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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:26 pm

Obzerva wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Etihad brings back daily Sydney & Melbourne flights, whilst QR to operate daily flights to Brisbane from 1 March.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights

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Interesting split schedule for EY on this one.

Essentially there is a daily mid afternoon flight (4 MEL, 3 SYD), and a daily evening flight (3 MEL, 4 SYD), they're just split between the two.
The domestic connecting flight between MEL and SYD does add time, but it's a novel approach as opposed to just an evening flight like I think QR & EK are doing.


I'm guessing they are trying to feed different departure banks out of AUH without committing to many resources
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sun Feb 06, 2022 5:42 am

An announcement is expected tomorrow about the re-opening of the borders to tourists, possibly in a few week's time.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nati ... ost=p53bds
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:01 pm

Qantas to start flying Sydney to Broken Hill twice weekly (M,F) from 8 April. Standing by for rant from Rex..
https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... back-town/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:08 pm

VHVXB wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Etihad brings back daily Sydney & Melbourne flights, whilst QR to operate daily flights to Brisbane from 1 March.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights

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Interesting split schedule for EY on this one.

Essentially there is a daily mid afternoon flight (4 MEL, 3 SYD), and a daily evening flight (3 MEL, 4 SYD), they're just split between the two.
The domestic connecting flight between MEL and SYD does add time, but it's a novel approach as opposed to just an evening flight like I think QR & EK are doing.


I'm guessing they are trying to feed different departure banks out of AUH without committing to many resources


Agree, I also think they're possibly doing it as a way of communicating they're wanting to get back to double daily from both MEL and SYD when the demand allows by occupying both an afternoon and an evening slot.
Still quite a while away yet though.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sun Feb 06, 2022 11:24 pm

rushed wrote:
Qantas to start flying Sydney to Broken Hill twice weekly (M,F) from 8 April. Standing by for rant from Rex..
https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... back-town/


Just saw this on QF web site. You just took the words out of my mouth! Yes Rex will be calling this predatory too I suppose? Watch Rex miraculously drop their fare price to BHQ.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 12:38 am

qf2048 wrote:
rushed wrote:
Qantas to start flying Sydney to Broken Hill twice weekly (M,F) from 8 April. Standing by for rant from Rex..
https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... back-town/


Just saw this on QF web site. You just took the words out of my mouth! Yes Rex will be calling this predatory too I suppose? Watch Rex miraculously drop their fare price to BHQ.


Sharp will be complaining shortly - that is the standard response to competition on any regional route.
That said, QF flights are only twice weekly, so unlikely to require Rex to drop fares to any great extent initially. But do get ready for for the whinging and whining.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:14 am

Interesting announcement from REX and NSW Government today too:

Announced this morning, our $250 million Jobs Plus program will next support Rex Airlines to expand its operations in NSW, driving 2,500 jobs and securing Sydney as the firm’s national hub in the process.
Part of the NSW Government’s COVID-19 recovery response plans, the support is set to deliver a Boeing Flight Simulator Centre and new aircraft hangar in Sydney, and boost the capacity of its call centre in Orange through new regional jobs.

https://www.investment.nsw.gov.au/resou ... t-for-nsw/

I agree- hopefully REX use this an opportunity to focus on what they are doing to support Australia's recovery, and don't launch a tirade against QF. A good opportunity for some PR and media attention -build the brand!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:42 am

melpax wrote:
An announcement is expected tomorrow about the re-opening of the borders to tourists, possibly in a few week's time.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nati ... ost=p53bds


Fully vaccinated travellers will be allowed from 21 Feb 22, so in 2 weeks time

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... c7869cc216
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:58 am

qf789 wrote:
melpax wrote:
An announcement is expected tomorrow about the re-opening of the borders to tourists, possibly in a few week's time.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nati ... ost=p53bds


Fully vaccinated travellers will be allowed from 21 Feb 22, so in 2 weeks time

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... c7869cc216


A very interesting development. It raised a few questions in my mind?
1) Do you reckon airlines, including foriegn ones, will make any sudden changes?
2) If so, how quickly can an airline resume a route if they saw a business case for it..probably a "how long is a piece of string question"
3) Do you think airlines are aware of these decisions prior to the public?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:00 am

Kudos and congratulations to Australia !
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:02 am

qf789 wrote:
Fully vaccinated travellers will be allowed from 21 Feb 22, so in 2 weeks time

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... c7869cc216


Some good news for a change.

