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Virgin Atlantic News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:27 am

Welcome to the Virgin Atlantic News and Discussion thread - 2022 edition. Please continue to post your news and discussions below.

Link to the now locked 2021 edition:
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Re: Virgin Atlantic News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:35 pm

Is VS allowed to carry passengers from India to the US? India has travel bubble agreements with various countries for carrying passengers between the two countries but not clear if connections to the US are allowed.
KL and AF are allowed to carry passengers to the US if they have a DL codeshare, but not sure if VS can do it.
Anybody knows if VS can do the same?
 
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Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:37 pm

Wonder how VS will fair financially in 2022…
 
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Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:19 pm

by738 wrote:
Wonder how VS will fair financially in 2022…


Considering they just had £400m injected in them to shore up finances for the winter, pretty likely they expect large losses. Even a strong summer 2022, unlikely to wipe away the mounting red ink incurred now during the winter.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:51 pm

VS will codeshare with LATAM between LHR and GRU and 12 beyond Brazil markets.

https://corporate.virginatlantic.com/gb ... lines.html
 
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Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:51 am

LAXintl wrote:
VS will codeshare with LATAM between LHR and GRU and 12 beyond Brazil markets.

https://corporate.virginatlantic.com/gb ... lines.html


Small correction: the 12 other markets are in Brazil as well, the agreement does not cover any other markets in South America other than Brazil.

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Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:01 am

Makes some sense to promote agreements among “Delta partners”
Which lounge do LatAm passengers use at LHR-T3 since they dropped oneworld? Because this makes the perfect opportunity sign an agreement for ClubHouse access
 
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Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:31 pm

Aisak wrote:
Makes some sense to promote agreements among “Delta partners”
Which lounge do LatAm passengers use at LHR-T3 since they dropped oneworld? Because this makes the perfect opportunity sign an agreement for ClubHouse access


Unless it has changed over the past few weeks, LATAM clients continue to use the BA T3 lounge. And they continue to use Iberia's lounges at Madrid.
 
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Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:46 pm

dcajet wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
VS will codeshare with LATAM between LHR and GRU and 12 beyond Brazil markets.

https://corporate.virginatlantic.com/gb ... lines.html


Small correction: the 12 other markets are in Brazil as well, the agreement does not cover any other markets in South America other than Brazil.


:confused:

Thats what I said. GRU and 12 beyond Brazil markets.
 
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Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:39 am

LAXintl wrote:
dcajet wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
VS will codeshare with LATAM between LHR and GRU and 12 beyond Brazil markets.

https://corporate.virginatlantic.com/gb ... lines.html


Small correction: the 12 other markets are in Brazil as well, the agreement does not cover any other markets in South America other than Brazil.


:confused:

Thats what I said. GRU and 12 beyond Brazil markets.


He interpreted ”beyond Brazil markets” as not in Brazil bc they are beyond (a reasonable interpretation).
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:09 am

LAXintl wrote:
dcajet wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
VS will codeshare with LATAM between LHR and GRU and 12 beyond Brazil markets.

https://corporate.virginatlantic.com/gb ... lines.html


Small correction: the 12 other markets are in Brazil as well, the agreement does not cover any other markets in South America other than Brazil.


:confused:

Thats what I said. GRU and 12 beyond Brazil markets.


Did not mean to offend you. I interpreted "12 beyond Brazil markets" as literally beyond Brazil. Perhaps a Sao Paulo in between beyond and Brazil would have helped (as in "12 beyond Sao Paulo Brazil markets").
 
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Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:12 am

LAXintl wrote:
VS will codeshare with LATAM between LHR and GRU and 12 beyond Brazil markets.

https://corporate.virginatlantic.com/gb ... lines.html

Better than VS trying to launch basket-case South American routes of their own…
 
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Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:51 pm

…speaking of ambitious route launches, looks like BGI-EDI schedule has been curtailed and to stop in a few weeks. Will be interesting to see if they reattempt next winter in better weather. Still think premium heavy A330 too much for that sort of regional route
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:11 pm

by738 wrote:
Wonder how VS will fair financially in 2022…


They reckon they will be back in profit by 2023. This year will be a 'transition year' where losses will be 'narrowed significantly.'

Demand is strong and they have removed over £300m of costs since September 2020 after their capital injection.

Source: https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/vir ... -covid-hit
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:22 am

This might of been talked about before, if so please forgive me.

on 24th Apr Virgin operated VS615 MAN to CPT. Was this a charter? If so do we know who for and is there a return scheduled?

