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SyracuseAvGeek
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Wed May 11, 2022 2:02 pm

BangersAndMash wrote:
Mad rush of activity at DOT. Maybe they realised 29 applications are coming in? Who knows.

Anyhoo, Show Low has been awarded to Southern Airways Express. No surprise since they had the community's recommendation.

2 year contract, on PC-12, 18x weekly to PHX. Modest increase in subsidy to c. $2M a year.

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-1998-4409-0151


Comments for Cortez were due before Show Low, yet any news on the Cortez front is still silent. Hopefully they’ll post that decision before the 29 community bids are released.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Wed May 11, 2022 2:34 pm

Chuska wrote:
vfw614 wrote:
Am I correct that Merced (to LAS, LAX) is currently operated with a King Air and no longer with a PC12?


Looks like a King Air 350 is now scheduled for MCE now but AN has been running a PC-12 lately. One of those markets that goes either way.


Thanks. So not a safe bet for avgeeks trying to collect aircraft types...

At least for some dates I checked in August their booking engine shows a "BET" and in GDS the aircraft is listed as a "Hawker Beechcraft light aircraft", so the standard type at least on paper now appears to be the King Air. Good for those who want to fly on a King Air for relatively little money as it is quite an exotic type for scheduled services.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Wed May 11, 2022 5:02 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
Mad rush of activity at DOT. Maybe they realised 29 applications are coming in? Who knows.

Anyhoo, Show Low has been awarded to Southern Airways Express. No surprise since they had the community's recommendation.

2 year contract, on PC-12, 18x weekly to PHX. Modest increase in subsidy to c. $2M a year.

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-1998-4409-0151


Comments for Cortez were due before Show Low, yet any news on the Cortez front is still silent. Hopefully they’ll post that decision before the 29 community bids are released.


The contract at Cortez is only expiring 30 Sep. They have plenty of time still. I'm sure it'll crawl to a conclusion somehow.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Wed May 11, 2022 9:00 pm

vfw614 wrote:
Chuska wrote:
vfw614 wrote:
Am I correct that Merced (to LAS, LAX) is currently operated with a King Air and no longer with a PC12?


Looks like a King Air 350 is now scheduled for MCE now but AN has been running a PC-12 lately. One of those markets that goes either way.


Thanks. So not a safe bet for avgeeks trying to collect aircraft types...

At least for some dates I checked in August their booking engine shows a "BET" and in GDS the aircraft is listed as a "Hawker Beechcraft light aircraft", so the standard type at least on paper now appears to be the King Air. Good for those who want to fly on a King Air for relatively little money as it is quite an exotic type for scheduled services.


AN is also running the King Air to SVC.

I booked ABQ-SVC-PHX on AN for $173, with tax. It would be easy to take AN one way between PHX and ABQ, and AA or WN the other way, if you want to log the King Air.

To put things in perspective, Uber from PHX to Scottsdale was $55, plus tip, and ABQ is a lot further from PHX than Scottsdale is.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Wed May 11, 2022 10:24 pm

WA707atMSP wrote:
vfw614 wrote:
Chuska wrote:

Looks like a King Air 350 is now scheduled for MCE now but AN has been running a PC-12 lately. One of those markets that goes either way.


Thanks. So not a safe bet for avgeeks trying to collect aircraft types...

At least for some dates I checked in August their booking engine shows a "BET" and in GDS the aircraft is listed as a "Hawker Beechcraft light aircraft", so the standard type at least on paper now appears to be the King Air. Good for those who want to fly on a King Air for relatively little money as it is quite an exotic type for scheduled services.


AN is also running the King Air to SVC.

I booked ABQ-SVC-PHX on AN for $173, with tax. It would be easy to take AN one way between PHX and ABQ, and AA or WN the other way, if you want to log the King Air.

To put things in perspective, Uber from PHX to Scottsdale was $55, plus tip, and ABQ is a lot further from PHX than Scottsdale is.


