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Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:21 am

Dear fellow A.netters,

As my memory is getting mistier and mistier, I am struggling somewhat to recall the various configurations of the many variants of L-1011 operated by BA (as well as British Airtours and Caledonian) throughout the years (1,50,200,500).

Do any of you recall the various configurations used by BA through the years? I am particularly interested about the ones operated on longer hauls... do any of you recall which routes they operated? Off the top of my head I recall Baltimore, Detroit, Boston, NY, some Caribbean islands, various African capitals, Kuwait, Bahrain, Jeddah, Dahran, Abu Dhabi, Colombo...

Config-wise all I remember is that the long-haul birds were very spacious, with big J and F cabins, and a small Y cabin (in one instance with as low as 136 seats) with 9-across seating in a 3-3-3 configuration.
The short haul birds had 10-across in a 3-4-3, with the charter birds seating up to 393 passengers in an all-Y configuration.

Thanks in advance for sharing your precious memories!

danny
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:34 am

I only had one return trip on a Tristar, which was LGW- NAP operated by British Airtours.

It was either my first or second widebody flight ( I can’t recall off the top of my head whether it was the Tristar or an Ethiopian 767) and it was all economy. I recall being utterly amazed at how vast the cabin was. If my memory serves me right it was a single open cabin without any intermediate bulkheads but that might be wrong.

In days gone by I used to visit Kew Gardens in West London which is right under the LHR flightpath and I ‘d just lie on on the grass my back watching planes go overhead and from underneath the shape size and sound of the Tristar was always my favourite.
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:01 pm

Flew on G-BBAF, AH and AI, all whilst they were operating for Caledonian

jumpjets is right about the cabin. An incredibly voluminous space, enhanced by no overhead bins over the centre seat row....just that trendy 70's suspended ceiling!

I have two great aviation disappointments. Flying LHR-BDA as a kid in '78 and finding a BA 747 at the gate not a VC-10. The other was flying LGW-ATL with Delta in '96 and so looking forward to flying the L1011-500 and finding a bloody MD11 was on duty!
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:23 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
As my memory is getting mistier and mistier, I am struggling somewhat to recall the various configurations of the many variants of L-1011 operated by BA (as well as British Airtours and Caledonian) throughout the years (1,50,200,500).


There's a pretty good video about the legendary Lockheed TriStar here - https://travelupdate.com/lockheed-tristar-video/

I actually included some info about the TriStar's Active Load Control system in an assignment for my aviation Masters. It was so technologically advanced for its time!

Anyway, for British Airways, they operated the L-1011-1, L-1011-100, L-1011-200, L-1011-200F and L-1011-500. I always found it really strange that five of the L-1011-500s that were delivered in 1979 and 1980 went to the RAF in 1983. Only three or four years in service is a very short period of time.

I'll be really interested to see the seating plans if anyone has them in a timetable. Fingers crossed someone has them.
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:45 pm

A single BA L1011 was a common site at JFK, in the 1980s, and I believe it was the aircraft operating the JFK-MAN service.
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:21 pm

In the 1980s, BA's L-1011 flights from DTW to LHR stopped at YMX, with full local traffic rights on DTW-YMX.
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:22 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
oldannyboy wrote:
As my memory is getting mistier and mistier, I am struggling somewhat to recall the various configurations of the many variants of L-1011 operated by BA (as well as British Airtours and Caledonian) throughout the years (1,50,200,500).


