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Wneast wrote:WN route predictions for the new year ?
ADent wrote:Wneast wrote:WN route predictions for the new year ?
Not much until the 737-7 is certified.
Wneast wrote:ADent wrote:Wneast wrote:WN route predictions for the new year ?
Not much until the 737-7 is certified.
Let’s hope that is sooner rather then later
ADent wrote:Wneast wrote:WN route predictions for the new year ?
Not much until the 737-7 is certified.
Wneast wrote:WN route predictions for the new year ?
southwest1675 wrote:BNA-COS?
Wneast wrote:https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/news/21252360/boise-airport-offers-new-flights-hopes-to-add-tropical-destinations WN should take advantage of this and one of the top growing cities BOI
Jshank83 wrote:Wneast wrote:https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/news/21252360/boise-airport-offers-new-flights-hopes-to-add-tropical-destinations WN should take advantage of this and one of the top growing cities BOI
A little surprised they aren’t bringing back BOI-MDW. Would think that doesn’t bode all that well for anything east is that.
Wneast wrote:Jshank83 wrote:Wneast wrote:https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/news/21252360/boise-airport-offers-new-flights-hopes-to-add-tropical-destinations WN should take advantage of this and one of the top growing cities BOI
A little surprised they aren’t bringing back BOI-MDW. Would think that doesn’t bode all that well for anything east is that.
Yeah those loads were pretty good along with SNA and I had heard that was getting added back this month but it didn’t ? MDW has been brought back twice and hasn’t stayed for some reason even with good loads
FlyingSicilian wrote:Hobby is the first five star airport in North America per Skytrax:
https://www.khou.com/amp/article/news/l ... 6408d9854b
While WN is not the only player at HOU they are the biggest by far of course so this news could only help them I presume.
jplatts wrote:ADent wrote:Wneast wrote:WN route predictions for the new year ?
Not much until the 737-7 is certified.
WN is going to be dropping the following routes in June 2022:
DAL-SDF/MSP
DEN-CLT/RIC
HOU-CVG/DTW/MKE/MSP
TPA-RIC
DCA-JAX
IAD-MCO
WN will also be reducing DEN-CVG/GRR/BDL/JAX/ORF nonstop service to Saturday-only starting on 6/4/2022 and resuming DEN-ALB nonstop service on a Saturday-only basis starting on 6/11/2022.
I would likely expect WN to re-add daily nonstop service to DEN from ALB, CLT, CVG, GRR, BDL, JAX, ORF, and RIC once WN has more planes in its fleet with WN's plans to significantly expand at DEN.
One reason why WN was dropping some routes and reducing some others to Saturday-only in June 2022 is due to the fleet shortages that WN is facing with the delays in getting the 737 MAX 7 into service.
SteveXC500 wrote:They’ve done just fine in MSP, but they certainly don’t mind dropping routes. Down to 21 departures to just 7 cities. Cant support a LAS daily? OAK gone. Now HOU/DAL? Sad for MSP customers because it’s less and less competition.
Jshank83 wrote:Wneast wrote:https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/news/21252360/boise-airport-offers-new-flights-hopes-to-add-tropical-destinations WN should take advantage of this and one of the top growing cities BOI
A little surprised they aren’t bringing back BOI-MDW. Would think that doesn’t bode all that well for anything east is that.
jplatts wrote:SteveXC500 wrote:They’ve done just fine in MSP, but they certainly don’t mind dropping routes. Down to 21 departures to just 7 cities. Cant support a LAS daily? OAK gone. Now HOU/DAL? Sad for MSP customers because it’s less and less competition.
WN is facing a fleet shortage due to delays in getting the 737 MAX 7 into service, and WN was dropping some routes that had enough demand for nonstop service from its Summer 2022 flight schedules due to the fleet shortages that WN is facing.
MSP can likely support the return of WN MSP-LAS nonstop service with the WN hub at LAS along with the additional connecting opportunities that are now there to FAT, LGB, PSP, SBA, and Hawaii through LAS.
There are also some other adds that could be made by WN out of LAS once WN has more planes in its fleet such as (a) the addition of LAS-CVG/MEM nonstop service, (b) the return of LAS-BHM/FLL/JAX/LIT/ORF/PHL/RDU nonstop service, and (c) the increase of LAS-BUF/CLE/DSM/DTW/SDF/ICT nonstop service back to daily nonstop service.
