United Airlines Network Thread - 2022

LHUSA · Sat May 07, 2022 6:53 pm

mmahpeel wrote:
Lots of cuts for June - must be related to further delays returning the PW 777s, resulting is scrambling to cover the schedule.

Gone as far as I can tell, there are probably more:

EWR-HNL
EWR-OGG
IAD-HNL
IAD-GRU
IAD-GVA
IAD-DUB

At some point wouldn't it be nice if UA actually said what is happening with the PW 777s?

It's not up to United to say, as the decision to certify is not theirs. That's up to the FAA and Boeing. United has addressed this internally and has confirmed these cuts are directly related to the 777PWs.

dcajet · Sat May 07, 2022 10:10 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Effective today, UA818/9 IAH-EZE-IAH is being upgauged to the 77E from the 789, adding 20-25 more seats daily in each direction.

The UA service to EZE from IAH has been flown with the 77E previously and it is great to see the route doing well.

The 777-224ER (not 222), with the very occasional 77W if loads warranted it, was used on the route until March 2020, when service was suspended due to COVID. It had been 787-9s since service resumption.

PITFlyer330 · Sat May 07, 2022 10:21 pm

EWR ARN also gone https://twitter.com/thepointsguy/status ... sHTiMMNsbQ

ScorpioMC3 · Sat May 07, 2022 10:26 pm

mmahpeel wrote:
Lots of cuts for June - must be related to further delays returning the PW 777s, resulting is scrambling to cover the schedule.

Gone as far as I can tell, there are probably more:

EWR-HNL
EWR-OGG
IAD-HNL
IAD-GRU
IAD-GVA
IAD-DUB

At some point wouldn't it be nice if UA actually said what is happening with the PW 777s?

Still waiting for the FAA to sign off. Return to service has been pushed back until mid June last I heard but at the rate it's going who knows if that's going to stick.
The 757/767 fleet and pilot pool is being stretched so thin right now.

LAXdude1023 · Sat May 07, 2022 10:43 pm

EWR-NRT too. That one does surprise me.

ContinentalEWR · Sun May 08, 2022 12:11 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
EWR-NRT too. That one does surprise me.

It is, though the market skews business, and connecting traffic through NH and UA can have NH do the flying out of JFK, to HND for the time being until it resumes. Not a whole lot of leisure traffic going to Japan in Summer typically, but with Japan slowly reopening in June, I am wondering if there would have been an uptick in bookings. Guessing UA looked at the revenue and figured these were all routes it could suspend. IAD-GRU not surprising at all, and neither is IAD-GVA.

ContinentalEWR · Sun May 08, 2022 12:12 am

dcajet wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Effective today, UA818/9 IAH-EZE-IAH is being upgauged to the 77E from the 789, adding 20-25 more seats daily in each direction.

The UA service to EZE from IAH has been flown with the 77E previously and it is great to see the route doing well.

The 777-224ER (not 222), with the very occasional 77W if loads warranted it, was used on the route until March 2020, when service was suspended due to COVID. It had been 787-9s since service resumption.

The route was launched in 2005 by CO, on a 767-200ER. It was up gauged by CO to a 777-200ER, which remained pretty much the mainstay of the operation through and past the merger. The 787-9 was used, along with SCL, from IAH, for a time before the pandemic.

mmahpeel · Sun May 08, 2022 3:48 am

It's not up to United to say, as the decision to certify is not theirs. That's up to the FAA and Boeing. United has addressed this internally and has confirmed these cuts are directly related to the 777PWs.[/quote]

In as much as United has previously decided to build their aircraft schedule to include the PW777s as early as March 2022, and seeing this has not come to pass month after month despite United marketing a specific schedule and then ceaselessly having to re-accommodate displaced passengers, let alone the complete mess this has placed on the crews whose trip pairings have fallen apart, one might consider that United needs to address this further than what you describe as 'internally'.

I assure you, United has not addressed this 'internally' with those on the front lines, nor with their customers who are facing yet again numerous changes to their travel plans in some cases with less than 3 weeks notice.

