mark1484 wrote:

Nonrevhell wrote:

777 enroute from HKG to MCI

Which frame?

N827KW

Side note, todays proving flight was CXL for MX (already lol)

Womp womp...

MO11 wrote:

PHLspecial wrote:

MO11 wrote:

I believe you mean "Proving Flights".

What are these proving flights for? The aircraft itself or for the airline to prove itself?

In this case, the airline to prove it can operate this type of aircraft. It already "proved itself" with the 767s.

121.163(b)

Proving tests for kinds of operations. Unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator, for each type of airplane, a certificate holder must conduct at least 50 hours of proving tests acceptable to the Administrator for each kind of operation it intends to conduct, including a representative number of flights into en route airports.

Well I guess Eastern needs to use the 777 at some point. No idea what their intentions are.

N771KW busy running to and from MCI on proving flights.
N7827KW back from HKG after what we think was MX.

The B767-300 fleet looks to be steady.

Are things looking up at Eastern?

This morning’s proving run from MCI to SEA diverted to OMA

mark1484 wrote:

N771KW busy running to and from MCI on proving flights.
N7827KW back from HKG after what we think was MX.

The B767-300 fleet looks to be steady.

Are things looking up at Eastern?

Do they even have enough staff to even daily flights? I'm confused here is PHL going to get new flights or is JFK still the focus?

Proving runs are a test of all airline departments.
They have to fly 100 hours with the FAA observing all facets of the operation. Pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, dispatchers, operations, everything...

Could the diversion be part at the proving flights?

Armchairpilot wrote:

Proving runs are a test of all airline departments.
They have to fly 100 hours with the FAA observing all facets of the operation. Pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, dispatchers, operations, everything...

100 hours is for initial qualification, not each airplane type.

mark1484 wrote:

Could the diversion be part at the proving flights?

Yes.

Given their history, would you let them by at the minimum?

I believe that they have 100 hours scheduled, that may be reduced...

Doing a dummy booking on their website I see they plan to start/resume services between Miami and Santo Domingo on December 23rd. Looks like it's one flight a month for now

Word going around that they had an AOG “incident” in CHO flying in from MIA, not sure what it was but it was the patriots Main bird N36NE

73790 wrote:

Word going around that they had an AOG “incident” in CHO flying in from MIA, not sure what it was but it was the patriots Main bird N36NE

The Patriots back-up bird (225NE) has been sitting in SFB for about a month now

73790 wrote:

777 Approval Runs have started 771 the 1st 777 doing the trips…

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N771KW

...two and a half years after they had painted it.
Whats about Eastern Airlines and their freighter venture, concentrating on older generation T-7? As quiet as a graveyard. I wonder who has such deep pockets to keep this strange operation (one foot or so;-) over water.

73790 wrote:

The comment section on this article are pretty eye opening, lots and lots of insight it seems to the internal operation.

It’s 100% worth a read at the comments, not the article.

https://onemileatatime.com/insights/eastern-airlines/

Wow. Its a long time that I read such bad comments about an airline which barely can be called one. Tower Air in its last year comes to my mind, or a personal experience with ATA/American Trans Air in the days they operated rotten ex-DL Tristars.

73790 wrote:

Word going around that they had an AOG “incident” in CHO flying in from MIA, not sure what it was but it was the patriots Main bird N36NE

Hope it wasn’t anything severe. It was carrying the UVA football team after attending the funeral of their teammate in Miami who was fatally killed a few weeks back. Patriots had leant the aircraft to UVA for funeral transportation for the team

gdavis003 wrote:

73790 wrote:

Word going around that they had an AOG “incident” in CHO flying in from MIA, not sure what it was but it was the patriots Main bird N36NE

Hope it wasn’t anything severe. It was carrying the UVA football team after attending the funeral of their teammate in Miami who was fatally killed a few weeks back. Patriots had leant the aircraft to UVA for funeral transportation for the team

Tailstrike is the word out there.

PHLspecial wrote:

Well I guess Eastern needs to use the 777 at some point. No idea what their intentions are.

sadly they need to figure out what they are doing with the current fleet, one would think!

na wrote:

Tower Air in its last year comes to my mind, or a personal experience with ATA/American Trans Air in the days they operated rotten ex-DL Tristars.

