Obzerva wrote:

EK413 wrote:

Etihad brings back daily Sydney & Melbourne flights, whilst QR to operate daily flights to Brisbane from 1 March.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights

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Interesting split schedule for EY on this one.

Essentially there is a daily mid afternoon flight (4 MEL, 3 SYD), and a daily evening flight (3 MEL, 4 SYD), they're just split between the two.
The domestic connecting flight between MEL and SYD does add time, but it's a novel approach as opposed to just an evening flight like I think QR & EK are doing.

VHVXB wrote:

Obzerva wrote:

EK413 wrote:

Etihad brings back daily Sydney & Melbourne flights, whilst QR to operate daily flights to Brisbane from 1 March.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights

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Interesting split schedule for EY on this one.

Essentially there is a daily mid afternoon flight (4 MEL, 3 SYD), and a daily evening flight (3 MEL, 4 SYD), they're just split between the two.
The domestic connecting flight between MEL and SYD does add time, but it's a novel approach as opposed to just an evening flight like I think QR & EK are doing.

I'm guessing they are trying to feed different departure banks out of AUH without committing to many resources

rushed wrote:

Qantas to start flying Sydney to Broken Hill twice weekly (M,F) from 8 April. Standing by for rant from Rex..
https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... back-town/

qf2048 wrote:

rushed wrote:

Qantas to start flying Sydney to Broken Hill twice weekly (M,F) from 8 April. Standing by for rant from Rex..
https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... back-town/

Just saw this on QF web site. You just took the words out of my mouth! Yes Rex will be calling this predatory too I suppose? Watch Rex miraculously drop their fare price to BHQ.

melpax wrote:

An announcement is expected tomorrow about the re-opening of the borders to tourists, possibly in a few week's time.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nati ... ost=p53bds

qf789 wrote:

melpax wrote:

An announcement is expected tomorrow about the re-opening of the borders to tourists, possibly in a few week's time.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nati ... ost=p53bds

Fully vaccinated travellers will be allowed from 21 Feb 22, so in 2 weeks time

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... c7869cc216

qf789 wrote:

Fully vaccinated travellers will be allowed from 21 Feb 22, so in 2 weeks time

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... c7869cc216

melpax wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Fully vaccinated travellers will be allowed from 21 Feb 22, so in 2 weeks time

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... c7869cc216

Some good news for a change.

Will be interesting to see what the makeup of inbound tourists will be going forward. Still difficult for the Chinese to leave China, and for various reasons, they won't be back in the numbers they were pre-COVID. Those from HK & Japan still must quarantine on arrival back home, but Japan is 'only' 3 days at a hotel & a further 4 at home, so not as onerous as HK....

gpasternak wrote:

qf789 wrote:

melpax wrote:

An announcement is expected tomorrow about the re-opening of the borders to tourists, possibly in a few week's time.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nati ... ost=p53bds

Fully vaccinated travellers will be allowed from 21 Feb 22, so in 2 weeks time

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... c7869cc216

A very interesting development. It raised a few questions in my mind?
1) Do you reckon airlines, including foriegn ones, will make any sudden changes?
2) If so, how quickly can an airline resume a route if they saw a business case for it..probably a "how long is a piece of string question"
3) Do you think airlines are aware of these decisions prior to the public?

gpasternak wrote:

A very interesting development. It raised a few questions in my mind?
1) Do you reckon airlines, including foriegn ones, will make any sudden changes?
2) If so, how quickly can an airline resume a route if they saw a business case for it..probably a "how long is a piece of string question"
3) Do you think airlines are aware of these decisions prior to the public?

melpax wrote:

gpasternak wrote:

A very interesting development. It raised a few questions in my mind?
1) Do you reckon airlines, including foriegn ones, will make any sudden changes?
2) If so, how quickly can an airline resume a route if they saw a business case for it..probably a "how long is a piece of string question"
3) Do you think airlines are aware of these decisions prior to the public?

It's been flagged in the press over the last few days after the PM spoke about it last week, but the final decision was only taken this morning. The 2-week 'notice period' is probably to allow the airlines, hotels & attraction operators to start scaling up operations more than anything. A lot of operators that mainly cater to international tourists have been basically in hibernation/caretaker mode for the last couple of years & will have to start re-employing staff & getting things ready in preparation. Even this morning, the media were discussing the possibility that the reopening might be restricted to 'bubble countries', but we've reopened to all, as long as you're vaxxed.