Anyway, for British Airways, they operated the L-1011-1, L-1011-100, L-1011-200, L-1011-200F and L-1011-500.
I always found it really strange that five of the L-1011-500s that were delivered in 1979 and 1980 went to the RAF in 1983. Only three or four years in service is a very short period of time.
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British Airways operated the TriStar -1, TriStar -50, TriStar -200 and TriStar -500. At BA they were always called the 'TriStar', never the 'L-1011'.
The -50s were converted from -1s.
BA did not operate the 1011-100 or 1011-200F (if that means freighter).
At the end of 1982 BA was in serious financial trouble, and as a matter of urgency a number of aircraft were sold to raise cash. The sales included all six TriStar 500s to the RAF. However, three were leased back to BA at different times, one of which operated MAN-JFK in summer '85.
As well as the TriStar 500s being sold to the RAF, two 747-136s were sold to TWA, two undelivered 747-236s were sold to Malaysian, and two undelivered 757-236s were sold to Air Europe.
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:36 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
Dear fellow A.netters,

As my memory is getting mistier and mistier, I am struggling somewhat to recall the various configurations of the many variants of L-1011 operated by BA (as well as British Airtours and Caledonian) throughout the years (1, 50, 200, 500).

Do any of you ...recall which routes they operated?
Off the top of my head I recall Baltimore, Detroit, Boston, NY, some Caribbean islands, various African capitals, Kuwait, Bahrain, Jeddah, Dahran, Abu Dhabi, Colombo...



As well as the 'longhaul' cities you list, BA used TriStars on services to DOH, BKK, KUL and MNL, and one of the African capitals was LOS.
The TriStar 200 was used to the Far East on services that operated LHR-AUH-KUL-MNL, LHR-BAH-BKK-KUL and MAN-MUC-DXB-BKK-HKG.
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:39 pm

I regularly flew to KUL on the Tristar 200s in the 1980s until they started being phased out and replaced by the 747 Classic.

BA33 used to operate initially twice weekly LHR-BAH-BKK-KUL departing LHR in the late afternoon (mon/fri) arriving in KUL around 1630 hrs the next day before heading back to LHR as the BA32 at 1930 hrs local. At the time KUL also had a mix of Kangaroo route 747 Classic flights (BA9/10/11/12) and prior to this BA33 route commencing - I gather there was also a short lived Tristar service which flew via the Middle East to KUL and then hopped down to terminate in SIN.. I think it was LHR-AUH-KUL-SIN replacing the VC10. Around this time - it is also interesting to note that BA flew only a very limited service to BKK from LHR but also had a weekly BA21 Manchester-Munich-?(I think DXB)-BKK-HKG service also operated by the Tristar.

As BA then consolidated its Australian/NZ routes via SIN and then later also via BKK - another BA33/32 route was launched for a few years operating LHR-AUH-KUL-MNL departing LHR on Thurs/Sun mid-morning, arriving KUL before lunch the next day. This route was replaced with a 747 Classic around 1988 as the Tristar was phased out of Southeast Asian routes and KUL returned to the Kangaroo route with BA9 operating LHR-BKK-KUL-Aust/NZ along with BA149 (LHR-KWI-MAA-KUL) and so on (and Manila was changed to link with HKG).

The Tristars were lovely planes to fly on…

First Class up front with ‘Slumberette Seats’ and SuperClub in the remaining forward cabin. In the main cabin (aft of Door2) the first few rows had ‘Converter Seats’ which could be changed from Economy configuration by lifting down the central section of the centre seat to form the SuperClub armrest with cup holders. This made the SuperClub cabin changeable in terms of capacity and there was a moveable curtain to separate the cabin. I can’t remember if all SuperClub seats installed were all ‘Converter’ seats on the entire aircraft - and it may be that the forward cabin had fixed ‘proper’ SuperClub seats - I can’t recall - sorry!

We loved the fact that if we sat at the front of the Economy section and if the load was light - we could convert the seats into a ‘club seat’! Lol.

The rear section (after of Door3) had 4-5 rows of Economy and in those days this was the Smoking section…Incredible to imagine nowadays! And behind this was a coat cabinet inside the read bulkhead with a futuristic electric hanger system for coats that whirred up and down when crew members stored clothing. This was also a semicircular corridor with 5 main toilets for Economy and the engine 3 intake was above this corridor - along with smaller ‘mini’ doors for doors 4L and 4R.. I seem to think these two were smaller right at the back!