So painful to see ATA put in the same sentence with Tower Air. Tower Air was garbage. ATA was an airline that I liked a lot. And I wouldn't put their piloting/operational skills in the boat with Tower or Eastern either. They did decades of military charter with very-high evaluation scores from AMC, and their pilots and operations people had massive experience through two+ wars and everything in between flying into godforsaken places like it was a trip from LGA-ORD. I had a few friends there, and they were a good bunch.

Perhaps the tailstrike will finally persuade the Kraft/Patriots people that you can't hire your CMI operator based on some personal inter-rich-people relationship established at some cocktail party. They had had ATSG doing their maintenance, and it would have been nothing to have ATI or Omni operate and staff their aircraft -- to a much-higher standard than they are getting with Eastern. They also could have considered using Atlas.

Some people have to learn the hard way. At least Arizona understood not to go with Eastern. They, too, could have benefitted from working with Omni or Atlas.

73790 wrote:

gdavis003 wrote:

73790 wrote:

Word going around that they had an AOG “incident” in CHO flying in from MIA, not sure what it was but it was the patriots Main bird N36NE

Hope it wasn’t anything severe. It was carrying the UVA football team after attending the funeral of their teammate in Miami who was fatally killed a few weeks back. Patriots had leant the aircraft to UVA for funeral transportation for the team

Tailstrike is the word out there.

l


It flew to Charleston, SC yesterday as EAL3505 and returned home to KPVD this morning so at least it's still flying.

771 went to Shannon and back...

Bigant0408 wrote:

Doing a dummy booking on their website I see they plan to start/resume services between Miami and Santo Domingo on December 23rd. Looks like it's one flight a month for now

a couple of weeks ago I think JFK-Guayaquil or Quito was also bookable once a month as well, but I don't see it now. They also didn't make mention of it like they do on their homepage for the Miami -Santo Domingo route.

na wrote:

73790 wrote:

The comment section on this article are pretty eye opening, lots and lots of insight it seems to the internal operation.

It’s 100% worth a read at the comments, not the article.

https://onemileatatime.com/insights/eastern-airlines/

Wow. Its a long time that I read such bad comments about an airline which barely can be called one. Tower Air in its last year comes to my mind, or a personal experience with ATA/American Trans Air in the days they operated rotten ex-DL Tristars.

In my opinion, several of the comments seem to be from the same person with different usernames.
Lots of assorted conspiracy theory ones mixed in as well
speculation of reasons for their service.

The only part that seemed consistent is their maintenance program isn't up to par.

I don't doubt that it is a poorly run operation, I'm not sure you can glean a lot of verifiable information.

spinkid wrote:

Bigant0408 wrote:

Doing a dummy booking on their website I see they plan to start/resume services between Miami and Santo Domingo on December 23rd. Looks like it's one flight a month for now

a couple of weeks ago I think JFK-Guayaquil or Quito was also bookable once a month as well, but I don't see it now. They also didn't make mention of it like they do on their homepage for the Miami -Santo Domingo route.

Yea, I saw that route was originally bookable but now removed.

ANC today....

Eastern, ready to fleece new customers in Latin America:

* Service to Santo Domingo SDQ begins on 23DEC, operated on a once-a-month basis with the 212-seat 767-200.

* Service between New York and Guayaquil is no longer available; MIA-SDQ will become the airline's only regularly scheduled service.

https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/12/ea ... o-domingo/

lot of changes at EAL today, surprised you aren't all in the loop already

777 has been approved by the FAA I am told, they have successfully passed the proving runs.

Flygirrrl wrote:

lot of changes at EAL today, surprised you aren't all in the loop already

What changes have occurred?

Bigant0408 wrote:

Flygirrrl wrote:

lot of changes at EAL today, surprised you aren't all in the loop already

What changes have occurred?

Fired a massive amount of folks in one day…. unable to confirm a number, but I’m hearing more then 10+

73790 wrote:

Bigant0408 wrote:

Flygirrrl wrote:

lot of changes at EAL today, surprised you aren't all in the loop already

What changes have occurred?

Fired a massive amount of folks in one day…. unable to confirm a number, but I’m hearing more then 10+

so half the company was fired?

