Southwest Airlines News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Wneast · Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:15 am

Jshank83 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

Schedule updates have been very light on new routes and with all the chops they have made to the schedule (not that they are the only one chopping) there isn't much to get excited about.

I have high hopes for the end of June extension? I mean they should be staffed by the end of year.

It’s hard for me to get excited by anything in an extension when they just keep chopping them later. Even if something shows up in it, they might get rid of it before you get there.

Yeah your right one could hope we ever actually see good news anymore from WN they like to disappoint these days.

OzarkD9S · Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:31 pm

Wneast wrote:

Yeah your right one could hope we ever actually see good news anymore from WN they like to disappoint these days.

It's not that WN "likes" to disappoint as much as they would like for 737-7 deliveries to get on track. They're still in the process of rebuilding depth after the frequency trims thanks to Covid. New adds will just have to trickle in at their own pace.

Jshank83 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:31 pm

Wneast wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
I have high hopes for the end of June extension? I mean they should be staffed by the end of year.

It’s hard for me to get excited by anything in an extension when they just keep chopping them later. Even if something shows up in it, they might get rid of it before you get there.

Yeah your right one could hope we ever actually see good news anymore from WN they like to disappoint these days.

I just want to see a schedule stick to start.

KCaviator · Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:14 pm

Two years in a row Southwest has canceled my non-stop on vacation and replaced it with connections. This year was even worse as they had nothing available on my departure date. Told me to fly the day before or day after...

avi8 · Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:21 pm

WN was facing aircraft shortages due to the MAX grounding before COVID-19. Then COVID hit and caused unprecedented challenges to the airline industry, including staff shortages and supply chain issues.

Now, WN wants to rebuild their network but are facing staff shortages among other problems I’m no expert at disclosing. They’re doing the best they can.

frmrCapCadet · Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:23 pm

The strength of SW for this infrequent flyer was a lack of hassle, along with halfway decent comfort and service. I am gathering from this thread SW is having difficulties maintaining that.

Midwestindy · Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:27 pm

avi8 wrote:
Interesting that they are promoting this as “restoring their network” when all they’re doing is redeploying capacity.

Meanwhile, F9 and NK are eating away their peace of the pie in Florida.

Jshank83 wrote:
PITFlyer330 wrote:
Southwest adding 3 new routes like SMF SBA and EUG SJC https://twitter.com/benmutzabaugh/statu ... ZQO1tSqpdg

They fail to mention all the cuts.

I really thought they would cut back intra cali flying not add to it.

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Midwestindy · Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:36 pm

Midwestindy wrote:

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WN will be smaller this summer than in 2021 from DEN. 10% of its schedule cut was to DEN.

BWI also saw substantial cuts.

https://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals ... ights.html

ADent · Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:31 pm

Midwestindy wrote:

WN will be smaller this summer than in 2021 from DEN. 10% of its schedule cut was to DEN.

BWI also saw substantial cuts.

https://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals ... ights.html

Guess it is good those 16 new gates at DEN have been delayed from original plans.

wxtech · Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:16 pm

How are ORD, IAH, and MIA doing for WN?

jplatts · Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:34 am

avi8 wrote:
WN was facing aircraft shortages due to the MAX grounding before COVID-19. Then COVID hit and caused unprecedented challenges to the airline industry, including staff shortages and supply chain issues.

Now, WN wants to rebuild their network but are facing staff shortages among other problems I’m no expert at disclosing. They’re doing the best they can.

Midwestindy wrote:
WN will be smaller this summer than in 2021 from DEN. 10% of its schedule cut was to DEN.

BWI also saw substantial cuts.

https://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals ... ights.html

There are some stations such as BOI, MDW, CVG, DAL, DEN, GRR, GSP, HOU, LAS, SDF, MEM, OMA, MCO, PHX, SLC, and TPA that have enough demand for more WN flights than is currently scheduled for Summer 2022, but most of these stations are seeing some cuts on WN due to the fleet shortages, staffing shortages, and operational issues that WN is currently facing.

bob75013 · Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:18 am

wxtech wrote:
How are ORD, IAH, and MIA doing for WN?

My only insight is from DAL and DEN to Chicago. Normally there are lower fares available closer to departure date at ORD vs MDW. That seems to tell me thatt ORD is not doing as well AS MDW -- at least for routes I listed.

jplatts · Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:58 am

wxtech wrote:
How are ORD, IAH, and MIA doing for WN?

Here were the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of ORD, IAH, and MIA in January 2022:
AUS-ORD - 2659 passengers, 7929 seats, 33.54% load factor
BNA-ORD - 11965 passengers, 28886 seats, 41.42% load factor
BWI-ORD - 10004 passengers, 25550 seats, 39.15% load factor
DAL-ORD - 16201 passengers, 31095 seats, 52.10% load factor
DEN-ORD - 21306 passengers, 34416 seats, 61.91% load factor
FLL-ORD - 5094 passengers, 8580 seats, 59.37% load factor
LAS-ORD - 5979 passengers, 8008 seats, 74.66% load factor
MCO-ORD - 8523 passengers, 11504 seats, 74.09% load factor
ORD-PHX - 13384 passengers, 18082 seats, 74.02% load factor
ORD-RSW - 6478 passengers, 8580 seats, 75.50% load factor
ORD-TPA - 6345 passengers, 10153 seats, 62.49% load factor

BNA-IAH - 10379 passengers, 23428 seats, 44.30% load factor
DAL-IAH - 16809 passengers, 47302 seats, 35.54% load factor
DEN-IAH - 13929 passengers, 20677 seats, 67.36% load factor
IAH-LAS - 6044 passengers, 8836 seats, 68.40% load factor
IAH-MCO - 6416 passengers, 9442 seats, 67.95% load factor
IAH-MDW - 8057 passengers, 15320 seats, 52.59% load factor
IAH-MSY - 7917 passengers, 26606 seats, 29.76% load factor
IAH-PHX - 1383 passengers, 2352 seats, 58.80% load factor
IAH-TPA - 632 passengers, 1859 seats, 34.00% load factor

ATL-MIA - 13543 passengers, 24879 seats, 54.44% load factor
AUS-MIA - 5845 passengers, 9988 seats, 58.52% load factor
BNA-MIA - 11066 passengers, 17085 seats, 64.77% load factor
BWI-MIA - 22824 passengers, 35712 seats, 63.91% load factor
CMH-MIA - 573 passengers, 843 seats, 67.97% load factor
DAL-MIA - 13812 passengers, 21167 seats, 65.25% load factor
DEN-MIA - 10582 passengers, 14549 seats, 72.73% load factor
HOU-MIA - 18978 passengers, 34112 seats, 55.63% load factor
IND-MIA - 598 passengers, 922 seats, 64.86% load factor
MCI-MIA - 572 passengers, 604 seats, 94.70% load factor
MDW-MIA - 16499 passengers, 26505 seats, 62.25% load factor
MIA-MKE - 487 passengers, 747 seats, 65.19% load factor
MIA-MSY - 3608 passengers, 7359 seats, 49.03% load factor
MIA-PIT - 688 passengers, 954 seats, 72.12% load factor
MIA-STL - 6182 passengers, 9459 seats, 65.36% load factor

jplatts · Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:34 am

Here is a comparison between number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors on WN in January 2020 vs. January 2022:
ABQ:
177739 passengers in 1/2020, 257708 seats in 1/2020, 68.97% load factor in 1/2020
116144 passengers in 1/2022 (down 23.90% from 1/2020), 170566 seats in 1/2022, 68.09% load factor in 1/2022 (down 0.88% from 1/2020)

