Central American Aviation Thread - 2022

juanchito · Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:54 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
The Dominican low-cost airline called Arajet is also adding DM SDQ-PTY 5x weekly to its network.
This route is widely dominated by CM PTY-SDQ 21x weekly.
The launch of DM SDQ-SAL 2x weekly had been announced before.

I read in another forum that SDQ-GUA will also be available 2x weekly.

Juanchito

2travel2know2 · Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:20 am

mia977 wrote:
Had no idea they are doing a 3rd runway. Should just move more flights to Panama Pacifico.

Who? CM? It's a question of months that CM starts using remote positions again.
BLB will remain dead until a new bridge is completed over the Panama Canal.
Only then, PAC most likely will close (Albrook Mall would love to expand there) and move operations to BLB.
Advise for B6, WN, F9 if they're looking to fly to Panama: Check Rio Hato RIH or Colon ONX (less desired).

SJOtoLIR · Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:51 pm

CM PTY-ASU goes temporarily to 17x weekly from July till August 2022.
They had never operated this route such a large amount of weekly frequencies, as far I know.

2travel2know2 · Sat Jul 16, 2022 7:15 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
CM PTY-ASU goes temporarily to 17x weekly from July till August 2022.
They had never operated this route such a large amount of weekly frequencies, as far I know.

There're times I suspect CM could even have day-time rotations to ASU, VVI and BSB.

SJOtoLIR · Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:48 pm

2travel2know2 wrote:
I suspect CM could even have day-time rotations to ASU, VVI and BSB.

Speaking about the South American destinations on Copa Airlines, they're currently managing a vast list of stations, where their services are more than a daily flight by now: CTG, BAQ, MDE, BOG, CLO, CCS, UIO, GYE, LIM, VVI, SCL, EZE, MVD, ASU, GRU and GIG.

Regards.

2travel2know2 · Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:11 pm

CM is advising its passengers to/from PTY about road-blocks in Panama City.
https://twitter.com/CopaAirlines/status/1549035537201188865 From CM's Twitter account in Spanish
From Google translate:
IMPORTANT: Passengers traveling from the City of #Panama, today July 18, we recommend taking the necessary precautions to arrive at the airport on time, due to road closures in the city.

SJOtoLIR · Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:52 pm

Can someone take now the metro from Panama City downtown to get at Tocumen international airport ?

The Ministerio de Seguridad Pública de Costa Rica has sent at least three flights linking David and San Jose to rescue some stranded Costa Rican travelers.
These flights were operated on the DH6 - Twin Otter.

Kilgen · Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:19 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Can someone take now the metro from Panama City downtown to get at Tocumen international airport ?

The Ministerio de Seguridad Pública de Costa Rica has sent at least three flights linking David and San Jose to rescue some stranded Costa Rican travelers.
These flights were operated on the DH6 - Twin Otter.

Not yet. Although the new extension of the 2 line of the metro is at 97% done.

The best that can be done at this moment is to take the metro to a station close to the airport and then take the bus. Unfortunately, the construction union blocks that road almost every day during this protest. There is another road that takes to the airport, but the bus route is not using it.

SJOtoLIR · Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:44 pm

Frontier Airlines is focusing their Central American flights especially from Orlando, given the current services of F9 MCO-SAL, F9 MCO-BZE, F9 MCO-LIR and F9 MCO-SJO.
All are served with some weekly services. NK also flies some MCO-Central American routes.
However, nobody else is facing to Panama City, where CM PTY-MCO supplies up to 5x daily flights.
F9 DEN-BZE is also operating.
No evidence was found about the former flights of F9 from Miami and Ontario.

2travel2know2 · Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:25 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
However, nobody else is facing to Panama City, where CM PTY-MCO supplies up to 5x daily flights.

So DL MCO-PTY was a once in a lifetime route just to show CM how DL felt about CM flight to ATL?
IMHO, DL could operate E170/CRJ9 MCO-PTY (and even MIA-PTY) Saturdays and Sundays peak-season weekend before Thanksgiving to last weekend January and still get some traffic, even % connections to/from CM.

