they decide to foray in to Houston, Dallas, and Denver? I'd say Fort Worth and Fort Collins for Dallas and Denver respectively, but Houston would be hard for them unless Conroe or Sugarland get TSA. I'd love them to fly to Centennial instead of Ft Collins though.
Galveston used to have Metro Airlines service decades to go up to IAH, the 3rd cruise terminal is coming online this fall for Royal Caribbean and their giant Oasis ships and there is now talk about building a 4th terminal for new entrants I could see the demand there. There is still a tiny terminal building that would need to expanded and renovated but it's a long shot at best.
lightsaber wrote:3 195’s came from Azul, 3 are coming from Air Europa. Those ones all have N14xBZ tail numbers.flightsimer wrote:lightsaber wrote:They also didn’t outright cancel the Azul order. Covid had some to do with it as Azul stopped deliveries of the E2.In find it fascinating that Breeze contracted for Azul E-jets and then reneged for a better deal :
https://www.airdatanews.com/breeze-airw ... 5-leasing/
Then things changed and eventually Breeze leases ex-Azul Ejets:
https://www.airdatanews.com/breeze-airw ... azul-e195/
If Breeze wants more, Azul has a bunch left to sell. I think it will benefit Mr Neeleman more to but from Azul... but just my opinion.
Your answers were already in this thread as well lol. I reported 4 195’s a while ago. That number has already changed though.
Airfleets show the planes already as well. Just look at Any E195 that goes to Costa Rica… that’s where all of Breeze’s Ejet Aircraft were retrofitted. The new ones will also sport a new config that has the Breeze Seats Installed and at a slightly higher density.
The information seems to be... fluid. Breeze definitely changed the terms (prices, timeline) from the sources I posted.
How many Azul E195s are on contract? Covid19 changed everything, so I assume all prior MOUs are null and void.
Lightsaber
WaywardMemphian wrote:Princess too is reentering the Galveston market so with the seasonal Disney service there is starting to be a case made for the 4th terminal especially of Disney wants to go year around or another line like MSC enters the market.IAHObserver wrote:TWA772LR wrote:Any guesses as to which airports they would fly in to when they decide to foray in to Houston, Dallas, and Denver? I'd say Fort Worth and Fort Collins for Dallas and Denver respectively, but Houston would be hard for them unless Conroe or Sugarland get TSA. I'd love them to fly to Centennial instead of Ft Collins though.
Galveston used to have Metro Airlines service decades to go up to IAH, the 3rd cruise terminal is coming online this fall for Royal Caribbean and their giant Oasis ships and there is now talk about building a 4th terminal for new entrants I could see the demand there. There is still a tiny terminal building that would need to expanded and renovated but it's a long shot at best.
Norwegian is entering the Galveston market and launching their new Prima ship there. They where once at the failed Houston Cruise terminal that shut down many years ago. What a boondoggle that was.
IAHObserver wrote:WaywardMemphian wrote:Princess too is reentering the Galveston market so with the seasonal Disney service there is starting to be a case made for the 4th terminal especially of Disney wants to go year around or another line like MSC enters the market.IAHObserver wrote:
Galveston used to have Metro Airlines service decades to go up to IAH, the 3rd cruise terminal is coming online this fall for Royal Caribbean and their giant Oasis ships and there is now talk about building a 4th terminal for new entrants I could see the demand there. There is still a tiny terminal building that would need to expanded and renovated but it's a long shot at best.
Norwegian is entering the Galveston market and launching their new Prima ship there. They where once at the failed Houston Cruise terminal that shut down many years ago. What a boondoggle that was.
Wneast wrote:Still looking like a breeze announcement this week ?
flightsimer wrote:Wneast wrote:Still looking like a breeze announcement this week ?
Yes.
Wneast wrote:flightsimer wrote:Wneast wrote:Still looking like a breeze announcement this week ?
Yes.
Good. Hopefully lots of new routes.
sea13 wrote:Wneast wrote:flightsimer wrote:Yes.
Good. Hopefully lots of new routes.
LAS and PVU this week.
AndoAv8R wrote:Doesn't centennial still have a cap on how many max passengers on one plane ( years ago I think it was 30)?
SANFan wrote:Since tomorrow is supposed to see a route/expansion announcement, has anyone seen any hints/pre-announcements on your airport's Twitter/Facebook accounts? There are supposed to be new cities and routes coming, right, at least PVU?
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SANFan wrote:Since tomorrow is supposed to see a route/expansion announcement, has anyone seen any hints/pre-announcements on your airport's Twitter/Facebook accounts? There are supposed to be new cities and routes coming, right, at least PVU?
