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Boeing757100 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbYszLNZxhM
My apologies if this was ever brought up, but I could not find a thread about it.
A kid in my aerospace class showed this video, published late last year showing Trevor Jacob (ex olympian) parachuting out of his plane when it had an "engine failure."
Until i looked into the case more, this guy is under investigation from the FAA.
https://www.independent.com/2022/01/04/ ... n-purpose/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/youtu ... FTTFMHAEA/
Now it's starting to look intentional. Why didn't he.....
- Attempt to land instead of abandoning ship (when sources said there was some ground which he could have glided to)
- Attempt to restart the engine
- Call for help on his radio
And why parachute out of such a small cockpit too? I also heard he did not wear parachutes in his previous flights in small planes yet he went preaching to viewers "Always wear your parachute when you fly."
Thickening the plot, he then had a helicopter move the wreckage away from the initial site to "an unknown location"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23kOieM5ce0
I've also heard that the plane had not had maintenance done on it in a while and not by an FAA certified technician. Another noteworthy detail is the previous owner of the plane was one Laura Smith of California until Jan. 3, which is when the plane was shown to be "owned by Trevor Jacob."
So what do you think will happen? Will he be detained? Sure hope more youtubers do not get stupid ideas like this in their heads..
Trevor Jacobs's YouTube Video wrote:I crashed my plane
SwissCanuck wrote:Didn't we have a thread about this?
Noshow wrote:Bad taste in many ways and bad acting. It's not okay to let airplanes crash in the wilderness. I hope he has to clean up the mess he left.
GlobalAirways wrote:He's attention seeking, although he will never admit to it. The wildfire he could have started could have bankrupted his A$$ and he knew it. Also, he turned off comments on his YouTube page so he probably had or anticipated people would see through his $hit and call him out! He's a horrible actor too!
cpd wrote:GlobalAirways wrote:He's attention seeking, although he will never admit to it. The wildfire he could have started could have bankrupted his A$$ and he knew it. Also, he turned off comments on his YouTube page so he probably had or anticipated people would see through his $hit and call him out! He's a horrible actor too!
Have to agree, setup and staged to get clicks and views. Social media makes people do dumb things.
“You demonstrated a lack of care, judgment and responsibility by choosing to jump out of an aircraft solely so you could record the footage of the crash,” the agency said. “Your egregious and intentional actions on these dates indicate that you presently lack the degree of care, judgment and responsibility required of a certificate holder.”
argentinevol98 wrote:Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere but I felt an update was worthwhile. The FAA now has concluded that the crash was intentional and in response revoked Trevor Jacob’s pilot’s license.
Part of the FAA’s language in a letter to Jacob (as quoted in the NYT):“You demonstrated a lack of care, judgment and responsibility by choosing to jump out of an aircraft solely so you could record the footage of the crash,” the agency said. “Your egregious and intentional actions on these dates indicate that you presently lack the degree of care, judgment and responsibility required of a certificate holder.”
Link to NYT article: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/20/us/t ... crash.html
Boeing757100 wrote:argentinevol98 wrote:Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere but I felt an update was worthwhile. The FAA now has concluded that the crash was intentional and in response revoked Trevor Jacob’s pilot’s license.
Part of the FAA’s language in a letter to Jacob (as quoted in the NYT):“You demonstrated a lack of care, judgment and responsibility by choosing to jump out of an aircraft solely so you could record the footage of the crash,” the agency said. “Your egregious and intentional actions on these dates indicate that you presently lack the degree of care, judgment and responsibility required of a certificate holder.”
Link to NYT article: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/20/us/t ... crash.html
Of course, he does a reaction to it...
DONT CLICK THIS IF YOU DONT WANT TO WATCH IT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSETYutbcbI&t=50s
This man is awful. Not once does he admit responsibility for his actions and downplays the FAA! Sure hope he won't be able to re-apply for a PPL for a long time at least.
cpd wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:argentinevol98 wrote:Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere but I felt an update was worthwhile. The FAA now has concluded that the crash was intentional and in response revoked Trevor Jacob’s pilot’s license.
Part of the FAA’s language in a letter to Jacob (as quoted in the NYT):
Link to NYT article: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/20/us/t ... crash.html
Of course, he does a reaction to it...
DONT CLICK THIS IF YOU DONT WANT TO WATCH IT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSETYutbcbI&t=50s
This man is awful. Not once does he admit responsibility for his actions and downplays the FAA! Sure hope he won't be able to re-apply for a PPL for a long time at least.
Should this kind of behaviour attract even harsher penalties?
This was obviously very deliberate. I cannot see others doing similar.
argentinevol98 wrote:
I don’t know the California criminal code well enough to know exactly what he could he charged with but he greatly increased his chances of serious criminal charges. If I’m a prosecutor seeing this, I’m seeing someone do a incredibly reckless stunt for profit and using the ensuing publicity for even more profit. In a day and age where anyone can upload videos to try to garner fame I would be gravely concerned over similar incidents (not even necessarily using aircraft).
