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A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:10 pm

A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

First flight operated by Air Inter in 1994, between Paris Orly and Marseille

https://airwaysmag.com/today-in-aviatio ... mraqCgiF2Q
 
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Re: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:12 pm

Amazing what evolved from the original A330-300 which was more like a medium range aircraft that could just barely fly a full load from Southern Europe to the Northeast of the US, flying from Central Europe to the West Coast was completely out range.
 
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Re: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:28 pm

Ironically, Air Inter must be one of very few major airlines where the A330 wasn't a success.
5 ordered, only 4 delivered and all gone by 1997.
Still a good looker though!

 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:38 pm

Indeed, and the big reason was the loss of the french domestic monopoly - that Air Inter enjoyed until 1995. (Still amazing they could previously fill A300s strickly on shorter range domestic flights.)

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On a totally different note, Air Inter was also the early operator of the much smaller and shorter range Dassault Mercure.
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:07 pm

It’s an amazing engineering accomplishment if you take the first air inter frames up to the 330neo now. The world has changed significantly since and this airframe has stayed relevant enough. I wonder if Airbus knew it would have ample room for improvement back when they designed it though the synergies with the 340 sure gave some possibilities for later 330 improvements.

But hey, I’m biased in my opinion! Love the 330.

Airbuster
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:14 pm

Jalap wrote:
Ironically, Air Inter must be one of very few major airlines where the A330 wasn't a success.
5 ordered, only 4 delivered and all gone by 1997.
Still a good looker though!


Air Inter was gone by April 1st, 1997; only one IT A330 (MSN 59) was gone by then, all left after IT disappeared.
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:41 pm

There are a few more airlines for which the A330 didn't work. Monarch, Air Afrique, BMI British Midland and Canada 3000 went bankrupt soon after buying them, partially blaming their long haul widebodies. Virgin Australia also stopped flying them after about 5 years. American Airlines saw it as unwanted stepchild and parked them quite soon after merging with US Airways. (I think their small A332 subfleet would have been worth its weight in gold at this moment with the 787 delays). Austrian traded them against older 767s.
 
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Re: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:07 pm

airbuster wrote:
It’s an amazing engineering accomplishment if you take the first air inter frames up to the 330neo now. The world has changed significantly since and this airframe has stayed relevant enough. I wonder if Airbus knew it would have ample room for improvement back when they designed it though the synergies with the 340 sure gave some possibilities for later 330 improvements.

But hey, I’m biased in my opinion! Love the 330.

Airbuster


Completely agree. The platform of A330 has proven to be reliable and flexible and durable. The basic engineering was very right. Today’s A339 is a stout airplane that still uses much of the old, paid-for infrastructure. Even the A333 CEO remains relevant in some ways today. 28 years later, it is still modern. Incredible.
 
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Re: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:33 pm

ExMilitaryEng wrote:
On a totally different note, Air Inter was also the early operator of the much smaller and shorter range Dassault Mercure.


Indeed, the only operator, I believe.
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:34 pm

airbuster wrote:
It’s an amazing engineering accomplishment if you take the first air inter frames up to the 330neo now. The world has changed significantly since and this airframe has stayed relevant enough. I wonder if Airbus knew it would have ample room for improvement back when they designed it though the synergies with the 340 sure gave some possibilities for later 330 improvements.

But hey, I’m biased in my opinion! Love the 330.

Airbuster


You are not alone. I was prepared to dislike the plane the first time I was on one. BKK to Taipei. Ended up loving it and it is at the top of my list for favorite jet-liners. Full disclosure: I've not flown on anything newer.
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:41 pm

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There are a few more airlines for which the A330 didn't work. Monarch, Air Afrique, BMI British Midland and Canada 3000 went bankrupt soon after buying them, partially blaming their long haul widebodies. Virgin Australia also stopped flying them after about 5 years. American Airlines saw it as unwanted stepchild and parked them quite soon after merging with US Airways. (I think their small A332 subfleet would have been worth its weight in gold at this moment with the 787 delays). Austrian traded them against older 767s.


