United Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

SEAorPWM · Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:17 am

CriticalPoint wrote:
SEAorPWM wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

Everyone always thinks it’s a 1 for 1 replacement. Yes a -10 is probably too big for a 767 route. You up the gauge to a -10 on a 777ER or -9 route then put that on a 767 route and the 767 goes away.

Most routes that a 767 flies today can be better flown with a -9 due to the fuel and MX savings.

Except the 77E's will be covered by this order if I understand the Bloomberg article excerpts correctly. The first 77E will turn 30 in 2026.

Of course it will but there will be ERs flying until 2030. They don’t just all go away in one day.

By the same token, I would imagine the youngest 763's (98-03) will be around until the late part of this decade.

calpsafltskeds · Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:19 am

763 Maint:
N641UA en route XMN 2733/3Dec.
Could be maint, but since last 789 is leaving XMN today, it could be start of 763 30J mod program to add PP seats.

Cmac787 · Sat Dec 03, 2022 12:13 pm

Paint update
319
N884UA is scheduled to enter AMA paint for Evo blue livery F2761/03 Dec
Last China southern 319 to enter service

SEAorPWM · Sat Dec 03, 2022 12:29 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
763 Maint:
N641UA en route XMN 2733/3Dec.
Could be maint, but since last 789 is leaving XMN today, it could be start of 763 30J mod program to add PP seats.

Since it sounds like all of the 763's may be gone in 3-5 years, is UA still going ahead with this?

DL757NYC · Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:00 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
DL757NYC wrote:
AirplaneWizard wrote:
The 767 is the most comfortable plane in their fleet. Sad to see it go in the next few years but the 300s are pushing 20-25 years at the minimum.

Could Airbus entice United with the A330-900neos for the 772 replacements?

Latam, ANA and Japan Air have significant 767-300 fleets 2005-2014 delivery. Latam is in bancruptcy and ANA is retiring all 767’s they can outbid cargo operators because they don’t have to factor in cargo conversion costs. UA can easily replenish the fleet with low time airframes and let future development in the MOM play out. They did go to Boeing and ask for new build 767. They were denied I have a feeling Airbus smells blood and can announce in the coming years a true MOM for EIS 2032.

LATAM is not in bankruptcy. https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... chapter-11

Ok they exited a few weeks ago.sorry I haven’t kept up on the latest LATAM financials. I’ve been out there on the ramp battling the weather and the holiday rush. They still are in financial trouble. They are parking aircraft.

DL757NYC · Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:25 pm

Is there a posting in this thread the status of the 757 both UA/CO fleet. Back during the pandemic some UA legacy 757’s were parked and never returned.They have 20k cycles in the clock seems rather early for retirement.

gon2fly · Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:33 pm

DL757NYC wrote:
Is there a posting in this thread the status of the 757 both UA/CO fleet. Back during the pandemic some UA legacy 757’s were parked and never returned.They have 20k cycles in the clock seems rather early for retirement.

All legacy UAL 752s have been permanently parked. CAL 752s (40 frames) and 753s (21 frames), all with Rolls Royce motors, comprise the active 757 fleet.

jbs2886 · Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:12 pm

DL757NYC wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
DL757NYC wrote:

Latam, ANA and Japan Air have significant 767-300 fleets 2005-2014 delivery. Latam is in bancruptcy and ANA is retiring all 767’s they can outbid cargo operators because they don’t have to factor in cargo conversion costs. UA can easily replenish the fleet with low time airframes and let future development in the MOM play out. They did go to Boeing and ask for new build 767. They were denied I have a feeling Airbus smells blood and can announce in the coming years a true MOM for EIS 2032.

LATAM is not in bankruptcy. https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... chapter-11

Ok they exited a few weeks ago.sorry I haven’t kept up on the latest LATAM financials. I’ve been out there on the ramp battling the weather and the holiday rush. They still are in financial trouble. They are parking aircraft.

LATAM is acquiring aircraft. Either way, I corrected a false statement, not rudely whatsoever, and your response is to be rude and defensive? That’s on you.

crownvic · Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:41 pm

Do any UA experts here know why United ran a 764 between LHR and KMCO UAL 2505. Maintenaance reposition? There were no sporting events that would justify it?

SXDFC · Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:00 pm

gon2fly wrote:
DL757NYC wrote:
Is there a posting in this thread the status of the 757 both UA/CO fleet. Back during the pandemic some UA legacy 757’s were parked and never returned.They have 20k cycles in the clock seems rather early for retirement.