SJOtoLIR · Wed Jul 27, 2022 1:08 pm

New York City JFK
CM PTY-JFK 24x weekly
DL JFK-PTY 4x weekly

Atlanta
CM PTY-ATL 4x weekly
DL ATL-PTY 8x weekly

The opening of CM ATL-PTY 4x weekly was a response for DL JFK-PTY 4x weekly.
CM ATL-PTY, DL JFK-PTY and DL LAX-PTY started at the same time: December 2021.
DL LAX-PTY 1x weekly is still active and facing CM PTY-LAX 14x weekly.

LightChop2Chop · Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:38 pm

looks like AC is finally resuming BZE. moving to Mainline A220 from Rouge 319
AC 1346....YYZ 09:30.......13:15........BZE....A223...Sun
AC 1347....BZE 14:15.......19:35.......YYZ....A223...Sun
Effective: December 4, 2020

SJOtoLIR · Fri Jul 29, 2022 9:08 pm

LightChop2Chop wrote:
looks like AC is finally resuming BZE. moving to Mainline A220 from Rouge 319

AC YYZ-BZE should be the first scheduled operation in Central America with the A220.

Regards.

juanchito · Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:34 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
LightChop2Chop wrote:
looks like AC is finally resuming BZE. moving to Mainline A220 from Rouge 319

AC YYZ-BZE should be the first scheduled operation in Central America with the A220.

Regards.

I have seen pictures of AC A220 in SJO.

LRC315 · Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:00 pm

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juanchito wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
LightChop2Chop wrote:
looks like AC is finally resuming BZE. moving to Mainline A220 from Rouge 319

AC YYZ-BZE should be the first scheduled operation in Central America with the A220.

Regards.

I have seen pictures of AC A220 in SJO.

That's right, they've been using the A220 during the low season

copa330200 · Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:08 pm

some CM interesting information

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1555953672894414850

https://simpleflying.com/copa-airlines- ... 1659802572

2travel2know2 · Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:32 pm

copa330200 wrote:
some CM interesting information

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1555953672894414850

https://simpleflying.com/copa-airlines- ... 1659802572

A 10% fleet increase in a year is amazing.
I'd suspect CM is really studying taking all or 1-2 of those B737-700 in storage to cope w/ December-January demand.
I'd love to see one of those B737-700 flying extra PTY-DAV-PTY frequencies Mondays, Fridays, Saturday and Sundays and BOG-DAV-SJO-DAV-BOG :ugeek:

2-3 times per week.

SJOtoLIR · Mon Aug 08, 2022 4:16 pm

From the last press release:

Copa has carried 7.72 million passengers in 2022, still 4.8% below pre-pandemic traffic levels. Similarly, total operating revenue, coming from passenger, cargo, and mail, is still 4.0% below 2019 levels; total operating expenses are 5.0% above pre-pandemic levels.

With that being said above, the projected brand new aircrafts in the future will grant the total recovery of the demand of passengers prior to March 2020.
More than likely, it will happen in 2023.

Kilgen · Mon Aug 08, 2022 4:44 pm

They released the transcript of the Q2 2022 earnings call for Copa: https://seekingalpha.com/article/453092 ... transcript

Lots of interesting tidbits in the earnings call.

They will reach 100% of pre pandemic capacity en Q3 2022.

They are planning to have a sub fleet of roughly 30 B737-9 planes. So the rest of their maxes will be 8 and 10s. Also, they haven't decided 100% on the number of max 10s (maybe because of the uncertainty of its approval process?).

We have options in the MAX 10s also. So we haven't made a final decision there, but that's kind of how it looks right now.

They have updated their fleet plan: https://copa.gcs-web.com/static-files/a ... c4ea80e81c . If they don't renew leases on some B737-800 they will finish with 108 planes by the end of 2023, otherwise it would be 111.

