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The Rest of Virginia Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jan 01, 2022 7:40 am

Welcome to the Rest of Virginia Aviation Thread 2022. Please continue to post your news and your discussion below.

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Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:44 am

Looks like ROA could get non-stop service to West Palm Beach, Charleston and New Orleans thanks to a municipal partnership with Breeze.

https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2022/01 ... star-city/
 
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Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:30 am

ROA is getting twice weekly non-stop seasonal service to Nashville, thanks to Allegiant.

https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2022/02 ... nashville/
 
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Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:30 am

Allegiant is adding Roanoke to Nashville on a seasonal basis beginning April 21. Flight will run twice a week on Thursday and Sunday.

https://www.wfxrtv.com/news/business/no ... ir-at-roa/
 
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Re: The Rest of Virginia Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:11 pm

It appears that the Delta RIC-DTW early morning run and DTW-RIC late night run have been swapped to mainline starting in March. Appears to be mostly a mix of A319/320s plus B717s. I think this is the first time that RIC will see 717s on the schedule since the early days of COVID (for a few short months, DL had RIC-ATL on 717s) and AirTran back in 2014ish. Worth noting, however, that this change appears to only be active until RIC-MSP restarts in June.
 
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Re: The Rest of Virginia Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:28 pm

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It appears that the Delta RIC-DTW early morning run and DTW-RIC late night run have been swapped to mainline starting in March. Appears to be mostly a mix of A319/320s plus B717s. I think this is the first time that RIC will see 717s on the schedule since the early days of COVID (for a few short months, DL had RIC-ATL on 717s) and AirTran back in 2014ish. Worth noting, however, that this change appears to only be active until RIC-MSP restarts in June.


NW had main line from RIC to DTW for years until the DL merger. I flew it many times going out to Vegas or the west coast. I think RIC can certainly support a few mainline flights to DTW even when MSP service resumes.
 
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Re: The Rest of Virginia Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:10 am

Word on the street is that Breeze Airways will be making an expansion announcement tomorrow. Hoping RIC is included in those plans. Ready for RIC to take off again (pun intended). :) We'll see tomorrow!
 
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Re: The Rest of Virginia Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:12 pm

Here's what RIC is getting:

From Richmond, VA, to:

Jacksonville, FL (Thurs and Sun, starting May 19, Nice from $49* one way; Nicer from $99*);
San Francisco, CA** (Wed and Sat, starting May 25, Nice from $99* one way; Nicer from $189*; Nicest from $199*);
Hartford, CT (Fri and Mon, starting June 3, Nice from $39* one way; Nicer from $89*; summer seasonal route);
Las Vegas, NV** (Thurs and Sun, starting June 9, Nice from $99* one way; Nicer from $189*; Nicest from $199*); and
Providence, RI (Thurs and Sun, starting June 30, Nice from $49* one way; Nicer from $89*).
 
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Re: The Rest of Virginia Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:56 pm

hooforce wrote:
Here's what RIC is getting:

From Richmond, VA, to:

Jacksonville, FL (Thurs and Sun, starting May 19, Nice from $49* one way; Nicer from $99*);
San Francisco, CA** (Wed and Sat, starting May 25, Nice from $99* one way; Nicer from $189*; Nicest from $199*);
Hartford, CT (Fri and Mon, starting June 3, Nice from $39* one way; Nicer from $89*; summer seasonal route);
Las Vegas, NV** (Thurs and Sun, starting June 9, Nice from $99* one way; Nicer from $189*; Nicest from $199*); and
Providence, RI (Thurs and Sun, starting June 30, Nice from $49* one way; Nicer from $89*).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatod ... 9347904002

That's one heck of an expansion. SFO and LAS are great adds. Now they just need PHX and LAX.
 
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Re: The Rest of Virginia Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:06 pm

hooforce wrote:
Here's what RIC is getting:

From Richmond, VA, to:

Jacksonville, FL (Thurs and Sun, starting May 19, Nice from $49* one way; Nicer from $99*);
San Francisco, CA** (Wed and Sat, starting May 25, Nice from $99* one way; Nicer from $189*; Nicest from $199*);
Hartford, CT (Fri and Mon, starting June 3, Nice from $39* one way; Nicer from $89*; summer seasonal route);
Las Vegas, NV** (Thurs and Sun, starting June 9, Nice from $99* one way; Nicer from $189*; Nicest from $199*); and
Providence, RI (Thurs and Sun, starting June 30, Nice from $49* one way; Nicer from $89*).


Great news. Thanks for the post. RIC before Covid was one of the fastest growing airports in the US. Nice to see the expansion.
 