Will be interesting to see what the makeup of inbound tourists will be going forward. Still difficult for the Chinese to leave China, and for various reasons, they won't be back in the numbers they were pre-COVID. Those from HK & Japan still must quarantine on arrival back home, but Japan is 'only' 3 days at a hotel & a further 4 at home, so not as onerous as HK....
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:05 am

melpax wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Fully vaccinated travellers will be allowed from 21 Feb 22, so in 2 weeks time

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... c7869cc216


Some good news for a change.

Will be interesting to see what the makeup of inbound tourists will be going forward. Still difficult for the Chinese to leave China, and for various reasons, they won't be back in the numbers they were pre-COVID. Those from HK & Japan still must quarantine on arrival back home, but Japan is 'only' 3 days at a hotel & a further 4 at home, so not as onerous as HK....


Japan is going through their own Omicron wave right now so it will be interesting to see how long the quarantine requirement lasts.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:09 am

gpasternak wrote:
qf789 wrote:
melpax wrote:
An announcement is expected tomorrow about the re-opening of the borders to tourists, possibly in a few week's time.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nati ... ost=p53bds


Fully vaccinated travellers will be allowed from 21 Feb 22, so in 2 weeks time

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... c7869cc216


A very interesting development. It raised a few questions in my mind?
1) Do you reckon airlines, including foriegn ones, will make any sudden changes?
2) If so, how quickly can an airline resume a route if they saw a business case for it..probably a "how long is a piece of string question"
3) Do you think airlines are aware of these decisions prior to the public?


I think airlines may not make drastic changes but it might entice a few to increase.
Given that the gov has been foreshadowing "before easter" for a little while now, some probably started making decisions around that, eg EY's recent one to go daily in to MEL & SYD from April.
SQ may upguage here and there if there's the demand, given they're not currently competing with CX for connecting traffic.
I think TG already said they were coming back to MEL in April (from memory).

So I don't think it'll be drastic changes but there will be previously locked increases becoming much more obvious over the next 2 months.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:10 am

gpasternak wrote:
A very interesting development. It raised a few questions in my mind?
1) Do you reckon airlines, including foriegn ones, will make any sudden changes?
2) If so, how quickly can an airline resume a route if they saw a business case for it..probably a "how long is a piece of string question"
3) Do you think airlines are aware of these decisions prior to the public?


It's been flagged in the press over the last few days after the PM spoke about it last week, but the final decision was only taken this morning. The 2-week 'notice period' is probably to allow the airlines, hotels & attraction operators to start scaling up operations more than anything. A lot of operators that mainly cater to international tourists have been basically in hibernation/caretaker mode for the last couple of years & will have to start re-employing staff & getting things ready in preparation. Even this morning, the media were discussing the possibility that the reopening might be restricted to 'bubble countries', but we've reopened to all, as long as you're vaxxed.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:34 am

melpax wrote:
gpasternak wrote:
A very interesting development. It raised a few questions in my mind?
1) Do you reckon airlines, including foriegn ones, will make any sudden changes?
2) If so, how quickly can an airline resume a route if they saw a business case for it..probably a "how long is a piece of string question"
3) Do you think airlines are aware of these decisions prior to the public?


It's been flagged in the press over the last few days after the PM spoke about it last week, but the final decision was only taken this morning. The 2-week 'notice period' is probably to allow the airlines, hotels & attraction operators to start scaling up operations more than anything. A lot of operators that mainly cater to international tourists have been basically in hibernation/caretaker mode for the last couple of years & will have to start re-employing staff & getting things ready in preparation. Even this morning, the media were discussing the possibility that the reopening might be restricted to 'bubble countries', but we've reopened to all, as long as you're vaxxed.

Realistically, the initial recovery will be tentative. China and NZ remain excluded due to their own rules. I assume we might see some uptick in those flying in from Europe and US by around Easter but we then go into northern summer which is typically quieter for AU anyway.

It will require some deft selling from Tourism Australia and good pricing from airlines and resorts if there is any hope of anything approaching a rapid bounce-back.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:04 am

gpasternak wrote:
qf789 wrote:
melpax wrote:
An announcement is expected tomorrow about the re-opening of the borders to tourists, possibly in a few week's time.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nati ... ost=p53bds


Fully vaccinated travellers will be allowed from 21 Feb 22, so in 2 weeks time

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... c7869cc216


A very interesting development. It raised a few questions in my mind?
1) Do you reckon airlines, including foriegn ones, will make any sudden changes?
2) If so, how quickly can an airline resume a route if they saw a business case for it..probably a "how long is a piece of string question"
3) Do you think airlines are aware of these decisions prior to the public?


