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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Fri Feb 18, 2022 7:38 am

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But can QF put SQ's "domestic airline" out of business? Could get interesting.

They've done it recently with Tiger.


Tiger were doomed after that ( how does one say ) interesting CASA move on their safety.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Fri Feb 18, 2022 7:56 am

anstar wrote:
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But can QF put SQ's "domestic airline" out of business? Could get interesting.

They've done it recently with Tiger.


You could technically say QF has done that twice under Joyce's watch. (Or three times if you count SQ's 25% investment in NZ who owned AN back in the Dixon era).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Fri Feb 18, 2022 10:45 am

anstar wrote:
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But can QF put SQ's "domestic airline" out of business? Could get interesting.

They've done it recently with Tiger.


Just for clarity (as Tullamarine correctly picked me up for the SQ-NZ-AN boondoggle) TT was not owned by SQ. TIger SG was a separate business to SQ, albeit with the same owners, and the relationship between the two was very arms length. Tiger Holdings set up TT, and IIRC had fully digested TT before the merger with Scoot, which was (and still is) a wholly owned subsidiary of SQ.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Fri Feb 18, 2022 10:51 am

Re WA, hopefully JQ reinstate their flights for March and honour existing bookings.

I had flights to PER booked for late March, which JQ cancelled on Tuesday (3 days ago) as they cancelled all PER flights until April. Mostly due to waiting for the weekend to have some time to figure out what to do, I haven’t yet applied for a credit/refund/date change. If they were to reinstate the flight but say ‘too bad, have a credit and re-book’ I’ll be livid. Looking at fares for April/May, I’d be paying 3-4x the value of the credit to be rebooked on the same flight as I had an existing booking for.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:46 pm

Singapore Airlines has opened bookings for PER-SIN, 17 weekly from 3 March 22

https://www.facebook.com/singaporeair/p ... 79/?type=3
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:48 pm

LATAM to resume SYD via AKL from 29 March 22, 3 weekly

https://australianaviation.com.au/2022/ ... w-zealand/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Fri Feb 18, 2022 9:37 pm

SCFlyer wrote:
anstar wrote:
Thatcher wrote:
But can QF put SQ's "domestic airline" out of business? Could get interesting.

They've done it recently with Tiger.


You could technically say QF has done that twice under Joyce's watch. (Or three times if you count SQ's 25% investment in NZ who owned AN back in the Dixon era).


None of Ansett, Tiger or Virgin were owned by SQ.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Fri Feb 18, 2022 10:13 pm

There can always be more capacity between Oceania & South America. I'm glad LATAM is resuming services. QF should resume SYD-SCL as soon as possible with Asian connections. Remember Chile is the most developed country in Latin America and part of the US Visa Waiver Program. Australia/NZ should relax visa requirements for Chilean citizens.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:16 pm

qf789 wrote:
Today in the WA Supreme Court a judge has ruled broadly in favour of Perth Airport in the case against Qantas over unpaid airport fees and also asset valuations

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/per ... s-charges/


Very interesting article! Thanks for sharing.

Justice le Miere found that the per passenger prices for terminal services and airfield services for fair and reasonable remuneration for Perth Airport Pty Ltd are as follows; for the following aeronautical services, airfield domestic and international $5.383 per passenger, for international passenger services at T1 and T3 $9.336 for domestic passenger services at T3 $8.436

Ouch! Very pricey for domestic! Interesting around the returns expected on the terminal and QF won’t move over for those prices….. interesting to see how the recovery plays out in PER!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:18 pm

beachroad wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
anstar wrote:
They've done it recently with Tiger.


You could technically say QF has done that twice under Joyce's watch. (Or three times if you count SQ's 25% investment in NZ who owned AN back in the Dixon era).


None of Ansett, Tiger or Virgin were owned by SQ.


SQ owned 25% in Air NZ who owned AN at the time of AN's bankruptcy
SQ wholly owned Tiger Airways Holdings who in turn owned Tiger Airways Australia. (SQ had indirect involvement in Tiger Australia through wholly owning the parent company that owned Tiger Airways Australia at the time)
SQ directly owned 20% in VA Holdings at the time of VA's voluntary administration filing.