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Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:36 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
hooforce wrote:
Here's what RIC is getting:

From Richmond, VA, to:

Jacksonville, FL (Thurs and Sun, starting May 19, Nice from $49* one way; Nicer from $99*);
San Francisco, CA** (Wed and Sat, starting May 25, Nice from $99* one way; Nicer from $189*; Nicest from $199*);
Hartford, CT (Fri and Mon, starting June 3, Nice from $39* one way; Nicer from $89*; summer seasonal route);
Las Vegas, NV** (Thurs and Sun, starting June 9, Nice from $99* one way; Nicer from $189*; Nicest from $199*); and
Providence, RI (Thurs and Sun, starting June 30, Nice from $49* one way; Nicer from $89*).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatod ... 9347904002

That's one heck of an expansion. SFO and LAS are great adds. Now they just need PHX and LAX.


RIC already has a nonstop LAX route, but is served by JetBlue. That route kicks off again on 4 or 5 May if memory serves and will be daily until about 9 June. Then it shifts to 4 days a week (all on A320s). So, that means RIC will have three west coast nonstop destinations. PHX would be an awesome addition! Also on my wish list are SLC, SEA, and SAN.
 
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Re: The Rest of Virginia Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:38 pm

ElroyJetson wrote:
hooforce wrote:
Here's what RIC is getting:

From Richmond, VA, to:

Jacksonville, FL (Thurs and Sun, starting May 19, Nice from $49* one way; Nicer from $99*);
San Francisco, CA** (Wed and Sat, starting May 25, Nice from $99* one way; Nicer from $189*; Nicest from $199*);
Hartford, CT (Fri and Mon, starting June 3, Nice from $39* one way; Nicer from $89*; summer seasonal route);
Las Vegas, NV** (Thurs and Sun, starting June 9, Nice from $99* one way; Nicer from $189*; Nicest from $199*); and
Providence, RI (Thurs and Sun, starting June 30, Nice from $49* one way; Nicer from $89*).


Great news. Thanks for the post. RIC before Covid was one of the fastest growing airports in the US. Nice to see the expansion.


Yes, RIC certainly was one of the fastest-growing airports prior to COVID. I'm really hoping that trend gets going again. These routes will certainly help!
 
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Re: The Rest of Virginia Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:18 pm

ORF got LAX, LAS, and JAX as well. Also SAV.

https://www.norfolkairport.com/wp-conte ... elease.pdf
 
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Re: The Rest of Virginia Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:26 pm

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RIC already has a nonstop LAX route, but is served by JetBlue. That route kicks off again on 4 or 5 May if memory serves and will be daily until about 9 June. Then it shifts to 4 days a week (all on A320s). So, that means RIC will have three west coast nonstop destinations. PHX would be an awesome addition! Also on my wish list are SLC, SEA, and SAN.

I should have clarified that I meant on a permanent and regular basis. An increase to four weekly is good, but it is still seasonal, so in my mind it kind of only half counts. They gave up on the LAS route pretty quickly, so I wasn't sure if they'd even give LAX another year. Honestly if it weren't for Breeze, I'm not entirely convinced JetBlue would stick with LAX longer term, but now I think they're more likely to do so (hopefully on a year round basis at some point). Personally I think that decreased frequency is preferable to higher frequency but seasonal, because at least that way the service is consistent.
 
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Re: The Rest of Virginia Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Apr 02, 2022 1:12 pm

Not sure if this was posted anywhere but it looks like Delta has added ROA-LGA twice a day starting in June on a Crj-900. Seems like a lot of lift given that pre pandemic it was twice a day on an Erj-145 I believe.
 
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Not sure if this was posted anywhere but it looks like Delta has added ROA-LGA twice a day starting in June on a Crj-900. Seems like a lot of lift given that pre pandemic it was twice a day on an Erj-145 I believe.


How much competition did it have pre-pandemic? It could be Delta backfilling capacity that AA/UA flew in 2019 but don't anymore.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2022 3:37 pm

vatveng wrote:
ODS10 wrote:
Not sure if this was posted anywhere but it looks like Delta has added ROA-LGA twice a day starting in June on a Crj-900. Seems like a lot of lift given that pre pandemic it was twice a day on an Erj-145 I believe.


How much competition did it have pre-pandemic? It could be Delta backfilling capacity that AA/UA flew in 2019 but don't anymore.


If I recall correctly, it was only AA who had served LGA for several years before Covid. Delta had dropped LGA service and it was picked up by AA.
 
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Wed May 25, 2022 2:51 pm

RIC and ORF can probably support nonstop service to AUS on at least a less-than-daily basis with RIC and ORF being two of the top remaining markets in the contiguous U.S. that don't currently have any nonstop service to AUS.

Here were the Q4 2021 PDEW's of AUS-RIC/ORF:
AUS-RIC - 66
AUS-ORF/PHF - 53

AUS-RIC had higher PDEW's in Q4 2021 than a few routes out of AUS that currently have nonstop service out of AUS on AA, AS, or G4.

AUS-ORF/RIC are both within the range of regional jets, and AA has operated regional jets on some routes that are longer than AUS-ORF.