All legacy UAL 752s have been permanently parked. CAL 752s (40 frames) and 753s (21 frames), all with Rolls Royce motors, comprise the active 757 fleet.

Always wondered why UA parked the legacy UAL 757s and kept just the RR 757s? Was there ever an airline that was able to operate both RR and PW 757s for a long period of time and be profitable?

DreamDriver · Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:15 pm

SXDFC wrote:
gon2fly wrote:
DL757NYC wrote:
Is there a posting in this thread the status of the 757 both UA/CO fleet. Back during the pandemic some UA legacy 757’s were parked and never returned.They have 20k cycles in the clock seems rather early for retirement.

All legacy UAL 752s have been permanently parked. CAL 752s (40 frames) and 753s (21 frames), all with Rolls Royce motors, comprise the active 757 fleet.

Always wondered why UA parked the legacy UAL 757s and kept just the RR 757s? Was there ever an airline that was able to operate both RR and PW 757s for a long period of time and be profitable?

Some of them were approaching 30 years old, and from some buddies the mx required wasn't worth the effort. UA also probably thought they could refresh the fleet and save mx and fuel costs with the 73Max.

UAinAUS · Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:17 pm

UAX Update:

E145XR:
N10156 exited ROW in EvoBlu livery

E175:
N85320 exited MCN in EvoBlu livery
N89321 entered MCN paint

CR5:
The following entered IGM storage: N530GJ, N532GJ, N533GJ

Air Wisconsin CR2:
N405AW parked at ROW
N427ZW parked at ROW
N465AW parked at ROW
N433AW returned to flying
N469AW returned to flying

Skywest CR2:
N913EV returned to flying
The following parked at TUS: N431SW, N432SW, N433SW, N438SW, N453SW, N455SW, N905EV, N925SW, N926SW, N960SW, N979SW, N699BR, N874AS

ScorpioMC3 · Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:12 am

crownvic wrote:
Do any UA experts here know why United ran a 764 between LHR and KMCO UAL 2505. Maintenaance reposition? There were no sporting events that would justify it?

It was a private charter.

crownvic · Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:36 am

ScorpioMC3 wrote:
crownvic wrote:
Do any UA experts here know why United ran a 764 between LHR and KMCO UAL 2505. Maintenaance reposition? There were no sporting events that would justify it?

It was a private charter.

thank you..thats somewhat unusual....

jonahsachs · Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:13 am

SXDFC wrote:
gon2fly wrote:
DL757NYC wrote:
Is there a posting in this thread the status of the 757 both UA/CO fleet. Back during the pandemic some UA legacy 757’s were parked and never returned.They have 20k cycles in the clock seems rather early for retirement.

All legacy UAL 752s have been permanently parked. CAL 752s (40 frames) and 753s (21 frames), all with Rolls Royce motors, comprise the active 757 fleet.

Always wondered why UA parked the legacy UAL 757s and kept just the RR 757s? Was there ever an airline that was able to operate both RR and PW 757s for a long period of time and be profitable?

Weird. And the seat map in flight status shows that a bunch of economy seats and one Polaris were occupied. Odd.

RyanairGuru · Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:09 am

jonahsachs wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
gon2fly wrote:

All legacy UAL 752s have been permanently parked. CAL 752s (40 frames) and 753s (21 frames), all with Rolls Royce motors, comprise the active 757 fleet.

Always wondered why UA parked the legacy UAL 757s and kept just the RR 757s? Was there ever an airline that was able to operate both RR and PW 757s for a long period of time and be profitable?

Weird. And the seat map in flight status shows that a bunch of economy seats and one Polaris were occupied. Odd.

One Polaris sounds like pilot rest. LHR-MCO would require three crew.

calpsafltskeds · Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:33 pm

763:
N677UA sked to exit ROW 2752/4Dec, destination MIA for expected maint.
Aircraft was in revenue service until 11/20, then 14 days in ROW. Expect it was painted, but can't confirm.

calpsafltskeds · Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:47 pm

DreamDriver wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
gon2fly wrote:

All legacy UAL 752s have been permanently parked. CAL 752s (40 frames) and 753s (21 frames), all with Rolls Royce motors, comprise the active 757 fleet.

Always wondered why UA parked the legacy UAL 757s and kept just the RR 757s? Was there ever an airline that was able to operate both RR and PW 757s for a long period of time and be profitable?

Some of them were approaching 30 years old, and from some buddies the mx required wasn't worth the effort. UA also probably thought they could refresh the fleet and save mx and fuel costs with the 73Max.