Well, the 330 killed WOW basically… :stirthepot:
 
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Re: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:49 pm

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Austrian traded them against older 767s.


I believe Austrian have only operated A330-200, not the 300 version.
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:10 pm

Absolutely the best looking flying thing out there.

Flew once KUL-SIN. Very smooth and quiet ride.

The recent A330-300P2F are amazing either.
 
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The 412 seat domestic A330-300.
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:14 pm

MEA-707 wrote:
There are a few more airlines for which the A330 didn't work. Monarch, Air Afrique, BMI British Midland and Canada 3000 went bankrupt soon after buying them, partially blaming their long haul widebodies. .


Monarch operated theirs from 1999 to 2015 with short-term Hadj leases
bmi operated theirs from 2001 to 2012 (operated 1 on routes fie South African fro 12 to 18 months/)

How are we defining "bankrupt soon after buying them"?
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:46 pm

WesternDC6B wrote:
ExMilitaryEng wrote:
On a totally different note, Air Inter was also the early operator of the much smaller and shorter range Dassault Mercure.


Indeed, the only operator, I believe.

Indeed the only operator of the type. Ended up buying all 10 production aircraft, and requested the prototype 02 to be modified to production standard and bought it as well; they operated 11 planes out of 10 production frames (!!!) and 11 out of the 12 aircraft produced.
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:52 pm

MEA-707 wrote:
There are a few more airlines for which the A330 didn't work. Monarch, Air Afrique, BMI British Midland and Canada 3000 went bankrupt soon after buying them, partially blaming their long haul widebodies. Virgin Australia also stopped flying them after about 5 years. American Airlines saw it as unwanted stepchild and parked them quite soon after merging with US Airways. (I think their small A332 subfleet would have been worth its weight in gold at this moment with the 787 delays). Austrian traded them against older 767s.

When AA merged with US in 2013, the 9 US A330-300s were already between 12 and 13 years old (delivered in 2000-2001). They weren't spring chickens anymore, and Airbus had already upgraded it quite a bit.
The A330-200 were better long-haul aircraft, but AA already had long-haul planes with higher capacity (777s).
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:18 pm

Air Inter had to give up their 330s when the French domestic became deregulated and Air Inter had proper competition which meant that the 330 was too big.
In order to create a bigger market for the aircraft Airbus needed ETOPS approval and to get that,
Airbus turned to experienced transatlantic operator Aer Lingus and made them an offer they couldn’t refuse.
The rest is history, even to the point where Aer Lingus bought the last 2 A330-300s ceo manufactured because they loved them so much
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:02 pm

MEA-707 wrote:
American Airlines saw it as unwanted stepchild and parked them quite soon after merging with US Airways. (I think their small A332 subfleet would have been worth its weight in gold at this moment with the 787 delays).


American parked the entire A330 fleet, including the A330-300, in March 2020.

Flew the AA A330-300 many times, my last being late February 2020.
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:17 pm

It is amazing to think we now have them regularly crossing the pacific. I think a lot of this growth potential came from the A340 engineering work in terms of how much they were able to increase the MTOW. It was definitely artificially restricted in the early days.
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:09 pm

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Indeed, the only operator, I believe.Indeed the only operator of the type. Ended up buying all 10 production aircraft, and requested the prototype 02 to be modified to production standard and bought it as well; they operated 11 planes out of 10 production frames (!!!) and 11 out of the 12 aircraft produced.


