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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:06 pm

Burlington decided they'd rather NOT go with Boutique Air and asked for a rebid. Queue Southern Airways Express.....

(and this was before a scathing piece in AIN about BTQ). I hope that airline right-sizes itself soon.... we're running out of Part 135 Scheduled airlines...
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:34 pm

usxguy wrote:
Burlington decided they'd rather NOT go with Boutique Air and asked for a rebid. Queue Southern Airways Express.....

(and this was before a scathing piece in AIN about BTQ). I hope that airline right-sizes itself soon.... we're running out of Part 135 Scheduled airlines...


The comments to DOT from the BRL folks were savage enough.

Will 9X take the bait? Given Air Choice One had the contract until recently and lack of interline partners rather than poor service was their downfall, I'd say BRL may well get their wish.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:00 am

Wow. Is this the first rejection for SkyWest Charters?

Ryan
 
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Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:00 am

theAviationGeek wrote:
Wow. Is this the first rejection for SkyWest Charters?

Ryan


No. BRL is one of the smaller markets. I doubt SkyWest Charters will bid.

Scottsbluff and North Platte will be the first test. The issue there is whether SkyWest Charters is fully ready and able to bid. They should win if they do considering these markets held out specifically for OO.

It'll be interesting to see if the markets being rebid later in the year stick with them, especially if the current s**tshow continues. It's already nearly a year of chaos. There must be a point where some places think it's just not worth it. OO also made promises, e.g. codeshares, that they will need to honour, otherwise that may spell trouble for them.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:54 pm

usxguy wrote:
Burlington decided they'd rather NOT go with Boutique Air and asked for a rebid. Queue Southern Airways Express.....

(and this was before a scathing piece in AIN about BTQ). I hope that airline right-sizes itself soon.... we're running out of Part 135 Scheduled airlines...


Once enough of them fail, another sleazeball will come along with a pile of money to burn on a not profitable 135 EAS carrier. Always happens.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:10 pm

Appears OO cut PUB and VEL down to once per day. Looks like it may have happened on Oct 1. I thought they were making it work with two per day in each city, despite all the tags.
 
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Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:14 pm

Chuska wrote:
Appears OO cut PUB and VEL down to once per day. Looks like it may have happened on Oct 1. I thought they were making it work with two per day in each city, despite all the tags.

Once a day between VEL-DEN is perfect.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:19 pm

So Ft Leonard Wood looses its ORD flight for one that flies to DFW. Trying to find a schedule, how many flights are there between DFW and Ft. Leonard Wood?
 
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Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:47 pm

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So Ft Leonard Wood looses its ORD flight for one that flies to DFW. Trying to find a schedule, how many flights are there between DFW and Ft. Leonard Wood?


1x day DFW
5-6x week BNA

Flies DFW-TBN-BNA-TBN-DFW
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:02 pm

DOT has selected Southern Express for Quincy, Illinois with routes to both STL and ORD beginning December 1, 2022

Source: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... 14492-0121

Regarding Burlington, Iowa, both Southern and Cape Air (a rebid) put in proposals for Burlington, Iowa.

Both offer 24 weekly, with flights to STL and ORD.

Southern Proposal: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -8731-0150

Cape Air’s Proposal: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -8731-0149

Interesting that Cape Air can now continue to serve Burlington, Iowa!

Alex
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:04 pm

atrude777 wrote:
DOT has selected Southern Express for Quincy, Illinois with routes to both STL and ORD beginning December 1, 2022

Source: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... 14492-0121

Regarding Burlington, Iowa, both Southern and Cape Air (a rebid) put in proposals for Burlington, Iowa.

Both offer 24 weekly, with flights to STL and ORD.

Southern Proposal: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -8731-0150

Cape Air’s Proposal: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -8731-0149

Interesting that Cape Air can now continue to serve Burlington, Iowa!

Alex


I guess Cape can't pull their intention to leave and keep it?
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:34 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
DOT has selected Southern Express for Quincy, Illinois with routes to both STL and ORD beginning December 1, 2022

Source: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... 14492-0121

Regarding Burlington, Iowa, both Southern and Cape Air (a rebid) put in proposals for Burlington, Iowa.

Both offer 24 weekly, with flights to STL and ORD.

Southern Proposal: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -8731-0150

Cape Air’s Proposal: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -8731-0149

Interesting that Cape Air can now continue to serve Burlington, Iowa!

Alex


I guess Cape can't pull their intention to leave and keep it?