Obzerva wrote:

gpasternak wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Fully vaccinated travellers will be allowed from 21 Feb 22, so in 2 weeks time

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... c7869cc216

A very interesting development. It raised a few questions in my mind?
1) Do you reckon airlines, including foriegn ones, will make any sudden changes?
2) If so, how quickly can an airline resume a route if they saw a business case for it..probably a "how long is a piece of string question"
3) Do you think airlines are aware of these decisions prior to the public?

I think airlines may not make drastic changes but it might entice a few to increase.
Given that the gov has been foreshadowing "before easter" for a little while now, some probably started making decisions around that, eg EY's recent one to go daily in to MEL & SYD from April.
SQ may upguage here and there if there's the demand, given they're not currently competing with CX for connecting traffic.
I think TG already said they were coming back to MEL in April (from memory).

So I don't think it'll be drastic changes but there will be previously locked increases becoming much more obvious over the next 2 months.

kriskim wrote:

Obzerva wrote:

gpasternak wrote:

A very interesting development. It raised a few questions in my mind?
1) Do you reckon airlines, including foriegn ones, will make any sudden changes?
2) If so, how quickly can an airline resume a route if they saw a business case for it..probably a "how long is a piece of string question"
3) Do you think airlines are aware of these decisions prior to the public?

I think airlines may not make drastic changes but it might entice a few to increase.
Given that the gov has been foreshadowing "before easter" for a little while now, some probably started making decisions around that, eg EY's recent one to go daily in to MEL & SYD from April.
SQ may upguage here and there if there's the demand, given they're not currently competing with CX for connecting traffic.
I think TG already said they were coming back to MEL in April (from memory).

So I don't think it'll be drastic changes but there will be previously locked increases becoming much more obvious over the next 2 months.

TG is back in early April to MEL, I wonder if they will move it up considering Australia and Thailand are open both ways now and JQ has been flying to HKT.

SQ is already 3 daily from MEL, in addition to the daily TR service. Maybe the reintroduction of the 4th daily flight or an upgauge to A380 if there is demand.

India will be an interesting market to see!

I’m thinking airlines flying to Nth America will feel a little more confident now!

sennabestever wrote:

Does anyone know if Virgin Australia will go back to flying to the US in the future? Or does anyone know if they have any airline partners that you can use Virgin credits on to get to the US?

sennabestever wrote:

Does anyone know if Virgin Australia will go back to flying to the US in the future? Or does anyone know if they have any airline partners that you can use Virgin credits on to get to the US?

smi0006 wrote:

QF hiring for CGK abs MNL airport managers so they must be coming back soon also.

jrfspa320 wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

QF hiring for CGK abs MNL airport managers so they must be coming back soon also.

CGK just banned all foreigners.....Indo seems bit risky at the moment for relaunching flights

jrfspa320 wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

QF hiring for CGK abs MNL airport managers so they must be coming back soon also.

CGK just banned all foreigners.....Indo seems bit risky at the moment for relaunching flights

jrfspa320 wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

QF hiring for CGK abs MNL airport managers so they must be coming back soon also.

CGK just banned all foreigners.....Indo seems bit risky at the moment for relaunching flights

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:

Does anybody know the regos of the 2 VA birds with the new trial seats?

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:

Does anybody know the regos of the 2 VA birds with the new trial seats?

CraigAnderson wrote:

sennabestever wrote:

Does anyone know if Virgin Australia will go back to flying to the US in the future? Or does anyone know if they have any airline partners that you can use Virgin credits on to get to the US?

Virgin's new partner is United Airlines, but that doesn't start until April, until then they are still allied with Delta. I presume you could turn your VA credits from flights cancelled during COVID into a booking on Delta to the end of March or United from April onwards.

As for Virgin returning to the USA, I honestly don't think anybody expects that will happen. I think one reason they went with United is because UA flies the same or equivalent routes as Qantas, eg SYD-LAX/SFO, MEL-LAX/SFO and SYD-IAH, which Virgin could never do and which Virgin has no intention of doing. I reckon Virgin will remain a domestic-only airline except for a few key and profitable short-haul routes such as NZ, Fiji and Bali.

