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BangersAndMash wrote:DAC got itself a recommendation at Kearney.
Looks like OO's desperate "ill-defined" Part 135 offering is failing miserably.
https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-1996-1715-0165
JBo wrote:Chuska wrote:airlineworker wrote:With the pilot shortage, it's a waste of crews to fly 9-19 seaters. People choose to.live in remote areas and think they are entitled to airline service. What's next, a shopping mall, a sports arena, rall service, etc?
Airline service has been at each EAS city long before most people were born so they may have chosen to live in remote places because of the air service. I do agree though that for places like JLN, MKG, and PUB , how many people at those cities will fly a single engine prop to a hub when you can drive less than an hour to SGF, GRR, and COS and fly a jet to the same hub. Maybe its working for HOT with its close proximity to LIT, I don't know.
I think MKG's hope is that the added frequency from Southern will appeal more to business travelers who might be on a tighter schedule to get to Chicago for their connecting flight rather than the added time to drive to GRR. That was pretty much always MKG's selling/marketing point - a faster and more convenient alternative to GRR - but that hasn't been so effective with OO's limited schedule.
The ideal scenario - and one I wish they would have at least tried to push for - is a split contract with OO providing an early out/late inbound, and Southern a couple of midday turns. But they may have looked into it and it just wasn't going to happen.
Southern is better than nothing, though, and if the pilot shortage works itself out in 2-3 years, MKG can try and get OO to return.
WA707atMSP wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:DAC got itself a recommendation at Kearney.
Looks like OO's desperate "ill-defined" Part 135 offering is failing miserably.
https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-1996-1715-0165
This document says Boutique forecasted "24,200 annual passengers on 16,770 annual seats, for a load factor of 144%". It looks like Boutique's proposal has some SERIOUSLY flawed assumptions!
atrude777 wrote:https://www.cityofcapegirardeau.org/news/whats_new/mayor_kinder_on_air_service_decisions
The Mayor of Cape Girardeau posted a Blog/Opinion piece to explain their process for why they originally chose Contour, and not SkyWest.
The article mentions that SkyWest did not do an RFP, and they also, like many other cities proposed a Part 135 Operation.
One thing that caught my attention was that for SkyWest to do Part 135 Operation, they would be losing the UA Codeshare/Branding on those Part 135 Operations.
The city believes we have a strong proposal in hand from Contour Airlines, and looks forward to seeing that relationship flourish if approved by the city council on June 20. Given our relationship with SkyWest over the past few years, the intention is to get the best offer from SkyWest if they are indeed still interested in serving the region. It is important for the public to understand, however, that the possible service from SkyWest in the future will definitely not be the service we have enjoyed in the past. SkyWest has indicated they will no longer be branded with United Airlines, and there has been no guarantee of any aspect of their service yet. We will see if they are able to present a proposal by June 20 that is acceptable to our traveling public and the region.
Any idea on why doing so would force SkyWest to lose the UA Codeshare/Branding? Scope? Part 135 Ops....
Interesting statement, plus HOW would SkyWest then be able to sell their seats and use a Reservation?
Alex
atrude777 wrote:
Any idea on why doing so would force SkyWest to lose the UA Codeshare/Branding? Scope? Part 135 Ops....
Alex
MO11 wrote:atrude777 wrote:
Any idea on why doing so would force SkyWest to lose the UA Codeshare/Branding? Scope? Part 135 Ops....
Alex
Public charter.
atrude777 wrote:MO11 wrote:atrude777 wrote:
Any idea on why doing so would force SkyWest to lose the UA Codeshare/Branding? Scope? Part 135 Ops....
Alex
Public charter.
Would this be why that Contour can’t establish a full codeshare with American? As they are considered a public charter?
I assume then SkyWest as a Part 135 would just keep the interline aspect with United then, but as mentioned, not be actually operating as United Express then.
If SkyWest can still have a United Interline to Chicago, then it’s absolutely no different then what Contour is offering with American.