I had a Lyft ride that was $33 with tip from Scottsdale airport area to PHX a couple weeks ago. Uber is overcharging you. Haha.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Wed May 11, 2022 11:50 pm

MO11 wrote:
vfw614 wrote:
Am I correct that Merced (to LAS, LAX) is currently operated with a King Air and no longer with a PC12?


It was a PC-12 yesterday.


Both can be used. Lately Advanced Air has been using the PC12 at Merced.

Additionally, TSA will return and begin screening flights at Merced starting May 16. Advanced Air should begin operating the MCE flights out of the passenger terminals on LAX and LAS after that.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Thu May 12, 2022 1:41 am

BangersAndMash wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
Mad rush of activity at DOT. Maybe they realised 29 applications are coming in? Who knows.

Anyhoo, Show Low has been awarded to Southern Airways Express. No surprise since they had the community's recommendation.

2 year contract, on PC-12, 18x weekly to PHX. Modest increase in subsidy to c. $2M a year.

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-1998-4409-0151


Comments for Cortez were due before Show Low, yet any news on the Cortez front is still silent. Hopefully they’ll post that decision before the 29 community bids are released.


The contract at Cortez is only expiring 30 Sep. They have plenty of time still. I'm sure it'll crawl to a conclusion somehow.


I drove thru Cortez the other day and stopped in the terminal but there wasn't a single other person in there. I was hoping to get some inside info but no luck.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Thu May 12, 2022 1:45 am

FATFlyer wrote:
MO11 wrote:
vfw614 wrote:
Am I correct that Merced (to LAS, LAX) is currently operated with a King Air and no longer with a PC12?


It was a PC-12 yesterday.


Both can be used. Lately Advanced Air has been using the PC12 at Merced.

Additionally, TSA will return and begin screening flights at Merced starting May 16. Advanced Air should begin operating the MCE flights out of the passenger terminals on LAX and LAS after that.


I saw at LAS this AM there was Advanced Air signage adjacent Avelo's counter. Guess eventually they'd be there.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Thu May 12, 2022 6:02 pm

A couple proposals posted.

Denver Air bid Salina
https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... 11376-0214

Boutique and Southern bid Fort Dodge to MSP
https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... 10682-0264

Side comment. MKL-MEM is being added by Southern. Sunday only in summer. I think it is connecting on to Destin.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Thu May 12, 2022 6:55 pm

Dodge city was bid by Southern and Boutique but they uploaded the wrong proposals (Altoona) so I am not sure what they are.
https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -3502-0121
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Thu May 12, 2022 8:20 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Dodge city was bid by Southern and Boutique but they uploaded the wrong proposals (Altoona) so I am not sure what they are.
https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -3502-0121


That is hilarious, the DOT done goofed. I wonder why it’s taking so long to get the rest of the proposals up, yeah I know there are a lot of them but it just seems weird they did two of them and DACs Salina proposal and then stopped

As a sidenote, I really hope when they do post them they are in their own folders like Dodge city and Fort Dodge are, would make it a lot easier from a reading standpoint rather than searching through the lists of the airlines and contracts.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 2:02 am

Regarding Paducah, Kentucky-PAH

While the bids aren't uploaded yet through DOT, Paducah has confirmed with the media they have received three bids.

Southern Airways Express and Boutique to Nashville-BNA
Contour Airlines to CLT (This surprised me, I thought Contour cannot bid on EAS?)

Source: https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/barkley ... 31752.html

Alex
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 9:11 am

atrude777 wrote:
Regarding Paducah, Kentucky-PAH

While the bids aren't uploaded yet through DOT, Paducah has confirmed with the media they have received three bids.

Southern Airways Express and Boutique to Nashville-BNA
Contour Airlines to CLT (This surprised me, I thought Contour cannot bid on EAS?)

Source: https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/barkley ... 31752.html

Alex


These are press reports, not official proposals to DOT. Contour is likely not EAS. My guess is we'll go through the usual 2 stop process. Good to see them have a go.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 3:10 pm

Hays, KS
Boutique only to DEN

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... 15553-0178

Dodge City also updated.