If you look at the A320 as a rewinged, reengined and modernized MK2 version of the Mercure there are a few more operators now... :bouncy:
 
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Re: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:10 pm

720B wrote:
A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

First flight operated by Air Inter in 1994, between Paris Orly and Marseille

https://airwaysmag.com/today-in-aviatio ... mraqCgiF2Q


my favorite...!
Incredible machine and somehow it looked majestic already at the time, maybe by its size compared to all other aircraft in France!
The A330 is a very versatile machine and that's why it succeeded so well all over the globe for different airlines, short-haul, long-haul, charter, and I hope the Neo continues the legacy
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:56 pm

Looking ahead, the A330NEO program seems to be slowing down since first orders were placed back in 2014. There have been 69 A330NEO delivered (4 A338s & 65 A339s), with an order backlog of 284 (11 A338s & 273 A339s). However, 106 aircraft in this backlog are intended for the effectively-bankrupt AirAsia X (78) and the politically-blocked Iran Air (28), so the backlog is really more like 178.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A3 ... us_O_D_3-4

Currently, the largest operator is TAP Air Portugal with 10 and next is Delta with 9. When all the current A330NEOs on order are delivered, Delta will be the largest single operator with 35, followed by TAP with 12. The best future prospect for add-on orders would be with Delta, who will be replacing their B767 fleet starting in 2023.
 
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Re: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:18 am

FLALEFTY wrote:
Looking ahead, the A330NEO program seems to be slowing down since first orders were placed back in 2014. There have been 69 A330NEO delivered (4 A338s & 65 A339s), with an order backlog of 284 (11 A338s & 273 A339s). However, 106 aircraft in this backlog are intended for the effectively-bankrupt AirAsia X (78) and the politically-blocked Iran Air (28), so the backlog is really more like 178.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A3 ... us_O_D_3-4

Currently, the largest operator is TAP Air Portugal with 10 and next is Delta with 9. When all the current A330NEOs on order are delivered, Delta will be the largest single operator with 35, followed by TAP with 12. The best future prospect for add-on orders would be with Delta, who will be replacing their B767 fleet starting in 2023.


What ? TAP Air Portugal has already 19 A330-900 in fleet with six more on order

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/TAP%20Air%20Portugal.htm
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:40 am

oldJoe wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
Looking ahead, the A330NEO program seems to be slowing down since first orders were placed back in 2014. There have been 69 A330NEO delivered (4 A338s & 65 A339s), with an order backlog of 284 (11 A338s & 273 A339s). However, 106 aircraft in this backlog are intended for the effectively-bankrupt AirAsia X (78) and the politically-blocked Iran Air (28), so the backlog is really more like 178.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A3 ... us_O_D_3-4

Currently, the largest operator is TAP Air Portugal with 10 and next is Delta with 9. When all the current A330NEOs on order are delivered, Delta will be the largest single operator with 35, followed by TAP with 12. The best future prospect for add-on orders would be with Delta, who will be replacing their B767 fleet starting in 2023.


What ? TAP Air Portugal has already 19 A330-900 in fleet with six more on order

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/TAP%20Air%20Portugal.htm


You are right, TAP has 19, most of which are leased. I imagine the 10 "owned" are now sale-leasebacks and the others are simply leases from available broker inventories (Avolon, ALC, etc.). Also, the Wiki data might be behind the curve a bit, too. However, the point is that TAP will eventually be the 2nd-largest A330NEO operator behind Delta.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/TAP-Air-Portugal
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:40 am

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It is amazing to think we now have them regularly crossing the pacific. I think a lot of this growth potential came from the A340 engineering work in terms of how much they were able to increase the MTOW. It was definitely artificially restricted in the early days.

Qantas is planning to operate the a330-200 on the BNE-SFO route after getting some upgrades from Airbus
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:57 am

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Virgin Australia also stopped flying them after about 5 years.


Closer to 9 years, so your estimate is a bit off. The A330 also wasn't the only type to be retired due to VA's administration, so it isn't necessarily a case of the A330 being a root cause of any issue.
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:39 am

I love the fact Aer Lingus pioneered transatlantic ops with the A330-300 in 1994, and having flown the fleet to retirement, replaced them with.....er new A330-300s!
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:32 am

910A wrote:
77west wrote:
It is amazing to think we now have them regularly crossing the pacific. I think a lot of this growth potential came from the A340 engineering work in terms of how much they were able to increase the MTOW. It was definitely artificially restricted in the early days.