SQ in turn is majority owned by government parent Temasek.
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Many also consider Temasek and SQ to be the one and the same (due to SIN government ownership) in some cases although they are separate companies.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sat Feb 19, 2022 2:47 am

smi0006 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Today in the WA Supreme Court a judge has ruled broadly in favour of Perth Airport in the case against Qantas over unpaid airport fees and also asset valuations

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/per ... s-charges/


Very interesting article! Thanks for sharing.

Justice le Miere found that the per passenger prices for terminal services and airfield services for fair and reasonable remuneration for Perth Airport Pty Ltd are as follows; for the following aeronautical services, airfield domestic and international $5.383 per passenger, for international passenger services at T1 and T3 $9.336 for domestic passenger services at T3 $8.436

Ouch! Very pricey for domestic! Interesting around the returns expected on the terminal and QF won’t move over for those prices….. interesting to see how the recovery plays out in PER!

I'm not sure that the PER prices quoted are all that different from what QF would already pay at MEL, SYD or BNE. Airports are, by their nature, monopolistic organisations which is why they are such attractive investments.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sat Feb 19, 2022 2:53 am

SCFlyer wrote:
beachroad wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:

You could technically say QF has done that twice under Joyce's watch. (Or three times if you count SQ's 25% investment in NZ who owned AN back in the Dixon era).


None of Ansett, Tiger or Virgin were owned by SQ.


SQ owned 25% in Air NZ who owned AN at the time of AN's bankruptcy
SQ wholly owned Tiger Airways Holdings who in turn owned Tiger Airways Australia. (SQ had indirect involvement in Tiger Australia through wholly owning the parent company that owned Tiger Airways Australia at the time)
SQ directly owned 20% in VA Holdings at the time of VA's voluntary administration filing.

SQ in turn is majority owned by government parent Temasek.
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Many also consider Temasek and SQ to be the one and the same (due to SIN government ownership) in some cases although they are separate companies.

If, by owned,you mean controlled, then beachroad is correct in his assertion; SQ did not have control of any of these airlines; the original Tiger was the closest it came to outright control. Likewise, claiming QF caused VA to go into administration is false given it was the Covid shutdown of all operations that tipped it over the edge even if it was in a weakened state beforehand.

Ironically, the administration has meant VA has shed huge amounts of debt and is now a much leaner and potentially more lethal operation led by a person who learnt at the feet of AJ himself.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sat Feb 19, 2022 3:04 am

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I'm no expert, but after travelling to Tassie and back in the last week from Sydney, and looking at Flight radar it's clear that Virgin has some slack in their schedule as the 737 are sometimes spending 2 or 3 days in Sydney. And you only have to look at the number of planes at the Qantas base in Sydney to see they have similar spares.

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Given flights to PER are pretty much non-existent until the WA border reopens in March, you'd expect that QF,VA and JQ all have unused capacity at the moment.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sat Feb 19, 2022 3:09 am

Timing wise it's correct that SQ never had direct interests in Tiger Aus

Virgin - Tiger Aus acquisition took place in 2013, and Scoot - Tiger Asia in 2017.

But in the context of broader Singapore Inc / Temasek, which also includes the Singapore Airport then it did.

You've got to look at it through a different lense and treat it more as a single government entity - they care less about the airlines being profitable, and more traffic, tourism $s, and Scoot and Tiger were clearly setup to defend the turf from KLIA2 and Air Asia in particular.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sat Feb 19, 2022 3:13 am

I'm not sure how many others of you were watching the scary LHR landings on BigJet TV last night but, at its peak, there were over 200K watching the feed. Whilst the skill of the pilots was amazing to see, it also proved the benefits of cross-runways. LHR only has 2 parallel runways which meant truly scary 100kmh+ crosswind landings. In MEL or SYD, the cross runways would have been used and, whilst still bumpy and a bit scary, the landings would have been into the wind and the need for crabbing and last-second straightening up avoided.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sat Feb 19, 2022 3:26 am

moa999 wrote:
Timing wise it's correct that SQ never had direct interests in Tiger Aus

Virgin - Tiger Aus acquisition took place in 2013, and Scoot - Tiger Asia in 2017.


Tiger Airways Holdings shed part of its stake in Tiger Australia over two phases, the 40% stake, followed by the 60% for $1 arrangement. They still had control of Tiger Taiwan, although that was eventually sold off.

moa999 wrote:
But in the context of broader Singapore Inc / Temasek, which also includes the Singapore Airport then it did.