Both Boutique and Southern to DEN.

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -3502-0121
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 3:46 pm

atrude777 wrote:
Regarding Paducah, Kentucky-PAH

While the bids aren't uploaded yet through DOT, Paducah has confirmed with the media they have received three bids.

Southern Airways Express and Boutique to Nashville-BNA
Contour Airlines to CLT (This surprised me, I thought Contour cannot bid on EAS?)

Source: https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/barkley ... 31752.html

Alex


I imagine PAH will try to keep 1x Daily Skywest to ORD.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 4:14 pm

Just an amateur, but seems a really big decrease in service from 2x CRJ to aircraft with room for 12. I'm sure it's better than no service, but seems to mostly appeal to business traveler and other solo flyers. Hard to imagine a family of four heading to Disney using this option instead of just driving to the nearest large airport.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 5:50 pm

Pinto wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
Regarding Paducah, Kentucky-PAH

While the bids aren't uploaded yet through DOT, Paducah has confirmed with the media they have received three bids.

Southern Airways Express and Boutique to Nashville-BNA
Contour Airlines to CLT (This surprised me, I thought Contour cannot bid on EAS?)

Source: https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/barkley ... 31752.html

Alex


I imagine PAH will try to keep 1x Daily Skywest to ORD.


The article seems to infer otherwise if they're trying to find a replacement carrier before the contract is up, as stated.

Frankly, they'd be stupid to stay with OO when Contour gives them 2x daily jet service.

And I'm pretty sure they will find a sympathetic ear at DOT if it gets the current OO s**t show off their plate. Unlike pretty much every other EAS carrier, LF has remained a model of reliability. They continue to have excellent operational stats, and haven't terminated any markets. Anyway, OO's 1x daily is below minimum EAS standards, so that's problematic to start with.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 5:55 pm

Sucks for Hays IMO. They should pay 4B NOT to serve them LOL.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 6:10 pm

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Sucks for Hays IMO. They should pay 4B NOT to serve them LOL.


Yep. Those who can attract interest from KG and LF are the winners here.

For the others, it's back to turboprops or swallow your pride and accept OO's lame offering to keep jet service. Not an easy choice.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 7:34 pm

Contour Airlines has bid on the following cities...

Cape Girardeau, MO DOT-OST-1996-1559
Clarksburg, WV DOT-OST-2005-20736
Fort Leonard Wood, MO DOT-OST-1996-1167
Greenbrier/Lewisburg, WV DOT-OST-2003-15553
Hattiesburg/Laurel, MS DOT-OST-2001-10685
Johnstown, PA DOT-OST-2002-11451
Paducah, KY DOT-OST-2009-0299
Staunton, VA DOT-OST-2002-11378

BNA or CLT will be the Hub Options.

Guess Contour is getting back into the EAS Business?!

Alex
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 7:46 pm

atrude777 wrote:
Contour Airlines has bid on the following cities...



Guess Contour is getting back into the EAS Business?!

Alex


It says on each proposal, "All flights conducted as 14 CFR Part 380 public charters". Unless the EAS regulation changed the day before yesterday, this bid cannot be accepted under EAS.

But it would be interesting to see what additional airplanes it would acquire.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 8:07 pm

Seems like the dollars on these bids are a lot higher than normal. But they probably also know they have DOT in a corner.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 8:10 pm

 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 8:23 pm

Here is an interesting one
Kearney, NE
RAVN Alaska!!! to DEN on a Dash 8-300
Boutique
DAC

North Platte also on the RAVN bid
https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -1715-0163
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 8:32 pm

Contour's proposal to Paducah, which has now been uploaded, contains details of all the markets they're pitching for.

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/DOT-OST-2009-0299/document?postedDateFrom=2022-05-13&postedDateTo=2022-05-13

These include:
- PAH to CLT
- CGI to BNA
- CKB to CLT
- TBN to BNA (that one's a bit of a surprise; they didn't seem to have parted in good terms when TBN went for OO)
- LWB to CLT
- PIB to BNA
- JST to CLT
- SHD to CLT

They are really going for it! And they have a good chance of winning all of these.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 8:35 pm

As a 9K employee, I'd love to see us bid for more, but the truth is we're stretched to thin. Only ~70 pilots in the whole network this month, with a dismal 92% completion rate for the month of April.