Alex
BangersAndMash wrote:That "public charter can't codeshare" thing sure sounds like a myth to me.
Everybody's repeating it, yet I've never been able to come across anyone that's actually able to point out any provisions in the rules that actually says that.
BangersAndMash wrote:DAC got itself a recommendation at Kearney.
Looks like OO's desperate "ill-defined" Part 135 offering is failing miserably.
https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-1996-1715-0165
MO11 wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:That "public charter can't codeshare" thing sure sounds like a myth to me.
Everybody's repeating it, yet I've never been able to come across anyone that's actually able to point out any provisions in the rules that actually says that.
You can - if the code bearing carrier files a public charter prospectus. JetBlue did with JetSuiteX in 2020 (but no longer does).
Frontier14 wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:DAC got itself a recommendation at Kearney.
Looks like OO's desperate "ill-defined" Part 135 offering is failing miserably.
https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-1996-1715-0165
Salina KS has bought into the OO "Part 135" concept.
Frontier 14
knope2001 wrote:Only speculative, but the codeshare between a big airline and a public charters / part 135 operator may be more of a "won't" rather than "can't".
If I'm United and I put my UA* code on a Skywest Part 135 flight there's serious risk of "The ticket says United but the pilots are inexperienced and the safety standards are far below that bare minimum FAA requirements for most US Airlines" hit pieces on TV or in print. Almost a guarantee if there's an accident or incident, and undoubtedly the Buffalo crash story will be revived.
Sure, there's always some risk of this any time anything is subcontracted out. And a couple decades back when many code-share regional carriers were part 135 the risk was always there. But in 2022 the risk/reward decision in this case has very little added benefit for United to offset the risk. The amount of revenue United loses if Johnstown-Dulles switches from UA* to OO is tiny -- a good portion of people flying JST-IAD-xxx will still connect via United anyway.
atrude777 wrote:• Cape Girardeau, Missouri
Submitted Bids: Southern Airways | Boutique Air | Contour Airlines
[b]June 15th: Action Update[/b]
Source: https://www.semissourian.com/story/2953825.html
Amos added there had been "surface level" conversations with Contour about adding Charlotte, North Carolina, to the airport's service if the council goes in that direction. Contour has an established hub in the city....
BangersAndMash wrote:atrude777 wrote:• Cape Girardeau, Missouri
Submitted Bids: Southern Airways | Boutique Air | Contour Airlines
[b]June 15th: Action Update[/b]
Source: https://www.semissourian.com/story/2953825.html
Amos added there had been "surface level" conversations with Contour about adding Charlotte, North Carolina, to the airport's service if the council goes in that direction. Contour has an established hub in the city....
I'm a bit surprised they don't push for DFW with Contour, for something similar to the service pattern at GLH. BNA has a decent coverage of most cities on the East Coast with AA and friends. DFW would give them better coverage of the Midwest and West Coast. CLT covers a lot of the same ground compared to BNA, and it involves a lot of backtracking to the middle of the country.
BangersAndMash wrote:atrude777 wrote:• Cape Girardeau, Missouri
Submitted Bids: Southern Airways | Boutique Air | Contour Airlines
[b]June 15th: Action Update[/b]
Source: https://www.semissourian.com/story/2953825.html
Amos added there had been "surface level" conversations with Contour about adding Charlotte, North Carolina, to the airport's service if the council goes in that direction. Contour has an established hub in the city....
I'm a bit surprised they don't push for DFW with Contour, for something similar to the service pattern at GLH. BNA has a decent coverage of most cities on the East Coast with AA and friends. DFW would give them better coverage of the Midwest and West Coast. CLT covers a lot of the same ground compared to BNA, and it involves a lot of backtracking to the middle of the country.