They did $120 million stock buy back or 4% in Q2. Most likely due to its lower price (looking at CPA stock, it went from a max of $82 to a min of $55.76).

The one that made my laugh the most was what the CEO of Copa said about the distances in the T2:

The only negative is walking distances can be quite long from one extreme to the other, it's not uncommon in most airports and major hubs, but some of our passengers are not used to that, but we're selling the health side of walking and exercise that we do.

juanchito · Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:31 pm

Arajet Website is already working and you can make reservations to the following Central American Airports

GUA, SAL and SJO

copa330200 · Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:33 pm

Kilgen wrote:

They have updated their fleet plan: https://copa.gcs-web.com/static-files/a ... c4ea80e81c . If they don't renew leases on some B737-800 they will finish with 108 planes by the end of 2023, otherwise it would be 111.

thanks for sharing. A couple of notes;
1 - slide shows only one B737-800BCF by 2023, a bit of suprise since they have talked about a second conversion
2 - I guess some on the CM B737800 will be transfered to Wingo

Kilgen · Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:00 pm

copa330200 wrote:
Kilgen wrote:

They have updated their fleet plan: https://copa.gcs-web.com/static-files/a ... c4ea80e81c . If they don't renew leases on some B737-800 they will finish with 108 planes by the end of 2023, otherwise it would be 111.

thanks for sharing. A couple of notes;
1 - slide shows only one B737-800BCF by 2023, a bit of suprise since they have talked about a second conversion
2 - I guess some on the CM B737800 will be transfered to Wingo

Yes, in a previous news, they mentioned that they had planned for 2 B737-800BCF. Either they don't need it yet (as they are expanding their cargo operation and CM sometimes is very conservative in expanding), or they are waiting for either a conversion slot or waiting for a particular B738 (schedule wise) so that they can send it to get it converted into a freighter.

And yes, in their earnings call, they said they will transfer more 738s to Wingo. They spoke of moving a ninth and potentially a 10th plane. But they did not provide the timeline. Also, Wingo's Panama division, I think it starting operating in September, with 2 fx weekly to HAV and SDQ from BLB.

Edit:

I thought someone had published this news, but looks like that is not the case: https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/08/wi ... de-panama/

Wingo will open:
BLB-HAV 2 fx a week on Sep 3: Tuesday and Saturday.
BLB-SDQ 2 fx a week on Oct 6: Thursday and Sunday.

SJOtoLIR · Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:49 pm

AraJet has released their starting dates for the Central American services, among other routes:

September 17: DM SDQ-SAL, 2x weekly.
September 28: DM SDQ-GUA, 2x weekly.
October 08: DM SDQ-SJO, 4x weekly.

copa330200 · Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:15 am

CM got another 739 Max

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/hp-9918cmp :hyper:

SJOtoLIR · Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:11 pm

More announcements:

August 11 - November 01: AV GUA-JFK. Temporarily suspended.
August 11 - November 01: AV GUA-IAD. Temporarily suspended.
August 11 - November 01: AV SAL-LIM. Temporarily suspended.
August onward: AV GUA-MIA. Suspended.
August onward: AV SAP-MIA. Suspended.
August onward: AV SJO-LAX. Suspended.
August onward: AV SJO-JFK. Suspended.
August onward: AV SJO-MIA. Suspended.
August onward: AV SAL-PTY. Suspended.
November 18: WS YYC-BZE, 1x weekly. Resumption

avi8 · Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:46 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
More announcements:

August 11 - November 01: AV GUA-JFK. Temporarily suspended.
August 11 - November 01: AV GUA-IAD. Temporarily suspended.
August 11 - November 01: AV SAL-LIM. Temporarily suspended.
August onward: AV GUA-MIA. Suspended.
August onward: AV SAP-MIA. Suspended.
August onward: AV SJO-LAX. Suspended.
August onward: AV SJO-JFK. Suspended.
August onward: AV SJO-MIA. Suspended.
August onward: AV SAL-PTY. Suspended.
November 18: WS YYC-BZE, 1x weekly. Resumption

I honestly have no idea what AV is doing. They have become very unreliable, unfriendly, and the onboard experience is mediocre at its best. I hope they get it together.