UA444 · Sun May 08, 2022 4:24 am

Most of the 777-222ERs have been in storage for two and a half years with COVID and the grounding. Less hours and cycles than they otherwise would've had by this point is nice.

redrooster3 · Sun May 08, 2022 11:31 am

ContinentalEWR wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Effective today, UA818/9 IAH-EZE-IAH is being upgauged to the 77E from the 789, adding 20-25 more seats daily in each direction.

The UA service to EZE from IAH has been flown with the 77E previously and it is great to see the route doing well.

IAH got some nice upgrades this last week seeing UA880 (LHR #1) reimplemented and AMS upgauged to 777. Now all IAH needs is SYD and FRA #2 back to be back at pre-Covid levels in terms of widebody international flights. Does anybody even remember the second daily flight # IAH-FRA was?

ContinentalEWR · Sun May 08, 2022 11:49 am

UA444 wrote:
Most of the 777-222ERs have been in storage for two and a half years with COVID and the grounding. Less hours and cycles than they otherwise would've had by this point is nice.

What has been in storage is the legacy UA 777-200 fleet, correct (the -As and the 200ER's)? The legacy CO birds, all of which are GE90 powered are flying. Is that correct? Not really been following this. I don't fly United much but I will be next month on one of the expansion TATL routes from FCO to EWR which will be operated on a 772.

Golfmikey · Sun May 08, 2022 2:06 pm

Kinda a network question…just noticed today “new gates” in Newark…c71 T-Z I’m guessing temp hard stands close to the old A gates? How long will they be in use for? I feel like they just appeared out of the blue

UALFAson · Sun May 08, 2022 2:26 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
dcajet wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:

The UA service to EZE from IAH has been flown with the 77E previously and it is great to see the route doing well.

The 777-224ER (not 222), with the very occasional 77W if loads warranted it, was used on the route until March 2020, when service was suspended due to COVID. It had been 787-9s since service resumption.

The route was launched in 2005 by CO, on a 767-200ER. It was up gauged by CO to a 777-200ER, which remained pretty much the mainstay of the operation through and past the merger. The 787-9 was used, along with SCL, from IAH, for a time before the pandemic.

I flew IAH-EZE-IAH in March 2013 (spring break in grad school, so I am positive of the timeline) and we most definitely were on UA 767-300s both ways. This was when EWR-EZE was operating as well; not sure if the re-upgauge happened once EWR service was dropped, but IAH was a 767 for some amount of time in the early-to-mid 2010s.

Nicknuzzii · Sun May 08, 2022 3:10 pm

Golfmikey wrote:
Kinda a network question…just noticed today “new gates” in Newark…c71 T-Z I’m guessing temp hard stands close to the old A gates? How long will they be in use for? I feel like they just appeared out of the blue

Where are they?

Pinto · Sun May 08, 2022 4:01 pm

redrooster3 wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Effective today, UA818/9 IAH-EZE-IAH is being upgauged to the 77E from the 789, adding 20-25 more seats daily in each direction.

The UA service to EZE from IAH has been flown with the 77E previously and it is great to see the route doing well.

IAH got some nice upgrades this last week seeing UA880 (LHR #1) reimplemented and AMS upgauged to 777. Now all IAH needs is SYD and FRA #2 back to be back at pre-Covid levels in terms of widebody international flights. Does anybody even remember the second daily flight # IAH-FRA was?

I don't ever remeber a 2nd daily IAH - FRA, atleast not in recent years

LAXdude1023 · Sun May 08, 2022 4:17 pm

Pinto wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:

The UA service to EZE from IAH has been flown with the 77E previously and it is great to see the route doing well.

IAH got some nice upgrades this last week seeing UA880 (LHR #1) reimplemented and AMS upgauged to 777. Now all IAH needs is SYD and FRA #2 back to be back at pre-Covid levels in terms of widebody international flights. Does anybody even remember the second daily flight # IAH-FRA was?