. Back to Amtrak I go! atrude777 wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:atrude777 wrote:• Cape Girardeau, Missouri
Submitted Bids: Southern Airways | Boutique Air | Contour Airlines
[b]June 15th: Action Update[/b]
Source: https://www.semissourian.com/story/2953825.html
Amos added there had been "surface level" conversations with Contour about adding Charlotte, North Carolina, to the airport's service if the council goes in that direction. Contour has an established hub in the city....
I'm a bit surprised they don't push for DFW with Contour, for something similar to the service pattern at GLH. BNA has a decent coverage of most cities on the East Coast with AA and friends. DFW would give them better coverage of the Midwest and West Coast. CLT covers a lot of the same ground compared to BNA, and it involves a lot of backtracking to the middle of the country.
Once the region loses Chicago, I have no skin in the game. As someone who lives in Chicago and flies into CGI to visit the family, Contour addition won't get me home anymore. So the next best thing is to do what's right for the community, and nothing against Contour, Nashville is not right. AA in BNA providing Interline does nothing.
I also wish they pushed for CLT, but agree on the backtracking too. CGI-DFW/CLT on Contour with AA Interline would be a HUGE win for the region. While I won't use the service, the community down there will.
Selfishly, I am hoping somehow they keep Chicago because flight wise, that was my non stop home. However, they don't cater to me
Maybe CGI could talk them into doing....
6am Departure CGI-CLT (connects easily to all of the East)
10am Departure CLT-CGI
12pm Departure CGI- DFW
6-8pm Departure DFW-CGI (overnights for the 6am to CLT)
I think that would be an amazing schedule!
I'm just dreaming...
Alex
Jshank83 wrote:
I'd just do 2x to DFW and not worry about CLT. 2nd flight as a backup incase the one a day get canceled.
In this setup if you don't get back to CLT by 920 am you can't connect home on that flight and then you are stuck until the next day.
I never understood the split airports if it means you aren't getting at least two to each.
Jshank83 wrote:atrude777 wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:
I'm a bit surprised they don't push for DFW with Contour, for something similar to the service pattern at GLH. BNA has a decent coverage of most cities on the East Coast with AA and friends. DFW would give them better coverage of the Midwest and West Coast. CLT covers a lot of the same ground compared to BNA, and it involves a lot of backtracking to the middle of the country.
Once the region loses Chicago, I have no skin in the game. As someone who lives in Chicago and flies into CGI to visit the family, Contour addition won't get me home anymore. So the next best thing is to do what's right for the community, and nothing against Contour, Nashville is not right. AA in BNA providing Interline does nothing.
I also wish they pushed for CLT, but agree on the backtracking too. CGI-DFW/CLT on Contour with AA Interline would be a HUGE win for the region. While I won't use the service, the community down there will.
Selfishly, I am hoping somehow they keep Chicago because flight wise, that was my non stop home. However, they don't cater to me
Maybe CGI could talk them into doing....
6am Departure CGI-CLT (connects easily to all of the East)
10am Departure CLT-CGI
12pm Departure CGI- DFW
6-8pm Departure DFW-CGI (overnights for the 6am to CLT)
I think that would be an amazing schedule!
I'm just dreaming...
Alex
I'd just do 2x to DFW and not worry about CLT. 2nd flight as a backup incase the one a day get canceled.
In this setup if you don't get back to CLT by 920 am you can't connect home on that flight and then you are stuck until the next day.
I never understood the split airports if it means you aren't getting at least two to each.
BangersAndMash wrote:atrude777 wrote:• Cape Girardeau, Missouri
Submitted Bids: Southern Airways | Boutique Air | Contour Airlines
[b]June 15th: Action Update[/b]
Source: https://www.semissourian.com/story/2953825.html
Amos added there had been "surface level" conversations with Contour about adding Charlotte, North Carolina, to the airport's service if the council goes in that direction. Contour has an established hub in the city....