The CLE/CAK market is the only contiguous U.S. market without nonstop service to AUS that had higher PDEW's to AUS in Q4 2021 than RIC did.

Is RIC likely to see nonstop service added to AUS by G4, AA, WN, or NK with RIC being the #2 remaining market in the contiguous U.S. (by PDEW's to AUS) that doesn't currently have any nonstop service to AUS?
 
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Wed May 25, 2022 4:21 pm

Noticed on Flightaware that MX116 flight is in route from RIC-SFO. Currently over Colorado as of 12:15 pm EDT. The route is being flown by an A220-300.

Great add for both cities. MX is really shaking things up.
 
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Re: The Rest of Virginia Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed May 25, 2022 8:55 pm

Anyone else notice that Delta has pretty much nothing but 757s scheduled on ATL-RIC/ORF for next month?
Also, Delta dropped CHO down to 2x CRJ 1x CR9 on ATL-CHO but kept 3x CR9 on ATL-LGA which makes no sense to me
 
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Thu May 26, 2022 2:09 pm

jplatts wrote:
RIC and ORF can probably support nonstop service to AUS on at least a less-than-daily basis with RIC and ORF being two of the top remaining markets in the contiguous U.S. that don't currently have any nonstop service to AUS.

Here were the Q4 2021 PDEW's of AUS-RIC/ORF:
AUS-RIC - 66
AUS-ORF/PHF - 53

AUS-RIC had higher PDEW's in Q4 2021 than a few routes out of AUS that currently have nonstop service out of AUS on AA, AS, or G4.

AUS-ORF/RIC are both within the range of regional jets, and AA has operated regional jets on some routes that are longer than AUS-ORF.

The CLE/CAK market is the only contiguous U.S. market without nonstop service to AUS that had higher PDEW's to AUS in Q4 2021 than RIC did.

Is RIC likely to see nonstop service added to AUS by G4, AA, WN, or NK with RIC being the #2 remaining market in the contiguous U.S. (by PDEW's to AUS) that doesn't currently have any nonstop service to AUS?

I could see RIC-AUS either 2-3/week on G4 or 5/7 on AA. Not that crazy of an add for either, seeing what they've been doing out of AUS. Space at AUS is the issue.
 
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Thu May 26, 2022 5:53 pm

bluefltspecial wrote:
Anyone else notice that Delta has pretty much nothing but 757s scheduled on ATL-RIC/ORF for next month?
Also, Delta dropped CHO down to 2x CRJ 1x CR9 on ATL-CHO but kept 3x CR9 on ATL-LGA which makes no sense to me


757s on the ATL-RIC route?! That's amazing! Has that ever happened before? I don't think RIC has ever had regular passenger service on a 757. Sure, RIC has seen many 757s (ie Cargo and the occasional charter), but not for standard passenger service. That's big news! Thanks for the heads up!
 
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Thu May 26, 2022 5:56 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
RIC and ORF can probably support nonstop service to AUS on at least a less-than-daily basis with RIC and ORF being two of the top remaining markets in the contiguous U.S. that don't currently have any nonstop service to AUS.

Here were the Q4 2021 PDEW's of AUS-RIC/ORF:
AUS-RIC - 66
AUS-ORF/PHF - 53

AUS-RIC had higher PDEW's in Q4 2021 than a few routes out of AUS that currently have nonstop service out of AUS on AA, AS, or G4.

AUS-ORF/RIC are both within the range of regional jets, and AA has operated regional jets on some routes that are longer than AUS-ORF.

The CLE/CAK market is the only contiguous U.S. market without nonstop service to AUS that had higher PDEW's to AUS in Q4 2021 than RIC did.

Is RIC likely to see nonstop service added to AUS by G4, AA, WN, or NK with RIC being the #2 remaining market in the contiguous U.S. (by PDEW's to AUS) that doesn't currently have any nonstop service to AUS?

I could see RIC-AUS either 2-3/week on G4 or 5/7 on AA. Not that crazy of an add for either, seeing what they've been doing out of AUS. Space at AUS is the issue.


I would love to see this happen! I think there are quite a few business connections between Richmond and Austin if I'm not mistaken. I've actually heard of a lot of people looking to move to Richmond from Austin lately too. There was a business that just moved its HQ from Austin to Richmond recently too (a smaller IT outfit, if I remember correctly...I could be wrong on the type of business, but they just set up shop in Manchester).
 
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Fri May 27, 2022 3:56 am

hooforce wrote:
bluefltspecial wrote:
Anyone else notice that Delta has pretty much nothing but 757s scheduled on ATL-RIC/ORF for next month?
Also, Delta dropped CHO down to 2x CRJ 1x CR9 on ATL-CHO but kept 3x CR9 on ATL-LGA which makes no sense to me


757s on the ATL-RIC route?! That's amazing! Has that ever happened before? I don't think RIC has ever had regular passenger service on a 757. Sure, RIC has seen many 757s (ie Cargo and the occasional charter), but not for standard passenger service. That's big news! Thanks for the heads up!