Thanks

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Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:45 pm

Latest A350 G-VLIB arrived at LHR today on delivery from TLS.
 
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Sun Jun 05, 2022 7:50 pm

CEO Shai Weiss announced he is undergoing treatment colon cancer. Says he plans to remain on the job.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... ack-brink/
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:51 pm

Virgin Atlantic employees can now have visible tattoos -
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/business ... index.html

This may be the first major airline in the world to allow tattoos to be shown
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:30 pm

Air New Zealand Air Canada and Westjet allow this
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:55 pm

cynlb wrote:
Virgin Atlantic employees can now have visible tattoos -
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/business ... index.html

This may be the first major airline in the world to allow tattoos to be shown


I dislike tattoos. I am surprised by this. Would I stop flying a particular carrier because of this? No, but I would hope I would not have to interact with anyone who has them.
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:58 pm

mrbonfire wrote:
by738 wrote:
Wonder how VS will fair financially in 2022…


They reckon they will be back in profit by 2023. This year will be a 'transition year' where losses will be 'narrowed significantly.'

Demand is strong and they have removed over £300m of costs since September 2020 after their capital injection.

Source: https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/vir ... -covid-hit


With the current mess at UK airports and with the mess forecasted to continue through the summer, I wonder how this will hamper its recovery.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:44 am

AEROFAN wrote:

With the current mess at UK airports and with the mess forecasted to continue through the summer, I wonder how this will hamper its recovery.


Indeed. CEO Chai Weiss said as much the other day. I think factor in inflation and the coming recession (if we're not already there) then this could dampen bookings for SS23.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:03 pm

AEROFAN wrote:
cynlb wrote:
Virgin Atlantic employees can now have visible tattoos -
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/business ... index.html

This may be the first major airline in the world to allow tattoos to be shown


I dislike tattoos. I am surprised by this. Would I stop flying a particular carrier because of this? No, but I would hope I would not have to interact with anyone who has them.


Quite a bigoted opinion, and an increasingly unpopular opinion to have in this ever changing world.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:07 pm

It may not be cool to have as an opinion.... but AEROFAN is far from being the only person with that opinion about tattoos. If I book something in J class, I don't expect to be served food with a tattoo covering the length of their arms
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:02 pm

I guess this new policy is one way of attracting more staff back, as otherwise more than half the young population would have been alienated.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:31 pm

For many tattoos look unprofessional and depending on what they are, potentially offensive.

My personal preference is a policy where they cannot be publicly seen and covered by the uniform to avoid the controversy.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:16 pm

LAXintl wrote:
For many tattoos look unprofessional and depending on what they are, potentially offensive.

My personal preference is a policy where they cannot be publicly seen and covered by the uniform to avoid the controversy.


This is what the policy used to be.

I suppose it doesn't matter. They don't look offensive to me just stupid and ironically conformist. Like a child's drawn all over their arm but I suppose the bearers of the tattoos feel they're somehow expressing some kind of unique identity.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:35 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
It may not be cool to have as an opinion.... but AEROFAN is far from being the only person with that opinion about tattoos. If I book something in J class, I don't expect to be served food with a tattoo covering the length of their arms


Do you question the colour of the nails on the hand? The jewellery they wear?

How about your postman? Or Tesco staff? What does it matter. You might wear an orange jumper that someone objects to it doesn’t mean you can’t do your job.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:47 pm

If the service is stellar and with a genuine smile, I don’t give two hoots if tatts or not.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:34 pm

by738 wrote:
If the service is stellar and with a genuine smile, I don’t give two hoots if tatts or not.


Thank you.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:11 pm

by738 wrote:
If the service is stellar and with a genuine smile, I don’t give two hoots if tatts or not.


This....

It shouldn't make a blind bit of difference, while I am not sure people are advocating for face tattoo's or ones of a questionable subject matte nature etc. there are many folks that have them that should not decry their value as a person or their ability to do the job they are being paid/asked to do, while she is not a flight attendant, my wife would fit into that category. She has plenty of them, but none of them would cause a problem to anyone looking at them, they are all about her life journey and milestones/challenges within that journey

If anything in many cases, it might just lead to friendlier skies as questions/comments may arise if people like them. I understand it can go both ways, but this is not the 80's, there's much less of a stigma than there used to be. I don't have them, because frankly i don't want to deal with the pain of getting them and i'm just not that way wired. But I have hired people with them in the past and have 0 qualms about doing so again in the future.
 