Big challenge in the larger ports is staff - ground handlers are struggling to recruit staff for current operations both front of house and ramp, yet alone any increase. These roles are low income, and no even less desirable due to perceived insecurity. Could be tricky to ramp up for carriers that haven’t been in a port for two years. From recruitment, notice periods, training etc to out in the operation can take 6-12weeks.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:03 am

Obzerva wrote:
gpasternak wrote:
qf789 wrote:

Fully vaccinated travellers will be allowed from 21 Feb 22, so in 2 weeks time

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... c7869cc216


A very interesting development. It raised a few questions in my mind?
1) Do you reckon airlines, including foriegn ones, will make any sudden changes?
2) If so, how quickly can an airline resume a route if they saw a business case for it..probably a "how long is a piece of string question"
3) Do you think airlines are aware of these decisions prior to the public?


I think airlines may not make drastic changes but it might entice a few to increase.
Given that the gov has been foreshadowing "before easter" for a little while now, some probably started making decisions around that, eg EY's recent one to go daily in to MEL & SYD from April.
SQ may upguage here and there if there's the demand, given they're not currently competing with CX for connecting traffic.
I think TG already said they were coming back to MEL in April (from memory).

So I don't think it'll be drastic changes but there will be previously locked increases becoming much more obvious over the next 2 months.


TG is back in early April to MEL, I wonder if they will move it up considering Australia and Thailand are open both ways now and JQ has been flying to HKT.

SQ is already 3 daily from MEL, in addition to the daily TR service. Maybe the reintroduction of the 4th daily flight or an upgauge to A380 if there is demand.

India will be an interesting market to see!

I’m thinking airlines flying to Nth America will feel a little more confident now!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:37 am

kriskim wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
gpasternak wrote:

A very interesting development. It raised a few questions in my mind?
1) Do you reckon airlines, including foriegn ones, will make any sudden changes?
2) If so, how quickly can an airline resume a route if they saw a business case for it..probably a "how long is a piece of string question"
3) Do you think airlines are aware of these decisions prior to the public?


I think airlines may not make drastic changes but it might entice a few to increase.
Given that the gov has been foreshadowing "before easter" for a little while now, some probably started making decisions around that, eg EY's recent one to go daily in to MEL & SYD from April.
SQ may upguage here and there if there's the demand, given they're not currently competing with CX for connecting traffic.
I think TG already said they were coming back to MEL in April (from memory).

So I don't think it'll be drastic changes but there will be previously locked increases becoming much more obvious over the next 2 months.


TG is back in early April to MEL, I wonder if they will move it up considering Australia and Thailand are open both ways now and JQ has been flying to HKT.

SQ is already 3 daily from MEL, in addition to the daily TR service. Maybe the reintroduction of the 4th daily flight or an upgauge to A380 if there is demand.

India will be an interesting market to see!

I’m thinking airlines flying to Nth America will feel a little more confident now!


With QF and AI now both offering non-stops in the Australia-India market, plus the capacity that SQ has now added into Australia, it will be interesting to see what kind of demand will be from a tourism perspective.

One thing is for sure, there will be many out there that have had a couple of hard years with the economic challenges that the pandemic has made for many around the globe, so just what the desire will be to spend up big time travel will also be a consideration.

I can see the potential for more capacity on North America-Australia routes coming online sooner, but it will more than likely be quite a gradual rebuild on capacity on many routes over time.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:04 pm

Given the border announcement I’d think the Qld gov would be trying to incentivise SQ and JQ to move up their restart out of CNS given how hard hit the region is.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:26 am

Anyone heard anything more on what Qantas plans to do with QF9/10 (LHR) and QF5/6 (FCO) given the WA border will remain closed? I presume they'll reschedule via DRW to still maintain a non stop from Australia advantage, but schedules are still showing PER. Wanting to book but don't want to end up stuck in Perth.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:49 am

Does anyone know if Virgin Australia will go back to flying to the US in the future? Or does anyone know if they have any airline partners that you can use Virgin credits on to get to the US?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:51 am

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Does anyone know if Virgin Australia will go back to flying to the US in the future? Or does anyone know if they have any airline partners that you can use Virgin credits on to get to the US?