Absolutely you can pull your intention to leave up until when the US DOT awards the new contract (or better before the community makes recommendation to avoid it getting too messy). SkyWest has absolutely done that with their large contingent of termination notices.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:11 pm

william wrote:
So Ft Leonard Wood looses its ORD flight for one that flies to DFW. Trying to find a schedule, how many flights are there between DFW and Ft. Leonard Wood?


1x daily to DFW + 5x weekly to BNA

In several AEAS markets they serve (CEC and TUP spring to mind), they routinely add unsubsidised flights when demand warrants. It'll be interesting to see if they do the same here.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:14 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
DOT has selected Southern Express for Quincy, Illinois with routes to both STL and ORD beginning December 1, 2022

Source: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... 14492-0121

Regarding Burlington, Iowa, both Southern and Cape Air (a rebid) put in proposals for Burlington, Iowa.

Both offer 24 weekly, with flights to STL and ORD.

Southern Proposal: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -8731-0150

Cape Air’s Proposal: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -8731-0149

Interesting that Cape Air can now continue to serve Burlington, Iowa!

Alex


I guess Cape can't pull their intention to leave and keep it?


They could, but the community needs to agree.

An early sign Burlington is ready to move on to Southern perhaps?
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:23 pm

BangersAndMash wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
DOT has selected Southern Express for Quincy, Illinois with routes to both STL and ORD beginning December 1, 2022

Source: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... 14492-0121

Regarding Burlington, Iowa, both Southern and Cape Air (a rebid) put in proposals for Burlington, Iowa.

Both offer 24 weekly, with flights to STL and ORD.

Southern Proposal: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -8731-0150

Cape Air’s Proposal: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -8731-0149

Interesting that Cape Air can now continue to serve Burlington, Iowa!

Alex


I guess Cape can't pull their intention to leave and keep it?


They could, but the community needs to agree.

An early sign Burlington is ready to move on to Southern perhaps?



Or a "return" of sorts of Air Choice One, except now with interline connectivity! URL appeared to be happy with Air Choice One, for the most part.

Btw how many pilots are on Cape Air's roster right now? Are they still hovering in the lower 50s?
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:46 pm

Interesting observation today at KPAH. Contour has been selected to continue EAS service to Charlotte after SkyWest pulled out. Now, SkyWest has added a 1-stop Chicago/Paducah flight through Decatur. Hopefully SkyWest will continue service to Paducah even if it isn’t under an EAS contract.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:51 pm

btfarrwm wrote:
Interesting observation today at KPAH. Contour has been selected to continue EAS service to Charlotte after SkyWest pulled out. Now, SkyWest has added a 1-stop Chicago/Paducah flight through Decatur. Hopefully SkyWest will continue service to Paducah even if it isn’t under an EAS contract.


No they are dropping it on Dec 5 if I am correct.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:55 pm

btfarrwm wrote:
Interesting observation today at KPAH. Contour has been selected to continue EAS service to Charlotte after SkyWest pulled out. Now, SkyWest has added a 1-stop Chicago/Paducah flight through Decatur. Hopefully SkyWest will continue service to Paducah even if it isn’t under an EAS contract.


No they are dropping it on Dec 5 if I am correct.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:57 pm

Pinto wrote:
btfarrwm wrote:
Interesting observation today at KPAH. Contour has been selected to continue EAS service to Charlotte after SkyWest pulled out. Now, SkyWest has added a 1-stop Chicago/Paducah flight through Decatur. Hopefully SkyWest will continue service to Paducah even if it isn’t under an EAS contract.


No they are dropping it on Dec 5 if I am correct.


That may be, but they are flying this route until 11/30. Maybe they are trying it out to see if it’s worth keeping.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221018-uaoct22decpah
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:50 am

btfarrwm wrote:
Interesting observation today at KPAH. Contour has been selected to continue EAS service to Charlotte after SkyWest pulled out. Now, SkyWest has added a 1-stop Chicago/Paducah flight through Decatur. Hopefully SkyWest will continue service to Paducah even if it isn’t under an EAS contract.


This was to replace the CGI-PAH-ORD route that was currently being flown until SkyWest pulled out of CGI.

So instead of CGI-PAH, it is now DEC-PAH.

This is not a new or additional flight.

One flight is non stop ORD-PAH-ORD, and the other is ORD-DEC-PAH-DEC-ORD.

December 5th will be the last day, and Contour will take over December 6th.