IFE was the old fashioned screen at the front bulkhead and the IFE cabinet was in a cabinet located aft of door 2R. I remember they used Betamax tapes! Lol

I often got to visit the cockpit usually between BKK and KUL in those days and it was always an amazing view. The flaps always extended one by one I seem to recall - I think port side whirring first then starboard whirring into position… but I could be wrong..

The seats were mostly orange or purple in that diamond and circle pattern which just shouted late-1970s before they got the beautiful Landor makeover and everything went to shades of grey, dark Blue with red dots… and the stripey silver, red and blue uniforms became standard.

I’d love to be able to ride on one of those Tristars again..

Hope this helps!
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:46 pm

BA converted many of their Tristar 200 to remove the lower galley and extend the fwd freight hold in its place. The main deck galleys were made larger by removing the lifts. They must have made more money from freight than Y pax. Was this the Tristar 200F??
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:51 pm

BealineV953 wrote:
British Airways operated the TriStar -1, TriStar -50, TriStar -200 and TriStar -500. At BA they were always called the 'TriStar', never the 'L-1011'.
The -50s were converted from -1s.
BA did not operate the 1011-100 or 1011-200F (if that means freighter).
At the end of 1982 BA was in serious financial trouble, and as a matter of urgency a number of aircraft were sold to raise cash. The sales included all six TriStar 500s to the RAF. However, three were leased back to BA at different times, one of which operated MAN-JFK in summer '85.
As well as the TriStar 500s being sold to the RAF, two 747-136s were sold to TWA, two undelivered 747-236s were sold to Malaysian, and two undelivered 757-236s were sold to Air Europe.
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Very good information there - I got the fleet details from here - https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/British%20Airways-history-l10.htm - I also was curious about what a 200F was as well, as I'd never come across it until I saw that page. Maybe a conversion? Fine that they were called the TriStar at BA, many other airlines did that as well.

Thanks for the detail on the sale as well. Fascinating!
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 3:14 pm

I only ever flew one L1011-100, a Caledonian example ,G-BBAF. However, did manage to grab 4 legs on it, LGW-BAH-GOI & vv.
Sat in the seats immediately as you board door 2L. A 2 seater all on its own next to the galley. Crew were brilliant. As it was a charter, you had to pay for your drinks, but they’d happily let you drink your own booze that we bought in LGW and BAH. Remember the crew also using the lower galley/kitchen.And we managed to snag those seats on all 4 sectors.
Remember going to the loo, in the semi circle of 5 at the back.. incredibly noisy IIRC.
Bizarrely , this frame still exists in one piece outside the Abu Dhabi Auto Museum, just gathering dust.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitle ... UuUA%3D%3D
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 3:21 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
A single BA L1011 was a common site at JFK, in the 1980s, and I believe it was the aircraft operating the JFK-MAN service.


Some were used towards the end of it's BA career, early 90's on GLA-JFK too before 767's and 757's ran the route.
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 3:33 pm

BA flew with -500 GRU-GIG-LHR in the 1980s, perhaps the longest Tristar route in the world.
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:43 pm

Before the 767 BA ran the L1011 on JFK-MAN. In the winter it included a tag-on to GLA. I have flown VC-10, L1011 and 767 on that route. Greatly missed.
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:59 pm

I flew one regularly on the JFK/MAN service as well in the mid-80s. I think the flight numbers were 182/183. It was always full year round and a comfortable cabin in all classes.
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:11 pm

Tristars were used routinely on the short shuttle London - Paris before the Channel Tunnel opened.

JER airport fire service etc was sized to cope with BA Tristars, in case BA subbed them for the usual 1-11s and 732s! G-BBAF was sent to JER once (!) to upload pax stranded by fog - pics here:

https://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/co ... e/Tristar/
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:14 pm

WA707atMSP wrote:
In the 1980s, BA's L-1011 flights from DTW to LHR stopped at YMX, with full local traffic rights on DTW-YMX.