Qantas is planning to operate the a330-200 on the BNE-SFO route after getting some upgrades from Airbus


Yeah Fiji has been operating their -200 and -300 across the pacific for a number of years now, and BNE is only 3 hours longer. Should work out fine, especially on the -200.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=nan-sfo%2C ... 82&SU=mach
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:17 am

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Virgin Australia also stopped flying them after about 5 years.


Closer to 9 years, so your estimate is a bit off. The A330 also wasn't the only type to be retired due to VA's administration, so it isn't necessarily a case of the A330 being a root cause of any issue.

Virgin Australia stopped flying them because the country shut down, state borders closed. Other than BNE CNS and BNE TSV, there are no intrastate routes within Australia worth serving with a 737, let alone an A330
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:42 am

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There are a few more airlines for which the A330 didn't work. Monarch, Air Afrique, BMI British Midland and Canada 3000 went bankrupt soon after buying them, partially blaming their long haul widebodies. Virgin Australia also stopped flying them after about 5 years. American Airlines saw it as unwanted stepchild and parked them quite soon after merging with US Airways. (I think their small A332 subfleet would have been worth its weight in gold at this moment with the 787 delays). Austrian traded them against older 767s.

The A330 had nothing to do with Canada3000's demise - the A330 worked extremely well for 2T and allowed them to start a massive expansion - up until 9/11, Canada3000's A330s were a blessing for the airline. Canada3000's demise was entirely caused by the airline going on a huge spending spree, buying up various other airlines followed by the aviation downturn from 9/11 - they spent all their money buying up other airlines, didn't save any for a rainy day, that rainy day came and that was that - given the fact that Michael Leblanc was running the airline - it was only a matter of time.

Love the A330, spent many hours and flights jumpseating on 2Ts 330s across the Atlantic - hated the red interiors though.
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:31 am

Big fan of the A330 here. I think it’s vastly superior to the 777 from a passenger comfort port of view and arguably better than the 787 - although it’s a fair bit less flashy.

The evolution of the A330 from medium haul people mover to long haul is remarkable and even in CEO guise it can compete with aircraft 20 years its junior.

Whatever Airbus was smoking in the late 80s was some good stuff. Imagine what walking onto an A320 or A300 would have been like compared to a Mercure, DC-9 or 732, a TriStar or DC-10?
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:56 am

Airbus still list 12 orders for the A330-300. Eight are for CASC and four undisclosed.

Might the undisclosed be part of the sometime Iran Air order?

And what's with the CASC order? Obviously, the plane is no longer in production.
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:01 am

Considering that it is the second most succesful widebody plane ever built the A330 is one of the most underestimated planes ever.
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:22 am

I do wonder if Airbus had pushed its abilities earlier if it could have given the 777-200ER a run for its money on some routes. Picture a 250-280t MTOW with the A340 center gear and something like the Trent 800. Of course they could have gone down this route with the A330-900 but this would cannibalize A350-900 sales so probably will never happen.
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:44 am

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I do wonder if Airbus had pushed its abilities earlier if it could have given the 777-200ER a run for its money on some routes.


Well how many A330's are there in passenger service and how many 777-200ER's. Exactly.
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:49 am

77west wrote:
910A wrote:
77west wrote:
It is amazing to think we now have them regularly crossing the pacific. I think a lot of this growth potential came from the A340 engineering work in terms of how much they were able to increase the MTOW. It was definitely artificially restricted in the early days.

Qantas is planning to operate the a330-200 on the BNE-SFO route after getting some upgrades from Airbus


Yeah Fiji has been operating their -200 and -300 across the pacific for a number of years now, and BNE is only 3 hours longer. Should work out fine, especially on the -200.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=nan-sfo%2C ... 82&SU=mach


LAX/SFO-NAN is around 11hrs compared to SFO/LAX-BNE at 15hrs, that’s a huge difference, QF won’t be carrying any freight, while FJ could comfortably run the A333 and carry some freight.
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:27 am

77west wrote:
I do wonder if Airbus had pushed its abilities earlier if it could have given the 777-200ER a run for its money on some routes. Picture a 250-280t MTOW with the A340 center gear and something like the Trent 800. Of course they could have gone down this route with the A330-900 but this would cannibalize A350-900 sales so probably will never happen.