You cannot even book a UA flight out of PAH on Dec 6th or forward.

Alex
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:50 am

For the markets due in January next year, Skywest has put a bid in for Houghton under traditional EAS. Nothing at Dodge City though. Wondering if they are going to bother at all.

Scottsbluff and North Platte are open for bidding until early November so a couple of weeks left for those 2.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:46 pm

It appears the OO Michigan "milk runs" under the DL brand have come to an end. Wonder why that changed.

Peace :box:
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:36 pm

BangersAndMash wrote:
For the markets due in January next year, Skywest has put a bid in for Houghton under traditional EAS. Nothing at Dodge City though. Wondering if they are going to bother at all.

Scottsbluff and North Platte are open for bidding until early November so a couple of weeks left for those 2.


A couple more for Key Lime/Denver Air to pick up
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Wed Oct 26, 2022 2:25 pm

I flew with Denver Air Connection last week on both their AIA and MCK turns from Denver. The crews told me they just acquired 2 more passenger Metroliners. While no mention was made of what KG would/could do with them, BFF and LBF would be excellent candidates.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Wed Oct 26, 2022 2:41 pm

BangersAndMash wrote:
william wrote:
So Ft Leonard Wood looses its ORD flight for one that flies to DFW. Trying to find a schedule, how many flights are there between DFW and Ft. Leonard Wood?


1x daily to DFW + 5x weekly to BNA

In several AEAS markets they serve (CEC and TUP spring to mind), they routinely add unsubsidised flights when demand warrants. It'll be interesting to see if they do the same here.


Considering that TBN was EAS, how did Contour get away with flying DFW and BNA when the proposal was Twice Daily to BNA?

I don’t see any filings for the change. AEAS, I understand it is not necessarily, but this is EAS.

Alex
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:05 pm

atrude777 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
william wrote:
So Ft Leonard Wood looses its ORD flight for one that flies to DFW. Trying to find a schedule, how many flights are there between DFW and Ft. Leonard Wood?


1x daily to DFW + 5x weekly to BNA

In several AEAS markets they serve (CEC and TUP spring to mind), they routinely add unsubsidised flights when demand warrants. It'll be interesting to see if they do the same here.


Considering that TBN was EAS, how did Contour get away with flying DFW and BNA when the proposal was Twice Daily to BNA?

I don’t see any filings for the change. AEAS, I understand it is not necessarily, but this is EAS.

Alex


The paperwork for the variation has been filed.

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/DOT-OST-1996-1167/document?postedDateFrom=2022-10-01&postedDateTo=2022-10-15
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:23 pm

BangersAndMash wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:

1x daily to DFW + 5x weekly to BNA

In several AEAS markets they serve (CEC and TUP spring to mind), they routinely add unsubsidised flights when demand warrants. It'll be interesting to see if they do the same here.


Considering that TBN was EAS, how did Contour get away with flying DFW and BNA when the proposal was Twice Daily to BNA?

I don’t see any filings for the change. AEAS, I understand it is not necessarily, but this is EAS.

Alex


The paperwork for the variation has been filed.

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/DOT-OST-1996-1167/document?postedDateFrom=2022-10-01&postedDateTo=2022-10-15


Interesting the money didn't change even though the stage is longer. Ticket price is the same, so they either was to rotate some planes thru DFW and/or they think they can get more ticket sales on that leg (Which I would guess is true).
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:25 pm

BangersAndMash wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:

1x daily to DFW + 5x weekly to BNA

In several AEAS markets they serve (CEC and TUP spring to mind), they routinely add unsubsidised flights when demand warrants. It'll be interesting to see if they do the same here.


Considering that TBN was EAS, how did Contour get away with flying DFW and BNA when the proposal was Twice Daily to BNA?

I don’t see any filings for the change. AEAS, I understand it is not necessarily, but this is EAS.

Alex


The paperwork for the variation has been filed.

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/DOT-OST-1996-1167/document?postedDateFrom=2022-10-01&postedDateTo=2022-10-15


Man, that took DOT awhile to post it!

I had been searching each week for it.

Thanks for the link!

I had heard PAH had requested a split BNA/CLT but Contour had said No.

Alex
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Wed Oct 26, 2022 9:02 pm

atrude777 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
atrude777 wrote:

Considering that TBN was EAS, how did Contour get away with flying DFW and BNA when the proposal was Twice Daily to BNA?