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Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:26 pm

BOOM….
Great answer VS4ever.
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2022 2:16 am

Curious, is there any talk of VS eyeing BNA as a future destination? With the success of AUS, I would have to think so, as BNA is pretty similar to AUS except on a slightly smaller scale.

Branson had hinted at VS coming to BNA at the groundbreaking of the Virgin hotel back in 2017 (just after BA announced BNA), but I think that was just for publicity. Nevertheless, with BNA opening a new state of the art FIS facility next year and the ongoing rapid growth in the area, I’d have to think VS is thinking about it.
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:21 pm

Will VS consider restarting EWR?
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:37 pm

What sort of cargo is the Titan A321 shunting LHR-BRU and visa versa?
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:31 pm

If you are paying over $2,000 for something which you could buy for under $1,000, then people have higher expectations on service and appearance. Those grooming rules for customer facing employees are there because pax have expectations on appearances. You could allow cabin crew to wear T shirts and ripped jeans and I imagine cabin crew would be very happy, but J class pax are going to wonder why they are paying a premium fare

Long haul airlines depend on premium fare pax to make a profit... and they do this by promoting a very hierarchical environment for pax. Pax are strongly encouraged to pay a premium fare, with all the implicit suggestions that J class pax get something superior, despite Y class pax arriving at the same time. Despite claims not to... sexy looking cabin crew images are still used to sell tickets. People who can afford J class really do judge people on appearances... and will take business elsewhere if they don't like the image, despite saying publicly "yeah, whatever". In London... some (but not all) people on the Tube (or subway) really will avoid sitting near somebody who is very obese... simply because they are the opposite of eye-candy

Society does have hierarchy, however much we wish otherwise... and those in powerful positions are frequently not open with what they are thinking when asked, however much they may claim otherwise. It's sometimes easier to say something that is politically correct but later do something entirely different, rather say what you think, and avoid a time consuming immediate argument. The world is neither a fair nor an honest place
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:50 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
If you are paying over $2,000 for something which you could buy for under $1,000, then people have higher expectations on service and appearance. Those grooming rules for customer facing employees are there because pax have expectations on appearances. You could allow cabin crew to wear T shirts and ripped jeans and I imagine cabin crew would be very happy, but J class pax are going to wonder why they are paying a premium fare

Long haul airlines depend on premium fare pax to make a profit... and they do this by promoting a very hierarchical environment for pax. Pax are strongly encouraged to pay a premium fare, with all the implicit suggestions that J class pax get something superior, despite Y class pax arriving at the same time. Despite claims not to... sexy looking cabin crew images are still used to sell tickets. People who can afford J class really do judge people on appearances... and will take business elsewhere if they don't like the image, despite saying publicly "yeah, whatever". In London... some (but not all) people on the Tube (or subway) really will avoid sitting near somebody who is very obese... simply because they are the opposite of eye-candy

Society does have hierarchy, however much we wish otherwise... and those in powerful positions are frequently not open with what they are thinking when asked, however much they may claim otherwise. It's sometimes easier to say something that is politically correct but later do something entirely different, rather say what you think, and avoid a time consuming immediate argument. The world is neither a fair nor an honest place


So airlines shouldn't hire fat people. I guess maybe only white people, too, because premium pax could be racist so we don't want to offend them. Your position is quite the slippery slope.
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2022 11:02 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
If you are paying over $2,000 for something which you could buy for under $1,000, then people have higher expectations on service and appearance. Those grooming rules for customer facing employees are there because pax have expectations on appearances. You could allow cabin crew to wear T shirts and ripped jeans and I imagine cabin crew would be very happy, but J class pax are going to wonder why they are paying a premium fare

Long haul airlines depend on premium fare pax to make a profit... and they do this by promoting a very hierarchical environment for pax. Pax are strongly encouraged to pay a premium fare, with all the implicit suggestions that J class pax get something superior, despite Y class pax arriving at the same time. Despite claims not to... sexy looking cabin crew images are still used to sell tickets. People who can afford J class really do judge people on appearances... and will take business elsewhere if they don't like the image, despite saying publicly "yeah, whatever". In London... some (but not all) people on the Tube (or subway) really will avoid sitting near somebody who is very obese... simply because they are the opposite of eye-candy

Society does have hierarchy, however much we wish otherwise... and those in powerful positions are frequently not open with what they are thinking when asked, however much they may claim otherwise. It's sometimes easier to say something that is politically correct but later do something entirely different, rather say what you think, and avoid a time consuming immediate argument. The world is neither a fair nor an honest place


So airlines shouldn't hire fat people. I guess maybe only white people, too, because premium pax could be racist so we don't want to offend them. Your position is quite the slippery slope.