SJOtoLIR · Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:57 pm

It might be a combination of macro-economic factors in Latin America: the increase in oil prices, the reduction of future reserves, the regional inflation, the devaluation of currencies, the Covid-19 crisis and so forth.

SJOtoLIR · Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:31 pm

Finally, AA would dare to start again their MIA-MGA services and facing AV SAL-MGA-MIA 14x weekly.
The airline has not even released the official date of that resumption.
With that being said, AA would serve to all the Central American countries out of Miami.

AA 2243...MIA 10:25.....MGA 12:18...738
AA 928.....MGA 13:20...MIA 16:55.....738

Kilgen · Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:33 pm

Looks like CM painted one of their Max in the colors they had in the 90s. Picture in the tweet: https://twitter.com/MondolQuijada/statu ... 2378938368

REDHL · Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:46 am

Kilgen wrote:
Looks like CM painted one of their Max in the colors they had in the 90s. Picture in the tweet: https://twitter.com/MondolQuijada/statu ... 2378938368

Its not a MAX, is an NG.

SXDFC · Mon Aug 22, 2022 4:54 am

Great to see a COPA retrojet, however I wonder when they will get a new livery..

oceanbeat · Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:10 pm

SXDFC wrote:
Great to see a COPA retrojet, however I wonder when they will get a new livery..

Not anytime soon. They renew the agremeent with United to use their current livery for at least 5 more years.

Trademark License Agreement. Under our trademark license agreement with UAL, we have the right to use a logo incorporating a design
that is similar to the design of the new UAL logo. We also have the right to use UAL’s trade dress, aircraft livery and certain other UAL marks under
the agreement that allow us to more closely align our overall product with our strategic alliance partner. The trademark license agreement is coterminous
with the alliance agreement and can also be terminated for breach. In most cases, we have a period of five years after termination to cease to use the
marks on our aircraft, with less time provided for signage and other uses of the marks or in cases where the agreement is terminated for a breach by us

SJOtoLIR · Mon Aug 22, 2022 4:28 pm

Nice to see again this retro livery on this isolated Copa Airlines plane ! :smile:

The orange-scheme disappeared once the Continental - Copa agreement came into fruition by the late 90s.
I attached some 737-200s from the database wearing these colors.

stewartg · Mon Aug 22, 2022 4:45 pm

oceanbeat wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
Great to see a COPA retrojet, however I wonder when they will get a new livery..

Not anytime soon. They renew the agremeent with United to use their current livery for at least 5 more years.

Trademark License Agreement. Under our trademark license agreement with UAL, we have the right to use a logo incorporating a design
that is similar to the design of the new UAL logo. We also have the right to use UAL’s trade dress, aircraft livery and certain other UAL marks under
the agreement that allow us to more closely align our overall product with our strategic alliance partner. The trademark license agreement is coterminous
with the alliance agreement and can also be terminated for breach. In most cases, we have a period of five years after termination to cease to use the
marks on our aircraft, with less time provided for signage and other uses of the marks or in cases where the agreement is terminated for a breach by us

I feel that UA is modernizing their logo and overall scheme while CM is being left with the old logo. Can it be refreshed? For ex, UA's horizontal bronze line is now a wave; where as CM is keeping it straight even with the new MAXs.

A388 · Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:33 pm

Kilgen wrote:
Looks like CM painted one of their Max in the colors they had in the 90s. Picture in the tweet: https://twitter.com/MondolQuijada/statu ... 2378938368

I'm looking forward to seeing this very nice Copa retro jet in Curacao. Does anyone have the registration of that 737-800 wearing the retro livery and when it will enter commercial operations?

A388

Kilgen · Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:23 am

Looks like no one has posted this yet.