Coming down hard (e.g. prison time) would be clearly tempting as a serious deterrent.
argentinevol98 wrote:cpd wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:
Of course, he does a reaction to it...
DONT CLICK THIS IF YOU DONT WANT TO WATCH IT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSETYutbcbI&t=50s
This man is awful. Not once does he admit responsibility for his actions and downplays the FAA! Sure hope he won't be able to re-apply for a PPL for a long time at least.
Should this kind of behaviour attract even harsher penalties?
This was obviously very deliberate. I cannot see others doing similar.
He must either have very poor attorneys or disregards their professional advice. I can not for the life of me seeing his attorneys in any way recommending he make such a stupid reaction video. He shows 0 remorse, mocks any and all criticism, and is clearly openly trying to profit off of the whole thing with his t-shirt sales and whatnot.
I don’t know the California criminal code well enough to know exactly what he could he charged with but he greatly increased his chances of serious criminal charges. If I’m a prosecutor seeing this, I’m seeing someone do a incredibly reckless stunt for profit and using the ensuing publicity for even more profit. In a day and age where anyone can upload videos to try to garner fame I would be gravely concerned over similar incidents (not even necessarily using aircraft).
Coming down hard (e.g. prison time) would be clearly tempting as a serious deterrent.
cpd wrote:Should this kind of behaviour attract even harsher penalties?
This was obviously very deliberate. I cannot see others doing similar.
zeke wrote:Red Bull have just crashed an aircraft for another stunt for which the FAA had already said no to
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/277638
WayexTDI wrote:argentinevol98 wrote:cpd wrote:
Should this kind of behaviour attract even harsher penalties?
This was obviously very deliberate. I cannot see others doing similar.
He must either have very poor attorneys or disregards their professional advice. I can not for the life of me seeing his attorneys in any way recommending he make such a stupid reaction video. He shows 0 remorse, mocks any and all criticism, and is clearly openly trying to profit off of the whole thing with his t-shirt sales and whatnot.
I don’t know the California criminal code well enough to know exactly what he could he charged with but he greatly increased his chances of serious criminal charges. If I’m a prosecutor seeing this, I’m seeing someone do a incredibly reckless stunt for profit and using the ensuing publicity for even more profit. In a day and age where anyone can upload videos to try to garner fame I would be gravely concerned over similar incidents (not even necessarily using aircraft).
Coming down hard (e.g. prison time) would be clearly tempting as a serious deterrent.
He didn't kill anytime, so I'm not sure prison time would serve anything good to the society.
However, make him pay for cleaning-up his stupid stunt (and then some) and thousands of hours of community services would teach him a lesson and benefit society as a whole.
zeke wrote:Red Bull have just crashed an aircraft for another stunt for which the FAA had already said no to
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/277638
Boeing757100 wrote:I disagree, I think prison terms don't seem unreasonable. What they SHOULD do is make him unable to re-apply for a PPL.
zeke wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:I disagree, I think prison terms don't seem unreasonable. What they SHOULD do is make him unable to re-apply for a PPL.
I would let him reapply for his PPL, he meets the technical requirements, let him go through the process, get his hopes up, and then deny his medical on not being a fit and proper person.
Boeing757100 wrote:WayexTDI wrote:argentinevol98 wrote:
He must either have very poor attorneys or disregards their professional advice. I can not for the life of me seeing his attorneys in any way recommending he make such a stupid reaction video. He shows 0 remorse, mocks any and all criticism, and is clearly openly trying to profit off of the whole thing with his t-shirt sales and whatnot.
I don’t know the California criminal code well enough to know exactly what he could he charged with but he greatly increased his chances of serious criminal charges. If I’m a prosecutor seeing this, I’m seeing someone do a incredibly reckless stunt for profit and using the ensuing publicity for even more profit. In a day and age where anyone can upload videos to try to garner fame I would be gravely concerned over similar incidents (not even necessarily using aircraft).
Coming down hard (e.g. prison time) would be clearly tempting as a serious deterrent.
He didn't kill anytime, so I'm not sure prison time would serve anything good to the society.
However, make him pay for cleaning-up his stupid stunt (and then some) and thousands of hours of community services would teach him a lesson and benefit society as a whole.
I disagree, I think prison terms don't seem unreasonable. What they SHOULD do is make him unable to re-apply for a PPL.
WayexTDI wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:WayexTDI wrote:He didn't kill anytime, so I'm not sure prison time would serve anything good to the society.
However, make him pay for cleaning-up his stupid stunt (and then some) and thousands of hours of community services would teach him a lesson and benefit society as a whole.
I disagree, I think prison terms don't seem unreasonable. What they SHOULD do is make him unable to re-apply for a PPL.
I personally disagree: prison sentences cost the community tons of money, do not bring anything back to the community and things like that stunt did not hurt anyone.
