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Opus99 wrote:https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive-us-carrier-allegiant-air-buy-50-boeing-737-max-jets-sources-2022-01-04/
Article here.
737 max 7 seemed to have been pitted against the A220.
Max 7 was the choice.
Opus99 wrote:https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive-us-carrier-allegiant-air-buy-50-boeing-737-max-jets-sources-2022-01-04/
Article here.
737 max 7 seemed to have been pitted against the A220.
Max 7 was the choice.
Opus99 wrote:https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive-us-carrier-allegiant-air-buy-50-boeing-737-max-jets-sources-2022-01-04/
Article here.
737 max 7 seemed to have been pitted against the A220.
Max 7 was the choice.
Newark727 wrote:Allegiant buying new planes? Next we'll have dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!
Dutchy wrote:Opus99 wrote:https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive-us-carrier-allegiant-air-buy-50-boeing-737-max-jets-sources-2022-01-04/
Article here.
737 max 7 seemed to have been pitted against the A220.
Max 7 was the choice.
that would be quite surprising to me, both would represent a new fleet for them, but the A220 seems to be better suited than the 737M7, too heavy for what it is. To offset that difference in operating cost, the price must be quite low.
Newark727 wrote:Allegiant buying new planes? Next we'll have dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!
Dutchy wrote:that would be quite surprising to me, both would represent a new fleet for them, but the A220 seems to be better suited than the 737M7, too heavy for what it is. To offset that difference in operating cost, the price must be quite low.
ikolkyo wrote:MAX 7??? This is such an odd order.
ikolkyo wrote:MAX 7??? This is such an odd order.
cbphoto wrote:There has been a fairly credible rumor going around for a while now that G4 was close on acquiring a second fleet type and that it was between the A220 and 737 Max, with the 737 having a a slight edge. It sounds like it could potentially be an order for Max 7s as well
as being the US launch customer for the Max 8200. It will be interesting to see what the split is and what future purchase options they have as well.
AndoAv8R wrote:Isnt it a little early for april fools jokes
Dutchy wrote:
that would be quite surprising to me, both would represent a new fleet for them, but the A220 seems to be better suited than the 737M7, too heavy for what it is. To offset that difference in operating cost, the price must be quite low.
Duke91 wrote:I wonder which one has a worse margin these days, the A220 or the max7
RWA380 wrote:Opus99 wrote:https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive-us-carrier-allegiant-air-buy-50-boeing-737-max-jets-sources-2022-01-04/
Article here.
737 max 7 seemed to have been pitted against the A220.
Max 7 was the choice.
And could get G4 into the Hawaii market again with LAS & AZA & lots more. Last time G4 did HI they had old 757's, that broke down, had too many seats to fill vs a 737-7. It's really the last "Sun" market left for them. G4 has ETOPS 180 certification from the FAA , if they order the 737-7 ETOPS equipped, they could be up & running in a few months. Tha MAX 7, may allow PSP, FAT, EUG, GEG at a prifit with the realized fuel burn vs theose antiquated 757-200's they tried so hard to work with.
Opus99 wrote:The max. Airlines are buying it. Is it selling like the 321NEO. Maybe not. But the fact that it’s selling nicely (for Boeing). They won’t replace it as urgently as some analysts are telling them to.
Duke91 wrote:Opus99 wrote:The max. Airlines are buying it. Is it selling like the 321NEO. Maybe not. But the fact that it’s selling nicely (for Boeing). They won’t replace it as urgently as some analysts are telling them to.
This is good news for Airbus since Boeing will not give the max up very soon, so that they can reap the cash cow A320/A321 program with their ridiculous margin.
Expect them to take even more time to announce the A225
TheSpaceCadet wrote:ikolkyo wrote:MAX 7??? This is such an odd order.
Not if they got'em at a FIRE SALE price.
Opus99 wrote:Duke91 wrote:Opus99 wrote:The max. Airlines are buying it. Is it selling like the 321NEO. Maybe not. But the fact that it’s selling nicely (for Boeing). They won’t replace it as urgently as some analysts are telling them to.