Correct. I was in a LHR-YMX-DTW BA flight in spring 1989, operated by a L-1011-500. The return flight was cancelled due to a mechanical problem with the plane, and I was sent via JFK, with the DTW-JFK leg operated by a PanAm 727 (my only ever flight with PanAm).

A few years earlier, in 1986, I was in another BA L-1011, this time from CDG to LHR. I'm not sure which sub-model it was.
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:23 pm

Flew on them quite a bit over the years, including my last TriStar flight which was on an RAF -500. It still had a framed British Airways route map in the rear toilet area!

On the famous first TriStar visit to Jersey after a fog diversion, the airport fire service were indeed equipped to cope with the aircraft but unfortunately none of the BA Jersey aircraft steps were, and they didn't quite reach. Much fun and games ensued.

After the TriStar 500s had gone to the RAF (with G-BFCE leased back in 1985 to cover the fleet shortfall for G-BBAI after its runway excursion at Leeds early that summer season), BA actually brought in two other TriStar 500s from AirLanka - G-BLUS and G-BLUT. They were the only two -500s in the fleet at the time and there was a specific route/reason why they needed them and I can't remember exactly what it was and don't have the BA timetables to hand to check - sure someone must know!

The MAN/JFK BA183 was indeed operated by a TriStar for several years before it went to the BA Regional 767 with G-BNWH operating that for almost as long.

The 393Y British Airtours / Caledonian aircraft were certainly high density. The underfloor galleys were great to work in - if that was your working position then you normally went down there for the entire flight to run the galley and could change into shorts & T-shirt for the sector when everyone upstairs was in uniform in the "public areas".
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:29 pm

Does anyone know how the galleys were added to the main deck after the lower galley was removed on the long body planes? Were the retractable coat closets removed and galleys put in their place at doors 2&3?
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:33 pm

LAXffDUB wrote:
I flew one regularly on the JFK/MAN service as well in the mid-80s. I think the flight numbers were 182/183. It was always full year round and a comfortable cabin in all classes.


Yes, it was BA 182/183. It operated with an L1011 in the 1980s. In the 1990s it switched to a 767-300ER.
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:44 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
LAXffDUB wrote:
I flew one regularly on the JFK/MAN service as well in the mid-80s. I think the flight numbers were 182/183. It was always full year round and a comfortable cabin in all classes.


Yes, it was BA 182/183. It operated with an L1011 in the 1980s. In the 1990s it switched to a 767-300ER.


BA also flew the L1011 onwards from Manchester via Munich Bahrain Bangkok and on to Hong Kong for a period
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:21 pm

TPA-BDA-LHR also ran several days a week in the late 80's
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:30 pm

I believe BA also used its Tristars 500 into MEX
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:45 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
TriStars were used routinely on the short shuttle London - Paris before the Channel Tunnel opened.



True, at one time the TriStar was a regular to CDG.
However, the last two BA shorthaul TriStars were withdrawn by early '91.
LHR-CDG was then operated by 767s and 757s.
The tunnel opened in '94, and some time after that capacity on the route was significantly reduced to A319s and A320s.
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:56 pm

Some examples from January 1989:

BA 094 Detroit-Montreal-London
BA 32 Manila-Kuala Lumpur-Abu Dhabi-London
BA 32 Kuala Lumpur-Bangkok-Bahrain-London
BA 102 Larnaca-London
BA 126 Muscat-Riyadh-London
BA 132 Jeddah-London
BA 146 Delhi-Kuwait-London
BA 146 Karachi-Kuwait-London
BA 148 Karachi-Kuwait-London
BA 148 Madras-Kuwait-London
BA 152 Khartoum-Cairo-London
BA 154 Luxor-Cairo-London
BA 156 Amman-Cairo-London
BA 158 Baghdad-Cairo-London
BA 232 Nassau-Bermuda-London
BA 232 Tampa-Bermuda-London
BA 305 Paris CDG-London
BA 315 Paris CDG-London
BA 391 Brussels-London
BA 631 Athens-London
BA 657 Tel Aviv-London
BA 663 Larnaca-London
BA 907 Frankfurt-London
BA 953 Munich-London
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:56 pm

UALWN wrote:
WA707atMSP wrote:
In the 1980s, BA's L-1011 flights from DTW to LHR stopped at YMX, with full local traffic rights on DTW-YMX.