I'm a bit surprised they don't push for DFW with Contour, for something similar to the service pattern at GLH. BNA has a decent coverage of most cities on the East Coast with AA and friends. DFW would give them better coverage of the Midwest and West Coast. CLT covers a lot of the same ground compared to BNA, and it involves a lot of backtracking to the middle of the country.
atrude777 wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:atrude777 wrote:• Cape Girardeau, Missouri
Submitted Bids: Southern Airways | Boutique Air | Contour Airlines
[b]June 15th: Action Update[/b]
Source: https://www.semissourian.com/story/2953825.html
Amos added there had been "surface level" conversations with Contour about adding Charlotte, North Carolina, to the airport's service if the council goes in that direction. Contour has an established hub in the city....
I'm a bit surprised they don't push for DFW with Contour, for something similar to the service pattern at GLH. BNA has a decent coverage of most cities on the East Coast with AA and friends. DFW would give them better coverage of the Midwest and West Coast. CLT covers a lot of the same ground compared to BNA, and it involves a lot of backtracking to the middle of the country.
Once the region loses Chicago, I have no skin in the game. As someone who lives in Chicago and flies into CGI to visit the family, Contour addition won't get me home anymore. So the next best thing is to do what's right for the community, and nothing against Contour, Nashville is not right. AA in BNA providing Interline does nothing.
I also wish they pushed for CLT, but agree on the backtracking too. CGI-DFW/CLT on Contour with AA Interline would be a HUGE win for the region. While I won't use the service, the community down there will.
Selfishly, I am hoping somehow they keep Chicago because flight wise, that was my non stop home. However, they don't cater to me
Maybe CGI could talk them into doing....
6am Departure CGI-CLT (connects easily to all of the East)
10am Departure CLT-CGI
12pm Departure CGI- DFW
6-8pm Departure DFW-CGI (overnights for the 6am to CLT)
I think that would be an amazing schedule!
I'm just dreaming...
Alex
Chuska wrote:Alex...Thanks for your updates. If I'm doing the math right, looks like nine cities are now trying to keep OO:
DVL, HYS, CMX, JLN, LBL, LBF, SLN, SUX, and VCT.
atrude777 wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:atrude777 wrote:• Cape Girardeau, Missouri
Submitted Bids: Southern Airways | Boutique Air | Contour Airlines
[b]June 15th: Action Update[/b]
Source: https://www.semissourian.com/story/2953825.html
Amos added there had been "surface level" conversations with Contour about adding Charlotte, North Carolina, to the airport's service if the council goes in that direction. Contour has an established hub in the city....
I'm a bit surprised they don't push for DFW with Contour, for something similar to the service pattern at GLH. BNA has a decent coverage of most cities on the East Coast with AA and friends. DFW would give them better coverage of the Midwest and West Coast. CLT covers a lot of the same ground compared to BNA, and it involves a lot of backtracking to the middle of the country.
Once the region loses Chicago, I have no skin in the game. As someone who lives in Chicago and flies into CGI to visit the family, Contour addition won't get me home anymore. So the next best thing is to do what's right for the community, and nothing against Contour, Nashville is not right. AA in BNA providing Interline does nothing.
I also wish they pushed for CLT, but agree on the backtracking too. CGI-DFW/CLT on Contour with AA Interline would be a HUGE win for the region. While I won't use the service, the community down there will.
Selfishly, I am hoping somehow they keep Chicago because flight wise, that was my non stop home. However, they don't cater to me
Maybe CGI could talk them into doing....
6am Departure CGI-CLT (connects easily to all of the East)
10am Departure CLT-CGI
12pm Departure CGI- DFW
6-8pm Departure DFW-CGI (overnights for the 6am to CLT)
I think that would be an amazing schedule!
I'm just dreaming...
Alex
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:Where does Contour board and deplane at CLT?
BangersAndMash wrote:
Oh absolutely, that's what I meant. DFW instead of CLT as a second hub link. I don't think BNA will go away. Reading the article linked to upthread, the business community seems on board with that.