Until countries had laws that forbade discrimination based on skin colour (or risk being sued for unlimited amounts of money).... white people really were hired more for better paying jobs - see the history of the civil rights movement. It was not because employers suddenly turned egalitarian.... it was to avoid expensive lawsuits. AFAIK, neither being fat-or-thin or tattoo-state is a protected characteristic against discrimination by employers when choosing who to hire. If you really want tattoos not to be discriminated against by airlines.... you need to campaign for civil rights for tattooed people.

Ask yourself what you think some hiring managers in airlines do when choosing who to hire as cabin crew, especially when there are multiple candidates with similiar levels of competency.
 
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Fri Jun 10, 2022 4:47 am

VS already making AUS daily in 2023.
 
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Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:46 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
If you are paying over $2,000 for something which you could buy for under $1,000, then people have higher expectations on service and appearance. Those grooming rules for customer facing employees are there because pax have expectations on appearances. You could allow cabin crew to wear T shirts and ripped jeans and I imagine cabin crew would be very happy, but J class pax are going to wonder why they are paying a premium fare

Long haul airlines depend on premium fare pax to make a profit... and they do this by promoting a very hierarchical environment for pax. Pax are strongly encouraged to pay a premium fare, with all the implicit suggestions that J class pax get something superior, despite Y class pax arriving at the same time. Despite claims not to... sexy looking cabin crew images are still used to sell tickets. People who can afford J class really do judge people on appearances... and will take business elsewhere if they don't like the image, despite saying publicly "yeah, whatever". In London... some (but not all) people on the Tube (or subway) really will avoid sitting near somebody who is very obese... simply because they are the opposite of eye-candy

Society does have hierarchy, however much we wish otherwise... and those in powerful positions are frequently not open with what they are thinking when asked, however much they may claim otherwise. It's sometimes easier to say something that is politically correct but later do something entirely different, rather say what you think, and avoid a time consuming immediate argument. The world is neither a fair nor an honest place


Indeed it does have a hierarchy and that’s why there is a need for legislation to protect against discrimination. However it’s a very slippery slope to suggest that J pax prefer their staff to be presented in a certain way. A good deal probably don’t care. I certainly don’t and regularly travel in J. If there was a Saudi passenger should the crew be arranged so he doesn’t have to interact with gay crew? Or should I be allowed to object to crews haircut or the type of glasses they wear? Or refuse to be served by crew with a geordie accent because it isn’t premium enough for me?

This is also not like VS in actively going out to recruit tattooed staff. Most of these staff have been serving passengers for years just with a long sleeve shirt on or jumper.

It’s nice to see a carrier leading from the front. This won’t change the world but it will make some people a lot more comfortable doing their job. They will still adhere to the same uniform as other staff so I see no reason to object.
 
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Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:33 am

VS4ever wrote:
by738 wrote:
If the service is stellar and with a genuine smile, I don’t give two hoots if tatts or not.


This....

It shouldn't make a blind bit of difference, while I am not sure people are advocating for face tattoo's or ones of a questionable subject matte nature etc. there are many folks that have them that should not decry their value as a person or their ability to do the job they are being paid/asked to do, while she is not a flight attendant, my wife would fit into that category. She has plenty of them, but none of them would cause a problem to anyone looking at them, they are all about her life journey and milestones/challenges within that journey

If anything in many cases, it might just lead to friendlier skies as questions/comments may arise if people like them. I understand it can go both ways, but this is not the 80's, there's much less of a stigma than there used to be. I don't have them, because frankly i don't want to deal with the pain of getting them and i'm just not that way wired. But I have hired people with them in the past and have 0 qualms about doing so again in the future.


Great post.

My company recently made a change to a policy very similar to VS's. We have seen zero comments, complaints or push back from our guests.

As someone who spends way to much time sitting up front, I really do not connect tattoos with a premium service, it just doesn't connect with me, VS service up front has for the most part been good to stellar and I don't see that changing because of this policy change.
 
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Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:58 am

jetwet1 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
by738 wrote:
If the service is stellar and with a genuine smile, I don’t give two hoots if tatts or not.


This....