Correct. I was in a LHR-YMX-DTW BA flight in spring 1989, operated by a L-1011-500.


By June 1990, DTW-YMX-LHR was a 747-400.

L-1011 on PIT-PHL-LHR in June 1989, IIRC.
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:10 pm

Some examples from January 1980:

BA 32 Singapore-Kuala Lumpur-Bombay-London
BA 100 Dubai-Bahrain-London
BA 110 Karachi-Dubai-Kuwait-London
BA 110 Doha-Kuwait-London
BA 120 Abu Dhabi-Dhahran-London
BA 122 Dhahran-London
BA 130 Jeddah-London
BA 150 Cairo-London
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:17 pm

PB26 wrote:
BA flew with -500 GRU-GIG-LHR in the 1980s, perhaps the longest Tristar route in the world.


Those were 2 -500 (G-BLUS/T) that BA had to lease from Sri Lankan in 1985 (I believe it was called Air Ceylon back then) for the Brazil routes as BA had ditched its own -500 in 1983.

BA got the South Atlantic routes swapping the Saudi Arabia routes with BCAL's in 1985. I believe these 2 TriStar 500s were used to fly to CCS as well,
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:18 pm

For a short time in the early 1980s there was a London (don’t know which airport) -msy- mex tristar service, presumably with a -500.
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:22 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
UALWN wrote:
WA707atMSP wrote:
In the 1980s, BA's L-1011 flights from DTW to LHR stopped at YMX, with full local traffic rights on DTW-YMX.

Correct. I was in a LHR-YMX-DTW BA flight in spring 1989, operated by a L-1011-500.


By June 1990, DTW-YMX-LHR was a 747-400.

L-1011 on PIT-PHL-LHR in June 1989, IIRC.


I think (but I might be wrong) DTW-YMX-LHR went from an L1011 to a 747-100/200 initially and not to the 744. 747-400 deliveries to BA began in 1989 (July). Seems improbable that the route was quickly upgauged to the 744 that soon but I could be wrong.
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:24 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
BealineV953 wrote:
British Airways operated the TriStar -1, TriStar -50, TriStar -200 and TriStar -500. At BA they were always called the 'TriStar', never the 'L-1011'.
The -50s were converted from -1s.
BA did not operate the 1011-100 or 1011-200F (if that means freighter).
At the end of 1982 BA was in serious financial trouble, and as a matter of urgency a number of aircraft were sold to raise cash. The sales included all six TriStar 500s to the RAF. However, three were leased back to BA at different times, one of which operated MAN-JFK in summer '85.
As well as the TriStar 500s being sold to the RAF, two 747-136s were sold to TWA, two undelivered 747-236s were sold to Malaysian, and two undelivered 757-236s were sold to Air Europe.
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Very good information there - I got the fleet details from here - https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/British%20Airways-history-l10.htm -
I also was curious about what a 200F was as well, as I'd never come across it until I saw that page. Maybe a conversion?
Fine that they were called the TriStar at BA, many other airlines did that as well.

Thanks for the detail on the sale as well. Fascinating!


At the end of the 1960s BEA ordered 9 TriStar -1s. They would replace 140 seat Trident 3Bs, so with 350 or so seats they represented a huge step up in capacity.
Delivery was expected in, IIRC, 1971, but problems with the RB 2-11 pushed delivery back to 1974, by which time BEA was part of BA.
BEA and BA had expected to be able to fill the TriStar on many European routes, and to use it on overnight services to 'leisure' destinations like Palma and Ibiza.
However, BA soon discovered that filling a TriStar on European routes was a challenge. Because of that, the last three of the nine were used on 'mid' and longhaul routes, and were converted from -1s to -50s in 1985. Airfleets should show G-BEAK, AL and 'AM as -50s.
Of the other six -1s, from 1982 onwards, five were transferred to British Airtours (later Caledonian).
BA did not operate -100s. However, four ex-BA -1s were upgraded to -100s for Caledonian.