ALB:
74100 passengers in 1/2020, 90715 seats in 1/2020, 81.68% load factor in 1/2020
43628 passengers in 1/2022 (down 33.59% from 1/2020), 60441 seats in 1/2022, 72.18% load factor in 1/2022 (down 9.50% from 1/2020)

AMA:
22994 passengers in 1/2020, 40755 seats in 1/2020, 56.42% load factor in 1/2020
19724 passengers in 1/2022 (down 8.02% from 1/2020), 34456 seats in 1/2022, 57.24% load factor in 1/2022 (up 0.82% from 1/2020)

ATL:
670979 passengers in 1/2020, 944526 seats in 1/2020, 71.04% load factor in 1/2020
423203 passengers in 1/2022 (down 26.23% from 1/2020), 711567 seats in 1/2022, 59.47% load factor in 1/2022 (down 11.56% from 1/2020)

AUS:
424705 passengers in 1/2020, 587471 seats in 1/2020, 72.29% load factor in 1/2020
418361 passengers in 1/2022 (down 1.08% from 1/2020), 675145 seats in 1/2022, 61.97% load factor in 1/2022 (down 10.33% from 1/2020)

BDL:
110413 passengers in 1/2020, 146648 seats in 1/2020, 75.29% load factor in 1/2020
57571 passengers in 1/2022 (down 36.03% from 1/2020), 81731 seats in 1/2022, 70.44% load factor in 1/2022 (down 4.85% from 1/2020)

BHM:
62657 passengers in 1/2020, 97972 seats in 1/2020, 63.95% load factor in 1/2020
53338 passengers in 1/2022 (down 9.51% from 1/2020), 80265 seats in 1/2022, 66.45% load factor in 1/2022 (up 2.50% from 1/2020)

BNA:
711575 passengers in 1/2020, 981389 seats in 1/2020, 72.51% load factor in 1/2020
587868 passengers in 1/2022 (down 12.61% from 1/2020), 927358 seats in 1/2022, 63.39% load factor in 1/2022 (down 9.12% from 1/2020)

BOI:
76805 passengers in 1/2020, 104302 seats in 1/2020, 73.64% load factor in 1/2020
65494 passengers in 1/2022 (down 10.84% from 1/2020), 86022 seats in 1/2022, 76.14% load factor in 1/2022 (up 2.50% from 1/2020)

BOS:
136913 passengers in 1/2020, 193970 seats in 1/2020, 70.58% load factor in 1/2020
56328 passengers in 1/2022 (down 41.55% from 1/2020), 83527 seats in 1/2022, 67.44% load factor in 1/2022 (down 3.15% from 1/2020)

BUF:
99997 passengers in 1/2020, 130330 seats in 1/2020, 76.73% load factor in 1/2020
66003 passengers in 1/2022 (down 26.08% from 1/2020), 90716 seats in 1/2022, 72.76% load factor in 1/2022 (down 3.97% from 1/2020)

BUR:
339502 passengers in 1/2020, 526300 seats in 1/2020, 64.51% load factor in 1/2020
219953 passengers in 1/2022 (down 22.71% from 1/2020), 486734 seats in 1/2022, 45.19% load factor in 1/2022 (down 19.32% from 1/2020)

BWI:
1210317 passengers in 1/2020, 1636295 seats in 1/2020, 73.97% load factor in 1/2020
819071 passengers in 1/2022 (down 23.91% from 1/2020), 1286274 seats in 1/2022, 63.68% load factor in 1/2022 (down 10.29% from 1/2020)

CHS:
44051 passengers in 1/2020, 60072 seats in 1/2020, 73.33% load factor in 1/2020
39281 passengers in 1/2022 (down 7.94% from 1/2020), 67121 seats in 1/2022, 58.52% load factor in 1/2022 (down 14.81% from 1/2020)

CLE:
102127 passengers in 1/2020, 146432 seats in 1/2020, 69.74% load factor in 1/2020
58696 passengers in 1/2022 (down 29.66% from 1/2020), 91078 seats in 1/2022, 64.45% load factor in 1/2022 (down 5.30% from 1/2020)

CLT:
46379 passengers in 1/2020, 73571 seats in 1/2020, 63.04% load factor in 1/2020
32297 passengers in 1/2022 (down 19.14% from 1/2020), 56830 seats in 1/2022, 56.83% load factor in 1/2022 (down 6.21% from 1/2020)

CMH:
202993 passengers in 1/2020, 288466 seats in 1/2020, 70.37% load factor in 1/2020
155163 passengers in 1/2022 (down 16.58% from 1/2020), 224185 seats in 1/2022, 69.21% load factor in 1/2022 (down 1.16% from 1/2020)

CRP:
13716 passengers in 1/2020, 32414 seats in 1/2020, 42.32% load factor in 1/2020
11635 passengers in 1/2022 (down 6.42% from 1/2020), 19535 seats in 1/2022, 59.56% load factor in 1/2022 (up 17.24% from 1/2020)

CVG:
42795 passengers in 1/2020, 69480 seats in 1/2020, 61.59% load factor in 1/2020
34749 passengers in 1/2022 (down 11.58% from 1/2020), 60690 seats in 1/2022, 57.26% load factor in 1/2022 (down 4.34% from 1/2020)

DAL:
1193244 passengers in 1/2020, 1698986 seats in 1/2020, 70.23% load factor in 1/2020
985449 passengers in 1/2022 (down 12.23% from 1/2020), 1480395 seats in 1/2022, 66.57% load factor in 1/2022 (down 3.67% from 1/2020)

DCA:
252694 passengers in 1/2020, 397385 seats in 1/2020, 63.59% load factor in 1/2020
166072 passengers in 1/2022 (down 21.80% from 1/2020), 337567 seats in 1/2022, 49.20% load factor in 1/2022 (down 14.39% from 1/2020)

DEN:
1380314 passengers in 1/2020, 1694770 seats in 1/2020, 81.45% load factor in 1/2020
1178138 passengers in 1/2022 (down 11.93% from 1/2020), 1665716 seats in 1/2022, 70.73% load factor in 1/2022 (down 10.72% from 1/2020)

DSM:
19019 passengers in 1/2020, 24566 seats in 1/2020, 77.42% load factor in 1/2020
17354 passengers in 1/2022 (down 6.78% from 1/2020), 27376 seats in 1/2022, 63.39% load factor in 1/2022 (down 14.03% from 1/2020)

DTW:
79732 passengers in 1/2020, 113672 seats in 1/2020, 70.14% load factor in 1/2020
52922 passengers in 1/2022 (down 23.59% from 1/2020), 88374 seats in 1/2022, 59.88% load factor in 1/2022 (down 10.26% from 1/2020)