Virgin-United partnership marks new milestone

Virgin Australia and United Airlines have jointly filed for approval from the US Department of Transportation for their previously announced upcoming codeshare agreement.

According to reports, the paperwork was filed with the DOT this week, ahead of the planned launch of the partnership in April 2022.

https://australianaviation.com.au/2022/ ... stone/amp/


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:53 am

Thank you for that! Good to know there might be some options in the future!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:57 am

sennabestever wrote:
Does anyone know if Virgin Australia will go back to flying to the US in the future? Or does anyone know if they have any airline partners that you can use Virgin credits on to get to the US?


Virgin's new partner is United Airlines, but that doesn't start until April, until then they are still allied with Delta. I presume you could turn your VA credits from flights cancelled during COVID into a booking on Delta to the end of March or United from April onwards.

As for Virgin returning to the USA, I honestly don't think anybody expects that will happen. I think one reason they went with United is because UA flies the same or equivalent routes as Qantas, eg SYD-LAX/SFO, MEL-LAX/SFO and SYD-IAH, which Virgin could never do and which Virgin has no intention of doing. I reckon Virgin will remain a domestic-only airline except for a few key and profitable short-haul routes such as NZ, Fiji and Bali.

And I would rather them do that and focus on this as their core market and their core strength, and become a solid and real alternative to Qantas rather than just a me-too competitor.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:25 am

Does anybody know the regos of the 2 VA birds with the new trial seats?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:15 am

Virgin and BME airport sign 10 year agreement, VA says they will work with the airport to add more flights in the future

https://thewest.com.au/business/aviatio ... TR_ZRl53nQ
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:44 am

QF hiring for CGK abs MNL airport managers so they must be coming back soon also.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:00 am

smi0006 wrote:
QF hiring for CGK abs MNL airport managers so they must be coming back soon also.


CGK just banned all foreigners.....Indo seems bit risky at the moment for relaunching flights
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:09 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
QF hiring for CGK abs MNL airport managers so they must be coming back soon also.


CGK just banned all foreigners.....Indo seems bit risky at the moment for relaunching flights

No harm in advertising, take a few weeks for applications, run some interviews, offer job, new recruit gives notice from previous position ... it all takes time anyway. Plus the fact that any Australia-CGK flight would have a high proportion of Indonesian nationals, as opposed to Australia-DPS which would be the opposite.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:51 am

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smi0006 wrote:
QF hiring for CGK abs MNL airport managers so they must be coming back soon also.


CGK just banned all foreigners.....Indo seems bit risky at the moment for relaunching flights

QF are not restarting SYD-CGK until 27/3 so this is obviously to allow them some time to go through the hiring process. Foreigners can still currently enter through CGK and DPS though must have visa and have 5 day hotel quarantine at traveller's cost on arrival. It is unlikely that QF will restart QF41/42 until this requirement is removed.

I need to go to Jakarta for work in April so continue to hope that the restrictions ease before then.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:16 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
QF hiring for CGK abs MNL airport managers so they must be coming back soon also.


CGK just banned all foreigners.....Indo seems bit risky at the moment for relaunching flights


I thought that had been clarified as being untrue?

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/in ... ts-2484006
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:21 am

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Does anybody know the regos of the 2 VA birds with the new trial seats?

VH-IJQ/IWQ
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:24 pm

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Does anybody know the regos of the 2 VA birds with the new trial seats?

IJQ and IWQ for business class I believe. The rest of the VH-I** aircraft have a newer style economy seat with the tablet holder though. Some are trimmed in plain grey leather, some are trimmed with the embroidered seats and coloured headrests.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:37 pm

CraigAnderson wrote:
sennabestever wrote:
Does anyone know if Virgin Australia will go back to flying to the US in the future? Or does anyone know if they have any airline partners that you can use Virgin credits on to get to the US?


Virgin's new partner is United Airlines, but that doesn't start until April, until then they are still allied with Delta. I presume you could turn your VA credits from flights cancelled during COVID into a booking on Delta to the end of March or United from April onwards.

As for Virgin returning to the USA, I honestly don't think anybody expects that will happen. I think one reason they went with United is because UA flies the same or equivalent routes as Qantas, eg SYD-LAX/SFO, MEL-LAX/SFO and SYD-IAH, which Virgin could never do and which Virgin has no intention of doing. I reckon Virgin will remain a domestic-only airline except for a few key and profitable short-haul routes such as NZ, Fiji and Bali.

