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PAE Commercial Flights Temporarily Suspended due to Fog and 5G

Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:22 am

 
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Re: PAE closed due to FOG and 5G

Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:41 pm

Far fetched but could this have AS shifting capacity to PAE sooner than scheduled
 
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Re: PAE closed due to FOG and 5G

Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:47 pm

PAE is not closed, only E175 flights are being canceled. This results in all commercial flights being canceled since the only scheduled flights are on E175s.
 
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Re: PAE closed due to FOG and 5G

Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:26 pm

Seems 5G is placing a financial burden on airlines. When AS scheduled these flights, 5G wasn’t an issue. Now AS has to cancel flights for something that is basically out of their hands. Who in their right mind would continue booking out of PAE knowing that your flight may be canceled because of this mess?
 
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Re: PAE closed due to FOG and 5G

Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:51 pm

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Far fetched but could this have AS shifting capacity to PAE sooner than scheduled


Interesting question since their 737s are ok'd to operate in 5G areas. Longer term, isn't it just a matter of time before the E175s get the ok? Will the fact that some are Horizon and some are Skywest make a timing difference?
 
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Re: PAE closed due to FOG and 5G

Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:02 pm

cschleic wrote:
DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Far fetched but could this have AS shifting capacity to PAE sooner than scheduled


Interesting question since their 737s are ok'd to operate in 5G areas. Longer term, isn't it just a matter of time before the E175s get the ok? Will the fact that some are Horizon and some are Skywest make a timing difference?

There are probably still some limitations, which are not fully published; and there is no guarantee some instruments don't have real problems (I would say real problems do exist for sure). So, it may be more complicated than just a matter of time.
Someone mentioned current permissive documents expire at the end of January, so things are pretty fluid.
 
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Re: PAE Commercial Flights Temporarily Suspended due to Fog and 5G

Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:35 am

The forecast shows the fog to be moving out starting tomorrow (Wednesday) afternoon...hopefully.
 
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Re: PAE closed due to FOG and 5G

Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:51 am

Revelation wrote:
PAE is not closed, only E175 flights are being canceled. This results in all commercial flights being canceled since the only scheduled flights are on E175s.

FX also has a daily 757, I have not checked to see if that was also cancelled. To be fair, it's barely operated in the past two weeks because of crewing problems.
 
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Re: PAE Commercial Flights Temporarily Suspended due to Fog and 5G

Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:48 pm

I'm confused about the buffer list, which includes Paine Field:

https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files ... Buffer.pdf

I thought the buffer airports were locations where the FAA had received agreement from Verizon and AT&T to delay turning on band C 5G antennas for 6 months for a certain radius around the airports.

wedgetail737 wrote:
The forecast shows the fog to be moving out starting tomorrow (Wednesday) afternoon...hopefully.


The forecasts have not been handling the current inversion very well, at least at my elevation.

Sunday was the one I paid the closest attention to - even as late as noon, it still called for partly sunny and a high of 47. It remained completely fogged over for the full day, with a high of only 37. The following days have been similar.

It's been consistently expected in the 1-2 day forecasts for the fog to start burning off by mid-day, but the foggy conditions seem to keep hanging on. Even when the wind picked up for a bit last night, it didn't blow the fog away like it usually does.

At least right now, for once, I finally see some sunlight breaking through the fog, for the first time in 4 days, but just 2 hours before sunset, when the fog is forecast to return.

In short, visibility has been very persistently terrible this week, and looks like it won't get persistently better until the weekend.
 
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Re: PAE Commercial Flights Temporarily Suspended due to Fog and 5G

Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:53 pm

iamlucky13 wrote:
I'm confused about the buffer list, which includes Paine Field:

https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files ... Buffer.pdf

I thought the buffer airports were locations where the FAA had received agreement from Verizon and AT&T to delay turning on band C 5G antennas for 6 months for a certain radius around the airports.

wedgetail737 wrote:
The forecast shows the fog to be moving out starting tomorrow (Wednesday) afternoon...hopefully.


The forecasts have not been handling the current inversion very well, at least at my elevation.

Sunday was the one I paid the closest attention to - even as late as noon, it still called for partly sunny and a high of 47. It remained completely fogged over for the full day, with a high of only 37. The following days have been similar.

It's been consistently expected in the 1-2 day forecasts for the fog to start burning off by mid-day, but the foggy conditions seem to keep hanging on. Even when the wind picked up for a bit last night, it didn't blow the fog away like it usually does.

At least right now, for once, I finally see some sunlight breaking through the fog, for the first time in 4 days, but just 2 hours before sunset, when the fog is forecast to return.

In short, visibility has been very persistently terrible this week, and looks like it won't get persistently better until the weekend.


The buffer zone alone isn’t enough to allow operations that are restricted by the airworthiness directive. The airplane and radio altimeter part number must also be approved to fly without restrictions. Not all radio altimeters were approved to fly at all the buffer zone airports

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