You've got to look at it through a different lense and treat it more as a single government entity - they care less about the airlines being profitable, and more traffic, tourism $s, and Scoot and Tiger were clearly setup to defend the turf from KLIA2 and Air Asia in particular.

Sent from my Nokia 8.3 5G using Tapatalk


Agree with that, it's noted that many readers across numerous aviation sites consider the identities (Temasek, SQ, Singapore Inc, etc) to be one and the same.
But that doesn't explain Temasek/SQ's investments in VS and NZ (backdoor access to AN) all those years ago, although both were reported in media to be money losers prior to acquisition of the stakes in those carriers.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sat Feb 19, 2022 3:36 am

Due to delays from Boeing, American Airlines will be suspending Sydney-Los Angeles flights from May.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ey-flights

How does this affect the AA/QF JV if at all?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sat Feb 19, 2022 4:14 am

SCFlyer wrote:
beachroad wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:

You could technically say QF has done that twice under Joyce's watch. (Or three times if you count SQ's 25% investment in NZ who owned AN back in the Dixon era).


None of Ansett, Tiger or Virgin were owned by SQ.


SQ owned 25% in Air NZ who owned AN at the time of AN's bankruptcy
SQ wholly owned Tiger Airways Holdings who in turn owned Tiger Airways Australia. (SQ had indirect involvement in Tiger Australia through wholly owning the parent company that owned Tiger Airways Australia at the time)
SQ directly owned 20% in VA Holdings at the time of VA's voluntary administration filing.

SQ in turn is majority owned by government parent Temasek.
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Many also consider Temasek and SQ to be the one and the same (due to SIN government ownership) in some cases although they are separate companies.


Tiger Airways Holdings was NOT a wholly owned subsidiary of Singapore Airlines. Please stop spreading misinformation.

People really need to gain a deeper understanding of Tamesek. It is a sovereign wealth fund where each investment vehicle is an entirely standalone business which is run for-profit, with the sole focus on maximising long term investment returns. Tamesek is not nationalisation by the back door, or anything similar. There is a focus on developing the Singaporean economy, but ultimately every project must be projected to deliver meaningful ROIC to proceed.

There was no management overlap between SQ and TR, no coordination of schedules, no codeshare, no common maintenance facilities. Nothing. TR and SQ were entirely separate business which had almost nothing to do with each other.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sat Feb 19, 2022 4:38 am

Qantas737 wrote:
Due to delays from Boeing, American Airlines will be suspending Sydney-Los Angeles flights from May.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ey-flights

How does this affect the AA/QF JV if at all?

I’d say there is a lot more to it than delayed B787 deliveries.

Regards to how would this affect the AA/QF JV I’d say nil considering QF have ramped up capacity bringing the A380 services forward & easily absorbing AA capacity.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sat Feb 19, 2022 4:42 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
beachroad wrote:

None of Ansett, Tiger or Virgin were owned by SQ.


SQ owned 25% in Air NZ who owned AN at the time of AN's bankruptcy
SQ wholly owned Tiger Airways Holdings who in turn owned Tiger Airways Australia. (SQ had indirect involvement in Tiger Australia through wholly owning the parent company that owned Tiger Airways Australia at the time)
SQ directly owned 20% in VA Holdings at the time of VA's voluntary administration filing.

SQ in turn is majority owned by government parent Temasek.
.
Many also consider Temasek and SQ to be the one and the same (due to SIN government ownership) in some cases although they are separate companies.


Tiger Airways Holdings was NOT a wholly owned subsidiary of Singapore Airlines. Please stop spreading misinformation.


40% controlled by SQ when first listed on the Singapore Exchange in 2010. I stand corrected.

Going by quick research, SQ eventually acquired the remainder of Tiger Airways Holdings and delisted in 2016 after the merger of Tigerair and Scoot (where both were placed under the umbrella of Budget Aviation Holdings).

People really need to gain a deeper understanding of Tamesek. It is a sovereign wealth fund where each investment vehicle is an entirely standalone business which is run for-profit, with the sole focus on maximising long term investment returns. Tamesek is not nationalisation by the back door, or anything similar. There is a focus on developing the Singaporean economy, but ultimately every project must be projected to deliver meaningful ROIC to proceed.

There was no management overlap between SQ and TR, no coordination of schedules, no codeshare, no common maintenance facilities. Nothing. TR and SQ were entirely separate business which had almost nothing to do with each other.