And I would rather them do that and focus on this as their core market and their core strength, and become a solid and real alternative to Qantas rather than just a me-too competitor.


From memory, VA were actually quite profitable on the LAX route so I think it's a bit unfair to say they were a 'me-too' operator. However, I personally don't see any point in bringing 6-8x 787's or 350's for a LAX route UA can operate anyway with better year-round frequency and reliability. Now VA inked in with UA you would expect MEL/SYD/probs BNE-LAX/SFO and a couple additional routes from SYD and/or MEL.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:30 pm

oskarclare wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
sennabestever wrote:
Does anyone know if Virgin Australia will go back to flying to the US in the future? Or does anyone know if they have any airline partners that you can use Virgin credits on to get to the US?


Virgin's new partner is United Airlines, but that doesn't start until April, until then they are still allied with Delta. I presume you could turn your VA credits from flights cancelled during COVID into a booking on Delta to the end of March or United from April onwards.

As for Virgin returning to the USA, I honestly don't think anybody expects that will happen. I think one reason they went with United is because UA flies the same or equivalent routes as Qantas, eg SYD-LAX/SFO, MEL-LAX/SFO and SYD-IAH, which Virgin could never do and which Virgin has no intention of doing. I reckon Virgin will remain a domestic-only airline except for a few key and profitable short-haul routes such as NZ, Fiji and Bali.

And I would rather them do that and focus on this as their core market and their core strength, and become a solid and real alternative to Qantas rather than just a me-too competitor.


From memory, VA were actually quite profitable on the LAX route so I think it's a bit unfair to say they were a 'me-too' operator. However, I personally don't see any point in bringing 6-8x 787's or 350's for a LAX route UA can operate anyway with better year-round frequency and reliability. Now VA inked in with UA you would expect MEL/SYD/probs BNE-LAX/SFO and a couple additional routes from SYD and/or MEL.


I agree that I don’t see much value in VA going back into long haul, but it will be interesting to see if VA/UA look to further deepen their partnership what the terms of that agreement would be. The VA/DL JV apparently had had requirements for VA to operate to LAX.

As for additional routes, I don’t see that many opportunities outside of adding BNE. MEL-IAH is too long a route, and I can’t see UA starting SYD/MEL-DEN services anytime soon.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:14 pm

BNEFlyer wrote:
VH-IJQ/IWQ

VHOGU wrote:
IJQ and IWQ for business class I believe. The rest of the VH-I** aircraft have a newer style economy seat with the tablet holder though. Some are trimmed in plain grey leather, some are trimmed with the embroidered seats and coloured headrests.


Cheers. Seems like they are based in BNE and SYD. Would like to try the seats out for myself, the added recline in J is something to look forward to.
Are they just keeping these two to collect feedback until the 737-8 come online?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:14 pm

There’s no -8, just the -10 coming.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:44 pm

Right on que.. Rex comments on QF to BHQ.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-08/ ... /100812346
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:37 pm

qf2048 wrote:
Right on que.. Rex comments on QF to BHQ.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-08/ ... /100812346


Embarrassing as always- REX need to ditch John Sharp asap, only then will they actually have a chance.

From the article;
It follows a blow QantasLink CEO John Gissing landed yesterday when he suggested Rex were all talk.

"We hear a lot about that airline," he said.

"Some people in aviation call them the cockatoo airline, lots of squawking. But sometimes you can't work out what they're actually on about”

As much as I love ZL staff and product, I think he’s summed up John and REX brand rather well.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:06 pm

I've dealt with John Sharp a few times at my airport. Since I am a contractor that "works" for both QF and ZL, the majority of the conversation was just him bickering about QF. He is a nice guy but he needs to learn when to shut his lips.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:08 pm

LoganTheBogan wrote:
I've dealt with John Sharp a few times at my airport. Since I am a contractor that "works" for both QF and ZL, the majority of the conversation was just him bickering about QF. He is a nice guy but he needs to learn when to shut his lips.


I'm always stunned how these guys managed to get into such senior roles... networking, good with the gab? James Hogan is another example - from train wreck to train wreck!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:15 pm

On a side note: putting many 'characters' in the one room, e.g James Hogan, Chris Luxon and John Borghetti is NEVER going to end well.