It's been a 757 periodically over the years. I remember being surprised with a 75 on a handful of occasions when I was expecting an MD80.
 
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Fri May 27, 2022 4:49 am

hooforce wrote:
bluefltspecial wrote:
Anyone else notice that Delta has pretty much nothing but 757s scheduled on ATL-RIC/ORF for next month?
Also, Delta dropped CHO down to 2x CRJ 1x CR9 on ATL-CHO but kept 3x CR9 on ATL-LGA which makes no sense to me


757s on the ATL-RIC route?! That's amazing! Has that ever happened before? I don't think RIC has ever had regular passenger service on a 757. Sure, RIC has seen many 757s (ie Cargo and the occasional charter), but not for standard passenger service. That's big news! Thanks for the heads up!



DL has used 757's on and off for years from RIC-ATL. I have been on 757's between the two cities a number of times. Also, ORF has had 757's on and off for years as well to ATL.
 
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Fri May 27, 2022 12:32 pm

That's right! I remember now - 757s were used from time to time on the RIC-ATL route...before COVID! Funny how I seem to forget everything that happened before COVID.
 
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Fri May 27, 2022 7:55 pm

Wow RIC is really booming.. I'm in the DMV so RIC is a little beyond my catchment, but it's really impressive to see the growth.. I'm interested in trying Breeze and ticket prices from DC to Vegas are sky high, outside of the ULCCs which I don't fly.. If the price is right I'll make the trek.
 
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Wow RIC is really booming.. I'm in the DMV so RIC is a little beyond my catchment, but it's really impressive to see the growth.. I'm interested in trying Breeze and ticket prices from DC to Vegas are sky high, outside of the ULCCs which I don't fly.. If the price is right I'll make the trek.

Statements like this really make me laugh (not at you!) — RIC used to be one of the most expensive airports in the country with such poor connectivity, but it seems like it's all turned around so quickly. It's really telling when people from the DC area consider driving to RIC when I spent years growing up in RIC doing just the opposite. It really speaks to how much they've accomplished in the past 15ish years. They still really need to sort out their lousy runway configuration and build in more ramp space, but aside from that they've really managed to put a lot of the right pieces together. It's a great city that's always deserved a great airport, and it seems like that's finally happening.
 
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atcsundevil wrote:
DCA350 wrote:
Wow RIC is really booming.. I'm in the DMV so RIC is a little beyond my catchment, but it's really impressive to see the growth.. I'm interested in trying Breeze and ticket prices from DC to Vegas are sky high, outside of the ULCCs which I don't fly.. If the price is right I'll make the trek.

Statements like this really make me laugh (not at you!) — RIC used to be one of the most expensive airports in the country with such poor connectivity, but it seems like it's all turned around so quickly. It's really telling when people from the DC area consider driving to RIC when I spent years growing up in RIC doing just the opposite. It really speaks to how much they've accomplished in the past 15ish years. They still really need to sort out their lousy runway configuration and build in more ramp space, but aside from that they've really managed to put a lot of the right pieces together. It's a great city that's always deserved a great airport, and it seems like that's finally happening.


I just want echo your points. RIC had some of the highest fares in the country for years. They brought in Troy Bell as the airport marketing director and he is the one who really turned things around. Getting Air Tran in was the first step. I intentionally flew them at every opportunity because RIC needed an LCC to induce some real competition. Getting Jet Blue was another break through. Now with Spirit, Jet Blue, Breeze, WN things are really moving in the right direction.

And as a quick example, I just booked a ticket for my sister on B6 from MCO-RIC. Roundtrip fare with checked bag was under $250. NK was slightly lower but B6 had better departure/ arrival times. The competition has been a God send. I really think the aggressive marketing by Troy Bell was the major difference.
 
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Sat May 28, 2022 1:33 am

atcsundevil wrote:
DCA350 wrote:
Wow RIC is really booming.. I'm in the DMV so RIC is a little beyond my catchment, but it's really impressive to see the growth.. I'm interested in trying Breeze and ticket prices from DC to Vegas are sky high, outside of the ULCCs which I don't fly.. If the price is right I'll make the trek.

Statements like this really make me laugh (not at you!) — RIC used to be one of the most expensive airports in the country with such poor connectivity, but it seems like it's all turned around so quickly. It's really telling when people from the DC area consider driving to RIC when I spent years growing up in RIC doing just the opposite. It really speaks to how much they've accomplished in the past 15ish years. They still really need to sort out their lousy runway configuration and build in more ramp space, but aside from that they've really managed to put a lot of the right pieces together. It's a great city that's always deserved a great airport, and it seems like that's finally happening.