Make him work community service will cost much less and will bring much more to the community.
And yes, barred for life from having a pilot's license.
WayexTDI wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:WayexTDI wrote:He didn't kill anytime, so I'm not sure prison time would serve anything good to the society.
However, make him pay for cleaning-up his stupid stunt (and then some) and thousands of hours of community services would teach him a lesson and benefit society as a whole.
I disagree, I think prison terms don't seem unreasonable. What they SHOULD do is make him unable to re-apply for a PPL.
I personally disagree: prison sentences cost the community tons of money, do not bring anything back to the community and things like that stunt did not hurt anyone.
Make him work community service will cost much less and will bring much more to the community.
And yes, barred for life from having a pilot's license.
FluidFlow wrote:argentinevol98 wrote:
I don’t know the California criminal code well enough to know exactly what he could he charged with but he greatly increased his chances of serious criminal charges. If I’m a prosecutor seeing this, I’m seeing someone do a incredibly reckless stunt for profit and using the ensuing publicity for even more profit. In a day and age where anyone can upload videos to try to garner fame I would be gravely concerned over similar incidents (not even necessarily using aircraft).
Coming down hard (e.g. prison time) would be clearly tempting as a serious deterrent.
I have no clue about the law in california but wouldn't deliverately dumping trash into nature be an offense? Someone will have to clean up the crash site and he should have to pay for that and as it was intentional some fine should be issued at least if not even more because it is not just a beer can but actually a pretty serious pollution of the environment.
Boeing757100 wrote:I would let him Ed an exuded visa process reapply for his PPL, he meets the technical requirements, let him go through the process, get his hopes up, and then deny his medical on not being a fit and proper person.
FGITD wrote:Hard to compare the two. The YouTuber intentionally bailed with no plan to recover the aircraft. He was out to create a plane crash video.
Not having the FAA’s OK is a problem in itself, but the Red Bull stunt didn’t set out to crash any aircraft. Two planes set off with two pilots, the stunt being that the pilots swap aircraft. One of them succeeded, the other didn’t and landed by parachute while the aircraft crashed.
zeke wrote:FGITD wrote:Hard to compare the two. The YouTuber intentionally bailed with no plan to recover the aircraft. He was out to create a plane crash video.
Not having the FAA’s OK is a problem in itself, but the Red Bull stunt didn’t set out to crash any aircraft. Two planes set off with two pilots, the stunt being that the pilots swap aircraft. One of them succeeded, the other didn’t and landed by parachute while the aircraft crashed.
The aircraft were fitted with a large extended drag brake from aircraft with an autopilot setup that the aircraft would remain in a vertical dive. Without a pilot onboard they would crash and be destroyed. The aircraft did have a tail chute installed that could be remotely activated however the impact would still destroy the aircraft.
The red bull event was setup for live streaming, with the pilots and aircraft covered in cameras.
The similarities with the was the pilots and aircraft were covered in cameras for steaming and pilots intentionally taking off with parachutes with the intention to jump out in flight is a stark similarity.
CarlosSi wrote:zeke wrote:FGITD wrote:Hard to compare the two. The YouTuber intentionally bailed with no plan to recover the aircraft. He was out to create a plane crash video.
Not having the FAA’s OK is a problem in itself, but the Red Bull stunt didn’t set out to crash any aircraft. Two planes set off with two pilots, the stunt being that the pilots swap aircraft. One of them succeeded, the other didn’t and landed by parachute while the aircraft crashed.
The aircraft were fitted with a large extended drag brake from aircraft with an autopilot setup that the aircraft would remain in a vertical dive. Without a pilot onboard they would crash and be destroyed. The aircraft did have a tail chute installed that could be remotely activated however the impact would still destroy the aircraft.
The red bull event was setup for live streaming, with the pilots and aircraft covered in cameras.
The similarities with the was the pilots and aircraft were covered in cameras for steaming and pilots intentionally taking off with parachutes with the intention to jump out in flight is a stark similarity.
Indeed. It was a very controlled situation. Obviously it would crash into the (presumably) unpopulated area below, posing no real threat to any civilians, whereas Jacob's plane hypothetically could've flown a while before losing fuel over somewhere other than a sparsely populated area...
Boeing757100 wrote:WayexTDI wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:
I disagree, I think prison terms don't seem unreasonable. What they SHOULD do is make him unable to re-apply for a PPL.
I personally disagree: prison sentences cost the community tons of money, do not bring anything back to the community and things like that stunt did not hurt anyone.
Make him work community service will cost much less and will bring much more to the community.
And yes, barred for life from having a pilot's license.
Ok, agreed on the money part, but what if the uncontrolled plane crashed in a more urbanized area or like a school or something? Forget that, imagine if the impact of the plane actually caused a fire and not only destroyed natural parks, but imagine if there was civilization there and injuries/deaths were caused.