I don’t see any filings for the change. AEAS, I understand it is not necessarily, but this is EAS.

Alex


The paperwork for the variation has been filed.

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/DOT-OST-1996-1167/document?postedDateFrom=2022-10-01&postedDateTo=2022-10-15


Man, that took DOT awhile to post it!

I had been searching each week for it.

Thanks for the link!

I had heard PAH had requested a split BNA/CLT but Contour had said No.

Alex


That was the speed of light by DOT standards! :lol: Still waiting for some of the comments from the OO markets 3-4 months later. I guess filing is pretty low down the priority list at DOT.

Interestingly, I heard Altoona wanted to swap PHL for CLT and Contour also allegedly said No. Although they didn't shut the door completely, but they did say it would require substantially more subsidies.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:03 pm

DOT has selected Southern Airways Express for PUB-Pueblo, Colorado.

Service on Southern is expected to begin by January 15th, 2023.

PUB originally declined due to the Single Engine Proposals. Southern's Proposal will use King Air 200, Two Engine to satisfy PUB's Requirement.

DOT Source: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -6589-0166

Alex
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:01 am

Maybe this explains why Cape is rebidding Burlington and not just rescinding their notice to leave

https://ktvo.com/news/local/cape-air-te ... enegotiate

Giving 90 day notice to Kirksville. They don't really want to leave but want more money, which means they have to let everyone bid.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:49 am

atrude777 wrote:
DOT has selected Southern Airways Express for PUB-Pueblo, Colorado.

Service on Southern is expected to begin by January 15th, 2023.

PUB originally declined due to the Single Engine Proposals. Southern's Proposal will use King Air 200, Two Engine to satisfy PUB's Requirement.

DOT Source: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -6589-0166

Alex


Southern promised to use a King Air at CDR and, after nearly a year and a half, they're still using a Caravan. Good luck with that, PUB.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:00 pm

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Southern promised to use a King Air at CDR and, after nearly a year and a half, they're still using a Caravan. Good luck with that, PUB.


Southern misrepresenting their intentions and taking years to follow through (ahem, interline deals)??? Say it isnt so. Shocking!
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:25 pm

Southern Airways Express has submitted proposals for 3 of the Arkansas Cities for EAS.

Hot Springs: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -2935-0435

El Dorado/Camden: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -2935-0434

Harrison: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -2935-0436

Southern is offering DFW for all 3 cities, and Hot Springs and El Dorado is DFW/MEM...Harrison is DFW/STL, but Southern will offer MEM at the communities discretion.

Alex
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sat Oct 29, 2022 2:44 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Maybe this explains why Cape is rebidding Burlington and not just rescinding their notice to leave

https://ktvo.com/news/local/cape-air-te ... enegotiate

Giving 90 day notice to Kirksville. They don't really want to leave but want more money, which means they have to let everyone bid.


To add to Jshank83, Cape Air also filed to terminate MWA and OWB with the same hope to renegotiate like IRK.


Source: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -7855-0185

Alex
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:18 pm

BangersAndMash wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:


Man, that took DOT awhile to post it!

I had been searching each week for it.

Thanks for the link!

I had heard PAH had requested a split BNA/CLT but Contour had said No.

Alex

They would have to add another aircraft and crew to be able to add CLT. It looks like AOO is being run with inside turns from the aircraft operating OGD and PBG.
That was the speed of light by DOT standards! :lol: Still waiting for some of the comments from the OO markets 3-4 months later. I guess filing is pretty low down the priority list at DOT.

Interestingly, I heard Altoona wanted to swap PHL for CLT and Contour also allegedly said No. Although they didn't shut the door completely, but they did say it would require substantially more subsidies.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:42 pm

atrude777 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Maybe this explains why Cape is rebidding Burlington and not just rescinding their notice to leave

https://ktvo.com/news/local/cape-air-te ... enegotiate

Giving 90 day notice to Kirksville. They don't really want to leave but want more money, which means they have to let everyone bid.


To add to Jshank83, Cape Air also filed to terminate MWA and OWB with the same hope to renegotiate like IRK.


Source: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -7855-0185

Alex


Going down the Boutique Air route then. And we all know how well that ended! :roll:
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:33 pm

Proposals for Massena, NY are in...

Background: Boutique filed to terminate with the intention to rebid at a higher rate.