I don't ever remeber a 2nd daily IAH - FRA, atleast not in recent years

There hasn’t ever been a 2nd daily IAH-FRA on UA metal. Maybe they are thinking of IAH-MUC. As for IAH-SYD, it’s back October 30. Given that fares and loads are through the roof to Australia right now and that’s the beginning of high season, I expect IAH-SYD to start then.

redrooster3 · Sun May 08, 2022 6:50 pm

Pinto wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:

The UA service to EZE from IAH has been flown with the 77E previously and it is great to see the route doing well.

IAH got some nice upgrades this last week seeing UA880 (LHR #1) reimplemented and AMS upgauged to 777. Now all IAH needs is SYD and FRA #2 back to be back at pre-Covid levels in terms of widebody international flights. Does anybody even remember the second daily flight # IAH-FRA was?

I don't ever remeber a 2nd daily IAH - FRA, atleast not in recent years

I could’ve sworn there was a FRA #2, but I guess that’s the reason I can’t remember the flight number because it never existed. Either way glad to see things returning to normal.

dcajet · Sun May 08, 2022 7:03 pm

UALFAson wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
dcajet wrote:

The 777-224ER (not 222), with the very occasional 77W if loads warranted it, was used on the route until March 2020, when service was suspended due to COVID. It had been 787-9s since service resumption.

The route was launched in 2005 by CO, on a 767-200ER. It was up gauged by CO to a 777-200ER, which remained pretty much the mainstay of the operation through and past the merger. The 787-9 was used, along with SCL, from IAH, for a time before the pandemic.

I flew IAH-EZE-IAH in March 2013 (spring break in grad school, so I am positive of the timeline) and we most definitely were on UA 767-300s both ways. This was when EWR-EZE was operating as well; not sure if the re-upgauge happened once EWR service was dropped, but IAH was a 767 for some amount of time in the early-to-mid 2010s.

Ever since Continental started flying IAH-EZE on 14DEC2005, the route has seen pretty much every long haul type operated by both CO and post merger UA, except for the 744 and the 787-10, whether scheduled or a last minute substitution.

CO used the 762 initially, and IIRC the 764 was used for a while before deploying the 77E. Post merger, the 763 took over (can't recall now if the 764 was ever used by United on the route, for sure UA deployed it on the EWR-EZE route), then the 777 (200 and the 300 on a few occasions) as well as the 787 8 and 9.

Golfmikey · Mon May 09, 2022 10:47 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Golfmikey wrote:
Kinda a network question…just noticed today “new gates” in Newark…c71 T-Z I’m guessing temp hard stands close to the old A gates? How long will they be in use for? I feel like they just appeared out of the blue

Where are they?

Next to where you get the bus to terminal A

ContinentalEWR · Mon May 09, 2022 11:17 am

dcajet wrote:
UALFAson wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:

The route was launched in 2005 by CO, on a 767-200ER. It was up gauged by CO to a 777-200ER, which remained pretty much the mainstay of the operation through and past the merger. The 787-9 was used, along with SCL, from IAH, for a time before the pandemic.

I flew IAH-EZE-IAH in March 2013 (spring break in grad school, so I am positive of the timeline) and we most definitely were on UA 767-300s both ways. This was when EWR-EZE was operating as well; not sure if the re-upgauge happened once EWR service was dropped, but IAH was a 767 for some amount of time in the early-to-mid 2010s.

Ever since Continental started flying IAH-EZE on 14DEC2005, the route has seen pretty much every long haul type operated by both CO and post merger UA, except for the 744 and the 787-10, whether scheduled or a last minute substitution.

CO used the 762 initially, and IIRC the 764 was used for a while before deploying the 77E. Post merger, the 763 took over (can't recall now if the 764 was ever used by United on the route, for sure UA deployed it on the EWR-EZE route), then the 777 (200 and the 300 on a few occasions) as well as the 787 8 and 9.

UA has operated EWR-EZE twice. It launched the route in April 2012, shifting it from IAD to EWR, and used the 767-300ER. It was suspended in 2014, along with UA's short lived EWR-IST route. UA relaunched EWR-EZE in 2017, and quickly up gauged it to the 767-400ER, then dropped it in 2019, before the pandemic and it has not operated out of EWR since. In the distant past, UA operated JFK-EZE nonstop, long before the merger, and then that route moved to IAD.

cosyr · Mon May 09, 2022 12:15 pm

Golfmikey wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Golfmikey wrote:
Kinda a network question…just noticed today “new gates” in Newark…c71 T-Z I’m guessing temp hard stands close to the old A gates? How long will they be in use for? I feel like they just appeared out of the blue

Where are they?