I did not know this. As previously stated RIC was never on my radar.. Direct on AA, UA, and Southwest, the three airlines that fly to Vegas from DC are in the 800s.. Insane, I can get to Europe for almost 50% less.. I saw Breeze RIC to LAS in the 4s so that's def worth the drive and I'm sure many others, especially the Northern VA crowd will seriously consider RIC for transcons..
 
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ElroyJetson wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
DCA350 wrote:
Wow RIC is really booming.. I'm in the DMV so RIC is a little beyond my catchment, but it's really impressive to see the growth.. I'm interested in trying Breeze and ticket prices from DC to Vegas are sky high, outside of the ULCCs which I don't fly.. If the price is right I'll make the trek.

Statements like this really make me laugh (not at you!) — RIC used to be one of the most expensive airports in the country with such poor connectivity, but it seems like it's all turned around so quickly. It's really telling when people from the DC area consider driving to RIC when I spent years growing up in RIC doing just the opposite. It really speaks to how much they've accomplished in the past 15ish years. They still really need to sort out their lousy runway configuration and build in more ramp space, but aside from that they've really managed to put a lot of the right pieces together. It's a great city that's always deserved a great airport, and it seems like that's finally happening.


I just want echo your points. RIC had some of the highest fares in the country for years. They brought in Troy Bell as the airport marketing director and he is the one who really turned things around. Getting Air Tran in was the first step. I intentionally flew them at every opportunity because RIC needed an LCC to induce some real competition. Getting Jet Blue was another break through. Now with Spirit, Jet Blue, Breeze, WN things are really moving in the right direction.

And as a quick example, I just booked a ticket for my sister on B6 from MCO-RIC. Roundtrip fare with checked bag was under $250. NK was slightly lower but B6 had better departure/ arrival times. The competition has been a God send. I really think the aggressive marketing by Troy Bell was the major difference.

Definitely. AirTran coming to RIC was a big deal. I loved flying them, and I still miss them. Having JetBlue was a good get as well, but they seemed to stagnate in the market for a long time until recently. It's been years since I've flown from RIC — how are they doing on gate space?
 
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Sat May 28, 2022 2:29 am

atcsundevil wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
Statements like this really make me laugh (not at you!) — RIC used to be one of the most expensive airports in the country with such poor connectivity, but it seems like it's all turned around so quickly. It's really telling when people from the DC area consider driving to RIC when I spent years growing up in RIC doing just the opposite. It really speaks to how much they've accomplished in the past 15ish years. They still really need to sort out their lousy runway configuration and build in more ramp space, but aside from that they've really managed to put a lot of the right pieces together. It's a great city that's always deserved a great airport, and it seems like that's finally happening.


I just want echo your points. RIC had some of the highest fares in the country for years. They brought in Troy Bell as the airport marketing director and he is the one who really turned things around. Getting Air Tran in was the first step. I intentionally flew them at every opportunity because RIC needed an LCC to induce some real competition. Getting Jet Blue was another break through. Now with Spirit, Jet Blue, Breeze, WN things are really moving in the right direction.

And as a quick example, I just booked a ticket for my sister on B6 from MCO-RIC. Roundtrip fare with checked bag was under $250. NK was slightly lower but B6 had better departure/ arrival times. The competition has been a God send. I really think the aggressive marketing by Troy Bell was the major difference.

Definitely. AirTran coming to RIC was a big deal. I loved flying them, and I still miss them. Having JetBlue was a good get as well, but they seemed to stagnate in the market for a long time until recently. It's been years since I've flown from RIC — how are they doing on gate space?


RIC just built and opened 6 new gates onto Concourse A and now has a total of 28 gates overall. As for apron space, RIC is currently expanding a very large apron space on the south side of Concourse B. In addition, the airport is in the process moving the cargo area from the south side to the east side of the airport (freeing up even more apron space on the southside). There is also a study ongoing involving exploring options to move the Army National Guard on the east side to somewhere else on the premises opening up that space for a parallel runway according to the airport's master plan. So, there is quite a bit of movement going on at the airport to improve its operations.

I live in NOVA (Springfield) and I have gone down to RIC several times to catch flights to Florida on Allegiant because the price was so cheap. It's good to hear that others are thinking about doing the same. Brings tears to my eyes to hear that RIC may be drawing passengers in from NOVA (Richmond is my hometown)! Simply astounding!
 
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I just want echo your points. RIC had some of the highest fares in the country for years. They brought in Troy Bell as the airport marketing director and he is the one who really turned things around. Getting Air Tran in was the first step. I intentionally flew them at every opportunity because RIC needed an LCC to induce some real competition. Getting Jet Blue was another break through. Now with Spirit, Jet Blue, Breeze, WN things are really moving in the right direction.

And as a quick example, I just booked a ticket for my sister on B6 from MCO-RIC. Roundtrip fare with checked bag was under $250. NK was slightly lower but B6 had better departure/ arrival times. The competition has been a God send. I really think the aggressive marketing by Troy Bell was the major difference.