Getting back on topic, no surprise about Sharp. Surely the Singaporean owners at REX could look at replacing Sharp as Chairman with the stuff coming out his mouth which will undoubtedly effect their investment.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:32 pm

SCFlyer wrote:
On a side note: putting many 'characters' in the one room, e.g James Hogan, Chris Luxon and John Borghetti is NEVER going to end well.

Getting back on topic, no surprise about Sharp. Surely the Singaporean owners at REX could look at replacing Sharp as Chairman with the stuff coming out his mouth which will undoubtedly effect their investment.


The problem is, a lot of ZLs management and even everyday staff seem to love Sharp, which then results in this company-wide culture which revolves around his mindset. Of course business is business and you aren't expected to love your competitor but it shouldn't be publicly thrown around in a childish manner.

At least QF doesn't drag it out. They'll receive a punt from REX, throw one or two statements out and call it a day.

When ZL published that ad in Australian newspapers name-calling and slamming QF, they received a lot of company support for such a childish and dangerous act.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2 ... rline.html

QF even set up a page on their website dismissing false claims from ZL, as found here:

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/qanta ... -from-rex/

Now I'm not saying QF is the best airline, because they have their flaws too, but I absolutely despise the management and culture at REX that has been brewing for nearly two decades now because of Sharp's attitude and mindset.

The customer staff (FAs, pilots, check-in etc) may be the nicest people you could ever meet and I personally love working with them daily, but anyone higher than that and you begin to see the steaming pile of **** that internal REX is.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:44 pm

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Does anybody know the regos of the 2 VA birds with the new trial seats?

IJQ and IWQ for business class I believe. The rest of the VH-I** aircraft have a newer style economy seat with the tablet holder though. Some are trimmed in plain grey leather, some are trimmed with the embroidered seats and coloured headrests.

IJQ and IWQ have the new/prototype J and Y seats. The other ex-MI aircraft have the current J seats. The Y seats are from Tiger (they may have changed the headrest cover on some of those though).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:57 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
On a side note: putting many 'characters' in the one room, e.g James Hogan, Chris Luxon and John Borghetti is NEVER going to end well.

Getting back on topic, no surprise about Sharp. Surely the Singaporean owners at REX could look at replacing Sharp as Chairman with the stuff coming out his mouth which will undoubtedly effect their investment.


The problem is, a lot of ZLs management and even everyday staff seem to love Sharp, which then results in this company-wide culture which revolves around his mindset. Of course business is business and you aren't expected to love your competitor but it shouldn't be publicly thrown around in a childish manner.

At least QF doesn't drag it out. They'll receive a punt from REX, throw one or two statements out and call it a day.

When ZL published that ad in Australian newspapers name-calling and slamming QF, they received a lot of company support for such a childish and dangerous act.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2 ... rline.html

QF even set up a page on their website dismissing false claims from ZL, as found here:

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/qanta ... -from-rex/

Now I'm not saying QF is the best airline, because they have their flaws too, but I absolutely despise the management and culture at REX that has been brewing for nearly two decades now because of Sharp's attitude and mindset.

The customer staff (FAs, pilots, check-in etc) may be the nicest people you could ever meet and I personally love working with them daily, but anyone higher than that and you begin to see the steaming pile of **** that internal REX is.



There is absolutely no question that QF are targeting ZL route by route
They also seem to be targeting some very thin routes that are operating less than 2 flights per day with less passengers daily than would fill a Q200
Another example of QF quashing competition on mainline routes
Put a couple of flights on Sydney - Melbourne and we will decimate your regional routes and send you busto...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:04 am

Just noticed EK’s bringing their 2nd daily Sydney service forward to the 1st of March.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:13 am

Deano969 wrote:
LoganTheBogan wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
On a side note: putting many 'characters' in the one room, e.g James Hogan, Chris Luxon and John Borghetti is NEVER going to end well.

Getting back on topic, no surprise about Sharp. Surely the Singaporean owners at REX could look at replacing Sharp as Chairman with the stuff coming out his mouth which will undoubtedly effect their investment.


The problem is, a lot of ZLs management and even everyday staff seem to love Sharp, which then results in this company-wide culture which revolves around his mindset. Of course business is business and you aren't expected to love your competitor but it shouldn't be publicly thrown around in a childish manner.

At least QF doesn't drag it out. They'll receive a punt from REX, throw one or two statements out and call it a day.