ECP:
19110 passengers in 1/2020, 29660 seats in 1/2020, 64.43% load factor in 1/2020
27577 passengers in 1/2022 (up 28.55% from 1/2020), 47571 seats in 1/2022, 57.97% load factor in 1/2022 (down 6.46% from 1/2020)

ELP:
108195 passengers in 1/2020, 159721 seats in 1/2020, 67.74% load factor in 1/2020
92314 passengers in 1/2022 (down 9.94% from 1/2020), 138193 seats in 1/2022, 66.80% load factor in 1/2022 (down 0.94% from 1/2020)

FLL:
538311 passengers in 1/2020, 683809 seats in 1/2020, 78.72% load factor in 1/2020
294755 passengers in 1/2022 (down 35.62% from 1/2020), 427505 seats in 1/2022, 68.95% load factor in 1/2022 (down 9.77% from 1/2020)

GEG:
64378 passengers in 1/2020, 99944 seats in 1/2020, 64.41% load factor in 1/2020
54027 passengers in 1/2022 (down 10.36% from 1/2020), 73295 seats in 1/2022, 73.71% load factor in 1/2022 (up 9.30% from 1/2020)

GRR:
32524 passengers in 1/2020, 44820 seats in 1/2020, 72.57% load factor in 1/2020
24641 passengers in 1/2022 (down 17.59% from 1/2020), 36033 seats in 1/2022, 68.38% load factor in 1/2022 (down 4.18% from 1/2020)

GSP:
17451 passengers in 1/2020, 33368 seats in 1/2020, 52.30% load factor in 1/2020
16221 passengers in 1/2022 (down 3.69% from 1/2020), 35800 seats in 1/2022, 45.31% load factor in 1/2022 (down 6.99% from 1/2020)

HNL:
127411 passengers in 1/2020, 191800 seats in 1/2020, 66.43% load factor in 1/2020
169945 passengers in 1/2022 (up 22.18% from 1/2020), 330925 seats in 1/2022, 51.35% load factor in 1/2022 (down 15.07% from 1/2020)

HOU:
969318 passengers in 1/2020, 1352657 seats in 1/2020, 71.66% load factor in 1/2020
733171 passengers in 1/2022 (down 17.46% from 1/2020), 1101237 seats in 1/2022, 66.58% load factor in 1/2022 (down 5.08% from 1/2020)

HRL:
30354 passengers in 1/2020, 48105 seats in 1/2020, 63.10% load factor in 1/2020
23575 passengers in 1/2022 (down 14.09% from 1/2020), 34968 seats in 1/2022, 67.42% load factor in 1/2022 (up 4.32% from 1/2020)

IAD:
28606 passengers in 1/2020, 46654 seats in 1/2020, 61.32% load factor in 1/2020
22161 passengers in 1/2022 (down 13.81% from 1/2020), 46988 seats in 1/2022, 47.16% load factor in 1/2022 (down 14.15% from 1/2020)

ICT:
23545 passengers in 1/2020, 34853 seats in 1/2020, 67.56% load factor in 1/2020
15769 passengers in 1/2022 (down 22.31% from 1/2020), 28100 seats in 1/2022, 56.12% load factor in 1/2022 (down 11.44% from 1/2020)

IND:
202975 passengers in 1/2020, 267010 seats in 1/2020, 76.02% load factor in 1/2020
148730 passengers in 1/2022 (down 20.32% from 1/2020), 193726 seats in 1/2022, 76.77% load factor in 1/2022 (up 0.76% from 1/2020)

ISP:
68855 passengers in 1/2020, 91807 seats in 1/2020, 75.00% load factor in 1/2020
37846 passengers in 1/2022 (down 33.78% from 1/2020), 61147 seats in 1/2022, 61.89% load factor in 1/2022 (down 13.11% from 1/2020)

ITO:
9494 passengers in 1/2020, 18025 seats in 1/2020, 52.67% load factor in 1/2020
14694 passengers in 1/2022 (up 28.85% from 1/2020), 42700 seats in 1/2022, 34.41% load factor in 1/2022 (down 18.26% from 1/2020)

JAX:
81356 passengers in 1/2020, 97385 seats in 1/2020, 83.54% load factor in 1/2020
61561 passengers in 1/2022 (down 20.33% from 1/2020), 93696 seats in 1/2022, 65.70% load factor in 1/2022 (down 17.84% from 1/2020)

KOA:
32516 passengers in 1/2020, 52150 seats in 1/2020, 62.35% load factor in 1/2020
45503 passengers in 1/2022 (up 24.90% from 1/2020), 98350 seats in 1/2022, 46.27% load factor in 1/2022 (down 16.08% from 1/2020)

LAS:
1286868 passengers in 1/2020, 1706401 seats in 1/2020, 75.41% load factor in 1/2020
1119272 passengers in 1/2022 (down 9.82% from 1/2020), 1576417 seats in 1/2022, 71.00% load factor in 1/2022 (down 4.41% from 1/2020)

LAX:
666972 passengers in 1/2020, 932869 seats in 1/2020, 71.50% load factor in 1/2020
387387 passengers in 1/2022 (down 29.97% from 1/2020), 629512 seats in 1/2022, 61.54% load factor in 1/2022 (down 9.96% from 1/2020)

LBB:
40450 passengers in 1/2020, 67148 seats in 1/2020, 60.24% load factor in 1/2020
32359 passengers in 1/2022 (down 12.05% from 1/2020), 51044 seats in 1/2022, 63.39% load factor in 1/2022 (up 3.15% from 1/2020)

LGA:
218457 passengers in 1/2020, 314938 seats in 1/2020, 69.37% load factor in 1/2020
135745 passengers in 1/2022 (down 26.26% from 1/2020), 266747 seats in 1/2022, 50.89% load factor in 1/2022 (down 18.48% from 1/2020)

LGB:
87981 passengers in 1/2020, 123193 seats in 1/2020, 71.42% load factor in 1/2020
165721 passengers in 1/2022 (up 63.10% from 1/2020), 311293 seats in 1/2022, 53.24% load factor in 1/2022 (down 18.18% from 1/2020)

LIH:
24608 passengers in 1/2020, 47950 seats in 1/2020, 51.32% load factor in 1/2020
41983 passengers in 1/2022 (up 36.24% from 1/2020), 88025 seats in 1/2022, 47.69% load factor in 1/2022 (down 3.63% from 1/2020)

LIT:
36077 passengers in 1/2020, 53114 seats in 1/2020, 67.92% load factor in 1/2020
28121 passengers in 1/2022 (down 14.98% from 1/2020), 47444 seats in 1/2022, 59.27% load factor in 1/2022 (down 8.65% from 1/2020)

jplatts · Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:34 am

Here is a comparison between number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors on WN in January 2020 vs. January 2022 (continued):
MAF:
44188 passengers in 1/2020, 80464 seats in 1/2020, 54.92% load factor in 1/2020
35112 passengers in 1/2022 (down 11.28% from 1/2020), 71130 seats in 1/2022, 49.36% load factor in 1/2022 (down 5.55% from 1/2020)