Definitely. AirTran coming to RIC was a big deal. I loved flying them, and I still miss them. Having JetBlue was a good get as well, but they seemed to stagnate in the market for a long time until recently. It's been years since I've flown from RIC — how are they doing on gate space?


RIC just built and opened 6 new gates onto Concourse A and now has a total of 28 gates overall. As for apron space, RIC is currently expanding a very large apron space on the south side of Concourse B. In addition, the airport is in the process moving the cargo area from the south side to the east side of the airport (freeing up even more apron space on the southside). There is also a study ongoing involving exploring options to move the Army National Guard on the east side to somewhere else on the premises opening up that space for a parallel runway according to the airport's master plan. So, there is quite a bit of movement going on at the airport to improve its operations.

I live in NOVA (Springfield) and I have gone down to RIC several times to catch flights to Florida on Allegiant because the price was so cheap. It's good to hear that others are thinking about doing the same. Brings tears to my eyes to hear that RIC may be drawing passengers in from NOVA (Richmond is my hometown)! Simply astounding!



Yes. Thank you for mentioning G4. They have been a big add, particularly to BNA and Florida. I have not flown them yet, but I probably will to PIE in the near future.
 
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Sat May 28, 2022 6:12 am

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atcsundevil wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:

I just want echo your points. RIC had some of the highest fares in the country for years. They brought in Troy Bell as the airport marketing director and he is the one who really turned things around. Getting Air Tran in was the first step. I intentionally flew them at every opportunity because RIC needed an LCC to induce some real competition. Getting Jet Blue was another break through. Now with Spirit, Jet Blue, Breeze, WN things are really moving in the right direction.

And as a quick example, I just booked a ticket for my sister on B6 from MCO-RIC. Roundtrip fare with checked bag was under $250. NK was slightly lower but B6 had better departure/ arrival times. The competition has been a God send. I really think the aggressive marketing by Troy Bell was the major difference.

Definitely. AirTran coming to RIC was a big deal. I loved flying them, and I still miss them. Having JetBlue was a good get as well, but they seemed to stagnate in the market for a long time until recently. It's been years since I've flown from RIC — how are they doing on gate space?


RIC just built and opened 6 new gates onto Concourse A and now has a total of 28 gates overall. As for apron space, RIC is currently expanding a very large apron space on the south side of Concourse B. In addition, the airport is in the process moving the cargo area from the south side to the east side of the airport (freeing up even more apron space on the southside). There is also a study ongoing involving exploring options to move the Army National Guard on the east side to somewhere else on the premises opening up that space for a parallel runway according to the airport's master plan. So, there is quite a bit of movement going on at the airport to improve its operations.

I live in NOVA (Springfield) and I have gone down to RIC several times to catch flights to Florida on Allegiant because the price was so cheap. It's good to hear that others are thinking about doing the same. Brings tears to my eyes to hear that RIC may be drawing passengers in from NOVA (Richmond is my hometown)! Simply astounding!



Yes. Thank you for mentioning G4. They have been a big add, particularly to BNA and Florida. I have not flown them yet, but I probably will to PIE in the near future.
 
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Sat May 28, 2022 12:43 pm

ElroyJetson wrote:
hooforce wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
Definitely. AirTran coming to RIC was a big deal. I loved flying them, and I still miss them. Having JetBlue was a good get as well, but they seemed to stagnate in the market for a long time until recently. It's been years since I've flown from RIC — how are they doing on gate space?


RIC just built and opened 6 new gates onto Concourse A and now has a total of 28 gates overall. As for apron space, RIC is currently expanding a very large apron space on the south side of Concourse B. In addition, the airport is in the process moving the cargo area from the south side to the east side of the airport (freeing up even more apron space on the southside). There is also a study ongoing involving exploring options to move the Army National Guard on the east side to somewhere else on the premises opening up that space for a parallel runway according to the airport's master plan. So, there is quite a bit of movement going on at the airport to improve its operations.

I live in NOVA (Springfield) and I have gone down to RIC several times to catch flights to Florida on Allegiant because the price was so cheap. It's good to hear that others are thinking about doing the same. Brings tears to my eyes to hear that RIC may be drawing passengers in from NOVA (Richmond is my hometown)! Simply astounding!



Yes. Thank you for mentioning G4. They have been a big add, particularly to BNA and Florida. I have not flown them yet, but I probably will to PIE in the near future.


G4 is okay. Be warned that they are a bare-bones, no-frills type service; however, if you're just looking to get from point A to point B, they are fantastic! I'm also military, so it was nice to have free seat selection and my bags fly free too. With those being free, the price was something that just couldn't be beat; not even from the DC airports!
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:26 pm

Had a family member fly on 6/1 from MCO-RIC on B6. The aircraft was an A320. For those who are curious the plane was about 3/4 full. Not bad for a midweek flight. A friend came down in April on NK....also an A320, and every seat was full.