Next to where you get the bus to terminal A

I think he meant, where are the planes parked that the buses take you to. I'm wondering that as well.

codc10 · Mon May 09, 2022 12:32 pm

cosyr wrote:
Golfmikey wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

Where are they?

Next to where you get the bus to terminal A

I think he meant, where are the planes parked that the buses take you to. I'm wondering that as well.

I believe the same hardstands west of C-3, but the bus operation is now at 71, where the inter-terminal shuttle and ABE bus typically operate.

rjbesikof · Mon May 09, 2022 6:15 pm

FRA took a hit with this weekend's pull down:
-EWR 2nd daily inaugural delayed to 8/1/2022
-ORD (not mentioned but I checked it) and SFO 2nd daily flights are suspended from 6/3/2022 to 6/30/2022
Why did they pick to suspend these routes over unproven ones like PMI and TFS?
https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220509-uamay22

IrishAyes · Mon May 09, 2022 6:34 pm

rjbesikof wrote:
FRA took a hit with this weekend's pull down:
-EWR 2nd daily inaugural delayed to 8/1/2022
-ORD (not mentioned but I checked it) and SFO 2nd daily flights are suspended from 6/3/2022 to 6/30/2022
Why did they pick to suspend these routes over unproven ones like PMI and TFS?
https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220509-uamay22

The work, effort and commitment to flying new routes like PMI and TFS take years.....and requires a lot of relationship building with the airport authorities, marketing/sales, operations, etc. when launching a new station. Plus, these flights are going to be operated on narrow body frames from the EWR hub which is lower risk. It would be a HUGE PR nightmare for UA to cancel new stations before/around the time of launch.

FRA is hub-to-hub and has a JV partner that flies multi-daily flights to markets like ORD/SFO/EWR, so therefore, these flight suspensions for a few weeks is much easier to justify, even though they're somewhat close-in.

fun2fly · Mon May 09, 2022 6:56 pm

IrishAyes wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
FRA took a hit with this weekend's pull down:
-EWR 2nd daily inaugural delayed to 8/1/2022
-ORD (not mentioned but I checked it) and SFO 2nd daily flights are suspended from 6/3/2022 to 6/30/2022
Why did they pick to suspend these routes over unproven ones like PMI and TFS?
https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220509-uamay22

The work, effort and commitment to flying new routes like PMI and TFS take years.....and requires a lot of relationship building with the airport authorities, marketing/sales, operations, etc. when launching a new station. Plus, these flights are going to be operated on narrow body frames from the EWR hub which is lower risk. It would be a HUGE PR nightmare for UA to cancel new stations before/around the time of launch.

FRA is hub-to-hub and has a JV partner that flies multi-daily flights to markets like ORD/SFO/EWR, so therefore, these flight suspensions for a few weeks is much easier to justify, even though they're somewhat close-in.

Many of the FRA flights also have onward destinations that UA can reroute over any of the partner hubs. Luckily, I'm on LH heading over the pond and the "remaining" EWR>FRA flight next week. There goes the upgrade possibility.

maverick4002 · Mon May 09, 2022 8:07 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Effective today, UA818/9 IAH-EZE-IAH is being upgauged to the 77E from the 789, adding 20-25 more seats daily in each direction.

The UA service to EZE from IAH has been flown with the 77E previously and it is great to see the route doing well.

I flew this route in November 2019 on the 777 and the tv didnt work so UA give me $200 credit! This was an economy flight which I was able to use to go to Belize in May 2021

dcajet · Tue May 10, 2022 1:23 am

Newark EWR - Stockholm ARN, which was to begin on 26MAY was pulled from the schedule and won't operate this summer 2022.

aden23 · Tue May 10, 2022 1:46 am

UA just started running daily DEN-EWR on a 787-9 this month.

The flights all look to be almost completely booked, including almost all Polaris seats (not upgrades).