It is ironic that the A330 has to play second fiddle to the A340 in its early years and the A350 these days - this probably resulted in it not being able to sell as well as its true potential. In any case, I suspect the A330Neo will still be in production for quite a number of years to come. It is a low risk line for Airbus and there are still many replacement orders to be made by airlines. It is amazing that it has achieved such a long production run and now, it has passed the baton to the A330-900.
 
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There are a few more airlines for which the A330 didn't work. Monarch, Air Afrique, BMI British Midland and Canada 3000 went bankrupt soon after buying them, partially blaming their long haul widebodies. Virgin Australia also stopped flying them after about 5 years. American Airlines saw it as unwanted stepchild and parked them quite soon after merging with US Airways. (I think their small A332 subfleet would have been worth its weight in gold at this moment with the 787 delays). Austrian traded them against older 767s.


Well, the 330 killed WOW basically… :stirthepot:


I would say WoW killed WoW. They were expanding at to fast a pace. You could talk about any frame they were flying as the reason they went under.
 
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flee wrote:
77west wrote:
I do wonder if Airbus had pushed its abilities earlier if it could have given the 777-200ER a run for its money on some routes. Picture a 250-280t MTOW with the A340 center gear and something like the Trent 800. Of course they could have gone down this route with the A330-900 but this would cannibalize A350-900 sales so probably will never happen.

It is ironic that the A330 has to play second fiddle to the A340 in its early years and the A350 these days - this probably resulted in it not being able to sell as well as its true potential. In any case, I suspect the A330Neo will still be in production for quite a number of years to come. It is a low risk line for Airbus and there are still many replacement orders to be made by airlines. It is amazing that it has achieved such a long production run and now, it has passed the baton to the A330-900.


As the A330 is the second best selling two engined wide body, I do not see a lot of problems with the sales history of the A330. And in regards to the A340-200/300 being a A330 with other engines or vice versa, one should count at least the A340-200/300 with the sales numbers of the A330.

The current situation is, that no wide body is selling well, apart from freighters.The A330neo came out right at the time when wide bodies got hit by the order drought.
The 787 for comparison lives of an old backlog, with sales not matching production since 2014 and 2020 selling 20 net and 2021 loosing 11 net orders.
The A330neo comes in with - 6 in 2020 and + 22 in 2021. The A330 family - 14 in 2020 and + 30 in 2021, hardly worse.
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:17 am

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There are a few more airlines for which the A330 didn't work. Monarch, Air Afrique, BMI British Midland and Canada 3000 went bankrupt soon after buying them, partially blaming their long haul widebodies.


Add LTU to the list; the Y387 seat A333 was perfect for the Mediterranean - but not for long-haul! Capacity was due to weight issues restricted.
I remember flying the FIRST LTU A330 on a sight-seeing flight; I was luckily booked on the 2nd round. The first had such bad weather, most passengers past out sick... Highlight was most definitely the low fly-by followed by a go-around! :cloudnine:
 
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C-FBUS. First A 330-300 in North Ameirca. Skyservice Airlines. Remember walking on board to operate my first Trans Atlantic. No center overhead bins. With 310 in Y my thoughts were what a fight this is going to be for over head bin space. LTU originally ordered the 330s as L1011 replacements and wanted a similar interior look and feel. Side wall bins were nowhere near the same size as the L1011.
50 J seats up front was a nice cabin with a nice service.
When I recall working an all economy 401 Y flight to VRA on a turn it put me off that aircraft for a while. Us cabin crew were exhausted from just one way!!
Would be leased back to Air Tours for the winter months and always come back in a complete mess. Would take us the entire summer season to get it back to Skyservice standards only to be leased back and let the process start all over again.
 