TR was similar to Jetstar, operated at arms length with minimal to no involvement. Same with TR and TT, both operated at arms length under the same parent and virtually had no relations. Any 'higher up' decisions (if there was any at all) would've been indirect.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:52 am

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qf789 wrote:
Today in the WA Supreme Court a judge has ruled broadly in favour of Perth Airport in the case against Qantas over unpaid airport fees and also asset valuations

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/per ... s-charges/


Very interesting article! Thanks for sharing.

Justice le Miere found that the per passenger prices for terminal services and airfield services for fair and reasonable remuneration for Perth Airport Pty Ltd are as follows; for the following aeronautical services, airfield domestic and international $5.383 per passenger, for international passenger services at T1 and T3 $9.336 for domestic passenger services at T3 $8.436

Ouch! Very pricey for domestic! Interesting around the returns expected on the terminal and QF won’t move over for those prices….. interesting to see how the recovery plays out in PER!


Here is QF's response

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... rt-action/

Also of note Perth Airport CEO said that they were working with QF on more international services on top of PER-LHR and the seasonal PER-FCO, he mentioned JNB and India specifically
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sat Feb 19, 2022 12:06 pm

Airbus says talks with Qantas regarding A350-1000's are ongoing and they are optimistic on QF finally placing an order. Perhaps we may get an update on it at next weeks half year results

https://www.flightglobal.com/singapore- ... 06.article
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sun Feb 20, 2022 3:31 am

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Also of note Perth Airport CEO said that they were working with QF on more international services on top of PER-LHR and the seasonal PER-FCO, he mentioned JNB and India specifically


Going from enemies to best of friends in a day!

Likely that some of the State Government’s cash they’re splashing around to attract new international routes out of Perth will go to QF too you think?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sun Feb 20, 2022 3:37 am

 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sun Feb 20, 2022 4:42 am

NTLDaz wrote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-20/bonza-budget-airline-cheap-tickets-regional-flights/100845278?utm_campaign=abc_news_web&utm_content=link&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_source=abc_news_web

Story on Bonza on ABC website.


I think Thomas is missing a big issue with Australia compared to the US or Europe is that Australia has a lack of Jet-capable secondary airports around major centres compare to Europe and the US (which a lot are ex-airforce, surplus to requirement airfields, which Australia is lacking).

Sure the might be some destinations that they might be able carve a niche out of like Albury, but I see an issue with Bonza having to use airports like SYD and MEL, and paying there high fees which will give Jetstar and Virgin the opportunity to price match on.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:02 am

qf789 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Today in the WA Supreme Court a judge has ruled broadly in favour of Perth Airport in the case against Qantas over unpaid airport fees and also asset valuations

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/per ... s-charges/


Very interesting article! Thanks for sharing.

Justice le Miere found that the per passenger prices for terminal services and airfield services for fair and reasonable remuneration for Perth Airport Pty Ltd are as follows; for the following aeronautical services, airfield domestic and international $5.383 per passenger, for international passenger services at T1 and T3 $9.336 for domestic passenger services at T3 $8.436

Ouch! Very pricey for domestic! Interesting around the returns expected on the terminal and QF won’t move over for those prices….. interesting to see how the recovery plays out in PER!


Here is QF's response

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... rt-action/

Also of note Perth Airport CEO said that they were working with QF on more international services on top of PER-LHR and the seasonal PER-FCO, he mentioned JNB and India specifically


Doesn’t sound like it’s over yet…. We’ll see! I do agree with QF an independent arbitrator makes the most sense to avoid long legal battles.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:35 am

QF1961 ASP-DRW arr 2003 20 Feb and QF 1952 ASP-DRW arr 2024 20 Feb. Both190's, any idea about these 2 flights. pax i assume, but it seems rather odd around dep and arr times, very close together. Just curious? They don't appear on a QF flight schedule search.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sun Feb 20, 2022 11:14 am

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qf789 wrote:
Also of note Perth Airport CEO said that they were working with QF on more international services on top of PER-LHR and the seasonal PER-FCO, he mentioned JNB and India specifically


Going from enemies to best of friends in a day!

Likely that some of the State Government’s cash they’re splashing around to attract new international routes out of Perth will go to QF too you think?