BA retired all of its TriStar 200s in 1991.
Two were leased to Kuwait Airways in '92 to help that airline get back up and running, and two were leased to Air Lanka until '94. Most of the fleet were stored at Mojave for some time.
Between 1994 and 1996 American International progressively bought the fleet. It was that airline that converted six of the eight to freighters. The first flight of a freighter conversion was in August '95.
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:34 pm

I remember going up the back steps of G-BHBN Bideford Bay as a child at Dhahran. Planted BA firmly in my heart, sadly that affection has dwindled over the years.

Kind Regards

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Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:41 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
UALWN wrote:
Correct. I was in a LHR-YMX-DTW BA flight in spring 1989, operated by a L-1011-500.


By June 1990, DTW-YMX-LHR was a 747-400.

L-1011 on PIT-PHL-LHR in June 1989, IIRC.


I think (but I might be wrong) DTW-YMX-LHR went from an L1011 to a 747-100/200 initially and not to the 744. 747-400 deliveries to BA began in 1989 (July). Seems improbable that the route was quickly upgauged to the 744 that soon but I could be wrong.


For what it is worth, I flew on a BA 747-136 LHR-YMX in May '95, and on a BA 747-136 LHR-DTW direct in July '95.
As I recall, the early BA 747-400 services were to the Far East where the range was needed.
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:44 pm

Forgot to mention that BA also leased a Tristar 1 direct from Eastern around late 78’
N323EA.
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:44 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
UALWN wrote:
Correct. I was in a LHR-YMX-DTW BA flight in spring 1989, operated by a L-1011-500.


By June 1990, DTW-YMX-LHR was a 747-400.

L-1011 on PIT-PHL-LHR in June 1989, IIRC.


I think (but I might be wrong) DTW-YMX-LHR went from an L1011 to a 747-100/200 initially and not to the 744. 747-400 deliveries to BA began in 1989 (July). Seems improbable that the route was quickly upgauged to the 744 that soon but I could be wrong.


Before the -436s were put on Far East routes, they were used on the YMX-DTW route. I think this was partly for crew training, because a crew flying to DTW could get two landings in each direction.
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:29 pm

WA707atMSP wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

By June 1990, DTW-YMX-LHR was a 747-400.

L-1011 on PIT-PHL-LHR in June 1989, IIRC.


I think (but I might be wrong) DTW-YMX-LHR went from an L1011 to a 747-100/200 initially and not to the 744. 747-400 deliveries to BA began in 1989 (July). Seems improbable that the route was quickly upgauged to the 744 that soon but I could be wrong.


Before the -436s were put on Far East routes, they were used on the YMX-DTW route. I think this was partly for crew training, because a crew flying to DTW could get two landings in each direction.


That makes sense. I wasn't sure I had the right info, but I do remember by the mid-1990s, the DTW-YMX-LHR route went 741/2.
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:45 pm

rutankrd wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
LAXffDUB wrote:
I flew one regularly on the JFK/MAN service as well in the mid-80s. I think the flight numbers were 182/183. It was always full year round and a comfortable cabin in all classes.


Yes, it was BA 182/183. It operated with an L1011 in the 1980s. In the 1990s it switched to a 767-300ER.


BA also flew the L1011 onwards from Manchester via Munich Bahrain Bangkok and on to Hong Kong for a period


Thinking about MAN and BA's presence there got me wondering; did they ever use the 747s or DC10s as well?
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:49 pm

dcajet wrote:
PB26 wrote:
BA flew with -500 GRU-GIG-LHR in the 1980s, perhaps the longest Tristar route in the world.