Frankly, if I trust anyone for these new cities, it's Contour, with Southern and DAC close behind. As for Boutique, well, they'd better get their shit together.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 8:51 pm

atrude777 wrote:
Contour Airlines has bid on the following cities...

Cape Girardeau, MO DOT-OST-1996-1559
Clarksburg, WV DOT-OST-2005-20736
Fort Leonard Wood, MO DOT-OST-1996-1167
Greenbrier/Lewisburg, WV DOT-OST-2003-15553
Hattiesburg/Laurel, MS DOT-OST-2001-10685
Johnstown, PA DOT-OST-2002-11451
Paducah, KY DOT-OST-2009-0299
Staunton, VA DOT-OST-2002-11378

BNA or CLT will be the Hub Options.

Guess Contour is getting back into the EAS Business?!

Alex


You've beaten me to the punch! :D

I don't think it's under EAS. Although it doesn't say one way or the other in the proposal, the document include this wording in the small prints: "Service contingent on the community waiving their right to scheduled service"

That says to me it's their usual public charter arrangement, so I'm expecting AEAS.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 8:57 pm

Looks like DEC only got one bid.
Southern split to ORD/STL
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 9:08 pm

Another one in the surprising category: Sun Country is bidding at Eau Claire with 737 equipment (quite the upgrade!) to MSP, along with Boutique and Southern.

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-2009-0306-0048
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 9:12 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Here is an interesting one
Kearney, NE
RAVN Alaska!!! to DEN on a Dash 8-300
Boutique
DAC

North Platte also on the RAVN bid
https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... -1715-0163


They had such 'success' with PenAir, and I feel they will get about same with RAVN....although I would like to see it, if it was run well.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 9:17 pm

I think Boutique erred in stating our service will be with 8 or 9 PC12s....whereas I believe they meant to state 8 or 9 passenger PC12 as stated earlier in their proposals. Seems like they might have looked thru it before submitting.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 9:22 pm

BangersAndMash wrote:
Another one in the surprising category: Sun Country is bidding at Eau Claire with 737 equipment (quite the upgrade!) to MSP, along with Boutique and Southern.

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-2009-0306-0048


What on earth? Eau Claire to MSP airport is not even 100 miles.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 9:28 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
Another one in the surprising category: Sun Country is bidding at Eau Claire with 737 equipment (quite the upgrade!) to MSP, along with Boutique and Southern.

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-2009-0306-0048


What on earth? Eau Claire to MSP airport is not even 100 miles.


Important detail is missing: SY is also proposing service from EAU-RSW/MCO/LAS. Seems they are trying to use funding to make it a low risk venture
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 9:31 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
Another one in the surprising category: Sun Country is bidding at Eau Claire with 737 equipment (quite the upgrade!) to MSP, along with Boutique and Southern.

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-2009-0306-0048


What on earth? Eau Claire to MSP airport is not even 100 miles.


Yep. 2x weekly (which doesn't meet EAS guidelines incidentally), along with Landline buses (outside the EAS subsidy), as well as flights to LAS, MCO, and RSW (not clear about these, but presumably not covered by the subsidy either?).

EDIT: it looks like LAS/MCO/RSW are covered by the subsidy.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 9:33 pm

BangersAndMash wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
Another one in the surprising category: Sun Country is bidding at Eau Claire with 737 equipment (quite the upgrade!) to MSP, along with Boutique and Southern.

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-2009-0306-0048


What on earth? Eau Claire to MSP airport is not even 100 miles.


Yep. 2x weekly (which doesn't meet EAS guidelines incidentally), along with Landline buses (outside the EAS subsidy), as well as flights to LAS, MCO, and RSW (not clear about these, but presumably not covered by the subsidy either?).