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USAAUA wrote:Breeze just poached United's SVP, TechOps Tom Doxey, to be their new President.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-doxey-665b22132/
VS4ever wrote:KlimaBXsst wrote:Is Breeze sitting pretty?
Anyone got details on load factors here. Full flights alway prove profitability, health, and investor interest do they not?
I posted through December a while back. I have January too, but I am currently on the beach in MBJ so I will post them when I get back as looking at the Ocean is way more fun right now
RicFlyer wrote:Here are the start dates and frequency for flights from Provo
LAS Starts Oct 5 Daily on A220
LAX starts Nov 2 Daily on A220
SBD starts August 4 Daily on E190
SFO starts August 4 Daily on E190
HPN starts October 5 Daily on A220
BA744PHX wrote:RicFlyer wrote:Here are the start dates and frequency for flights from Provo
LAS Starts Oct 5 Daily on A220
LAX starts Nov 2 Daily on A220
SBD starts August 4 Daily on E190
SFO starts August 4 Daily on E190
HPN starts October 5 Daily on A220
SBD one stop via SFO
HPN one stop via LAS
So both don’t technically count
Blerg wrote:USAAUA wrote:Breeze just poached United's SVP, TechOps Tom Doxey, to be their new President.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-doxey-665b22132/
How did he do at United? Was he competent?
sea13 wrote:RicFlyer wrote:Here are the start dates and frequency for flights from Provo
LAS Starts Oct 5 Daily on A220
LAX starts Nov 2 Daily on A220
SBD starts August 4 Daily on E190
SFO starts August 4 Daily on E190
HPN starts October 5 Daily on A220
Congrats to Breeze and PVU. I think these routes will be successful. It’ll be interesting to see how G4 will respond. They act as if PVU is their own airport. I could see them starting PVU-LAS/OAK/SAN. They of course already do SNA and LAX.
SANFan wrote:sea13 wrote:RicFlyer wrote:Here are the start dates and frequency for flights from Provo
LAS Starts Oct 5 Daily on A220
LAX starts Nov 2 Daily on A220
SBD starts August 4 Daily on E190
SFO starts August 4 Daily on E190
HPN starts October 5 Daily on A220
Congrats to Breeze and PVU. I think these routes will be successful. It’ll be interesting to see how G4 will respond. They act as if PVU is their own airport. I could see them starting PVU-LAS/OAK/SAN. They of course already do SNA and LAX.
G4 offered PVU-SAN back in 2016/17; like most Allegiant routes to SAN, it didn't last very long.
Of course, Breeze seems to have even less interest in SAN...
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luv2cattlecall wrote:Blerg wrote:USAAUA wrote:Breeze just poached United's SVP, TechOps Tom Doxey, to be their new President.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-doxey-665b22132/
How did he do at United? Was he competent?
From people I know who have worked with him, he's an excellent leader and knows his stuff inside and out. I can see where he's a bit too nice of a person for the UA HQ culture which can be a little more "watch out for your own best interests". I mean that as a compliment to him - he seems very capable of playing the corporate game, but as someone who would prefer to not have to.
He used to work at Allegiant, as have many others on the Breeze team, so I'm sure they are very confident in what he will bring the team.
Breeze has a huge advantage in being able to cherrypick the best of everything for their needs - fleet, destinations, product, leadership, etc, with no encumbered baggage. Should be a very bright road ahead.
SANFan wrote:Of course, Breeze seems to have even less interest in SAN...
diverdave wrote:SANFan wrote:Of course, Breeze seems to have even less interest in SAN...
Not to divert the thread, but are there constraints to beginning service at SAN? It only has the single runway, so I always assumed it was gate constrained or the like.
Thank you,
David
luv2cattlecall wrote:Interesting... N204BZ had a few flight plans to SJC filed in April.
luv2cattlecall wrote:Interesting... N204BZ had a few flight plans to SJC filed in April.
sfojvjets wrote:At what rate will MX be taking delivery of 220s?
sfojvjets wrote:Whenever MX starts targeting POS west of PVU, I'd like to see them in SJC. There are a multitude of markets both transcon and closer-in that I think could work well with the Breeze model. At what rate will MX be taking delivery of 220s?
panam330 wrote:sfojvjets wrote:At what rate will MX be taking delivery of 220s?
Believe it’s roughly 1/mo for the foreseeable future.
sea13 wrote:sfojvjets wrote:Whenever MX starts targeting POS west of PVU, I'd like to see them in SJC. There are a multitude of markets both transcon and closer-in that I think could work well with the Breeze model. At what rate will MX be taking delivery of 220s?