73790 wrote:

Bigant0408 wrote:

Flygirrrl wrote:

lot of changes at EAL today, surprised you aren't all in the loop already

What changes have occurred?

Fired a massive amount of folks in one day…. unable to confirm a number, but I’m hearing more then 10+

Needless to say I'm not surprised smh. How is the company still alive at this point

dcajet wrote:

Eastern, ready to fleece new customers in Latin America:

* Service to Santo Domingo SDQ begins on 23DEC, operated on a once-a-month basis with the 212-seat 767-200.

* Service between New York and Guayaquil is no longer available; MIA-SDQ will become the airline's only regularly scheduled service.

https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/12/ea ... o-domingo/

I don't see this being viable long term as:
From the U.S. P.O.S:
- AA (MIA based, but also well entrenched into the SDQ P.O.S),
...and Frontier doing well, on the same route (capturing any LCC traffic on the U.S. POS, and also serving SDQ-SJU/TPA/MCO) thus a valid option for any Floridian traveller/help with IRROPS.
...as well as Spirit (SDQ-MIA and SDQ-FLL)
...as well as JetBlue (SDQ-FLL, and does quite well here).

...and I'll add that for the South Floridian based traveller, AA (and/or) B6 helps with trips to key corridors (and that's past the NEA), and crucially with earning FF points which further entrenches their customers and their positions.

From the SDQ P.O.S:
- SDQ also hosts RedAir (L5)
...and Sky High (DO)
...and the missing ingredient is to see how Arajet will expand (into MIA, FLL, MCO, TPA and/or potentially PBI) at lower costs (than American competitors) and certainly would enter at better frequencies.

While I see what Eastern is hoping for (and perhaps there is a corporate/cargo contract) - I don't see how they can execute here, where they have retreated from other markets in which they would have held greater marketshare. Even a rock-bottom prices, what effect will once-a-month serve? Best of luck!

Tons of people let go with zero input from the departments I heard. Department heads found out afterwards in some cases. Only a handful of VPs were involved in the decision, and they didn't even know what the people they were cutting did. VP of OPs walked. An unqualified and unapproved DO is running the show now. This after saying they wanted to hire a ton of pilots and throwing money around on leasing more space for expansion. No one at the top has any idea what they are doing. Everyone left is just trying to get out before the whole thing goes bust.

Yesterday a piece on Simple Flying had this line about Eastern

The airline has adapted to an ever-changing market allowing it to survive and thrive.

Talk about the author being ignorant.

https://simpleflying.com/eastern-airlin ... o-domingo/

Rajahdhani wrote:

dcajet wrote:

Eastern, ready to fleece new customers in Latin America:

* Service to Santo Domingo SDQ begins on 23DEC, operated on a once-a-month basis with the 212-seat 767-200.

* Service between New York and Guayaquil is no longer available; MIA-SDQ will become the airline's only regularly scheduled service.

https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/12/ea ... o-domingo/

I don't see this being viable long term as:
From the U.S. P.O.S:
- AA (MIA based, but also well entrenched into the SDQ P.O.S),
...and Frontier doing well, on the same route (capturing any LCC traffic on the U.S. POS, and also serving SDQ-SJU/TPA/MCO) thus a valid option for any Floridian traveller/help with IRROPS.
...as well as Spirit (SDQ-MIA and SDQ-FLL)
...as well as JetBlue (SDQ-FLL, and does quite well here).

...and I'll add that for the South Floridian based traveller, AA (and/or) B6 helps with trips to key corridors (and that's past the NEA), and crucially with earning FF points which further entrenches their customers and their positions.

From the SDQ P.O.S:
- SDQ also hosts RedAir (L5)
...and Sky High (DO)
...and the missing ingredient is to see how Arajet will expand (into MIA, FLL, MCO, TPA and/or potentially PBI) at lower costs (than American competitors) and certainly would enter at better frequencies.

While I see what Eastern is hoping for (and perhaps there is a corporate/cargo contract) - I don't see how they can execute here, where they have retreated from other markets in which they would have held greater marketshare. Even a rock-bottom prices, what effect will once-a-month serve? Best of luck!