The second to last slide seems to make it pretty clear they actually do intend to subsidize the vacation service if selected

Which brings up an interesting discussion: if SY is selected here, this opens up a whole new potential target point for ULCCs in EAS markets
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 10:10 pm

BangersAndMash wrote:
Contour's proposal to Paducah, which has now been uploaded, contains details of all the markets they're pitching for.

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/DOT-OST-2009-0299/document?postedDateFrom=2022-05-13&postedDateTo=2022-05-13

These include:
- PAH to CLT
- CGI to BNA
- CKB to CLT
- TBN to BNA (that one's a bit of a surprise; they didn't seem to have parted in good terms when TBN went for OO)
- LWB to CLT
- PIB to BNA
- JST to CLT
- SHD to CLT

They are really going for it! And they have a good chance of winning all of these.


With AA interline tickets/bags in place (so says Contour's web site), this actually makes some sense.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Fri May 13, 2022 10:53 pm

Denver Air Connection has been awarded the contract at Alamosa, starting June 8, for 2 years. One of the markets terminated by OO. 12x weekly to Denver on Dornier 328 or ERJ 145.

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/DOT-OST-1997-2960/document?postedDateFrom=2022-05-13&postedDateTo=2022-05-13
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat May 14, 2022 12:00 am

Jshank83 wrote:
Seems like the dollars on these bids are a lot higher than normal. But they probably also know they have DOT in a corner.

Cost of everything has skyrocketed, from gas to pilots to maint techs.

You pay the price, or you don’t get them. The math is pretty simple at this point.

I am seeing CRJ/CL-65 operators offering $125-150k for street Captains. If you are at Air Whiskey or Skywest, that has to be damned tempting.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat May 14, 2022 12:01 am

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Ouch.

I mean, I wasn't expecting much given the current state of the industry, but I have a feeling this will be the death knell for passenger airline service at MKG.

At one time, MKG was a convenient alternative to GRR when they had frequent service to MKE and DTW, and GRR was still mostly served by smaller regional aircraft — but between GRR's growth, industry consolidation, and the shift away from smaller regional aircraft, MKG doesn't really offer a whole lot of advantage anymore. Only the budget-conscious and/or the die-hard MKG travelers are going to choose a 9-seat Caravan over driving to GRR and hopping aboard a CRJ, E-jet, or mainline aircraft.

MKG's best hope for growth, as an airport, is to find a way to attract the "back-end" of the industry: manufacturing, support, etc. The airfield itself has a ton of potential for growth, and I'd like to think the location does as well, but not for airline service.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat May 14, 2022 12:03 am

joeblow10 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:

What on earth? Eau Claire to MSP airport is not even 100 miles.


Yep. 2x weekly (which doesn't meet EAS guidelines incidentally), along with Landline buses (outside the EAS subsidy), as well as flights to LAS, MCO, and RSW (not clear about these, but presumably not covered by the subsidy either?).


The second to last slide seems to make it pretty clear they actually do intend to subsidize the vacation service if selected

Which brings up an interesting discussion: if SY is selected here, this opens up a whole new potential target point for ULCCs in EAS markets

Getting paid to park a 737 overnight, instead of paying to park it at MSP or elsewhere is a pretty good deal.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat May 14, 2022 12:10 am

Although Salina has said in the news what airlines are bidding, there is still nothing on regulations.

Devils lake ; Jamestown, ND ; Houghton, Mason city and Sioux City

All have been pretty silent and have had no proposal submitted yet. Mason city I’m surprised about as it’s close relatively to Fort Dodge.

The rest of those cities are all pretty far from the nearest hub. Houghton is at the very top of Michigan’s upper Peninsula, both the cities in North Dakota are far from any hub with the closest one being Minneapolis or Denver. In Sioux City is also pretty evenly split between Chicago and Denver. Could it be possible that we have some cities that will not have any applicants/bidder?
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat May 14, 2022 12:20 am

BangersAndMash wrote:
I don't think it's under EAS. Although it doesn't say one way or the other in the proposal, the document include this wording in the small prints: "Service contingent on the community waiving their right to scheduled service"

That says to me it's their usual public charter arrangement, so I'm expecting AEAS.