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I love the A330; never once had a bad flight on one. IMO it's the most underrated (at least as far as this site is concerned) widebody on sale today. 2-4-2 is perfect for economy and the plane's looks remind you of the beautiful A340.


skipness1E wrote:
I love the fact Aer Lingus pioneered transatlantic ops with the A330-300 in 1994, and having flown the fleet to retirement, replaced them with.....er new A330-300s!


Malaysia Airlines did the same around 2010 ish. Late model A330-300s are a very capable and efficient airplane.
 
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Re: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:16 pm

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Airbus still list 12 orders for the A330-300. Eight are for CASC and four undisclosed.

Might the undisclosed be part of the sometime Iran Air order?

And what's with the CASC order? Obviously, the plane is no longer in production.

The four undisclosed were booked in 2021 and is someone taking over Hong Kong Airlines (or another HNA group airline) ntus that were built and stored since ~2018.
 
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Re: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:53 pm

Polot wrote:
PM wrote:
Airbus still list 12 orders for the A330-300. Eight are for CASC and four undisclosed.

Might the undisclosed be part of the sometime Iran Air order?

And what's with the CASC order? Obviously, the plane is no longer in production.

The four undisclosed were booked in 2021 and is someone taking over Hong Kong Airlines (or another HNA group airline) ntus that were built and stored since ~2018.

These would be MSNs 1863, 1865, 1874, 1902.

There was speculation at the time that these were going to Vietjet but they are taking older frames: MSNs 952, 974, 1165. Moreover, the Vietjet A330s are leased.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/vie ... 78.article

I'd love to know who just bought four barely-used A330-300s.
 
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Re: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:57 pm

PM wrote:
Polot wrote:
PM wrote:
Airbus still list 12 orders for the A330-300. Eight are for CASC and four undisclosed.

Might the undisclosed be part of the sometime Iran Air order?

And what's with the CASC order? Obviously, the plane is no longer in production.

The four undisclosed were booked in 2021 and is someone taking over Hong Kong Airlines (or another HNA group airline) ntus that were built and stored since ~2018.

These would be MSNs 1863, 1865, 1874, 1902.

There was speculation at the time that these were going to Vietjet but they are taking older frames: MSNs 952, 974, 1165. Moreover, the Vietjet A330s are leased.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/vie ... 78.article

I'd love to know who just bought four barely-used A330-300s.

Yes there is also a 5th A330 ntu from the same group that is going to a private customer but I don’t remember it’s MSN and if it has been confirmed which MSN is going to them.
 
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Re: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:59 pm

MEA-707 wrote:
There are a few more airlines for which the A330 didn't work. Monarch, Air Afrique, BMI British Midland and Canada 3000 went bankrupt soon after buying them, partially blaming their long haul widebodies. Virgin Australia also stopped flying them after about 5 years. American Airlines saw it as unwanted stepchild and parked them quite soon after merging with US Airways. (I think their small A332 subfleet would have been worth its weight in gold at this moment with the 787 delays). Austrian traded them against older 767s.


LATAM also disposed of their A330s that TAM had and switched their flying over to 767s.
 
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Re: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:07 pm

Only on Anet is the topic to celebrate the longevity of a successful plane turned into a discussion of which airlines were not successful with their A330s.
 
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Re: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:16 pm

A330CEO isn't exactly a favourite among the Nepali aviation community due to them being almost the only wide body to fly here but it's undoubtedly a great aircraft
 
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Re: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:37 pm

debonair wrote:
MEA-707 wrote:
There are a few more airlines for which the A330 didn't work. Monarch, Air Afrique, BMI British Midland and Canada 3000 went bankrupt soon after buying them, partially blaming their long haul widebodies.


Add LTU to the list; the Y387 seat A333 was perfect for the Mediterranean - but not for long-haul! Capacity was due to weight issues restricted.
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Not correct, So happy with the economics of the A333, LTU decided that it could operate most of its remaining long haul programme and disposed of the MD11. They operated regularly to Florida and Domincan Republic non stop!

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