This must be a profitable route for them to dedicate a 787-9 to? Or perhaps they are just getting ready to retire the 757's?

Either way, it's a great new option for DEN travelers.

ikolkyo · Tue May 10, 2022 1:58 am

aden23 wrote:
UA just started running daily DEN-EWR on a 787-9 this month.

The flights all look to be almost completely booked, including almost all Polaris seats (not upgrades).

This must be a profitable route for them to dedicate a 787-9 to? Or perhaps they are just getting ready to retire the 757's?

Either way, it's a great new option for DEN travelers.

Probably helps move 787-9s arounds the system, similar to how DL runs an A332 ATL-DTW so that aircraft can operate a TATL flight. I know UA has many other similar flights.

SFOtoORD · Tue May 10, 2022 2:06 am

dcajet wrote:
Newark EWR - Stockholm ARN, which was to begin on 26MAY was pulled from the schedule and won't operate this summer 2022.

Wow, that is a late change. I assume they’ll just route everyone on LH. Wonder what the issue is.

dcajet · Tue May 10, 2022 2:25 am

SFOtoORD wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Newark EWR - Stockholm ARN, which was to begin on 26MAY was pulled from the schedule and won't operate this summer 2022.

Wow, that is a late change. I assume they’ll just route everyone on LH. Wonder what the issue is.

Wondering the same too. I'd think bookings were not as expected and/or shortage of planes (though IIRC this was on a 757)....

LHUSA · Tue May 10, 2022 2:28 am

dcajet wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Newark EWR - Stockholm ARN, which was to begin on 26MAY was pulled from the schedule and won't operate this summer 2022.

Wow, that is a late change. I assume they’ll just route everyone on LH. Wonder what the issue is.

Wondering the same too. I'd think bookings were not as expected and/or shortage of planes (though IIRC this was on a 757)....

It’s due to delay in the 777PWs returning to service.

dcajet · Tue May 10, 2022 2:37 am

LHUSA wrote:
dcajet wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:

Wow, that is a late change. I assume they’ll just route everyone on LH. Wonder what the issue is.

Wondering the same too. I'd think bookings were not as expected and/or shortage of planes (though IIRC this was on a 757)....

It’s due to delay in the 777PWs returning to service.

Ah, thanks. I'd also think that if the flight had been a total sales success they wouldn't have cancelled it altogether for the whole summer...

dcajet · Tue May 10, 2022 2:44 am

ContinentalEWR wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Effective today, UA818/9 IAH-EZE-IAH is being upgauged to the 77E from the 789, adding 20-25 more seats daily in each direction.

The UA service to EZE from IAH has been flown with the 77E previously and it is great to see the route doing well.

The route does very well indeed. For the month of April, United (together with American Airlines) had the highest LF of the following airlines operating at EZE:

Source: ANAC Argentina

CALMSP · Tue May 10, 2022 3:28 am

redrooster3 wrote:
Pinto wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:

IAH got some nice upgrades this last week seeing UA880 (LHR #1) reimplemented and AMS upgauged to 777. Now all IAH needs is SYD and FRA #2 back to be back at pre-Covid levels in terms of widebody international flights. Does anybody even remember the second daily flight # IAH-FRA was?

I don't ever remeber a 2nd daily IAH - FRA, atleast not in recent years

I could’ve sworn there was a FRA #2, but I guess that’s the reason I can’t remember the flight number because it never existed. Either way glad to see things returning to normal.

maybe thinking of AMS #2? Years ago there was two flights, one 764 and one 762, with the 762 operating 3x/week.

jb1087xna · Tue May 10, 2022 3:50 am

SFOtoORD wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Newark EWR - Stockholm ARN, which was to begin on 26MAY was pulled from the schedule and won't operate this summer 2022.

Wow, that is a late change. I assume they’ll just route everyone on LH. Wonder what the issue is.