Possibly. Pre Covid after NH launched PER-NRT, Kevin Brown went on record to say that they wanted to secure flights to both PVG and India. Of course MU did a trial for PER-PVG but that was cut short due to Covid

QF wanted to operate PER-JNB back in 2019 but due to not being able to operate through T3 canned that before it got off the ground, last year QF showed interest in JNB again but obviously borders being closed havent gotten anywhere. Would think that launching PER-JNB at some point this year would be on the cards, SA isnt planning on resuming long haul flights till 2023 at the earliest so its a golden opportunity for them to get in first
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Sun Feb 20, 2022 11:25 pm

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QF1961 ASP-DRW arr 2003 20 Feb and QF 1952 ASP-DRW arr 2024 20 Feb. Both190's, any idea about these 2 flights. pax i assume, but it seems rather odd around dep and arr times, very close together. Just curious? They don't appear on a QF flight schedule search.

QF1952 is ADL-DRW and has a scheduled departure of 17:45. QF1961 is ASP-DRW and has a SDT of 18:15.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:07 am

The future answer to the Lord Howe Island predicament ?

https://blog.covingtonaircraft.com/2022 ... t-variant/

Would be nice to have a sea plane service back in Sydney again :D
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:04 am

Just saw this pop up on Executive Traveller, QR has been approved for BNE flights on a full-time basis. About time, I reckon, and especially now that Etihad up and left BNE there's room for another Gulf carrier.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:17 am

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Just saw this pop up on Executive Traveller, QR has been approved for BNE flights on a full-time basis. About time, I reckon, and especially now that Etihad up and left BNE there's room for another Gulf carrier.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights


Also PER is back to daily as well

Also worth noting, on the register of available capacity, under the country of Qatar it was updated on the 1 Feb 22 to 28 weekly services so it looks like another 7 weekly frequencies have been added to the bilateral

https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/sites ... 020222.pdf
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:21 am

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CraigAnderson wrote:
Just saw this pop up on Executive Traveller, QR has been approved for BNE flights on a full-time basis. About time, I reckon, and especially now that Etihad up and left BNE there's room for another Gulf carrier.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights


Also PER is back to daily as well

Also worth noting, on the register of available capacity, under the country of Qatar it was updated on the 1 Feb 22 to 28 weekly services so it looks like another 7 weekly frequencies have been added to the bilateral

https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/sites ... 020222.pdf


That's great news! Seems only fair, i couldn't understand the reluctance to grant more right to Qatar when compared to the UAE. I find the QR service more consistent than EK and DOH is much nicer to transit than DXB.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:25 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
Just saw this pop up on Executive Traveller, QR has been approved for BNE flights on a full-time basis. About time, I reckon, and especially now that Etihad up and left BNE there's room for another Gulf carrier.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights

That's fantastic news for BNE and QR! Next on the wish-list is that they'll switch back to the A350-1000!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:37 am

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TN486T wrote:
QF1961 ASP-DRW arr 2003 20 Feb and QF 1952 ASP-DRW arr 2024 20 Feb. Both190's, any idea about these 2 flights. pax i assume, but it seems rather odd around dep and arr times, very close together. Just curious? They don't appear on a QF flight schedule search.

QF1952 is ADL-DRW and has a scheduled departure of 17:45. QF1961 is ASP-DRW and has a SDT of 18:15.


Thank you. 1952 stopped at ASP on the way up, as Flight Radar showed a departure from ASP. cheers
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 22, 2022 8:15 pm

jrfspa320 wrote:
That's great news! Seems only fair, i couldn't understand the reluctance to grant more right to Qatar when compared to the UAE. I find the QR service more consistent than EK and DOH is much nicer to transit than DXB.


Dont underestimate the influence Qantas has in these air service negotations.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:26 pm

jrfspa320 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Just saw this pop up on Executive Traveller, QR has been approved for BNE flights on a full-time basis. About time, I reckon, and especially now that Etihad up and left BNE there's room for another Gulf carrier.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights


Also PER is back to daily as well

Also worth noting, on the register of available capacity, under the country of Qatar it was updated on the 1 Feb 22 to 28 weekly services so it looks like another 7 weekly frequencies have been added to the bilateral

https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/sites ... 020222.pdf


That's great news! Seems only fair, i couldn't understand the reluctance to grant more right to Qatar when compared to the UAE. I find the QR service more consistent than EK and DOH is much nicer to transit than DXB.

Not 100% sure that Qatar is a particularly great place to visit though, particularly if you are female.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:32 pm

SQ restarting SIN-CNS next month.
Good to see for the region.