Jshank83 wrote:How many less planes do they have than summer 2019. You would think with the MAX grounded they wouldn’t be down planes even with the MAX7s not here yet.
jplatts wrote:Jshank83 wrote:How many less planes do they have than summer 2019. You would think with the MAX grounded they wouldn’t be down planes even with the MAX7s not here yet.
WN currently has 17 more planes in service than it did in Summer 2019, with WN currently having 737 planes in service vs. the 720 planes that WN had in service in Summer 2019.
WN also has more nonstop service to Hawaii from the contiguous U.S. than it did in Summer 2019.
WN has also added or resumed service to 18 additional domestic destinations since Fall 2020, including BLI, BZN, ORD, COS, VPS, EUG, FAT, HDN, IAH, JAN, MIA, MTJ, MYR, PSP, SBA, SRQ, SAV, and SYR.
There are also some other stations that have more WN flights in Summer 2022 than in Summer 2019 such as AMA, AUS, DSM, LGB, MAF, PWM, RIC, and ICT.
Jshank83 wrote:jplatts wrote:Jshank83 wrote:How many less planes do they have than summer 2019. You would think with the MAX grounded they wouldn’t be down planes even with the MAX7s not here yet.
WN currently has 17 more planes in service than it did in Summer 2019, with WN currently having 737 planes in service vs. the 720 planes that WN had in service in Summer 2019.
WN also has more nonstop service to Hawaii from the contiguous U.S. than it did in Summer 2019.
WN has also added or resumed service to 18 additional domestic destinations since Fall 2020, including BLI, BZN, ORD, COS, VPS, EUG, FAT, HDN, IAH, JAN, MIA, MTJ, MYR, PSP, SBA, SRQ, SAV, and SYR.
There are also some other stations that have more WN flights in Summer 2022 than in Summer 2019 such as AMA, AUS, DSM, LGB, MAF, PWM, RIC, and ICT.
So there really isn’t the fleet shortage you say. They just choose to fly other routes.
n471wn wrote:WN has 717 aircraft in service and are adding early delivery 700’s to the fleet slowly but surely—45 are still available at this point in time
alpine1989 wrote:n471wn wrote:WN has 717 aircraft in service and are adding early delivery 700’s to the fleet slowly but surely—45 are still available at this point in time
What? Southwest is adding -700s???
WN732 wrote:alpine1989 wrote:n471wn wrote:WN has 717 aircraft in service and are adding early delivery 700’s to the fleet slowly but surely—45 are still available at this point in time
What? Southwest is adding -700s???
I think he meant MAX7
Western727 wrote:WN732 wrote:alpine1989 wrote:
What? Southwest is adding -700s???
I think he meant MAX7
I took that to mean -700s, because of the "early delivery" and the use of the present tense, as well as the "45 are still available". Happy to be corrected, though.
alpine1989 wrote:Western727 wrote:WN732 wrote:
I think he meant MAX7
I took that to mean -700s, because of the "early delivery" and the use of the present tense, as well as the "45 are still available". Happy to be corrected, though.
The “slowly but surely” statement is throwing me off.
Only Seven MAX 7 have been built to date and are either stored or used by Boeing as test aircraft. The FAA has not issued the aircraft type certificate.
Southwest does have ~250 MAX 7 on order with another 250+ options. Delivery dates TBD pending above approval.
WN732 wrote:alpine1989 wrote:Western727 wrote:
I took that to mean -700s, because of the "early delivery" and the use of the present tense, as well as the "45 are still available". Happy to be corrected, though.
The “slowly but surely” statement is throwing me off.
Only Seven MAX 7 have been built to date and are either stored or used by Boeing as test aircraft. The FAA has not issued the aircraft type certificate.
Southwest does have ~250 MAX 7 on order with another 250+ options. Delivery dates TBD pending above approval.
Perhaps he was saying two things in one sentence here. Could 45 -700's be available for purchase as they await their fate from other airlines? Some of Delta's -700's just got a new lease on life.
As for the "early delivery" I am guessing that this is all MAX7.
OR
This could mean that WN is taking 45 of the first MAX7 to come off of the assembly line before Westjet starts taking their own deliveries.