Well more flights means more costs, so you propose what you think you can get away with on the subsidy front. And there is the issue of whether you can actually fill 4 daily flights. It's probably challenging in some markets. I don't know CGI enough, but it was a Cape Air market not so long ago. Contour tends to be quite conservative as well. They like to under-promise and over-deliver, which is a good approach. Allows you to give a little more when the contract is up for renewal. Smart!
But yeah, you should have at the very least 2x daily to one hub.
FlyingElvii wrote:atrude777 wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:
I'm a bit surprised they don't push for DFW with Contour, for something similar to the service pattern at GLH. BNA has a decent coverage of most cities on the East Coast with AA and friends. DFW would give them better coverage of the Midwest and West Coast. CLT covers a lot of the same ground compared to BNA, and it involves a lot of backtracking to the middle of the country.
Once the region loses Chicago, I have no skin in the game. As someone who lives in Chicago and flies into CGI to visit the family, Contour addition won't get me home anymore. So the next best thing is to do what's right for the community, and nothing against Contour, Nashville is not right. AA in BNA providing Interline does nothing.
I also wish they pushed for CLT, but agree on the backtracking too. CGI-DFW/CLT on Contour with AA Interline would be a HUGE win for the region. While I won't use the service, the community down there will.
Selfishly, I am hoping somehow they keep Chicago because flight wise, that was my non stop home. However, they don't cater to me
Maybe CGI could talk them into doing....
6am Departure CGI-CLT (connects easily to all of the East)
10am Departure CLT-CGI
12pm Departure CGI- DFW
6-8pm Departure DFW-CGI (overnights for the 6am to CLT)
I think that would be an amazing schedule!
I'm just dreaming...
Alex
That is also at least a 15 hour duty day requiring two crews a day to cover, which is not going to happen in the current environment.
atrude777 wrote:FlyingElvii wrote:atrude777 wrote:
Once the region loses Chicago, I have no skin in the game. As someone who lives in Chicago and flies into CGI to visit the family, Contour addition won't get me home anymore. So the next best thing is to do what's right for the community, and nothing against Contour, Nashville is not right. AA in BNA providing Interline does nothing.
I also wish they pushed for CLT, but agree on the backtracking too. CGI-DFW/CLT on Contour with AA Interline would be a HUGE win for the region. While I won't use the service, the community down there will.
Selfishly, I am hoping somehow they keep Chicago because flight wise, that was my non stop home. However, they don't cater to me
Maybe CGI could talk them into doing....
6am Departure CGI-CLT (connects easily to all of the East)
10am Departure CLT-CGI
12pm Departure CGI- DFW
6-8pm Departure DFW-CGI (overnights for the 6am to CLT)
I think that would be an amazing schedule!
I'm just dreaming...
Alex
That is also at least a 15 hour duty day requiring two crews a day to cover, which is not going to happen in the current environment.
However that's exactly what Contour is proposing, 2 Departures, 12 weekly...see my "fake schedule" above...6am Departure to CLT, and 12pm Departure to DFW.
If Contour cannot handle that then they shouldn't be bidding...
Alex
BangersAndMash wrote:atrude777 wrote:FlyingElvii wrote:That is also at least a 15 hour duty day requiring two crews a day to cover, which is not going to happen in the current environment.
However that's exactly what Contour is proposing, 2 Departures, 12 weekly...see my "fake schedule" above...6am Departure to CLT, and 12pm Departure to DFW.
If Contour cannot handle that then they shouldn't be bidding...
Alex
That's what's on the the table right now, yes (i.e. 12x weekly to BNA). But as RJNUT was pointing out upthread, AEAS is a lot more flexible than EAS in terms of schedule changes. As long as the community is on board, you don't need DOT approval. You can add destinations, even less than daily if you wish, you vary frequencies by days, the possibilities are endless. And it can happen quickly.
atrude777 wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:atrude777 wrote:
However that's exactly what Contour is proposing, 2 Departures, 12 weekly...see my "fake schedule" above...6am Departure to CLT, and 12pm Departure to DFW.