Those were 2 -500 (G-BLUS/T) that BA had to lease from Sri Lankan in 1985 (I believe it was called Air Ceylon back then) for the Brazil routes as BA had ditched its own -500 in 1983.

BA got the South Atlantic routes swapping the Saudi Arabia routes with BCAL's in 1985. I believe these 2 TriStar 500s were used to fly to CCS as well,

Yes, I remember a story which L1011-500 was used mainly in Brazil routes, possibly to others routes too, hence 2 planes to fly twice GRU-GIG-LHR was too much.
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:07 pm

LAXffDUB wrote:
rutankrd wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:

Yes, it was BA 182/183. It operated with an L1011 in the 1980s. In the 1990s it switched to a 767-300ER.


BA also flew the L1011 onwards from Manchester via Munich Bahrain Bangkok and on to Hong Kong for a period


Thinking about MAN and BA's presence there got me wondering; did they ever use the 747s or DC10s as well?


MAN had 747-200s to both ISB and HKG in the 1990s, but I can't recall any details about schedule, frequency etc.
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:28 am

Very good detailed seatplans of the BA TriStar 200 and 500 (3-Class Long Haul) and TriStar 1 (Short Haul) from their 1988 Timetable.
(Scroll down towards the end)
British Airways 1988 Timetable

By this stage all versions of the TriStar have been converted to 10-abreast in economy. And the scale of the conversion to main-deck galleys on the 200 from the 1 is apparent.
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:05 am

The Montreal/Detroit routing was definitely on a 747-100 by June '96 as I flew on G-AWNC out and G-BBPU back to Montreal - two memorable flights in First Class both ways. I'll dig out some more TriStar BA timetable details and post when I can.

After the Trident and Tristar BA posts, I can see a separate forum for British Airways historic information developing to rival the BA Heritage Collection. That's well worth a visit when it's possible to do so - it was kept up for many years by Paul Jarvis, who was BA's company secretary - an enthusiast and a delightful chap who passed away a few years ago. In a rare move (for BA!), 787 G-ZBJJ is named after him.

It's a complication they obviously don't feel they need nowadays but judging by a couple of posts earlier, the naming of BA aircraft clearly sticks so favourably in many memories. It always lent a mild air of reassurance as you boarded the "City of Winchester" or "County of West Glamorgan" in some far-away place to head home. Aer Lingus and Iberia both manage it (and Vueling do on most aircraft) so it's now BA which is the odd one out from the IAG brand standard for not naming its aircraft!
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:41 am

ContinentalEWR wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
UALWN wrote:
Correct. I was in a LHR-YMX-DTW BA flight in spring 1989, operated by a L-1011-500.


By June 1990, DTW-YMX-LHR was a 747-400.

L-1011 on PIT-PHL-LHR in June 1989, IIRC.


I think (but I might be wrong) DTW-YMX-LHR went from an L1011 to a 747-100/200 initially and not to the 744. 747-400 deliveries to BA began in 1989 (July). Seems improbable that the route was quickly upgauged to the 744 that soon but I could be wrong.


I was on it. It was a -400, at least the dates I traveled r/t in June/July 1989 (for the bicentennial of the French Revolution). How DTW got the new frame, I can't say.
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:53 am

I only flew on them one round trip, in Fall 85 (can’t remember the exact date) returning in April 87. Just the LHR-CDGvv route, though, so didn’t have much time to enjoy the onboard experience.

The return flight was on G-BBAH, Lyme Bay as it was named at the time.
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:20 am

ContinentalEWR wrote:
[I think (but I might be wrong) DTW-YMX-LHR went from an L1011 to a 747-100/200 initially and not to the 744. 747-400 deliveries to BA began in 1989 (July). Seems improbable that the route was quickly upgauged to the 744 that soon but I could be wrong.


BealineV953 wrote:
As I recall, the early BA 747-400 services were to the Far East where the range was needed.


MIflyer12 wrote:
I was on it. It was a -400, at least the dates I traveled r/t in June/July 1989 (for the bicentennial of the French Revolution). How DTW got the new frame, I can't say.