And I would rather them do that and focus on this as their core market and their core strength, and become a solid and real alternative to Qantas rather than just a me-too competitor.

oskarclare wrote:

CraigAnderson wrote:

sennabestever wrote:

Does anyone know if Virgin Australia will go back to flying to the US in the future? Or does anyone know if they have any airline partners that you can use Virgin credits on to get to the US?

Virgin's new partner is United Airlines, but that doesn't start until April, until then they are still allied with Delta. I presume you could turn your VA credits from flights cancelled during COVID into a booking on Delta to the end of March or United from April onwards.

As for Virgin returning to the USA, I honestly don't think anybody expects that will happen. I think one reason they went with United is because UA flies the same or equivalent routes as Qantas, eg SYD-LAX/SFO, MEL-LAX/SFO and SYD-IAH, which Virgin could never do and which Virgin has no intention of doing. I reckon Virgin will remain a domestic-only airline except for a few key and profitable short-haul routes such as NZ, Fiji and Bali.

And I would rather them do that and focus on this as their core market and their core strength, and become a solid and real alternative to Qantas rather than just a me-too competitor.

From memory, VA were actually quite profitable on the LAX route so I think it's a bit unfair to say they were a 'me-too' operator. However, I personally don't see any point in bringing 6-8x 787's or 350's for a LAX route UA can operate anyway with better year-round frequency and reliability. Now VA inked in with UA you would expect MEL/SYD/probs BNE-LAX/SFO and a couple additional routes from SYD and/or MEL.

BNEFlyer wrote:

VH-IJQ/IWQ

VHOGU wrote:

IJQ and IWQ for business class I believe. The rest of the VH-I** aircraft have a newer style economy seat with the tablet holder though. Some are trimmed in plain grey leather, some are trimmed with the embroidered seats and coloured headrests.

SCFlyer wrote:

On a side note: putting many 'characters' in the one room, e.g James Hogan, Chris Luxon and John Borghetti is NEVER going to end well.

Getting back on topic, no surprise about Sharp. Surely the Singaporean owners at REX could look at replacing Sharp as Chairman with the stuff coming out his mouth which will undoubtedly effect their investment.

VHOGU wrote:

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:

Does anybody know the regos of the 2 VA birds with the new trial seats?

IJQ and IWQ for business class I believe. The rest of the VH-I** aircraft have a newer style economy seat with the tablet holder though. Some are trimmed in plain grey leather, some are trimmed with the embroidered seats and coloured headrests.

LoganTheBogan wrote:

SCFlyer wrote:

On a side note: putting many 'characters' in the one room, e.g James Hogan, Chris Luxon and John Borghetti is NEVER going to end well.

Getting back on topic, no surprise about Sharp. Surely the Singaporean owners at REX could look at replacing Sharp as Chairman with the stuff coming out his mouth which will undoubtedly effect their investment.

The problem is, a lot of ZLs management and even everyday staff seem to love Sharp, which then results in this company-wide culture which revolves around his mindset. Of course business is business and you aren't expected to love your competitor but it shouldn't be publicly thrown around in a childish manner.

At least QF doesn't drag it out. They'll receive a punt from REX, throw one or two statements out and call it a day.

When ZL published that ad in Australian newspapers name-calling and slamming QF, they received a lot of company support for such a childish and dangerous act.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2 ... rline.html

QF even set up a page on their website dismissing false claims from ZL, as found here:

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/qanta ... -from-rex/

Now I'm not saying QF is the best airline, because they have their flaws too, but I absolutely despise the management and culture at REX that has been brewing for nearly two decades now because of Sharp's attitude and mindset.

The customer staff (FAs, pilots, check-in etc) may be the nicest people you could ever meet and I personally love working with them daily, but anyone higher than that and you begin to see the steaming pile of **** that internal REX is.

Deano969 wrote:

LoganTheBogan wrote:

SCFlyer wrote:

On a side note: putting many 'characters' in the one room, e.g James Hogan, Chris Luxon and John Borghetti is NEVER going to end well.