MCI:
386061 passengers in 1/2020, 535788 seats in 1/2020, 72.05% load factor in 1/2020
262945 passengers in 1/2022 (down 22.98% from 1/2020), 370162 seats in 1/2022, 71.04% load factor in 1/2022 (down 1.02% from 1/2020)

MCO:
912158 passengers in 1/2020, 1105543 seats in 1/2020, 82.51% load factor in 1/2020
715624 passengers in 1/2022 (down 17.78% from 1/2020), 904338 seats in 1/2022, 79.13% load factor in 1/2022 (down 3.38% from 1/2020)

MDW:
1225581 passengers in 1/2020, 1654742 seats in 1/2020, 74.06% load factor in 1/2020
855310 passengers in 1/2022 (down 22.38% from 1/2020), 1325233 seats in 1/2022, 64.54% load factor in 1/2022 (down 9.52% from 1/2020)

MEM:
57391 passengers in 1/2020, 88516 seats in 1/2020, 64.84% load factor in 1/2020
46525 passengers in 1/2022 (down 12.28% from 1/2020), 69292 seats in 1/2022, 67.14% load factor in 1/2022 (up 2.31% from 1/2020)

MHT:
59138 passengers in 1/2020, 80124 seats in 1/2020, 73.81% load factor in 1/2020
33495 passengers in 1/2022 (down 32.00% from 1/2020), 52489 seats in 1/2022, 63.81% load factor in 1/2022 (down 9.99% from 1/2020)

MKE:
208433 passengers in 1/2020, 284356 seats in 1/2020, 73.30% load factor in 1/2020
141632 passengers in 1/2022 (down 23.49% from 1/2020), 189846 seats in 1/2022, 74.60% load factor in 1/2022 (up 1.30% from 1/2020)

MSP:
119390 passengers in 1/2020, 174548 seats in 1/2020, 68.40% load factor in 1/2020
68123 passengers in 1/2022 (down 29.37% from 1/2020), 100115 seats in 1/2022, 68.04% load factor in 1/2022 (down 0.35% from 1/2020)

MSY:
375951 passengers in 1/2020, 510696 seats in 1/2020, 73.62% load factor in 1/2020
250962 passengers in 1/2022 (down 24.47% from 1/2020), 383193 seats in 1/2022, 65.49% load factor in 1/2022 (down 8.12% from 1/2020)

OAK:
675385 passengers in 1/2020, 984411 seats in 1/2020, 68.61% load factor in 1/2020
445818 passengers in 1/2022 (down 23.32% from 1/2020), 795862 seats in 1/2022, 56.02% load factor in 1/2022 (down 12.59% from 1/2020)

OGG:
53805 passengers in 1/2020, 80150 seats in 1/2020, 67.13% load factor in 1/2020
82151 passengers in 1/2022 (up 35.37% from 1/2020), 186025 seats in 1/2022, 44.16% load factor in 1/2022 (down 22.97% from 1/2020)

OKC:
104588 passengers in 1/2020, 154370 seats in 1/2020, 67.75% load factor in 1/2020
80521 passengers in 1/2022 (down 15.59% from 1/2020), 120463 seats in 1/2022, 66.84% load factor in 1/2022 (down 0.91% from 1/2020)

OMA:
117361 passengers in 1/2020, 158568 seats in 1/2020, 74.01% load factor in 1/2020
94569 passengers in 1/2022 (down 14.37% from 1/2020), 134066 seats in 1/2022, 70.54% load factor in 1/2022 (down 3.47% from 1/2020)

ONT:
219408 passengers in 1/2020, 312182 seats in 1/2020, 70.28% load factor in 1/2020
137117 passengers in 1/2022 (down 26.36% from 1/2020), 230045 seats in 1/2022, 59.60% load factor in 1/2022 (down 10.68% from 1/2020)

ORF:
42430 passengers in 1/2020, 57278 seats in 1/2020, 74.08% load factor in 1/2020
39132 passengers in 1/2022 (down 5.76% from 1/2020), 62356 seats in 1/2022, 62.76% load factor in 1/2022 (down 11.32% from 1/2020)

PBI:
54703 passengers in 1/2020, 78409 seats in 1/2020, 69.77% load factor in 1/2020
33274 passengers in 1/2022 (down 27.33% from 1/2020), 47009 seats in 1/2022, 70.78% load factor in 1/2022 (up 1.02% from 1/2020)

PDX:
209001 passengers in 1/2020, 280567 seats in 1/2020, 74.49% load factor in 1/2020
103125 passengers in 1/2022 (down 37.74% from 1/2020), 134826 seats in 1/2022, 76.49% load factor in 1/2022 (up 2.00% from 1/2020)

PHL:
134541 passengers in 1/2020, 169763 seats in 1/2020, 79.25% load factor in 1/2020
73066 passengers in 1/2022 (down 36.21% from 1/2020), 102033 seats in 1/2022, 71.61% load factor in 1/2022 (down 7.64% from 1/2020)

PHX:
1143970 passengers in 1/2020, 1495884 seats in 1/2020, 76.47% load factor in 1/2020
1032409 passengers in 1/2022 (down 7.46% from 1/2020), 1433620 seats in 1/2022, 72.01% load factor in 1/2022 (down 4.46% from 1/2020)

PIT:
172130 passengers in 1/2020, 255806 seats in 1/2020, 67.29% load factor in 1/2020
124743 passengers in 1/2022 (down 18.52% from 1/2020), 175286 seats in 1/2022, 71.17% load factor in 1/2022 (up 3.88% from 1/2020)

PNS:
18307 passengers in 1/2020, 26090 seats in 1/2020, 70.17% load factor in 1/2020
24633 passengers in 1/2022 (up 24.25% from 1/2020), 44888 seats in 1/2022, 54.88% load factor in 1/2022 (down 15.29% from 1/2020)

PVD:
104380 passengers in 1/2020, 138625 seats in 1/2020, 75.30% load factor in 1/2020
54733 passengers in 1/2022 (down 35.81% from 1/2020), 81292 seats in 1/2022, 67.33% load factor in 1/2022 (down 7.97% from 1/2020)

PWM:
17363 passengers in 1/2020, 25804 seats in 1/2020, 67.29% load factor in 1/2020
11577 passengers in 1/2022 (down 22.42% from 1/2020), 20773 seats in 1/2022, 55.73% load factor in 1/2022 (down 11.56% from 1/2020)

RDU:
173482 passengers in 1/2020, 223694 seats in 1/2020, 77.55% load factor in 1/2020
97849 passengers in 1/2022 (down 33.81% from 1/2020), 148142 seats in 1/2022, 66.05% load factor in 1/2022 (down 11.50% from 1/2020)

RIC:
19034 passengers in 1/2020, 28649 seats in 1/2020, 66.44% load factor in 1/2020
18631 passengers in 1/2022 (down 1.41% from 1/2020), 34993 seats in 1/2022, 53.24% load factor in 1/2022 (down 13.20% from 1/2020)

RNO:
125153 passengers in 1/2020, 193415 seats in 1/2020, 64.71% load factor in 1/2020
118335 passengers in 1/2022 (down 3.53% from 1/2020), 170464 seats in 1/2022, 69.42% load factor in 1/2022 (up 4.71% from 1/2020)