This is good news for Airbus since Boeing will not give the max up very soon, so that they can reap the cash cow A320/A321 program with their ridiculous margin.
Expect them to take even more time to announce the A225
it doesn't mean they won't launch a new plane. it just won't replace the max family exactly
Duke91 wrote:Opus99 wrote:Duke91 wrote:
This is good news for Airbus since Boeing will not give the max up very soon, so that they can reap the cash cow A320/A321 program with their ridiculous margin.
Expect them to take even more time to announce the A225
it doesn't mean they won't launch a new plane. it just won't replace the max family exactly
Yeah, but the question is not if they both will launch a new plane at some point, but when. And with every new order for Boeing the status quo is maintained, which benefits Airbus at this moment.
ben7x wrote:If this is true, I am really surprised why WN and G4 get very cheap prices (we know the WN planes were very cheap and the G4 must be too, or they wouldn’t order it) and FR doesn’t. I know Ryanair wants cheap prices, but I really cannot imagine Allegiant (an airline with an around 98% second-hand bought fleet) would pay much higher prices.
Duke91 wrote:Yeah, but the question is not if they both will launch a new plane at some point, but when. And with every new order for Boeing the status quo is maintained, which benefits Airbus at this moment.
BoeingG wrote:Airlines are getting fed up with Airbus's extravagant prices. I expect to see more 320/220 cancellations in the coming years as Boeing rebounds.
WaywardMemphian wrote:So much for that A-Net trope about the added cost of a mixed fleet. But, if G4 is adamant about flying daily or 6 days a week on routes like MEM-LAX this is needed.
jbs2886 wrote:Incredibly annoying all the preposterous comments that Boeing can only sell a MAX if it gave them away at fire sale prices. Did Allegiant get a good deal? Very likely. But giving them away? That has no basis in reality.
wjcandee wrote:This seems completely-nuts. Has Allegiant had a change of leadership recently? Does Maurice Gallagher have Alzheimer's or some other personality-altering disease? This is a complete-reversal of everything every airline he has been involved with has done. Moving to the A320 raised their reliability enormously, because of the predictive-maintenance/onboard-diagnostics stuff. Presumably, the MAX has something similar, but...seriously??? As if people weren't already worried (perhaps irrationally) about safety with Allegiant -- and they're getting the MAX?
Whatever.
Revelation wrote:Dutchy wrote:that would be quite surprising to me, both would represent a new fleet for them, but the A220 seems to be better suited than the 737M7, too heavy for what it is. To offset that difference in operating cost, the price must be quite low.
IMO all that was needed was to offer similar pricing and better availability than Airbus Canada can. Given the recent QF and KL deals and the low production rate, chances are that the queue for A220s is quite long these days. A nice kind of problem to have, but still, not ideal. The Bloomberg article talks a lot about Allegiant wanting to cash in on recent strong demand for non-business flights. Hard to do that if you can't get airplanes.
sxf24 wrote:wjcandee wrote:reliability...is one area where the A220 looses against the... MAX.
wjcandee wrote:This seems completely-nuts. Has Allegiant had a change of leadership recently? Does Maurice Gallagher have Alzheimer's or some other personality-altering disease? This is a complete-reversal of everything every airline he has been involved with has done. Moving to the A320 raised their reliability enormously, because of the predictive-maintenance/onboard-diagnostics stuff. Presumably, the MAX has something similar, but...seriously??? As if people weren't already worried (perhaps irrationally) about safety with Allegiant -- and they're getting the MAX?
"We digested and are running smoothly with the A320-series. So now we're going to take on a huge project to bring aboard another fleet, with all the training of the entire operation, from agents to maintenance to compliance, to FAs, to pilots." Why? That was so much fun we want to do it again? It's not like the market for used A320CEOs has dried up. Just weird.
But whatever. It's their company, and their fate.