They already are targeting POS west of PVU. They have been even before PVU was announced. Also, I think SFO will be their Bay Area airport. If they wanted to do SJC early on, then they would have.
sfojvjets wrote:sea13 wrote:sfojvjets wrote:Whenever MX starts targeting POS west of PVU, I'd like to see them in SJC. There are a multitude of markets both transcon and closer-in that I think could work well with the Breeze model. At what rate will MX be taking delivery of 220s?
They already are targeting POS west of PVU. They have been even before PVU was announced. Also, I think SFO will be their Bay Area airport. If they wanted to do SJC early on, then they would have.
I disagree here... I'm well aware that their SFO and LAX routes were announced pretty early on, but their networks from the two cities seems largely based on inbound traffic. For SFO, I would think that more passengers are flying from PVU/SBD/SDF/RIC/CHS/HPN into SFO as opposed to passengers traveling from SFO to those destinations. But in any case, I don't think they need to be restricted to just one Bay Area airport. You may have a point... but with 80 220s on the way with a focus on low-frequency routes, I think SJC could have a place in their strategy...i just saying that's a lot of unserved routes and many have potential for either the 190 and 220 MX fleets
CIDFlyer wrote:MavyWavyATR wrote:A couple of ideas for where Breeze should try service at next: Mobile (MOB or BFM), Cedar Rapids (CID), Everett (PAE), Orlando (MCO, SFB or MLB), Shreveport (SHV), Wilmington (DE) (ILG), & Branson (BKG).
Would love to see them here at CID.
SANFan wrote:sfojvjets wrote:sea13 wrote:They already are targeting POS west of PVU. They have been even before PVU was announced. Also, I think SFO will be their Bay Area airport. If they wanted to do SJC early on, then they would have.
I disagree here... I'm well aware that their SFO and LAX routes were announced pretty early on, but their networks from the two cities seems largely based on inbound traffic. For SFO, I would think that more passengers are flying from PVU/SBD/SDF/RIC/CHS/HPN into SFO as opposed to passengers traveling from SFO to those destinations. But in any case, I don't think they need to be restricted to just one Bay Area airport. You may have a point... but with 80 220s on the way with a focus on low-frequency routes, I think SJC could have a place in their strategy...i just saying that's a lot of unserved routes and many have potential for either the 190 and 220 MX fleets
I personally would love to see Breeze consider other large cities out west instead of multiple airports in an area they already serve, such as the Bay Area. Now that they've committed to LAX and SFO, let's see them try additional west coast cities... There are other popular destinations in the far west than just SFO and LAX, just saying...
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sfojvjets wrote:SANFan wrote:I personally would love to see Breeze consider other large cities out west instead of multiple airports in an area they already serve, such as the Bay Area. Now that they've committed to LAX and SFO, let's see them try additional west coast cities... There are other popular destinations in the far west than just SFO and LAX, just saying...
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That's fair. You'd think that SAN would have been announced alongside SFO/LAX or at least soon after. I guess a significant factor could be issues with A220 certification–I heard somewhere that MX will be leasing GlobalX A320s for their initial transcons but have not seen anything concrete supporting that yet.
As for other large west coast cities... well I don't think we'll ever see Breeze entering SEA. The threat of Alaska jumping on ex-SEA routes is just far too real. There's no reason for Breeze to invite unnecessary competition onto their own routes. I think PDX would be a good option though... PDX, SJC, SAN, etc. Hoping for MRY and SBA down the road.
SANFan wrote:Ah, you saw thru my cleverly disguised thought: "where is SAN on the Breeze route map?" LOL! That of course is the destination I am mostly referring to. There are certainly others, and you've mentioned many of them.
I keep my eyes on Breeze but have just pretty much decided, at this point in time, let's just see what happens. (Honestly, since SAN was not included as one of their opening far-west stations, they've already lost points with me on my desirability scale.)
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That's fair. You'd think that SAN would have been announced alongside SFO/LAX or at least soon after. I guess a significant factor could be issues with A220 certification–I heard somewhere that MX will be leasing GlobalX A320s for their initial transcons but have not seen anything concrete supporting that yet.
As for other large west coast cities... well I don't think we'll ever see Breeze entering SEA. The threat of Alaska jumping on ex-SEA routes is just far too real. There's no reason for Breeze to invite unnecessary competition onto their own routes. I think PDX would be a good option though... PDX, SJC, SAN, etc. Hoping for MRY and SBA down the road.