SK flies the route already and is in Star so I would think they could take on pax too.

cosyr · Tue May 10, 2022 12:07 pm

CALMSP wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:
Pinto wrote:

I don't ever remeber a 2nd daily IAH - FRA, atleast not in recent years

I could’ve sworn there was a FRA #2, but I guess that’s the reason I can’t remember the flight number because it never existed. Either way glad to see things returning to normal.

maybe thinking of AMS #2? Years ago there was two flights, one 764 and one 762, with the 762 operating 3x/week.

You made me think of a random question. I never got to fly on the 762. How many cabin crew would be assigned to a flight like that?

Typically, during a meal service, a widebody would have 2-3 crew per aisle in Y alone, plus someone in a galley doing prep, and then all the crew working Premium cabins. But the 762 was about the same capacity as a 752, and with even more J seats. How did cabin crews serve meals? I assume UA/CO didn't assign 10 cabin crew to a plane that FAA minimums would put at 4?

intotheair · Tue May 10, 2022 3:00 pm

jb1087xna wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Newark EWR - Stockholm ARN, which was to begin on 26MAY was pulled from the schedule and won't operate this summer 2022.

Wow, that is a late change. I assume they’ll just route everyone on LH. Wonder what the issue is.

SK flies the route already and is in Star so I would think they could take on pax too.

They can, but will they? Even though SK are in Star, they're not in the UA/LH/AC JV, and UA and SK aren't exactly close. I reckon UA would want to keep as much of the revenue on UA or LH/AC metal.

CALMSP · Tue May 10, 2022 4:24 pm

cosyr wrote:
CALMSP wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:

I could’ve sworn there was a FRA #2, but I guess that’s the reason I can’t remember the flight number because it never existed. Either way glad to see things returning to normal.

maybe thinking of AMS #2? Years ago there was two flights, one 764 and one 762, with the 762 operating 3x/week.

You made me think of a random question. I never got to fly on the 762. How many cabin crew would be assigned to a flight like that?

Typically, during a meal service, a widebody would have 2-3 crew per aisle in Y alone, plus someone in a galley doing prep, and then all the crew working Premium cabins. But the 762 was about the same capacity as a 752, and with even more J seats. How did cabin crews serve meals? I assume UA/CO didn't assign 10 cabin crew to a plane that FAA minimums would put at 4?

I thought it was 9 or 10

cosyr · Tue May 10, 2022 4:31 pm

CALMSP wrote:
cosyr wrote:
CALMSP wrote:

maybe thinking of AMS #2? Years ago there was two flights, one 764 and one 762, with the 762 operating 3x/week.

You made me think of a random question. I never got to fly on the 762. How many cabin crew would be assigned to a flight like that?

Typically, during a meal service, a widebody would have 2-3 crew per aisle in Y alone, plus someone in a galley doing prep, and then all the crew working Premium cabins. But the 762 was about the same capacity as a 752, and with even more J seats. How did cabin crews serve meals? I assume UA/CO didn't assign 10 cabin crew to a plane that FAA minimums would put at 4?

I thought it was 9 or 10

Wow, when I thought about why everyone talked about the 762 being inefficient, my mind always went to fuel consumption or weight/pax volume. I never thought about crew cost. No wonder UA got rid of them so quick.

codc10 · Tue May 10, 2022 8:25 pm

CALMSP wrote:
cosyr wrote:
CALMSP wrote:

maybe thinking of AMS #2? Years ago there was two flights, one 764 and one 762, with the 762 operating 3x/week.

You made me think of a random question. I never got to fly on the 762. How many cabin crew would be assigned to a flight like that?

Typically, during a meal service, a widebody would have 2-3 crew per aisle in Y alone, plus someone in a galley doing prep, and then all the crew working Premium cabins. But the 762 was about the same capacity as a 752, and with even more J seats. How did cabin crews serve meals? I assume UA/CO didn't assign 10 cabin crew to a plane that FAA minimums would put at 4?

I thought it was 9 or 10

Before the cost cutting of the mid-aughts, CO had pretty cushy international staffing.

DLHAM · Tue May 10, 2022 8:32 pm

dcajet wrote:
Newark EWR - Stockholm ARN, which was to begin on 26MAY was pulled from the schedule and won't operate this summer 2022.