I think at this point once a month on this route must be some sort of place holder for some kind of regulation. They must have to maintain some kind of scheduled service to appease something. It could be anything from slots, gate space at either airport, funding, something in the U.S.-D.R., Bilateral???, crew minimum flight hours and since it is a route so well covered they are bound to sell some seats since there is enough to go around.

Then again, with this airline, who knows?

dcajet wrote:

Eastern, ready to fleece new customers in Latin America:

* Service to Santo Domingo SDQ begins on 23DEC, operated on a once-a-month basis with the 212-seat 767-200.

I LOVE the marketing of the airline, well done!!
"Free 1st sporting equipment" and shown is a snowboard and a bobble hat... Didn't know (yet) that the Dominican Republic is famous for winter sports...

https://iflyea.com/

When your website has to state specifically what specific route and date is available for sale, I’m thinking you’re not going to see many bookings.

EA CO AS wrote:

When your website has to state specifically what specific route and date is available for sale, I’m thinking you’re not going to see many bookings.

How many years now have they followed the same modus operandi of announcing routes and never starting them? And the ones they start make almost no commercial sense and end up disappearing with no explanation soon after. And let's not get into the operational disaster, bordering illegality, that they are. So, what gives? Has no regulator. anywhere, got wind of this hot mess of an airline and decided to see what is under the covers? Very strange....

dcajet wrote:

EA CO AS wrote:

When your website has to state specifically what specific route and date is available for sale, I’m thinking you’re not going to see many bookings.

How many years now have they followed the same modus operandi of announcing routes and never starting them? And the ones they start make almost no commercial sense and end up disappearing with no explanation soon after. And let's not get into the operational disaster, bordering illegality, that they are. So, what gives? Has no regulator. anywhere, got wind of this hot mess of an airline and decided to see what is under the covers? Very strange....

Heard this past weekend, they dispatched an aircraft to LGW to avoid an Illegal dispatch to SNN due to the TAF/METAR. Once closer to SNN, they just simply diverted.

If you do some research, they even filed to LGW. I don’t know how this looks legally, but sounds illegal.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N70 ... /KIND/EGKK

LGW apparently got wind of this and said if they attempted to land without a slot, and ground handling they would of impounded the airplane.

Lets say you are a single or couple planning a vacation in the DR. Having prepaid for the hotel resort, and having requested PTO at work, now its all up to an unreliable airline. And you have to commit your plans to their return flight. What about a family going down? you are also depending on getting back to work on time. So, the question is: who is even taking the risk to book and pay for a flight?
This is not like Apple vacations where flight and hotel were all part of same package.

It’s almost like someone said it was impossible to make the name of the original Eastern worse than it was when they were at their worst, and Dynamic came along and said, “Hold my beer.”

stewartg wrote:

Lets say you are a single or couple planning a vacation in the DR. Having prepaid for the hotel resort, and having requested PTO at work, now its all up to an unreliable airline. And you have to commit your plans to their return flight. What about a family going down? you are also depending on getting back to work on time. So, the question is: who is even taking the risk to book and pay for a flight?
This is not like Apple vacations where flight and hotel were all part of same package.

And let's not forget a bunch of new Dominican entrants into the DR - US market, such as Skycana, RED AIr and Arajet, targeting the ethnic and VFR markets.

So here come these clowns with their hideous reputation preceding them and think that offering a once-a-month flight will garner any attention or move any needle at all? IDK...

910A wrote:

Yesterday a piece on Simple Flying had this line about Eastern

The airline has adapted to an ever-changing market allowing it to survive and thrive.

Talk about the author being ignorant.

https://simpleflying.com/eastern-airlin ... o-domingo/

Simple Flying is pretty lame, so if follows...

N605KW heading back to Miami from Lima

dcajet wrote:

And let's not forget a bunch of new Dominican entrants into the DR - US market, such as Skycana, RED AIr and Arajet, targeting the ethnic and VFR markets.

Don't forget Sky High flying Santo Domingo to Miami!

https://skyhighdominicana.com/en/

Cant even run on time....... smh https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N605KW

73790 wrote:

Cant even run on time....... smh https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N605KW

The only newsworthy thing about Eastern's ops would be if they were running on time...

Its pretty news worthy that they made the flight! Any bets on the return?

N605NW on her way back.
I wonder how many passengers are on the flight?