Opus99 wrote:

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/1482040540015173634?s=21

Michael Teal the infamous chief engineer of the 737 max that was moved to the 777X chief engineer is leaving April 1st and but David Lafong the 777 CPE assumes his role immediately.

First mark Jenks now Michael Teal. Is Boeing finally weeding out some of the poor leaders within the business?

BoeingGuy wrote:

Opus99 wrote:

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/1482040540015173634?s=21

Michael Teal the infamous chief engineer of the 737 max that was moved to the 777X chief engineer is leaving April 1st and but David Lafong the 777 CPE assumes his role immediately.

First mark Jenks now Michael Teal. Is Boeing finally weeding out some of the poor leaders within the business?

It’s Dave Loffing. We got an e-mail a few hours ago about this.

I’ve never met Michael in person, but didn’t have a good impression of him. He didn’t seem to have a lot of technical understanding, yet he was dictating to engineers they should design new safety features and alerting on the 777X. He really didn’t know what he was talking about.

Opus99 wrote:

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/1482040540015173634?s=21

Michael Teal the infamous chief engineer of the 737 max that was moved to the 777X chief engineer is leaving April 1st and but David Lafong the 777 CPE assumes his role immediately.

First mark Jenks now Michael Teal. Is Boeing finally weeding out some of the poor leaders within the business?

BoeingGuy wrote:

Opus99 wrote:

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/1482040540015173634?s=21

Michael Teal the infamous chief engineer of the 737 max that was moved to the 777X chief engineer is leaving April 1st and but David Lafong the 777 CPE assumes his role immediately.

First mark Jenks now Michael Teal. Is Boeing finally weeding out some of the poor leaders within the business?

It’s Dave Loffing. We got an e-mail a few hours ago about this.

I’ve never met Michael in person, but didn’t have a good impression of him. He didn’t seem to have a lot of technical understanding, yet he was dictating to engineers they should design new safety features and alerting on the 777X. He really didn’t know what he was talking about.

Opus99 wrote:

BoeingGuy wrote:

Opus99 wrote:

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/1482040540015173634?s=21

Michael Teal the infamous chief engineer of the 737 max that was moved to the 777X chief engineer is leaving April 1st and but David Lafong the 777 CPE assumes his role immediately.

First mark Jenks now Michael Teal. Is Boeing finally weeding out some of the poor leaders within the business?

It’s Dave Loffing. We got an e-mail a few hours ago about this.

I’ve never met Michael in person, but didn’t have a good impression of him. He didn’t seem to have a lot of technical understanding, yet he was dictating to engineers they should design new safety features and alerting on the 777X. He really didn’t know what he was talking about.

Auto correct got me there. What are your thoughts on Dave?

BoeingGuy wrote:

Opus99 wrote:

BoeingGuy wrote:

It’s Dave Loffing. We got an e-mail a few hours ago about this.

I’ve never met Michael in person, but didn’t have a good impression of him. He didn’t seem to have a lot of technical understanding, yet he was dictating to engineers they should design new safety features and alerting on the 777X. He really didn’t know what he was talking about.

Auto correct got me there. What are your thoughts on Dave?

I don’t know him, so can’t state an opinion. I do know others who have worked with him, but not clear on the impressions of him.

I have worked with some mid-level 777X engineering leadership who I like. Some of the 787 engineering leadership seems pretty good also.

Pythagoras wrote:

Opus99 wrote:

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/1482040540015173634?s=21

Michael Teal the infamous chief engineer of the 737 max that was moved to the 777X chief engineer is leaving April 1st and but David Lafong the 777 CPE assumes his role immediately.

First mark Jenks now Michael Teal. Is Boeing finally weeding out some of the poor leaders within the business?

It is only an indication that it is time for a set of younger leaders to take on the job of developing the next family of airplanes.

Pythagoras wrote:

BoeingGuy wrote:

Opus99 wrote:

Auto correct got me there. What are your thoughts on Dave?

I don’t know him, so can’t state an opinion. I do know others who have worked with him, but not clear on the impressions of him.

I have worked with some mid-level 777X engineering leadership who I like. Some of the 787 engineering leadership seems pretty good also.

I know both Mark Jenks and Michael Teal, and both are fair and competent technical leaders.

It is my educated guess that the 737MAX has caused a re-evaluation of the flight crew alerting and procedures on the 777X which was outside the scope of the original certification process. Quite a bit of time has passed since 777 was certified during which understanding of human factors also has advanced. As an example we just had an event where the correct altitude was entered in the Master Control Panel (MCP) but the Flight Director (FD) did not register it unless it is reset, as explained in this event at Emirates here:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468293

The issue with safety always is that once you know of a safety issue than one is obligated to address it immediately. As a result of the 737MAX accidents and the finding that human factors are not sufficiently addressed in the regulations, it is understandable that the scope of the work statement for the 777X is not fully known. The rules were essentially changed mid-game. Tough predicament to be in.

BoeingGuy wrote:

I’m well familiar with that Emirates event. That’s not exactly what happened. MCP = Mode Control Panel.

To your point, there is a huge emphasis on Human Factors. A lot of new experts are being hired.

BoeingGuy wrote:

I’ve never met Michael in person, but didn’t have a good impression of him.

SteelChair wrote:

It's hard for me to wish well for anyone who helped preside over Boeing’s long decline. Is there no accountability? You just get to ride off into the sunset after hundreds of people get killed and your company loses its leadership position in the marketplace? Enjoy you retirement son.

This is perhaps tangential and may get deleted by the mods.....but the 0000 777 event placed in context is rather worrisome. By context, I mean next to the Asiana crash and the MAX/MCAS crashes. I was heartened to see some upthread say that Boeing is focusing on the total human factors picture and not viewing these accidents as unique events. It is strangely ironic to me that the company that has been espousing "pilot in control" ever since the A320/FBW was introduced is the company having these human factors accidents and incidents.

SteelChair wrote:

It's hard for me to wish well for anyone who helped preside over Boeing’s long decline. Is there no accountability? You just get to ride off into the sunset after hundreds of people get killed and your company loses its leadership position in the marketplace? Enjoy you retirement son.

This is perhaps tangential and may get deleted by the mods.....but the 0000 777 event placed in context is rather worrisome. By context, I mean next to the Asiana crash and the MAX/MCAS crashes. I was heartened to see some upthread say that Boeing is focusing on the total human factors picture and not viewing these accidents as unique events. It is strangely ironic to me that the company that has been espousing "pilot in control" ever since the A320/FBW was introduced is the company having these human factors accidents and incidents.