No mention of SIN-DRW though, maybe saving that for a separate announcement to keep the good news stories coming.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ns-flights
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:01 pm

Obzerva wrote:
SQ restarting SIN-CNS next month.
Good to see for the region.

No mention of SIN-DRW though, maybe saving that for a separate announcement to keep the good news stories coming.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ns-flights

Curious when SQ resume SIN-DRW would it have any impact on QF’s DRW-LHR services.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:07 pm

EK413 wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
SQ restarting SIN-CNS next month.
Good to see for the region.

No mention of SIN-DRW though, maybe saving that for a separate announcement to keep the good news stories coming.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ns-flights

Curious when SQ resume SIN-DRW would it have any impact on QF’s DRW-LHR services.

I would suspect there are very few Darwin originating passengers on DRW - LHR so unlikely to have much impact on a service with a short lifespan.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:13 pm

EK413 wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
SQ restarting SIN-CNS next month.
Good to see for the region.

No mention of SIN-DRW though, maybe saving that for a separate announcement to keep the good news stories coming.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ns-flights

Curious when SQ resume SIN-DRW would it have any impact on QF’s DRW-LHR services.


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For a non-scientific answer:
picking a random date, June 11 - QF's DRW-LHR departs at 2010
on the same date in the GDS I can see two DRW-SIN flights loaded, but blocked out
3K departing DRW at 0535
SQ departing DRW at 1545

If either of those flights were to be opened up, timings wouldn't clash with the LHR flight
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:18 pm

a7ala wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:
That's great news! Seems only fair, i couldn't understand the reluctance to grant more right to Qatar when compared to the UAE. I find the QR service more consistent than EK and DOH is much nicer to transit than DXB.


Dont underestimate the influence Qantas has in these air service negotations.


More to the point, UAE was the staging post for ADF into and out of Afghanistan. Qantas might lobby hard, but ultimately these are political/diplomatic decisions.

As it is, I doubt Qantas had much to do with UAE being granted so many frequencies. They already had 100 or so before the EK-QF JV, and in many ways that was why QF joined EK, EK and EY had already flooded the market. Qantas circa 2000s would have been lobbying to not grant UAE more frequency.
 
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Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:55 am

NTLDaz wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
SQ restarting SIN-CNS next month.
Good to see for the region.

No mention of SIN-DRW though, maybe saving that for a separate announcement to keep the good news stories coming.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ns-flights

Curious when SQ resume SIN-DRW would it have any impact on QF’s DRW-LHR services.

I would suspect there are very few Darwin originating passengers on DRW - LHR so unlikely to have much impact on a service with a short lifespan.


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Short lived if WA don’t open up only to snap lockdown their borders again…


Obzerva wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
SQ restarting SIN-CNS next month.
Good to see for the region.

No mention of SIN-DRW though, maybe saving that for a separate announcement to keep the good news stories coming.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ns-flights

Curious when SQ resume SIN-DRW would it have any impact on QF’s DRW-LHR services.


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For a non-scientific answer:
picking a random date, June 11 - QF's DRW-LHR departs at 2010
on the same date in the GDS I can see two DRW-SIN flights loaded, but blocked out
3K departing DRW at 0535
SQ departing DRW at 1545

If either of those flights were to be opened up, timings wouldn't clash with the LHR flight

Probably not clashing with the DRW-LHR direct departure, however for price sensitive passengers willing to fly DRW-SIN-XXX perhaps.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:06 am

tullamarine wrote:
Not 100% sure that Qatar is a particularly great place to visit though, particularly if you are female.


For women travellers it isn’t any better or worse than Dubai and is perfectly safe day-to-day. The airport/airline might have PR problems with women after the dead baby incident.
For tourist activities the desert safari to the inland sea is cooler than the ones from Dubai IMO. That combined with souq waqif and the excellent art museum makes Doha a perfectly enjoyable stopover for a day.

The biggest problems for tourists with all the Gulf countries is boredom, unless you’re super into designer shopping or whatever.

There are some corporate ties in the aluminium and natural gas sectors too. I doubt it’s a major source of demand but I know two people at two different companies who fly GLT to DOH for work.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:11 am

EK413 wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Curious when SQ resume SIN-DRW would it have any impact on QF’s DRW-LHR services.

I would suspect there are very few Darwin originating passengers on DRW - LHR so unlikely to have much impact on a service with a short lifespan.