ROC:
33303 passengers in 1/2020, 39709 seats in 1/2020, 83.87% load factor in 1/2020
19387 passengers in 1/2022 (down 35.04% from 1/2020), 29420 seats in 1/2022, 65.90% load factor in 1/2022 (down 17.97% from 1/2020)

RSW:
186356 passengers in 1/2020, 236079 seats in 1/2020, 78.94% load factor in 1/2020
185322 passengers in 1/2022 (down 0.44% from 1/2020), 230548 seats in 1/2022, 80.38% load factor in 1/2022 (up 1.45% from 1/2020)

SAN:
717327 passengers in 1/2020, 997220 seats in 1/2020, 71.93% load factor in 1/2020
403750 passengers in 1/2022 (down 31.45% from 1/2020), 610297 seats in 1/2022, 66.16% load factor in 1/2022 (down 5.78% from 1/2020)

SAT:
284260 passengers in 1/2020, 389045 seats in 1/2020, 73.07% load factor in 1/2020
201326 passengers in 1/2022 (down 21.32% from 1/2020), 294630 seats in 1/2022, 68.33% load factor in 1/2022 (down 4.73% from 1/2020)

SDF:
71632 passengers in 1/2020, 106940 seats in 1/2020, 66.98% load factor in 1/2020
57875 passengers in 1/2022 (down 12.86% from 1/2020), 90492 seats in 1/2022, 63.96% load factor in 1/2022 (down 3.03% from 1/2020)

SEA:
173231 passengers in 1/2020, 241052 seats in 1/2020, 71.86% load factor in 1/2020
95866 passengers in 1/2022 (down 32.09% from 1/2020), 140775 seats in 1/2022, 68.10% load factor in 1/2022 (down 3.77% from 1/2020)

SFO:
232628 passengers in 1/2020, 321938 seats in 1/2020, 72.26% load factor in 1/2020
86980 passengers in 1/2022 (down 45.24% from 1/2020), 154993 seats in 1/2022, 56.12% load factor in 1/2022 (down 16.14% from 1/2020)

SJC:
617846 passengers in 1/2020, 926176 seats in 1/2020, 66.71% load factor in 1/2020
304137 passengers in 1/2022 (down 33.87% from 1/2020), 577757 seats in 1/2022, 52.64% load factor in 1/2022 (down 14.07% from 1/2020)

SJU:
98140 passengers in 1/2020, 118587 seats in 1/2020, 82.76% load factor in 1/2020
82241 passengers in 1/2022 (down 13.41% from 1/2020), 104093 seats in 1/2022, 79.01% load factor in 1/2022 (down 3.75% from 1/2020)

SLC:
211984 passengers in 1/2020, 273097 seats in 1/2020, 77.62% load factor in 1/2020
196682 passengers in 1/2022 (down 5.60% from 1/2020), 268749 seats in 1/2022, 73.18% load factor in 1/2022 (down 4.44% from 1/2020)

SMF:
518118 passengers in 1/2020, 741287 seats in 1/2020, 69.89% load factor in 1/2020
323040 passengers in 1/2022 (down 26.32% from 1/2020), 524430 seats in 1/2022, 61.60% load factor in 1/2022 (down 8.30% from 1/2020)

SNA:
261465 passengers in 1/2020, 331365 seats in 1/2020, 78.91% load factor in 1/2020
199232 passengers in 1/2022 (down 18.78% from 1/2020), 335343 seats in 1/2022, 59.41% load factor in 1/2022 (down 19.49% from 1/2020)

STL:
691809 passengers in 1/2020, 950205 seats in 1/2020, 72.81% load factor in 1/2020
403868 passengers in 1/2022 (down 30.30% from 1/2020), 631360 seats in 1/2022, 63.97% load factor in 1/2022 (down 8.84% from 1/2020)

TPA:
498845 passengers in 1/2020, 662382 seats in 1/2020, 75.31% load factor in 1/2020
369527 passengers in 1/2022 (down 19.52% from 1/2020), 525469 seats in 1/2022, 70.32% load factor in 1/2022 (down 4.99% from 1/2020)

TUL:
72888 passengers in 1/2020, 108575 seats in 1/2020, 67.13% load factor in 1/2020
47392 passengers in 1/2022 (down 23.48% from 1/2020), 71443 seats in 1/2022, 66.34% load factor in 1/2022 (down 0.80% from 1/2020)

TUS:
70396 passengers in 1/2020, 96181 seats in 1/2020, 73.19% load factor in 1/2020
57037 passengers in 1/2022 (down 13.89% from 1/2020), 86055 seats in 1/2022, 66.28% load factor in 1/2022 (down 6.91% from 1/2020)

jplatts · Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:38 am

Stations served by WN in January 2020 that had better domestic load factors in January 2022 than in January 2020 include AMA, BHM, BOI, CRP, GEG, HRL, IND, LBB, MEM, MKE, PBI, PDX, PIT, RNO, and RSW.

Stations served by WN in January 2020 where WN carried more domestic passengers in January 2022 than in January 2020 include ECP, HNL, ITO, KOA, LGB, LIH, OGG, and PNS.

jplatts · Sat Apr 23, 2022 3:05 am

Here is a comparison between number of domestic passengers, number of seats, and domestic load factors on WN in January 2020 vs. January 2022 in markets where WN serves more than 1 airport:

Baltimore/Washington (BWI/DCA/IAD):
January 2020: 1491617 passengers, 2080334 seats, 71.70% load factor
January 2022: 1007304 passengers (down 32.47% from 1/2020), 1670829 seats, 60.29% load factor (down 11.41% from 1/2020)

Boston (BOS/MHT/PVD):
January 2020: 300431 passengers, 412719 seats, 72.79% load factor
January 2022: 144556 passengers (down 51.88% from 1/2020), 217308 seats, 66.52% load factor (down 6.27% from 1/2020)

Chicago (MDW/ORD):
January 2020: 1225581 passengers, 1654742 seats, 74.06% load factor (ORD not served by WN in 1/2020)
January 2022: 963248 passengers (down 21.40% from 1/2020), 1518016 seats, 63.45% load factor (down 10.61% from 1/2020)

Houston (HOU/IAH):
January 2020: 969318 passengers, 1352657 seats, 71.66% load factor (IAH not served by WN in 1/2020)
January 2022: 804737 passengers (down 16.98% from 1/2020), 1257059 seats, 64.02% load factor (down 7.64% from 1/2020)

Los Angeles (LAX/BUR/LGB/ONT/SNA):
January 2020: 1575328 passengers, 2225909 seats, 70.77% load factor
January 2022: 1109410 passengers (down 29.58% from 1/2020), 1992927 seats, 55.67% load factor (down 15.10% from 1/2020)

Miami (MIA/FLL):
January 2020: 538311 passengers, 683809 seats, 78.72% load factor (MIA not served by WN in 1/2020)
January 2022: 420612 passengers (down 21.86% from 1/2020), 632390 seats, 66.51% load factor (down 12.21% from 1/2020)

New York City (LGA/ISP):
January 2020: 287312 passengers, 406745 seats, 70.64% load factor
January 2022: 173591 passengers (down 39.58% from 1/2020), 327894 seats, 52.94% load factor (down 17.70% from 1/2020)

San Francisco (SFO/OAK/SJC):
January 2020: 1525859 passengers, 2232525 seats, 68.35% load factor
January 2022: 836935 passengers (down 45.15% from 1/2020), 1528612 seats, 54.75% load factor (down 13.60% from 1/2020)

jplatts · Sat Apr 23, 2022 6:46 pm

bob75013 wrote:
wxtech wrote:
How are ORD, IAH, and MIA doing for WN?