Wingo Panama received its AOC on Aug 12. Via Tweeter: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1425936619811581958

Wingo is planning to fly to DAV in 2023, 7fx per week. It is opening HAV and SDQ in Sept and Oct of this year from BLB, 2fx weekly each. https://www.prensa.com/economia/wingo-c ... de-panama/

Also will start BAQ in Sep, 2fx per week from BLB. https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/08/wi ... -y-panama/

Also, Wingo will receive another B737-800, for a total of 9 B737-800.

Caribbean007 · Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:44 pm

I'm from Dominican Republic and yesterday I received a lot offers from Copa to fly SDQ-CLO for 305.00 rt, SDQ-SJO for 301.00 rt, SDQ-SAL for 315.00 rt, and SDQ-GUA for 312.00, also they has been sending me offers to fly to Quito and Guayaquil, all part of the Arajet's new destinations to launch. Aeromexico also had few weeks ago sales to CUN from SDQ for 230.00 rt.

SJOtoLIR · Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm

Caribbean007 wrote:
I'm from Dominican Republic and yesterday I received a lot offers from Copa to fly SDQ-CLO for 305.00 rt, SDQ-SJO for 301.00 rt, SDQ-SAL for 315.00 rt, and SDQ-GUA for 312.00, also they has been sending me offers to fly to Quito and Guayaquil, all part of the Arajet's new destinations to launch. Aeromexico also had few weeks ago sales to CUN from SDQ for 230.00 rt.

Given the upcoming new services that would be supplied by AraJet in Central America, the other airlines have matched their tickets, trying to pull them out of the scenario.

AraJet. IATA code: DM.

Regards.

copa330200 · Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:57 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Caribbean007 wrote:
I'm from Dominican Republic and yesterday I received a lot offers from Copa to fly SDQ-CLO for 305.00 rt, SDQ-SJO for 301.00 rt, SDQ-SAL for 315.00 rt, and SDQ-GUA for 312.00, also they has been sending me offers to fly to Quito and Guayaquil, all part of the Arajet's new destinations to launch. Aeromexico also had few weeks ago sales to CUN from SDQ for 230.00 rt.

Given the upcoming new services that would be supplied by AraJet in Central America, the other airlines have matched their tickets, trying to pull them out of the scenario..

that's a formal "Welcome" from current market operators :hyper:

Kilgen wrote:
Looks like no one has posted this yet.

Wingo Panama received its AOC on Aug 12. Via Tweeter: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1425936619811581958

Wingo is planning to fly to DAV in 2023, 7fx per week. It is opening HAV and SDQ in Sept and Oct of this year from BLB, 2fx weekly each. https://www.prensa.com/economia/wingo-c ... de-panama/

Also will start BAQ in Sep, 2fx per week from BLB. https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/08/wi ... -y-panama/

Also, Wingo will receive another B737-800, for a total of 9 B737-800.

Good additionos to DAV and also BLB .. hope more to come !! . I guess the additional 738 will come from CM

Caribbean007 · Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:22 pm

copa330200 wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
Caribbean007 wrote:
I'm from Dominican Republic and yesterday I received a lot offers from Copa to fly SDQ-CLO for 305.00 rt, SDQ-SJO for 301.00 rt, SDQ-SAL for 315.00 rt, and SDQ-GUA for 312.00, also they has been sending me offers to fly to Quito and Guayaquil, all part of the Arajet's new destinations to launch. Aeromexico also had few weeks ago sales to CUN from SDQ for 230.00 rt.

Given the upcoming new services that would be supplied by AraJet in Central America, the other airlines have matched their tickets, trying to pull them out of the scenario..

that's a formal "Welcome" from current market operators

Kilgen wrote:
Looks like no one has posted this yet.