Of the 99 units, only 10 were under 29 years old at this time and a small fleet didn't make sense. All, except N591UA, which was lost in 9/11, were sold, many to FedEx and about 6 going to Northern Pacific soon. Many of the 1990-1993 units were also sold and flying for FedEx, so UA got plenty of life out of the 752s and was able to sell most when retired.

DreamDriver · Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:09 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
763:
N677UA sked to exit ROW 2752/4Dec, destination MIA for expected maint.
Aircraft was in revenue service until 11/20, then 14 days in ROW. Expect it was painted, but can't confirm.

Thx, Was curious what was happening with N677UA. Did not know the contracted painters (IAC) had a place in ROW, but it would make total sense if they did. AMA, FTW, VCV, maybe ROW?

SgtBarone · Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:52 pm

763:
N668UA sked to ferry HKG-NRT 2688/6Dec to exit mx:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N668UA

772:
N77012 sked to ferry XMN-NRT 2741/7Dec to exit mx:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N77012

Bert65 · Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:00 pm

DreamDriver wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
763:
N677UA sked to exit ROW 2752/4Dec, destination MIA for expected maint.
Aircraft was in revenue service until 11/20, then 14 days in ROW. Expect it was painted, but can't confirm.

Thx, Was curious what was happening with N677UA. Did not know the contracted painters (IAC) had a place in ROW, but it would make total sense if they did. AMA, FTW, VCV, maybe ROW?

N653UA (Star Alliance) will enter ROW, so I also guess it is for paint.

DreamDriver · Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:51 pm

Bert65 wrote:
DreamDriver wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
763:
N677UA sked to exit ROW 2752/4Dec, destination MIA for expected maint.
Aircraft was in revenue service until 11/20, then 14 days in ROW. Expect it was painted, but can't confirm.

Thx, Was curious what was happening with N677UA. Did not know the contracted painters (IAC) had a place in ROW, but it would make total sense if they did. AMA, FTW, VCV, maybe ROW?

N653UA (Star Alliance) will enter ROW, so I also guess it is for paint.

Found this a/c painter in ROW.... https://www.deanbaldwinpainting.com/commercial Need to verify if UAL a/c are there, which could mean we are increasing the new livery throughput. Lots of a/c need a new paint job...all of the 787-8s, many of the -9s, 772s, and the remaining 76 fleet. The 76s look really good in new paint.

calpsafltskeds · Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:49 am

78X New Delivery:
N14019 sked to exit IAH Induction 2675/5Dec - first revenue flight.

chrisnh · Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:18 pm

New 78X over my house near CHS on Saturday, arriving after several loops out over the coast.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/eoeG2UUu2UBcyXEK7

SgtBarone · Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:19 pm

320:
N407UA sked to ferry LCQ-IAH 2762/5Dec to exit mx:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N407UA

788:
N26902 sked to ferry VCV-ORD 2736/6Dec to exit mx:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N26902

Cmac787 · Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:55 am

New Delivery
79M
N77543 is scheduled to enter LAX induction F2715/06 Dec

Cmac787 · Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:53 am

N14016. The last 787-10 in CHS for UA. All the others are in PAE

chrisnh wrote:
New 78X over my house near CHS on Saturday, arriving after several loops out over the coast.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/eoeG2UUu2UBcyXEK7

SgtBarone · Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:26 pm

753:
N75854 sked to ferry PNS-ORD 2700/6Dec to exit mx:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N75854

78X:
N14011 sked to ferry XMN-GUM-LAX 2739/7Dec to exit mx:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N14011

wacgocrazy · Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:10 am

AMA Paint flights:

767-300 6462 (N662UA) 2751/Dec6 IAH-AMA going in.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N662UA

A319 4042 (N849UA) 2759/Dec6 AMA-IAH
Coming out with EvoBlue
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N849UA

FlyHossD · Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:08 pm

wacgocrazy wrote:
AMA Paint flights:

767-300 6462 (N662UA) 2751/Dec6 IAH-AMA going in.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N662UA

A319 4042 (N849UA) 2759/Dec6 AMA-IAH
Coming out with EvoBlue
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N849UA

Minor point, but isn’t N849UA fleet number 4049?

wacgocrazy · Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:18 pm

FlyHossD wrote:
wacgocrazy wrote:
AMA Paint flights:

767-300 6462 (N662UA) 2751/Dec6 IAH-AMA going in.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N662UA

A319 4042 (N849UA) 2759/Dec6 AMA-IAH
Coming out with EvoBlue
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N849UA

Minor point, but isn’t N849UA fleet number 4049?