My only insight is from DAL and DEN to Chicago. Normally there are lower fares available closer to departure date at ORD vs MDW. That seems to tell me thatt ORD is not doing as well AS MDW -- at least for routes I listed.

The Florida Panhandle and Hawaii had stronger demand for WN service in January 2022 than in January 2020, whereas the other markets that had WN service in January 2020 had weaker demand for WN service in January 2022 than in January 2022.

Station load factors on WN at most of the stations that had WN service in January 2020 were below January 2020 levels in January 2022.

PITFlyer330 · Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:57 am

maps4ltd wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Interesting that they are promoting this as “restoring their network” when all they’re doing is redeploying capacity.

Meanwhile, F9 and NK are eating away their peace of the pie in Florida.

Jshank83 wrote:

They fail to mention all the cuts.

I really thought they would cut back intra cali flying not add to it.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ailevon- ... esktop_web

Side note, but that LinkedIn source is good for weekly route news. I used to get it from enilria's thread here, then Crankyflier's Monday blog posts (rip Skeds of Air Lines). Now I'm using this.

Sad that the linkedin doesnt do international updates

Flymht · Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:21 pm

jplatts wrote:
wxtech wrote:
How are ORD, IAH, and MIA doing for WN?

Here were the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of ORD, IAH, and MIA in January 2022:
AUS-ORD - 2659 passengers, 7929 seats, 33.54% load factor
BNA-ORD - 11965 passengers, 28886 seats, 41.42% load factor
BWI-ORD - 10004 passengers, 25550 seats, 39.15% load factor
DAL-ORD - 16201 passengers, 31095 seats, 52.10% load factor
DEN-ORD - 21306 passengers, 34416 seats, 61.91% load factor
FLL-ORD - 5094 passengers, 8580 seats, 59.37% load factor
LAS-ORD - 5979 passengers, 8008 seats, 74.66% load factor
MCO-ORD - 8523 passengers, 11504 seats, 74.09% load factor
ORD-PHX - 13384 passengers, 18082 seats, 74.02% load factor
ORD-RSW - 6478 passengers, 8580 seats, 75.50% load factor
ORD-TPA - 6345 passengers, 10153 seats, 62.49% load factor

BNA-IAH - 10379 passengers, 23428 seats, 44.30% load factor
DAL-IAH - 16809 passengers, 47302 seats, 35.54% load factor
DEN-IAH - 13929 passengers, 20677 seats, 67.36% load factor
IAH-LAS - 6044 passengers, 8836 seats, 68.40% load factor
IAH-MCO - 6416 passengers, 9442 seats, 67.95% load factor
IAH-MDW - 8057 passengers, 15320 seats, 52.59% load factor
IAH-MSY - 7917 passengers, 26606 seats, 29.76% load factor
IAH-PHX - 1383 passengers, 2352 seats, 58.80% load factor
IAH-TPA - 632 passengers, 1859 seats, 34.00% load factor

ATL-MIA - 13543 passengers, 24879 seats, 54.44% load factor
AUS-MIA - 5845 passengers, 9988 seats, 58.52% load factor
BNA-MIA - 11066 passengers, 17085 seats, 64.77% load factor
BWI-MIA - 22824 passengers, 35712 seats, 63.91% load factor
CMH-MIA - 573 passengers, 843 seats, 67.97% load factor
DAL-MIA - 13812 passengers, 21167 seats, 65.25% load factor
DEN-MIA - 10582 passengers, 14549 seats, 72.73% load factor
HOU-MIA - 18978 passengers, 34112 seats, 55.63% load factor
IND-MIA - 598 passengers, 922 seats, 64.86% load factor
MCI-MIA - 572 passengers, 604 seats, 94.70% load factor
MDW-MIA - 16499 passengers, 26505 seats, 62.25% load factor
MIA-MKE - 487 passengers, 747 seats, 65.19% load factor
MIA-MSY - 3608 passengers, 7359 seats, 49.03% load factor
MIA-PIT - 688 passengers, 954 seats, 72.12% load factor
MIA-STL - 6182 passengers, 9459 seats, 65.36% load factor

Hi, how do you get these numbers? Are they public so I could look at the?

jplatts · Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:40 pm

Flymht wrote:
jplatts wrote:
wxtech wrote:
How are ORD, IAH, and MIA doing for WN?

Here were the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of ORD, IAH, and MIA in January 2022:
AUS-ORD - 2659 passengers, 7929 seats, 33.54% load factor
BNA-ORD - 11965 passengers, 28886 seats, 41.42% load factor
BWI-ORD - 10004 passengers, 25550 seats, 39.15% load factor
DAL-ORD - 16201 passengers, 31095 seats, 52.10% load factor
DEN-ORD - 21306 passengers, 34416 seats, 61.91% load factor
FLL-ORD - 5094 passengers, 8580 seats, 59.37% load factor
LAS-ORD - 5979 passengers, 8008 seats, 74.66% load factor
MCO-ORD - 8523 passengers, 11504 seats, 74.09% load factor
ORD-PHX - 13384 passengers, 18082 seats, 74.02% load factor
ORD-RSW - 6478 passengers, 8580 seats, 75.50% load factor
ORD-TPA - 6345 passengers, 10153 seats, 62.49% load factor

BNA-IAH - 10379 passengers, 23428 seats, 44.30% load factor
DAL-IAH - 16809 passengers, 47302 seats, 35.54% load factor
DEN-IAH - 13929 passengers, 20677 seats, 67.36% load factor
IAH-LAS - 6044 passengers, 8836 seats, 68.40% load factor
IAH-MCO - 6416 passengers, 9442 seats, 67.95% load factor
IAH-MDW - 8057 passengers, 15320 seats, 52.59% load factor
IAH-MSY - 7917 passengers, 26606 seats, 29.76% load factor
IAH-PHX - 1383 passengers, 2352 seats, 58.80% load factor
IAH-TPA - 632 passengers, 1859 seats, 34.00% load factor

ATL-MIA - 13543 passengers, 24879 seats, 54.44% load factor
AUS-MIA - 5845 passengers, 9988 seats, 58.52% load factor
BNA-MIA - 11066 passengers, 17085 seats, 64.77% load factor
BWI-MIA - 22824 passengers, 35712 seats, 63.91% load factor
CMH-MIA - 573 passengers, 843 seats, 67.97% load factor
DAL-MIA - 13812 passengers, 21167 seats, 65.25% load factor
DEN-MIA - 10582 passengers, 14549 seats, 72.73% load factor
HOU-MIA - 18978 passengers, 34112 seats, 55.63% load factor
IND-MIA - 598 passengers, 922 seats, 64.86% load factor
MCI-MIA - 572 passengers, 604 seats, 94.70% load factor
MDW-MIA - 16499 passengers, 26505 seats, 62.25% load factor
MIA-MKE - 487 passengers, 747 seats, 65.19% load factor
MIA-MSY - 3608 passengers, 7359 seats, 49.03% load factor
MIA-PIT - 688 passengers, 954 seats, 72.12% load factor
MIA-STL - 6182 passengers, 9459 seats, 65.36% load factor

Hi, how do you get these numbers? Are they public so I could look at the?