Wingo Panama received its AOC on Aug 12. Via Tweeter: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1425936619811581958

Wingo is planning to fly to DAV in 2023, 7fx per week. It is opening HAV and SDQ in Sept and Oct of this year from BLB, 2fx weekly each. https://www.prensa.com/economia/wingo-c ... de-panama/

Also will start BAQ in Sep, 2fx per week from BLB. https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/08/wi ... -y-panama/

Also, Wingo will receive another B737-800, for a total of 9 B737-800.

Good additionos to DAV and also BLB .. hope more to come !! . I guess the additional 738 will come from CM

Well I was watching an interview to the Arajet CEO, he said when they launched salaes they had a sales for 2 days, and within 6 days they sold 10,000 tickets, some routes has already weeks soldout and for the routes that Dominicans do not need visas sales are balanced between citizens of both countries.

SJOtoLIR · Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:59 pm

Kilgen wrote:
Wingo is planning to fly to DAV in 2023, 7fx per week. It is opening HAV and SDQ in Sept and Oct of this year from BLB, 2fx weekly each.

Both P5 BLB-SDQ 2x weekly and P5 BLB-BAQ 2x weekly will start the same date: October 06.

Regards.

Caribbean007 · Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:39 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Kilgen wrote:
Wingo is planning to fly to DAV in 2023, 7fx per week. It is opening HAV and SDQ in Sept and Oct of this year from BLB, 2fx weekly each.

Both P5 BLB-SDQ 2x weekly and P5 BLB-BAQ 2x weekly will start the same date: October 06.

Regards.

Wingo requested special permit to Dominican Authorities as they are registred as Colombian Airline to fly BOG-BLB-SDQ-BLB-BOG and they are only allowed to make 51 flights (1 daily flight starting oct 6th 2022 and endding march 30th 2023)

AMP44 · Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:16 pm

Are the Wingo flights to DAV going take over from CM to PTY, or will they be additional flights?

2travel2know2 · Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:05 am

AMP44 wrote:
Are the Wingo flights to DAV going take over from CM to PTY, or will they be additional flights?

I’m surprised CM will fly Wingo PTY-DAV, as one of the major reasons CM re-started DAV was to link DAV to its hub.
Transfers between Wingo and CM @ will be a mess since Wingo doesn’t operate in T2.

AMP44 · Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:20 pm

2travel2know2 wrote:
AMP44 wrote:
Are the Wingo flights to DAV going take over from CM to PTY, or will they be additional flights?

I’m surprised CM will fly Wingo PTY-DAV, as one of the major reasons CM re-started DAV was to link DAV to its hub.
Transfers between Wingo and CM @ will be a mess since Wingo doesn’t operate in T2.

Wingo and CM connections would be impossible if they operate from BLB. I have hopes it will be an additional flight and CM will keep the PTY flights for connections.

A388 · Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:48 am

Any news on when the Copa retrojet 737-800 will start flying?

A388

asuflyer · Mon Aug 29, 2022 2:17 am

DL is cancelling LAX-PTY and reducing JFK-PTY to 1w. Unsurprising that they could not compete with CM.
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220828-dlsep22pty

SJOtoLIR · Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:03 pm

A388 wrote:
Any news on when the Copa retrojet 737-800 will start flying?

I've been searching lately more information about it.
No photos and detailed info have been released yet.
Back in the 90s, when that retro livery was active, the airline was named Copa Panama.

Regards.

SJOtoLIR · Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:09 pm

asuflyer wrote:
DL is cancelling LAX-PTY and reducing JFK-PTY to 1w.

CM PTY-ATL was the response for the launch of both DL LAX-PTY and DL JFK-PTY or vice versa.
All began in 2021, but I couldn't remember who started the fire...

Regards.

Chele737 · Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:32 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
asuflyer wrote:
DL is cancelling LAX-PTY and reducing JFK-PTY to 1w.

CM PTY-ATL was the response for the launch of both DL LAX-PTY and DL JFK-PTY or vice versa.
All began in 2021, but I couldn't remember who started the fire...

Regards.

And I believe DL already cancel MCOPTY as well, right? That was the other route DL used to have

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