Not sure why WN axed their flight, but B6 and NK seem to be doing just fine on the route.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2022 9:26 pm

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Had a family member fly on 6/1 from MCO-RIC on B6. The aircraft was an A320. For those who are curious the plane was about 3/4 full. Not bad for a midweek flight. A friend came down in April on NK....also an A320, and every seat was full.

Not sure why WN axed their flight, but B6 and NK seem to be doing just fine on the route.


Awesome report! It’s encouraging to hear that flights are filling up.

WN has been experiencing some equipment and pilot shortages, which is why they are cutting flights. WN cut the RIC-DEN route for the same reason a couple months ago. Hope that route comes back soon - heard it was popular. For the flights that have been cut at RIC, MX has been adding flights (thank goodness). Oh, also heard that AA will be cutting the RIC-LGA route in November. Hopefully, that doesn’t happen, but we’ll see. There’s enough time between now and then for conditions to change. Fingers crossed.
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:04 pm

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Oh, also heard that AA will be cutting the RIC-LGA route in November. Hopefully, that doesn’t happen, but we’ll see. There’s enough time between now and then for conditions to change. Fingers crossed.

No doubt due to regional pilot shortages. RIC-NYC tend to rank right up there as the most delayed flights in the NAS, particularly EWR. RIC gets the shaft from traffic management, because the majority of sequencing for the New York airports is done over Central Virginia. It's hard to justify launching a flight off of RIC when airplanes are being vectored for spacing overhead...not that they don't sometimes anyway, but the whole situation isn't ideal regardless.
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:24 am

Could the pilot shortages be the reason why Delta Airlines on the RIC-ATL route is now mostly flying Boeing 757s versus 737s or do you think this is a result of more demand on that route? Looks like the same thing has happened for the same route between ORF-ATL.
 
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Could the pilot shortages be the reason why Delta Airlines on the RIC-ATL route is now mostly flying Boeing 757s versus 737s or do you think this is a result of more demand on that route? Looks like the same thing has happened for the same route between ORF-ATL.

Possibly a little of both. That said, they run the 739 to both fairly regularly, which is comparable in seat count to the 752. I believe Delta (like most airlines) operates the 75/76 fleet combined, so there may be more availability/flexibility with the crew and/or equipment than with the 73 fleet at the moment. Delta spent quite a bit of time behind the 8-ball on pilot training with so many aircraft retirements at the start of covid, and it's taken them a long time to catch up with so much shuffling around, so maybe they're a little thin on some equipment than others. I have no particular knowledge or insight...just speculation.
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:20 pm

The cut in NYC flights from RIC is in November, AA cuts the flights to JFK but keeps 3 flights a day to LGA. There has been talk that as part of the NEA with B6 that B6 may start flights from RIC to JFK. We will see.
 
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The cut in NYC flights from RIC is in November, AA cuts the flights to JFK but keeps 3 flights a day to LGA. There has been talk that as part of the NEA with B6 that B6 may start flights from RIC to JFK. We will see.


I agree that B6 re-adding RIC-JFK nonstop service is a possibility as B6 already has nonstop service to JFK from a few markets that are closer to NYC (by great circle distance) than RIC, including BOS, BTV, PWM, ROC, and SYR.

B6 would also likely have more O&D traffic on RIC-JFK than on JFK-BTV/PWM/ROC/SYR if RIC-JFK nonstop service is re-added by B6 with RIC being further from JFK than BTV/PWM/ROC/SYR and with RIC being located in a bigger metro area (by population) than BTV, PWM, ROC, or SYR.
 
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RicFlyer wrote:
The cut in NYC flights from RIC is in November, AA cuts the flights to JFK but keeps 3 flights a day to LGA. There has been talk that as part of the NEA with B6 that B6 may start flights from RIC to JFK. We will see.


I agree that B6 re-adding RIC-JFK nonstop service is a possibility as B6 already has nonstop service to JFK from a few markets that are closer to NYC (by great circle distance) than RIC, including BOS, BTV, PWM, ROC, and SYR.

B6 would also likely have more O&D traffic on RIC-JFK than on JFK-BTV/PWM/ROC/SYR if RIC-JFK nonstop service is re-added by B6 with RIC being further from JFK than BTV/PWM/ROC/SYR and with RIC being located in a bigger metro area (by population) than BTV, PWM, ROC, or SYR.

JetBlue served JFK-RIC for years, and they cut it for the same reasons I listed above. RIC-NYC ranks among some of the most delayed flights in the National Airspace System. JetBlue has had some truly awful on time statistics lately, so adding another route with guaranteed delays on a regular basis probably isn't smart. Metering and ground delay programs have been starting at 5am for JFK lately (even EWR and LGA typically don't put out restrictions until after 7am), meaning they're unlikely to even get an on time start first thing in the morning. It's easier to fit the airports you mentioned into the traffic flow when they're coming from the north — it's a much slower flow than from the west and south for some periods during the day, especially in the morning.