It shouldn't make a blind bit of difference, while I am not sure people are advocating for face tattoo's or ones of a questionable subject matte nature etc. there are many folks that have them that should not decry their value as a person or their ability to do the job they are being paid/asked to do, while she is not a flight attendant, my wife would fit into that category. She has plenty of them, but none of them would cause a problem to anyone looking at them, they are all about her life journey and milestones/challenges within that journey

If anything in many cases, it might just lead to friendlier skies as questions/comments may arise if people like them. I understand it can go both ways, but this is not the 80's, there's much less of a stigma than there used to be. I don't have them, because frankly i don't want to deal with the pain of getting them and i'm just not that way wired. But I have hired people with them in the past and have 0 qualms about doing so again in the future.


Great post.

My company recently made a change to a policy very similar to VS's. We have seen zero comments, complaints or push back from our guests.
Thank you for your comment. In this era of rage, people will not openly complain about anything for fear of being labeled - Nazi, racist, Pol Pot sympathizer (fill in the blank). Just because you or your company does not receive complaints does not necessarily mean that they support the new policy.

As someone who spends way to much time sitting up front, I really do not connect tattoos with a premium service, it just doesn't connect with me, VS service up front has for the most part been good to stellar and I don't see that changing because of this policy change.
 
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Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:04 pm

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…speaking of ambitious route launches, looks like BGI-EDI schedule has been curtailed and to stop in a few weeks. Will be interesting to see if they reattempt next winter in better weather. Still think premium heavy A330 too much for that sort of regional route


Now been cancelled for this coming winter. I guess anyone booked on will be re-routed through MAN or LHR.

It's fair point about premium-heavy A330s, but VS don't really have any other aircraft configured with less J seats besides the most recent/upcoming A350 deliveries (which is then offset by having more Y seats) or smaller aircraft now the A330-200s have been PWFU. I also thought the few months that it did operate was hampered by the short notice of the route being launched combined with the last-minute Omicron restrictions that were prevalent at the time.

Another route that was announced (or announced for re-starting) but now not happening is LHR-HAV.
 
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Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:38 pm

jetwet1 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
by738 wrote:
If the service is stellar and with a genuine smile, I don’t give two hoots if tatts or not.


This....

It shouldn't make a blind bit of difference, while I am not sure people are advocating for face tattoo's or ones of a questionable subject matte nature etc. there are many folks that have them that should not decry their value as a person or their ability to do the job they are being paid/asked to do, while she is not a flight attendant, my wife would fit into that category. She has plenty of them, but none of them would cause a problem to anyone looking at them, they are all about her life journey and milestones/challenges within that journey

If anything in many cases, it might just lead to friendlier skies as questions/comments may arise if people like them. I understand it can go both ways, but this is not the 80's, there's much less of a stigma than there used to be. I don't have them, because frankly i don't want to deal with the pain of getting them and i'm just not that way wired. But I have hired people with them in the past and have 0 qualms about doing so again in the future.


Great post.

My company recently made a change to a policy very similar to VS's. We have seen zero comments, complaints or push back from our guests.

As someone who spends way to much time sitting up front, I really do not connect tattoos with a premium service, it just doesn't connect with me, VS service up front has for the most part been good to stellar and I don't see that changing because of this policy change.

Thank you for your comment. However, just because you or your company has not received any complaints or push back does not necessarily mean that customers agree with a change in policy (e.g. grooming standards). In this era in which we live, and as just indicated with a previous above comment, if you do not agree with tattoos, then of course you do not like people of color, gays, women, men, flowers, etc.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:38 pm

Are there any numbers on how many VS passengers to/from London are O&D from U.S. airports (specifically Delta hub airports) and how many are connecting to Delta flights?

Curious to know here, as I am making my first trip to London with DL & VS, connecting at SEA going and JFK returning...an unusual itinerary, but it's one that puts me on a 787 and an A350, which will be my first trip on both types. Delta made it very easy to select, and I'm hoping the connections are as seamless as possible.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:31 am

Why is VS so dead set on not returning to EWR?
 
SueD
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Re: Virgin Atlantic News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:03 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Why is VS so dead set on not returning to EWR?


They may in 2023 however let’s face reality , with the JV indeed significant ownership by Delta and the DL hub presence at JFK what’s the incentive of operating into United land by the container port to be honest ?
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:12 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Why is VS so dead set on not returning to EWR?

Because it’s EWR. Not much else needs to be said.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:15 am

sea13 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Why is VS so dead set on not returning to EWR?

Because it’s EWR. Not much else needs to be said.

I agree sorry but is not all that great.
 
AAMDanny
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Re: Virgin Atlantic News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 7:45 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Why is VS so dead set on not returning to EWR?


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Putting all their eggs into one basket at JFK also offers the synergies of the connections that DL offer.
It might return one day...

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