Wow, somehow no surprise to me, this means United has completely left Scandinavia/North Europe, the tendency to do that was there for years. CPH axed in 2012, OSL in 2016, HAM in 2018 and now ARN. Delta likes that. I dont see ARN coming back before the XLR arrives.

Edit: forgot about the Bergen flight. Still pretty poor coverage.

dcajet · Tue May 10, 2022 8:43 pm

DLHAM wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Newark EWR - Stockholm ARN, which was to begin on 26MAY was pulled from the schedule and won't operate this summer 2022.

Wow, somehow no surprise to me, this means United has completely left Scandinavia/North Europe, the tendency to do that was there for years. CPH axed in 2012, OSL in 2016, HAM in 2018 and now ARN. Delta likes that. I dont see ARN coming back before the XLR arrives.

Edit: forgot about the Bergen flight. Still pretty poor coverage.

Is Bergen mostly related to the cruises' demand?

DLHAM · Tue May 10, 2022 10:43 pm

dcajet wrote:
DLHAM wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Newark EWR - Stockholm ARN, which was to begin on 26MAY was pulled from the schedule and won't operate this summer 2022.

Wow, somehow no surprise to me, this means United has completely left Scandinavia/North Europe, the tendency to do that was there for years. CPH axed in 2012, OSL in 2016, HAM in 2018 and now ARN. Delta likes that. I dont see ARN coming back before the XLR arrives.

Edit: forgot about the Bergen flight. Still pretty poor coverage.

Is Bergen mostly related to the cruises' demand?

While Bergen seems to be a really nice place the flight, I am sure about that, should mainly serve the Cruises.

adamblang · Tue May 10, 2022 10:56 pm

When launching this new tranche of secondary markets, analysts and reporters asked “how do you pick these? doesn’t bypassing your partners hurt them?” The answer back was these markers have weak partner presence and poor connectivity to the U.S. but good potential from the U.S. (I don’t know if “partner” meant LH group JV partners or Star partners broadly.)

jb1087xna · Tue May 10, 2022 11:10 pm

intotheair wrote:
jb1087xna wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:

Wow, that is a late change. I assume they’ll just route everyone on LH. Wonder what the issue is.

SK flies the route already and is in Star so I would think they could take on pax too.

They can, but will they? Even though SK are in Star, they're not in the UA/LH/AC JV, and UA and SK aren't exactly close. I reckon UA would want to keep as much of the revenue on UA or LH/AC metal.

Maybe not, but anybody originating in EWR would now have a stop added when I assume they could earn the same benefits and just fly n/s on SK.

ContinentalEWR · Tue May 10, 2022 11:59 pm

DLHAM wrote:
dcajet wrote:
DLHAM wrote:

Wow, somehow no surprise to me, this means United has completely left Scandinavia/North Europe, the tendency to do that was there for years. CPH axed in 2012, OSL in 2016, HAM in 2018 and now ARN. Delta likes that. I dont see ARN coming back before the XLR arrives.

Edit: forgot about the Bergen flight. Still pretty poor coverage.

Is Bergen mostly related to the cruises' demand?

While Bergen seems to be a really nice place the flight, I am sure about that, should mainly serve the Cruises.

Pre-pandemic, Bergen was becoming a much larger point of entry into Norway than Oslo, given its proximity to the Fjords and to the vast network of ferries (and cruise lines, local and international) that travel those waters. The main tourist sites of Norway are much easier to access through Bergen, be it on a cruise, ferry, or bus/car.

UA has never really been all that strong in Scandinavia. I don't know if anything has changed with the SK in *A and metal neutral/immunity, but UA has mostly served the region seasonally and the entire network is pretty much built out on the old CO platform of 757 service to OSL, CPH, and ARN.

RMTAviation · Wed May 11, 2022 12:52 am

Does anybody have an idea of how many crew each United Airlines flight is staffed with? And which cabin classes?

AVLAirlineFreq · Wed May 11, 2022 12:53 am

Isn't Bergen also a hub for offshore petroleum activity?

United787 · Wed May 11, 2022 1:32 am

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
Isn't Bergen also a hub for offshore petroleum activity?

Yes it is and since UA is the petro airline (IAH), I am sure that will help.

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