The numbers came from the T-100 Domestic Segment Data, which can be obtained from the US DOT BTS website at https://www.transtats.bts.gov/databases ... wrp6_VQF=D.

lat41 · Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:19 am

jplatts wrote:
Here is a comparison between number of domestic passengers, number of seats, and domestic load factors on WN in January 2020 vs. January 2022 in markets where WN serves more than 1 airport:

Baltimore/Washington (BWI/DCA/IAD):
January 2020: 1491617 passengers, 2080334 seats, 71.70% load factor
January 2022: 1007304 passengers (down 32.47% from 1/2020), 1670829 seats, 60.29% load factor (down 11.41% from 1/2020)

Boston (BOS/MHT/PVD):
January 2020: 300431 passengers, 412719 seats, 72.79% load factor
January 2022: 144556 passengers (down 51.88% from 1/2020), 217308 seats, 66.52% load factor (down 6.27% from 1/2020)

Chicago (MDW/ORD):
January 2020: 1225581 passengers, 1654742 seats, 74.06% load factor (ORD not served by WN in 1/2020)
January 2022: 963248 passengers (down 21.40% from 1/2020), 1518016 seats, 63.45% load factor (down 10.61% from 1/2020)

Houston (HOU/IAH):
January 2020: 969318 passengers, 1352657 seats, 71.66% load factor (IAH not served by WN in 1/2020)
January 2022: 804737 passengers (down 16.98% from 1/2020), 1257059 seats, 64.02% load factor (down 7.64% from 1/2020)

Los Angeles (LAX/BUR/LGB/ONT/SNA):
January 2020: 1575328 passengers, 2225909 seats, 70.77% load factor
January 2022: 1109410 passengers (down 29.58% from 1/2020), 1992927 seats, 55.67% load factor (down 15.10% from 1/2020)

Miami (MIA/FLL):
January 2020: 538311 passengers, 683809 seats, 78.72% load factor (MIA not served by WN in 1/2020)
January 2022: 420612 passengers (down 21.86% from 1/2020), 632390 seats, 66.51% load factor (down 12.21% from 1/2020)

New York City (LGA/ISP):
January 2020: 287312 passengers, 406745 seats, 70.64% load factor
January 2022: 173591 passengers (down 39.58% from 1/2020), 327894 seats, 52.94% load factor (down 17.70% from 1/2020)

San Francisco (SFO/OAK/SJC):
January 2020: 1525859 passengers, 2232525 seats, 68.35% load factor
January 2022: 836935 passengers (down 45.15% from 1/2020), 1528612 seats, 54.75% load factor (down 13.60% from 1/2020)

Does the tabulations you quote actually add Manchester NH, MHT Providence, RI PVD in with Boston as one city or are you adding them together yourself? They are in the same region of the country and they overlap but not co-terminals or anything like one destination the way a SFO and OAK are.

MIflyer12 · Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:06 am

1Q22 earnings are out. Loss of $278 million.

Options exercises and -7 conversions mean 81 -8s to be delivered this year, and 21 -7s.

https://www.southwestairlinesinvestorre ... ec-filings

jplatts · Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:13 am

lat41 wrote:
Does the tabulations you quote actually add Manchester NH, MHT Providence, RI PVD in with Boston as one city or are you adding them together yourself? They are in the same region of the country and they overlap but not co-terminals or anything like one destination the way a SFO and OAK are.

I added up the number of passengers and number of seats from BOS, MHT, and PVD to come up with the numbers for Greater Boston (even though I had also mentioned the numbers for each station separately).

The DOT Consumer Airfare Report also treats MHT and PVD as part of the Boston market in addition to BOS.

avi8 · Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:23 am

Let's hope that they do add more routes to restore their network as they mention in the earnings call. We have not seen that yet.

Southwest83 · Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:30 pm

Was talking to a pilot the other day he said they had a class of 30 pilots committed to show up and only 10 showed up. They have multiple offers from other airlines and going with the best option.

Midwestindy · Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:31 pm

avi8 wrote:
Let's hope that they do add more routes to restore their network as they mention in the earnings call. We have not seen that yet.

From the earnings call: "DON'T SEE A PATHWAY YET FOR SUPPLY TO GET BACK TO 2019 LEVELS UNTIL MUCH LATER THIS YEAR"

Sounds like potentially positive capacity in Q4 vs 2019, assuming demand, fuel, and staffing are all in order.

Jshank83 · Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:00 pm

avi8 wrote:
Let's hope that they do add more routes to restore their network as they mention in the earnings call. We have not seen that yet.

I would argue they have been restoring it. Is it fully restored? no. But it is back a fair amount from where it was a year ago.

panam330 · Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:40 pm

Southwest83 wrote:
Was talking to a pilot the other day he said they had a class of 30 pilots committed to show up and only 10 showed up. They have multiple offers from other airlines and going with the best option.

While I have serious doubts about 2/3 no-showing, it's been happening everywhere; WN isn't alone in this. If you can be domiciled in your preferred city and/or get the chance to fly something that isn't a 737 for equal or more money at DL, UA or AA, wouldn't you take another offer too?

MIflyer12 · Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:56 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Let's hope that they do add more routes to restore their network as they mention in the earnings call. We have not seen that yet.

From the earnings call: "DON'T SEE A PATHWAY YET FOR SUPPLY TO GET BACK TO 2019 LEVELS UNTIL MUCH LATER THIS YEAR"

Sounds like potentially positive capacity in Q4 vs 2019, assuming demand, fuel, and staffing are all in order.

I'm going to say they were thinking of ASMs when they said supply, and not revenues. High fares and load factors may give them 100+% of revenues on a bit lower supply.

I don't think WN is the only carrier that will struggle to get back to 100% supply this CY. DL is still replacing the mass of planes they retired, and on their last earnings call, IIRC, they said they still had a 1-2 year backlog in pilot training (after the large displacement bid with 777 pilots and MD88/MD-90 pilots sequentially bumping all down the chain).

jplatts · Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:26 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Let's hope that they do add more routes to restore their network as they mention in the earnings call. We have not seen that yet.

From the earnings call: "DON'T SEE A PATHWAY YET FOR SUPPLY TO GET BACK TO 2019 LEVELS UNTIL MUCH LATER THIS YEAR"

Sounds like potentially positive capacity in Q4 vs 2019, assuming demand, fuel, and staffing are all in order.

Jshank83 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Let's hope that they do add more routes to restore their network as they mention in the earnings call. We have not seen that yet.

I would argue they have been restoring it. Is it fully restored? no. But it is back a fair amount from where it was a year ago.