It's not always about served or unserved markets, it's about how the pieces fit together so that the slots, gates, equipment, and crews are best utilized. It would be great to see JetBlue return to RIC-JFK, but frankly it's a poor utilization of the slot, airplane, and crew and it was canceled before with good reason.
 
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Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:00 am

For those interested, SHD will likely change carriers. They have recommended Contour to CLT for their EAS contract.

So they should get their 2x daily non-stop back, rather than the current 1x daily pattern, tagged with LWB. They've asked the award to be expedited, so hopefully this will happen soon.

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-2002-11378-0130
 
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https://www.faa.gov/airports/planning_c ... rports.pdf

Richmond (RIC) air cargo traffic is one of the fastest growing in the nation. Year over year increase of 13%. RIC is the largest air cargo airport in the State surpassing IAD by 100 million lbs.
 
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ElroyJetson wrote:
https://www.faa.gov/airports/planning_capacity/passenger_allcargo_stats/passenger/media/preliminary-cy21-cargo-airports.pdf

Richmond (RIC) air cargo traffic is one of the fastest growing in the nation. Year over year increase of 13%. RIC is the largest air cargo airport in the State surpassing IAD by 100 million lbs.

Amazon Air effect?
 
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Wed Jun 15, 2022 6:57 pm

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ElroyJetson wrote:
https://www.faa.gov/airports/planning_capacity/passenger_allcargo_stats/passenger/media/preliminary-cy21-cargo-airports.pdf

Richmond (RIC) air cargo traffic is one of the fastest growing in the nation. Year over year increase of 13%. RIC is the largest air cargo airport in the State surpassing IAD by 100 million lbs.

Amazon Air effect?


Yes. Amazon has built a huge robotic fulfillment center at the Fairgrounds complex and also has a big facility south of the city near Petersburg.

RIC recently acquired a 150 acre plot of land to expand their cargo handling capacity. My guess is the cargo business will continue to grow in a big way at RIC.
 
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Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:19 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:
https://www.faa.gov/airports/planning_capacity/passenger_allcargo_stats/passenger/media/preliminary-cy21-cargo-airports.pdf

Richmond (RIC) air cargo traffic is one of the fastest growing in the nation. Year over year increase of 13%. RIC is the largest air cargo airport in the State surpassing IAD by 100 million lbs.

Amazon Air effect?


This is true from 2020 to 2021, but from 2021 to 2022, the cargo growth at RIC has stopped; gone backwards, even - down 20.59% this CY thus far as of April 22. As a huge fan of RIC, it's not something I like to admit, but fact is fact. Hope things recover:

https://flyrichmond.com/wp-content/uplo ... t-rev1.pdf
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:42 am

hooforce wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:
https://www.faa.gov/airports/planning_capacity/passenger_allcargo_stats/passenger/media/preliminary-cy21-cargo-airports.pdf

Richmond (RIC) air cargo traffic is one of the fastest growing in the nation. Year over year increase of 13%. RIC is the largest air cargo airport in the State surpassing IAD by 100 million lbs.

Amazon Air effect?


This is true from 2020 to 2021, but from 2021 to 2022, the cargo growth at RIC has stopped; gone backwards, even - down 20.59% this CY thus far as of April 22. As a huge fan of RIC, it's not something I like to admit, but fact is fact. Hope things recover:

https://flyrichmond.com/wp-content/uplo ... t-rev1.pdf



Why do you think it has dropped in 2022? The prior two years cargo was up strongly.
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:21 am

ElroyJetson wrote:
hooforce wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
Amazon Air effect?


This is true from 2020 to 2021, but from 2021 to 2022, the cargo growth at RIC has stopped; gone backwards, even - down 20.59% this CY thus far as of April 22. As a huge fan of RIC, it's not something I like to admit, but fact is fact. Hope things recover:

https://flyrichmond.com/wp-content/uplo ... t-rev1.pdf



Why do you think it has dropped in 2022? The prior two years cargo was up strongly.


I’ve been told that in 2020 and 2021 (during the height of the pandemic) there was a lot of online purchasing going on, but since the pandemic’s grip has been released, more folks are going out to make purchases. As a result, there was a reduction in online purchases. The linked affect of that is less cargo to ship and that is what has caused the decrease in RIC’s cargo numbers. I don’t have proof this is the case, but this is what Mr. Troy Bell (Spokesman for the airport) has reported. To reverse what has happened over the past year, either there needs to be a significant increase in population and/or businesses in and around RVA, which could increase the amount bought online, or there has to be another reason for folks to flock to online purchasing again as their primary way to acquire goods. That’s all I know at this point.

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