Getting back on topic, no surprise about Sharp. Surely the Singaporean owners at REX could look at replacing Sharp as Chairman with the stuff coming out his mouth which will undoubtedly effect their investment.

The problem is, a lot of ZLs management and even everyday staff seem to love Sharp, which then results in this company-wide culture which revolves around his mindset. Of course business is business and you aren't expected to love your competitor but it shouldn't be publicly thrown around in a childish manner.

At least QF doesn't drag it out. They'll receive a punt from REX, throw one or two statements out and call it a day.

When ZL published that ad in Australian newspapers name-calling and slamming QF, they received a lot of company support for such a childish and dangerous act.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2 ... rline.html

QF even set up a page on their website dismissing false claims from ZL, as found here:

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/qanta ... -from-rex/

Now I'm not saying QF is the best airline, because they have their flaws too, but I absolutely despise the management and culture at REX that has been brewing for nearly two decades now because of Sharp's attitude and mindset.

The customer staff (FAs, pilots, check-in etc) may be the nicest people you could ever meet and I personally love working with them daily, but anyone higher than that and you begin to see the steaming pile of **** that internal REX is.

There is absolutely no question that QF are targeting ZL route by route
They also seem to be targeting some very thin routes that are operating less than 2 flights per day with less passengers daily than would fill a Q200
Another example of QF quashing competition on mainline routes
Put a couple of flights on Sydney - Melbourne and we will decimate your regional routes and send you busto...

NTLDaz wrote:

Deano969 wrote:

LoganTheBogan wrote:

The problem is, a lot of ZLs management and even everyday staff seem to love Sharp, which then results in this company-wide culture which revolves around his mindset. Of course business is business and you aren't expected to love your competitor but it shouldn't be publicly thrown around in a childish manner.

At least QF doesn't drag it out. They'll receive a punt from REX, throw one or two statements out and call it a day.

When ZL published that ad in Australian newspapers name-calling and slamming QF, they received a lot of company support for such a childish and dangerous act.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2 ... rline.html

QF even set up a page on their website dismissing false claims from ZL, as found here:

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/qanta ... -from-rex/

Now I'm not saying QF is the best airline, because they have their flaws too, but I absolutely despise the management and culture at REX that has been brewing for nearly two decades now because of Sharp's attitude and mindset.

The customer staff (FAs, pilots, check-in etc) may be the nicest people you could ever meet and I personally love working with them daily, but anyone higher than that and you begin to see the steaming pile of **** that internal REX is.

There is absolutely no question that QF are targeting ZL route by route
They also seem to be targeting some very thin routes that are operating less than 2 flights per day with less passengers daily than would fill a Q200
Another example of QF quashing competition on mainline routes
Put a couple of flights on Sydney - Melbourne and we will decimate your regional routes and send you busto...

I tend to agree. There really is no reason for Qantas to be flying to Broken Hill. They've never shown interest before.

EK413 wrote:

NTLDaz wrote:

Deano969 wrote:

There is absolutely no question that QF are targeting ZL route by route
They also seem to be targeting some very thin routes that are operating less than 2 flights per day with less passengers daily than would fill a Q200
Another example of QF quashing competition on mainline routes
Put a couple of flights on Sydney - Melbourne and we will decimate your regional routes and send you busto...

I tend to agree. There really is no reason for Qantas to be flying to Broken Hill. They've never shown interest before.

Have you seen how much ZL charge on the BHQ route. The airfares are ridiculous & they deserve competition to provide alternatives.


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EK413 wrote:

NTLDaz wrote:

Deano969 wrote:

There is absolutely no question that QF are targeting ZL route by route
They also seem to be targeting some very thin routes that are operating less than 2 flights per day with less passengers daily than would fill a Q200
Another example of QF quashing competition on mainline routes
Put a couple of flights on Sydney - Melbourne and we will decimate your regional routes and send you busto...

I tend to agree. There really is no reason for Qantas to be flying to Broken Hill. They've never shown interest before.

Have you seen how much ZL charge on the BHQ route. The airfares are ridiculous & they deserve competition to provide alternatives.

I've flown ZL plenty of times on plenty of routes. 34 passengers with 2 pilots and a flight attendant doesn't lead to cheap fares. Let's not pretend QF are a benevolent organisation helping the good folk of Broken Hill.

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