There are some routes out of Texas that WN was originally planning on operating in Summer 2020 that WN hasn't yet resumed or that have been completely dropped by WN, including the following:
AUS-BOS
AUS-PNS
DAL-BOS
DAL-CLE (Sunday-only)
DAL-DTW
DAL-MSP
HOU-AMA
HOU-BOS
HOU-CLT
HOU-LIT
HOU-MKE
HOU-PIT
HOU-PDX
HOU-SEA

Is WN likely to re-add any of the above routes once WN has more staff and more planes? If so, which of the above routes out of AUS/DAL/HOU are likely to get re-added by WN?

Some other WN routes out of DAL/HOU that WN was originally planning on operating on a daily basis in Summer 2020 are seeing suspensions or less-than-daily nonstop service.

av8tiongeek · Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:07 pm

can someone send this over to WN leadership

https://twitter.com/Diamon1Mark/status/ ... 0304027650

Wneast · Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:45 pm

av8tiongeek wrote:
can someone send this over to WN leadership

https://twitter.com/Diamon1Mark/status/ ... 0304027650

Yeah they could.

barney captain · Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:49 pm

av8tiongeek wrote:
can someone send this over to WN leadership

https://twitter.com/Diamon1Mark/status/ ... 0304027650

If you're looking to streamline and increase the efficiency of an airline, the last thing you would want to do is acquire another one.

sadde · Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:23 pm

Southwest83 wrote:
Was talking to a pilot the other day he said they had a class of 30 pilots committed to show up and only 10 showed up. They have multiple offers from other airlines and going with the best option.

This is misinformation, 20/30 in the class are new instructors. The class was always scheduled at 30 pilots. The training/hiring bottleneck right now is due to an instructor shortage.

MIflyer12 · Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:28 pm

av8tiongeek wrote:
can someone send this over to WN leadership

https://twitter.com/Diamon1Mark/status/ ... 0304027650

That presumes you're willing to terminate routes and frequencies of the other carrier, under the presumption that the assets (planes, people, gates, etc.) will be more profitable under WN ownership... after you pay the buyer's premium to the current other carrier market cap, bring them up to WN wage rates, and pay all of the integration costs.

That reads like somebody on Twitter has little experience in business finance, or M&A specifically.

SXDFC · Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:19 pm

Looks like as of June,

N8619F will be the new Illinois One
N8620H will be the new Tennessee One

n471wn · Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:17 pm

Stupid Southwest management paints a leased aircraft (N918WN) in Illinois One colors then terminates the lease and then has to spend money on doing it on another plane. N918WN is now N707VL with Avelo.

barney captain · Sat Apr 30, 2022 7:02 am

sadde wrote:
Southwest83 wrote:
Was talking to a pilot the other day he said they had a class of 30 pilots committed to show up and only 10 showed up. They have multiple offers from other airlines and going with the best option.

This is misinformation, 20/30 in the class are new instructors. The class was always scheduled at 30 pilots. The training/hiring bottleneck right now is due to an instructor shortage.

Your information is false.

av8tiongeek · Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:44 pm

I'm sure many will agree with Kelly.

https://www.inc.com/kelly-main/southwes ... fired.html

"As it holds on to doing what has served it in the past, it's failing to serve its customers (and its employees) in the present."

"Even the most brilliant growth strategy will fail a business--and its customers--if it doesn't have the infrastructure required to support growth. Southwest is making the rookie mistake of holding onto what got it to where it is, not realizing that this won't get it to where it wants to be. In return, it is fumbling to deliver the value it sells, leaving customers running into the arms (or in this case, seats) of competitors."

FlyingSicilian · Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:11 pm

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/southwes ... 00702.html

This notes they need 35 flight instructors now and up to 60 to train 1200 more pilots.

WaywardMemphian · Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:20 pm

av8tiongeek wrote:
can someone send this over to WN leadership

https://twitter.com/Diamon1Mark/status/ ... 0304027650

And... Alaska is the overall choice. Makes lots of sense outside of Alaska's regional ops.

Helps Hawaii

Helps West Coast particularly PNW.

Gets you into Alaska, kinda like their intra Texas Ops

Gets bunches of Boeing 737s and pilots and FAs and support.

av8tiongeek · Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:35 pm

FlyingSicilian wrote:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/southwest-pulls-back-leisure-destinations-192500702.html

This notes they need 35 flight instructors now and up to 60 to train 1200 more pilots.

from the call -

Mary Schlangenstein

Right. Okay. And how many flight instructors do you need to add to be fully
staffed?

Andrew Watterson

We're looking somewhere between -- to hit our plan, 35 to 38. To exceed
our plan, a little north of that, say, 50 to 60.

BMWdrvr75 · Sat Apr 30, 2022 7:05 pm

av8tiongeek wrote:
can someone send this over to WN leadership

https://twitter.com/Diamon1Mark/status/ ... 0304027650

and this…..

https://www.inc.com/kelly-main/southwes ... fired.html

BMWdrvr75 · Sat Apr 30, 2022 7:06 pm

WaywardMemphian wrote:
av8tiongeek wrote:
can someone send this over to WN leadership

https://twitter.com/Diamon1Mark/status/ ... 0304027650

And... Alaska is the overall choice. Makes lots of sense outside of Alaska's regional ops.

Helps Hawaii

Helps West Coast particularly PNW.

Gets you into Alaska, kinda like their intra Texas Ops

Gets bunches of Boeing 737s and pilots and FAs and support.

An Alaska merger would be a shame it would ruin such a good product that Alaska has worked so hard for over the last 75+ years.

AC4500 · Sat Apr 30, 2022 7:11 pm

AS and WN won't merge. WN wouldn't hold on to the intra-Alaska network, nor the E175s.There's no point in even discussing it.

Wneast · Sat Apr 30, 2022 7:14 pm

AC4500 wrote:
AS and WN won't merge. WN wouldn't hold on to the intra-Alaska network, nor the E175s.There's no point in even discussing it.

In this climate can you say it won’t happen yeah it’s unlikely but stuff has changed in the past few months like come did we think B6 wanted NK…no.

AWACSooner · Sat Apr 30, 2022 8:39 pm

SXDFC wrote:
Looks like as of June,

N8619F will be the new Illinois One
N8620H will be the new Tennessee One

And still WN craps on their second state outside Texas by giving nearly every other state in their network a plane EXCEPT Oklahoma!

alpine1989 · Sun May 01, 2022 3:29 pm

WaywardMemphian wrote:
av8tiongeek wrote:
can someone send this over to WN leadership

https://twitter.com/Diamon1Mark/status/ ... 0304027650

And... Alaska is the overall choice. Makes lots of sense outside of Alaska's regional ops.

Helps Hawaii

Helps West Coast particularly PNW.

Gets you into Alaska, kinda like their intra Texas Ops

Gets bunches of Boeing 737s and pilots and FAs and support.

Southwest is not going to buy another airline to get more jets. Have you seen the order book?

B737-7 Max firm = 248
B737-8 Max firm = 211
B737 Max options = 183

Staffing the jets and hiring supporting station personnel is the challenge.

WaywardMemphian · Sun May 01, 2022 8:26 pm

Is there anything "firm" about the Max 7, just askin'.

Ordering them and getting them into revenue service seems tricky.

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