4 Airlines submitted proposals...

Contour: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -0163-0081
***Offering service to PHL, with an option to fly 6 weekly to BWI if community approves

Boutique Air: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -0163-0080
***Offering service to BWI and BOS

Southern Airways Express: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -0163-0081
***Offering service to BOS

Air Charter Express: https://downloads.regulations.gov/DOT-O ... ment_1.pdf
***Offering service to BOS and ALB



Boutique Air also filed for the 3 Arkansas Cities as Southern did...
All the bids were to DFW-Dallas/FT. Worth

Alex
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Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:48 pm

ACE misspelled the word "fare" in their proposal.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:35 pm

atrude777 wrote:
Proposals for Massena, NY are in...

Background: Boutique filed to terminate with the intention to rebid at a higher rate.

4 Airlines submitted proposals...

Contour: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -0163-0081
***Offering service to PHL, with an option to fly 6 weekly to BWI if community approves

Boutique Air: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -0163-0080
***Offering service to BWI and BOS

Southern Airways Express: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -0163-0081
***Offering service to BOS

Air Charter Express: https://downloads.regulations.gov/DOT-O ... ment_1.pdf
***Offering service to BOS and ALB



Boutique Air also filed for the 3 Arkansas Cities as Southern did...
All the bids were to DFW-Dallas/FT. Worth

Alex

I’d love to see Contour at MSS but have they completed the work on their runway, I seem to remember OO getting picked for MSS and then having to go back to Boutique because the runway couldn’t accommodate jets.
Also which Air Charter Express, the one out of Freight Runners or the weird semi-virtual one?
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sun Oct 30, 2022 7:27 pm

SYRAVGEEK wrote:
I’d love to see Contour at MSS but have they completed the work on their runway, I seem to remember OO getting picked for MSS and then having to go back to Boutique because the runway couldn’t accommodate jets.


No, no. MSS is a Class II airport, which disqualifies scheduled operations for airplanes with more than 30 seats.

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SYRAVGEEK wrote:
Also which Air Charter Express, the one out of Freight Runners or the weird semi-virtual one?


The Navajo operator based at RME.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sun Oct 30, 2022 9:01 pm

BangersAndMash wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Maybe this explains why Cape is rebidding Burlington and not just rescinding their notice to leave

https://ktvo.com/news/local/cape-air-te ... enegotiate

Giving 90 day notice to Kirksville. They don't really want to leave but want more money, which means they have to let everyone bid.


To add to Jshank83, Cape Air also filed to terminate MWA and OWB with the same hope to renegotiate like IRK.


Source: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -7855-0185

Alex


Going down the Boutique Air route then. And we all know how well that ended! :roll:


I expect Southern and Boutique to bid for MWA, Cape Air too, and Contour? I imagine Contour would go the AEAS route?

SkyWest may try to bid, as they did in 2019, but they still don’t have DOT approval for the SkyWest Charter.

MWA may just still want to go along with Cape Air anyway!

Alex
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Sun Oct 30, 2022 9:49 pm

atrude777 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
atrude777 wrote:

To add to Jshank83, Cape Air also filed to terminate MWA and OWB with the same hope to renegotiate like IRK.


Source: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -7855-0185

Alex


Going down the Boutique Air route then. And we all know how well that ended! :roll:


I expect Southern and Boutique to bid for MWA, Cape Air too, and Contour? I imagine Contour would go the AEAS route?

SkyWest may try to bid, as they did in 2019, but they still don’t have DOT approval for the SkyWest Charter.

MWA may just still want to go along with Cape Air anyway!

Alex


Dual engine will have the advantage. If southern doesn’t bid a dual engine I can’t see MWA waiving dual engines.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines News and Discussion Thread - 2022

Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:34 am

atrude777 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Maybe this explains why Cape is rebidding Burlington and not just rescinding their notice to leave

https://ktvo.com/news/local/cape-air-te ... enegotiate

Giving 90 day notice to Kirksville. They don't really want to leave but want more money, which means they have to let everyone bid.


To add to Jshank83, Cape Air also filed to terminate MWA and OWB with the same hope to renegotiate like IRK.


Source: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -7855-0185

Alex


The Southern in Carbondale had a great article about the Cape Air Situation for IRK, MWA and OWB but focuses on the details surrounding MWA.

https://thesouthern.com/news/local/comm ... 4cac6.html

SkyWest: Skywest submitted a proposal for air service in Marion in 2019, but they have pulled out of many of their smaller airports, such as Paducah and Cape Girardeau. Kimmel said they wanted to get back into smaller markets, but they may not be ready to do that in January. They have to have the pilots and planes to offer service.