If Contour cannot handle that then they shouldn't be bidding...
Alex
That's what's on the the table right now, yes (i.e. 12x weekly to BNA). But as RJNUT was pointing out upthread, AEAS is a lot more flexible than EAS in terms of schedule changes. As long as the community is on board, you don't need DOT approval. You can add destinations, even less than daily if you wish, you vary frequencies by days, the possibilities are endless. And it can happen quickly.
My response was to FlyingElvii saying my schedule of 2 Departures would require the 15 Hour Crew thing and that's not sustainable in the environment. Hence why I said "then Contour shouldn't be bidding".
I just want to make sure the users know I didn't propose four departures, only four flights (2 Outbound and 2 inbound) when I was making up the CLT/DFW Split.
I am just worried I confused everyone now with my "fake schedule"...
Alex
atrude777 wrote:***UPDATE***
• Houghton, Michigan
Submitted Bids: Boutique Air
Action: Declined Boutique Air, will be sticking with SkyWest and attempting to enforce the Contract.
June 16th Update: Houghton Board officially rejects SkyWest's request to drop service to One Daily. Will be enforcing the contract to serve two daily until end of contract.
SkyWest Airlines wants to drop service down to a single round trip flight a day at Houghton County Memorial Airport (CMX). In the county commissioners’ special meeting this morning, all five members agreed to deny SkyWest’s proposed plan to slow service in the county until the end of their contract in January 2023. The airline’s proposed plan was determined to not fit the community’s need for multiple flights a day, throughout the year, as CMX sees between 50 and 70 thousand passengers annually.
I'd be having immediate talks with DAC or Contour as OO will not return after January 23 contract is up. Calling OO's bluff only to lose in the end but somebody had to do it. Sacrificial lamb, CMX!
Source: http://www.keweenawreport.com/featured/ ... r-service/
Alex
atrude777 wrote:they get 50,000-70,000 passengers and they are EAS?? most EAS cities are scrambling to get 10,000***UPDATE***
• Houghton, Michigan
Submitted Bids: Boutique Air
Action: Declined Boutique Air, will be sticking with SkyWest and attempting to enforce the Contract.
June 16th Update: Houghton Board officially rejects SkyWest's request to drop service to One Daily. Will be enforcing the contract to serve two daily until end of contract.
SkyWest Airlines wants to drop service down to a single round trip flight a day at Houghton County Memorial Airport (CMX). In the county commissioners’ special meeting this morning, all five members agreed to deny SkyWest’s proposed plan to slow service in the county until the end of their contract in January 2023. The airline’s proposed plan was determined to not fit the community’s need for multiple flights a day, throughout the year, as CMX sees between 50 and 70 thousand passengers annually.
Source: http://www.keweenawreport.com/featured/ ... r-service/
Alex
32andBelow wrote:atrude777 wrote:they get 50,000-70,000 passengers and they are EAS?? most EAS cities are scrambling to get 10,000***UPDATE***
• Houghton, Michigan
Submitted Bids: Boutique Air
Action: Declined Boutique Air, will be sticking with SkyWest and attempting to enforce the Contract.
June 16th Update: Houghton Board officially rejects SkyWest's request to drop service to One Daily. Will be enforcing the contract to serve two daily until end of contract.
SkyWest Airlines wants to drop service down to a single round trip flight a day at Houghton County Memorial Airport (CMX). In the county commissioners’ special meeting this morning, all five members agreed to deny SkyWest’s proposed plan to slow service in the county until the end of their contract in January 2023. The airline’s proposed plan was determined to not fit the community’s need for multiple flights a day, throughout the year, as CMX sees between 50 and 70 thousand passengers annually.
Source: http://www.keweenawreport.com/featured/ ... r-service/
Alex
BangersAndMash wrote:Frontier14 wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:DAC got itself a recommendation at Kearney.