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Short lived if WA don’t open up only to snap lockdown their borders

Whilst it is easy to be dubious of WA given their recent history they had 643 local cases today. The Genie is out of the bottle now and there's no pint turning back. Just like I think NZ will bring forward their reopening - over 3000 today.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:19 am

dredgy wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Not 100% sure that Qatar is a particularly great place to visit though, particularly if you are female.


For women travellers it isn’t any better or worse than Dubai and is perfectly safe day-to-day. The airport/airline might have PR problems with women after the dead baby incident.
For tourist activities the desert safari to the inland sea is cooler than the ones from Dubai IMO. That combined with souq waqif and the excellent art museum makes Doha a perfectly enjoyable stopover for a day.

The biggest problems for tourists with all the Gulf countries is boredom, unless you’re super into designer shopping or whatever.

There are some corporate ties in the aluminium and natural gas sectors too. I doubt it’s a major source of demand but I know two people at two different companies who fly GLT to DOH for work.

Unfortunately there was another issue in past week where a European woman working for FIFA on World Cup was raped. She was threatened with arrest for sex out of wedlock which could only be overcome if she married her attacker. FIFA managed to spirit her out of country.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:49 am

tullamarine wrote:
dredgy wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Not 100% sure that Qatar is a particularly great place to visit though, particularly if you are female.


For women travellers it isn’t any better or worse than Dubai and is perfectly safe day-to-day. The airport/airline might have PR problems with women after the dead baby incident.
For tourist activities the desert safari to the inland sea is cooler than the ones from Dubai IMO. That combined with souq waqif and the excellent art museum makes Doha a perfectly enjoyable stopover for a day.

The biggest problems for tourists with all the Gulf countries is boredom, unless you’re super into designer shopping or whatever.

There are some corporate ties in the aluminium and natural gas sectors too. I doubt it’s a major source of demand but I know two people at two different companies who fly GLT to DOH for work.

Unfortunately there was another issue in past week where a European woman working for FIFA on World Cup was raped. She was threatened with arrest for sex out of wedlock which could only be overcome if she married her attacker. FIFA managed to spirit her out of country.


Without wanting to get off topic. Yes by our standards thats awful and im not condoning it but it happens in many Islamic states. You cannot travel to these countries and expect to be treated as you would in your own country.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:10 am

tullamarine wrote:
She was threatened with arrest for sex out of wedlock which could only be overcome if she married her attacker. FIFA managed to spirit her out of country.


This is veering too far off topic, but that happens in Dubai and other Gulf States as well - Qatar is not worse in that regard. Violent crime against tourists in all Gulf States is very rare and it's safe for anybody to be walking about day-to-day. Indeed safer than most major American or European cities.

Generally as a foreigner you have some allowances the authorities will turn a blind eye to - the most debaucherous place I ever lived (in regards to sex, drugs and alcohol) was Kuwait. Dubai is up there too.

My point is I don't think it will be a major deterrent to most people if the flights meet their pricing/schedule requirements. Australians have flown Emirates, Etihad and Qatar for years and I would expect Brisbane to be a successful new city for Qatar.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:21 am

dredgy wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
She was threatened with arrest for sex out of wedlock which could only be overcome if she married her attacker. FIFA managed to spirit her out of country.

Australians have flown Emirates, Etihad and Qatar for years and I would expect Brisbane to be a successful new city for Qatar.

I was looking at flights to Europe on QR in October (before this announcement) and noticed the flight times change recently to something more appealing (departing DOH around 7pm and arriving BNE late afternoon). Departure to DOH is still late night. This allows for easy connections through BNE to/from other QLD ports on QF.

Prices are also pretty reasonable, $1400-$1600 in Y depending on destination (I found CDG and VIE the most expensive cities to depart from, pushing up the price).

QR also offer a free stopover with accommodation if the layover is more than 8 hours, which might not come into play now BNE will be daily. Though they offer paid stopovers for about $50 a night.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2022

Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:31 am

Obzerva wrote:
SQ restarting SIN-CNS next month.
Good to see for the region.

No mention of SIN-DRW though, maybe saving that for a separate announcement to keep the good news stories coming.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ns-flights


Thats a long flight on a regular 737. The silver lining is securing a whole row should be less of a problem, anyone have numbers on the route pre covid?
Not that finding a free row has been a big problem these days, Y is hardly full on regular days, even from SYD/MEL/BNE
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