When ZL published that ad in Australian newspapers name-calling and slamming QF, they received a lot of company support for such a childish and dangerous act.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2 ... rline.html

QF even set up a page on their website dismissing false claims from ZL, as found here:

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/qanta ... -from-rex/

Now I'm not saying QF is the best airline, because they have their flaws too, but I absolutely despise the management and culture at REX that has been brewing for nearly two decades now because of Sharp's attitude and mindset.

The customer staff (FAs, pilots, check-in etc) may be the nicest people you could ever meet and I personally love working with them daily, but anyone higher than that and you begin to see the steaming pile of **** that internal REX is.



There is absolutely no question that QF are targeting ZL route by route
They also seem to be targeting some very thin routes that are operating less than 2 flights per day with less passengers daily than would fill a Q200
Another example of QF quashing competition on mainline routes
Put a couple of flights on Sydney - Melbourne and we will decimate your regional routes and send you busto...


I tend to agree. There really is no reason for Qantas to be flying to Broken Hill. They've never shown interest before.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:36 am

NTLDaz wrote:
Deano969 wrote:
LoganTheBogan wrote:

The problem is, a lot of ZLs management and even everyday staff seem to love Sharp, which then results in this company-wide culture which revolves around his mindset. Of course business is business and you aren't expected to love your competitor but it shouldn't be publicly thrown around in a childish manner.

At least QF doesn't drag it out. They'll receive a punt from REX, throw one or two statements out and call it a day.

When ZL published that ad in Australian newspapers name-calling and slamming QF, they received a lot of company support for such a childish and dangerous act.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2 ... rline.html

QF even set up a page on their website dismissing false claims from ZL, as found here:

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/qanta ... -from-rex/

Now I'm not saying QF is the best airline, because they have their flaws too, but I absolutely despise the management and culture at REX that has been brewing for nearly two decades now because of Sharp's attitude and mindset.

The customer staff (FAs, pilots, check-in etc) may be the nicest people you could ever meet and I personally love working with them daily, but anyone higher than that and you begin to see the steaming pile of **** that internal REX is.



There is absolutely no question that QF are targeting ZL route by route
They also seem to be targeting some very thin routes that are operating less than 2 flights per day with less passengers daily than would fill a Q200
Another example of QF quashing competition on mainline routes
Put a couple of flights on Sydney - Melbourne and we will decimate your regional routes and send you busto...


I tend to agree. There really is no reason for Qantas to be flying to Broken Hill. They've never shown interest before.

Have you seen how much ZL charge on the BHQ route. The airfares are ridiculous & they deserve competition to provide alternatives.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:58 am

EK413 wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:
Deano969 wrote:


There is absolutely no question that QF are targeting ZL route by route
They also seem to be targeting some very thin routes that are operating less than 2 flights per day with less passengers daily than would fill a Q200
Another example of QF quashing competition on mainline routes
Put a couple of flights on Sydney - Melbourne and we will decimate your regional routes and send you busto...


I tend to agree. There really is no reason for Qantas to be flying to Broken Hill. They've never shown interest before.

Have you seen how much ZL charge on the BHQ route. The airfares are ridiculous & they deserve competition to provide alternatives.


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Agreed entirely. I would have a lot more sympathy for Rex if they hadn’t price gauged their monopoly regional communities for years and years. A bit of competition is desperately needed, and at 2x weekly Qantas are really only targeting leisure traffic, as much as it exists. State government travel and similar contracts, which is really what supports many of these routes even if there isn’t a direct subsidy, will stay with Rex due to much higher frequency. Qantas have served any of these new markets more than once daily, so Rex will continue to pick up the most lucrative traffic. They will be fine.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Wed Feb 09, 2022 8:04 am

EK413 wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:
Deano969 wrote:


There is absolutely no question that QF are targeting ZL route by route
They also seem to be targeting some very thin routes that are operating less than 2 flights per day with less passengers daily than would fill a Q200
Another example of QF quashing competition on mainline routes
Put a couple of flights on Sydney - Melbourne and we will decimate your regional routes and send you busto...


I tend to agree. There really is no reason for Qantas to be flying to Broken Hill. They've never shown interest before.

Have you seen how much ZL charge on the BHQ route. The airfares are ridiculous & they deserve competition to provide alternatives.

I've flown ZL plenty of times on plenty of routes. 34 passengers with 2 pilots and a flight attendant doesn't lead to cheap fares. Let's not pretend QF are a benevolent organisation helping the good folk of Broken Hill.

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