Looks like OO's desperate "ill-defined" Part 135 offering is failing miserably.
https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-1996-1715-0165
Salina KS has bought into the OO "Part 135" concept.
Frontier 14
Where did you see that? There's nothing official I can see.
And considering they had an excellent offer from DAC on the table, if it's true, whoever's in charge at SLN frankly needs their head examined!
Frontier14 wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:Frontier14 wrote:
Salina KS has bought into the OO "Part 135" concept.
Frontier 14
Where did you see that? There's nothing official I can see.
And considering they had an excellent offer from DAC on the table, if it's true, whoever's in charge at SLN frankly needs their head examined!
Saw it on the Salina Airport Board/Authority web page in their minutes. It stated they (the board) preferred staying with Skywest at seven flights a week in hope that pilot staffing issues would improve down the road and go back up to the 12 flights as the EAS contract requires. Apparently, they have been in discussions with OO and this was the outcome. I am surprised they did not opt for the DAC proposal too!
Frontier 14
atrude777 wrote:UPDATE
*Cape Girardeau, Missouri (CGI)
June 17th-- Cape Girardeau Airport, after hearing a 45 Minute SkyWest proposal, still went ahead and voted for Contour Airlines. They will pass over to CGI Council for final vote on Monday.
https://www.semissourian.com/story/2954292.html
Cape Girardeau Airport Advisory Board members met for the second time in a week Friday, to go over a possible carrier service change in order to make an official recommendation for Monday's City Council meeting.
Board members ultimately voted unanimously to affirm their unanimous June 6 decision to recommend switching to Contour Aviation...
Belmont, at numerous points in the meeting, said he would like to get into more specifics about the carrier's proposal next week even with the impending council meeting days away.
Amos said she was disappointed with the lack of clarity from SkyWest after the presentation and that the decision would now, once again, be turned over to the council.
Alex
MO11 wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:That "public charter can't codeshare" thing sure sounds like a myth to me.
Everybody's repeating it, yet I've never been able to come across anyone that's actually able to point out any provisions in the rules that actually says that.
You can - if the code bearing carrier files a public charter prospectus. JetBlue did with JetSuiteX in 2020 (but no longer does).
BangersAndMash wrote:
Good! Although I know the news isn't going to fill you with joy.
OO have had 2 weeks to come up with something concrete and it's still just hot air. "Belmont, at numerous points in the meeting, said he would like to get into more specifics about the carrier's proposal next week". They must be having a laugh! They've been incapable of doing that up to now, can't see what difference a few days is going to make. Time to move on.
theAviationGeek wrote:
BFF says OO will provide an update on June 24, 2022. Again, there is that 6/24 date we keep seeing (I wonder what’s brewing).
Ryan
atrude777 wrote:***UPDATE***
• Jamestown, North Dakota
Submitted Bids: Southern Airways | Boutique Air
Action: Asking DOT to decline both Proposals
Update: June 18th | Jamestown (JMS) and SkyWest has reached an agreement to provide two daily non stop flights to Denver beginning July 12th.
Source: https://www.jamestownsun.com/news/skywe ... wn-airport
Notes: “We are happy that we have reached some kind of a compromise in this situation,” Hemmer said. “Not overnighting an aircraft in North Dakota helps with their entire crew scheduling and the pilot shortage that they are experiencing by basing their crew out of Denver and providing just the two afternoon round-trip flights for Jamestown.”
Jamestown Regional Airport will provide formal responses before June 30 to the two proposals from two airlines to serve the airport. Southern Airways Express and Boutique Air submitted proposals in May to the USDOT to serve the Jamestown airport.
“We are not going to be waiving our right to a two-engine aircraft therefore both of those proposals do not meet the minimum EAS requirements,” she said. “Our position hasn’t changed, but we haven’t formally sent it to the DOT nor has the DOT formally made a decision on it.”
Alex