Cape Air Rebid: He added that this is also an opportunity for Cape Air to adjust their schedule of flights from the airport based on ridership. They may add new fights to Nashville or drop the Nashville flights based on the riders they have on their planes.

As someone who uses the Southern Illinois Region Air Service, I too am curious who will bid in addition to Cape Air.

Alex
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:20 am

So BFF, LBF, DDC and LBL have all filed for an extension to the bidding period.

I frankly doubt it's going to make much of a difference. OO Charters is clearly not ready and with OO admitting they need to cut flying by another 20%, we all know where the axe will fall. Time to wake up and smell the roses?
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:08 pm

BangersAndMash wrote:
So BFF, LBF, DDC and LBL have all filed for an extension to the bidding period.

I frankly doubt it's going to make much of a difference. OO Charters is clearly not ready and with OO admitting they need to cut flying by another 20%, we all know where the axe will fall. Time to wake up and smell the roses?


What is their alternative though? Single engine turboprop service on Southern? It’s a death nell to their airports’ marketing ability. It’s obvious why these communities are holding out until the very end in hopes OO comes through.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:40 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
So BFF, LBF, DDC and LBL have all filed for an extension to the bidding period.

What is their alternative though? Single engine turboprop service on Southern? It’s a death nell to their airports’ marketing ability. It’s obvious why these communities are holding out until the very end in hopes OO comes through.


They need to start aggressively courting Denver Air Connection. DAC is in the process of adding additional Metroliners to the fleet and could at least offer twin prop service in the interim. Post deregulation, BFF was mostly a 19 seater destination. At times, it was served by Dash 7s, EMB-120s, and B1900s with only 9 seats — but overall, 19 seats was the norm.

They’ve been spoiled with the 50-seat jet and don’t want to lose it, but it is time to realize that it isn’t sustainable and begin courting the next best thing.

Ryan
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:56 pm

atrude777 wrote:
Proposals for Massena, NY are in...

Background: Boutique filed to terminate with the intention to rebid at a higher rate.

4 Airlines submitted proposals...

Contour: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -0163-0081
***Offering service to PHL, with an option to fly 6 weekly to BWI if community approves

Boutique Air: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -0163-0080
***Offering service to BWI and BOS

Southern Airways Express: https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -0163-0081
***Offering service to BOS

Air Charter Express: https://downloads.regulations.gov/DOT-O ... ment_1.pdf
***Offering service to BOS and ALB



Boutique Air also filed for the 3 Arkansas Cities as Southern did...
All the bids were to DFW-Dallas/FT. Worth

Alex


Is this the Freight Runner's Air Charter Express (ACE), or someone else with a similarly generic name? The logo is 5th-grade design quality.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:01 pm

theAviationGeek wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
So BFF, LBF, DDC and LBL have all filed for an extension to the bidding period.

What is their alternative though? Single engine turboprop service on Southern? It’s a death nell to their airports’ marketing ability. It’s obvious why these communities are holding out until the very end in hopes OO comes through.


They need to start aggressively courting Denver Air Connection. DAC is in the process of adding additional Metroliners to the fleet and could at least offer twin prop service in the interim. Post deregulation, BFF was mostly a 19 seater destination. At times, it was served by Dash 7s, EMB-120s, and B1900s with only 9 seats — but overall, 19 seats was the norm.

They’ve been spoiled with the 50-seat jet and don’t want to lose it, but it is time to realize that it isn’t sustainable and begin courting the next best thing.

Ryan

They can court anyone they want to, but without pilots to fly the planes, it isn’t going to make any difference.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:32 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
So BFF, LBF, DDC and LBL have all filed for an extension to the bidding period.

I frankly doubt it's going to make much of a difference. OO Charters is clearly not ready and with OO admitting they need to cut flying by another 20%, we all know where the axe will fall. Time to wake up and smell the roses?


What is their alternative though? Single engine turboprop service on Southern? It’s a death nell to their airports’ marketing ability. It’s obvious why these communities are holding out until the very end in hopes OO comes through.


A reliable turboprop operation has got to be better than the current s**tshow OO is offering. Because one a day tagged, if you're lucky, is doing damage to their marketing ability too. If you read Laramie's submission to DOT, folks are now driving down to Denver because it's nearly quicker than take the poor excuse of a service from OO, which operates via BFF (when it operates at all).

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