Yes. Error on my part.

zachary165 · Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:03 pm

YX starting to take delivery of new E175s

N753YX
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N753YX/history

N754YX
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N754YX/history

SgtBarone · Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:41 pm

738:
N17229 sked to ferry TPA-IAH 2743/7Dec to exit mx:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N17229

788:
N27903 sked to ferry SIN-SFO 2747/9Dec to exit mx:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N27903

787luvr · Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:34 am

Any insight on the first two 764 mods in HKG? It seems their completion dates have slipped from November to late December or January.

audidudi · Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:32 am

787luvr wrote:
Any insight on the first two 764 mods in HKG? It seems their completion dates have slipped from November to late December or January.

N68061 was the first 764 to be completed at HKG, departed on Oct 21, and entered service on Nov 5.

calpsafltskeds · Thu Dec 08, 2022 6:16 am

320 Paint:
N411UA entered AMA 2761/7Dec for EvoBlu livery

The original 764 out dates were based on a standard 45 days, but an update shows at least the first couple are taking longer.

intotheair · Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:49 am

One very minor thing, but I noticed that N430UA and N431UA appear on the Mainline Fleet Exit spreadsheet. They're listed as being retired as of 2019. However, it looks like at least 430 is still flying for UA?

Cmac787 · Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:25 pm

Both aircraft have reentered service

quote="intotheair"]One very minor thing, but I noticed that N430UA and N431UA appear on the Mainline Fleet Exit spreadsheet. They're listed as being retired as of 2019. However, it looks like at least 430 is still flying for UA?[/quote]

calpsafltskeds · Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:32 pm

Noted on exit list N430/431UA returned to service. Thanks for catching it.

SgtBarone · Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:52 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Noted on exit list N430/431UA returned to service. Thanks for catching it.

Calpsafltskeds—one other correction—78X N14019 is linking to N13018’s page on FlightAware. Thanks.

drdisque · Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:14 pm

zachary165 wrote:
YX starting to take delivery of new E175s

N753YX
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N753YX/history

N754YX
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N754YX/history

Do we know if these are 70 or 76 seat?

Cmac787 · Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:32 pm

Most likely 70 Seats. In order to get 76 seats UA would need to order small narrow body per the pilot agreement

drdisque wrote:
zachary165 wrote:
YX starting to take delivery of new E175s

N753YX
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N753YX/history

N754YX
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N754YX/history

Do we know if these are 70 or 76 seat?

EssentialBusDC · Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:41 pm

It may have been confirmed up thread already, but the 321’s will be P&W powered per the differences training for current Airbus pilots.

adamblang · Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:18 am

Sounds like Tuesday is 787 order announcement day:

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 022-12-08/

SEAorPWM · Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:41 am

Shame the younger Polaris 763's only have about 2-4 years left though...

:cry2:

calpsafltskeds · Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:38 am

757-200 reconfiguration:
N17104 sked to exit GSO 2761 7Dec with 16J/42E+/118Y configuration

ContinentalEWR · Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:01 pm

Regarding the A350 delivery....what is really to happen with it? I guess anything is possible, but it seems more likely that the A350 order will be cancelled (it has been reported that the cost to do so won't be prohibitive) or more likely, converted into a narrow body order for more A321 types, and potentially more to replace the A319/A320 fleet, which UA will need to do at some point. The anticipated 787 order to be announced seems like it will be a solution for the aging 763/772 fleets for the most part.

Yes, this has been discussed previously here but a massive 787 order does, like it or not, put the A350 order back in play for repurposing or cancellation.

SEAorPWM · Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:30 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
Regarding the A350 delivery....what is really to happen with it? I guess anything is possible, but it seems more likely that the A350 order will be cancelled (it has been reported that the cost to do so won't be prohibitive) or more likely, converted into a narrow body order for more A321 types, and potentially more to replace the A319/A320 fleet, which UA will need to do at some point. The anticipated 787 order to be announced seems like it will be a solution for the aging 763/772 fleets for the most part.

Yes, this has been discussed previously here but a massive 787 order does, like it or not, put the A350 order back in play for repurposing or cancellation.

I thought the big MAX/NEO order was going to be used to start replacing the oldest A320's (turning 30 next year)?

adamblang · Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:39 pm

I imagine we’ll find out about the A350s Tuesday.

SgtBarone · Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:42 pm

772:
N797UA sked to ferry HKG-GUM 2783/10Dec to exit mx:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N797UA

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