SWADawg wrote:WN732 wrote:alpine1989 wrote:
The “slowly but surely” statement is throwing me off.
Only Seven MAX 7 have been built to date and are either stored or used by Boeing as test aircraft. The FAA has not issued the aircraft type certificate.
Southwest does have ~250 MAX 7 on order with another 250+ options. Delivery dates TBD pending above approval.
Perhaps he was saying two things in one sentence here. Could 45 -700's be available for purchase as they await their fate from other airlines? Some of Delta's -700's just got a new lease on life.
As for the "early delivery" I am guessing that this is all MAX7.
OR
This could mean that WN is taking 45 of the first MAX7 to come off of the assembly line before Westjet starts taking their own deliveries.
WN has about that number of early build -700’s that have been parked since the height of the pandemic that were due some heavy maintenance that could be brought back into active service. I think that’s the 45 -700’s being referred to. I know that management would prefer to retire these frames rather than fly them again, but given the slipping timeline on when the MAX7 will gain certification, it’s looking more and more like those remaining grounded -700’s that were slated for retirement may actually be returned to service until the MAX7’s start to come online.
SWADawg wrote:I know that management would prefer to retire these frames rather than fly them again, but given the slipping timeline on when the MAX7 will gain certification, it’s looking more and more like those remaining grounded -700’s that were slated for retirement may actually be returned to service until the MAX7’s start to come online.
MIflyer12 wrote:SWADawg wrote:I know that management would prefer to retire these frames rather than fly them again, but given the slipping timeline on when the MAX7 will gain certification, it’s looking more and more like those remaining grounded -700’s that were slated for retirement may actually be returned to service until the MAX7’s start to come online.
One would have to know where these 'parked' - not scrapped - examples are in their maintenance cycles. They won't get $$$ checks - WN will pause expansion, instead, because once the maintenance is done the money is sunk and they can't be sure how profitable new routes/frequencies will be.
MIflyer12 wrote:SWADawg wrote:I know that management would prefer to retire these frames rather than fly them again, but given the slipping timeline on when the MAX7 will gain certification, it’s looking more and more like those remaining grounded -700’s that were slated for retirement may actually be returned to service until the MAX7’s start to come online.
One would have to know where these 'parked' - not scrapped - examples are in their maintenance cycles. They won't get $$$ checks - WN will pause expansion, instead, because once the maintenance is done the money is sunk and they can't be sure how profitable new routes/frequencies will be.
alpine1989 wrote:Only 12 -700s remain in storage. The others have already returned to service or permanently retired.
rising wrote:Interesting interview with the incoming CEO. In-seat power, stronger Wifi could be in the cards. Win there. On assigned seats, "never say never"
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/coronavir ... challenges
Dtwramp wrote:As noted above, there is not 45 700s in any type of storage. 784 has not been in Mia for 5 to 6 days, and aircraft assignments for Wednesday are not available yet. What if they aren't finished with 784 tomorrow?
n471wn wrote:Dtwramp wrote:As noted above, there is not 45 700s in any type of storage. 784 has not been in Mia for 5 to 6 days, and aircraft assignments for Wednesday are not available yet. What if they aren't finished with 784 tomorrow?
Please read what I write before reacting. I did not say 784 had been in Miami for 5-6 days. It has been there over 3 weeks and will go into service on Wednesday. I said that WN is bringing back the old 700’s at a rate of one every 5-6 days. And you are right that there are not 45 737’s in storage as on Wednesday that number falls to 44.
n471wn wrote:Wrong again. You are right about PAE but not VCV. There are 26 at VCV and I am not counting 918 which is a lease return and most likely headed to Avelo where three of her sisters ships ended up. And I am not counting any of the AirTran birds headed to United which are mostly parked at ROS. The balance of the 45 are parked at other airports.
sprxUSA wrote:n471wn wrote:Wrong again. You are right about PAE but not VCV. There are 26 at VCV and I am not counting 918 which is a lease return and most likely headed to Avelo where three of her sisters ships ended up. And I am not counting any of the AirTran birds headed to United which are mostly parked at ROS. The balance of the 45 are parked at other airports.
You mean ROW?
n471wn wrote:And I am not counting any of the AirTran birds headed to United