The first BA B-744 route was LHR-PHL-PIT. The second was LHR-YMX-DTW. This was to give crews familiarity with departure/arrival procedures in the new type.
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:25 am

PB26 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
PB26 wrote:
BA flew with -500 GRU-GIG-LHR in the 1980s, perhaps the longest Tristar route in the world.


Those were 2 -500 (G-BLUS/T) that BA had to lease from Sri Lankan in 1985 (I believe it was called Air Ceylon back then) for the Brazil routes as BA had ditched its own -500 in 1983.

BA got the South Atlantic routes swapping the Saudi Arabia routes with BCAL's in 1985. I believe these 2 TriStar 500s were used to fly to CCS as well,

Yes, I remember a story which L1011-500 was used mainly in Brazil routes, possibly to others routes too, hence 2 planes to fly twice GRU-GIG-LHR was too much.


At the time of the route swap, BA found itself without the right equipment for the Brazil route, and I suppose the 747-100/200 were deemed to be too big for the route initially, as BA was shut out from operating at EZE as a consequence of the Falklands conflict. Hence why the -500 made a comeback to the BA fleet.

In any case the -500 soldiered on the route for a few more years until replaced by the 747-200 and later on the -400, as by early 1990 BA got approval to resume operations to Argentina.
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:42 am

Thanks everyone for the amazing responses and wonderful memories - this is priceless guys!!!
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Thu Jan 06, 2022 2:23 pm

I remember flying BA from Nairobi to London/Heathrow in 1986. I believe that was BA 55 (Johannesburg-Nairobi-London; maybe sometimes with a stop in Harare.)

I was disappointed when we got to the gate in Nairobi. A 747 was waiting for us.
At least once a week, the flight was on an L1011 with an additional stop in Larnaca.

I also recall that our BA flight parked next to a Saudia L1011.

In retrospect, I do not think I was missing much. The L1011 flight was at least 24 hours late. And I imagine that the 10-across seating was not terribly comfortable. (To be fair, United, Pan Am, and Hawaiian all flew with 10-across on their L1011s.) As much as I love the L1011, that seems like it would have been a bit too cozy.
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Thu Jan 06, 2022 2:54 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Tristars were used routinely on the short shuttle London - Paris before the Channel Tunnel opened.

JER airport fire service etc was sized to cope with BA Tristars, in case BA subbed them for the usual 1-11s and 732s! G-BBAF was sent to JER once (!) to upload pax stranded by fog - pics here:

https://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/co ... e/Tristar/


Correct. TriStars were routinely used on many intra-European shorthauls, right up till the very end. In this case the -1 variant.
Destinations included: MAD, ATH, FCO,AMS, CDG, AGP, PMI, MLA, LCA.
 
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Re: Tristar at BA - cabin & config & long-haul routes

Thu Jan 06, 2022 2:58 pm

mats wrote:
I remember flying BA from Nairobi to London/Heathrow in 1986. I believe that was BA 55 (Johannesburg-Nairobi-London; maybe sometimes with a stop in Harare.)

I was disappointed when we got to the gate in Nairobi. A 747 was waiting for us.
At least once a week, the flight was on an L1011 with an additional stop in Larnaca.

I also recall that our BA flight parked next to a Saudia L1011.

In retrospect, I do not think I was missing much. The L1011 flight was at least 24 hours late. And I imagine that the 10-across seating was not terribly comfortable. (To be fair, United, Pan Am, and Hawaiian all flew with 10-across on their L1011s.) As much as I love the L1011, that seems like it would have been a bit too cozy.


I do confirm that the TriStar was used to Nairobi. Just last night a former school friend was saying they flew down to Nairobi on one some-time around 1983/84. Not sure about the LCA stop though.
I do not think that the long-haul BA TriStars had ten-across in Y. At least initially (and then on for many years), 10-across was reserved for the short-haul fleet, and for the KT charter birds.
PA instead had 10 abreast on their L15 right from the onset.

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