Again, the airline can't bid on AEAS. The community must apply for a grant under AEAS. But the clause "Service contingent on the community waiving their right to scheduled service" seems to be taking a different angle.

If you look at the email that the DOT analyst sent to the community, there is the paragraph: These proposals may need certain waivers from basic EAS requirements to be selected. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/41732. Let us know if you have questions.

Section 41732(c) says: Notwithstanding section 41733(e), upon request by an eligible place, the Secretary may waive, in whole or in part, subsections (a) and (b) of this section or subsections (a) through (c) of section 41734. . Section 41734 deals with ending, suspending, or reducing service (which is what Skywest is doing - communities are currently requesting reduction in Skywest flying).

But 41732 (a) says:

(a) General.—Basic essential air service provided under section 41733 of this title is scheduled air transportation of passengers and cargo—

(1) to a hub airport that has convenient connecting or single-plane air service to a substantial number of destinations beyond that airport; or

(2) to a small hub or nonhub airport, when in Alaska or when the nearest hub airport is more than 400 miles from an eligible place.


So does the Secretary have the option of waiving "scheduled air transportation" (full stop), or must it waive "scheduled air transportation" in conjunction with subparagraphs (1) or (2)? It appears Contour may be going for the former. Odd that it never tried this before, but went through the hoops of getting to community to request AEAS.

Or - the analyst comment "let me know if you have any questions" may be a covert cue for the community to look into AEAS.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat May 14, 2022 12:24 am

BangersAndMash wrote:
Contour's proposal to Paducah, which has now been uploaded, contains details of all the markets they're pitching for.

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/DOT-OST-2009-0299/document?postedDateFrom=2022-05-13&postedDateTo=2022-05-13

These include:
- PAH to CLT
- CGI to BNA
- CKB to CLT
- TBN to BNA (that one's a bit of a surprise; they didn't seem to have parted in good terms when TBN went for OO)
- LWB to CLT
- PIB to BNA
- JST to CLT
- SHD to CLT

They are really going for it! And they have a good chance of winning all of these.

I imagine that TBN will get tagged on to CGI. Lots of charter work from TBN that Skywest was unable to take advantage of.

LWB will likely get tagged with CKB.

PAH to CLT will likely be a winner as well.

Shenandoah is a bit surprising, but really shouldn’t be.

Johnstown is also surprising. Tagged with Ogdensburg to bring in a CLT trip?

I expected Contour would bid for PIB, but I thought it would be a BNA/ DFW like Greenville is.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat May 14, 2022 1:14 am

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Although Salina has said in the news what airlines are bidding, there is still nothing on regulations.

Devils lake ; Jamestown, ND ; Houghton, Mason city and Sioux City

All have been pretty silent and have had no proposal submitted yet. Mason city I’m surprised about as it’s close relatively to Fort Dodge.

The rest of those cities are all pretty far from the nearest hub. Houghton is at the very top of Michigan’s upper Peninsula, both the cities in North Dakota are far from any hub with the closest one being Minneapolis or Denver. In Sioux City is also pretty evenly split between Chicago and Denver. Could it be possible that we have some cities that will not have any applicants/bidder?


Salina was posted yesterday. I think it was DAC only

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DO ... 11376-0214
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat May 14, 2022 5:23 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Seems like the dollars on these bids are a lot higher than normal. But they probably also know they have DOT in a corner.

Cost of everything has skyrocketed, from gas to pilots to maint techs.

You pay the price, or you don’t get them. The math is pretty simple at this point.

I am seeing CRJ/CL-65 operators offering $125-150k for street Captains. If you are at Air Whiskey or Skywest, that has to be damned tempting.


Yup. I know someone who just left one of those two carriers for more money and a better lifestyle using the same type rating. The regionals have some changes to make if they want to be worth working for.

Unfortunately it seems the real losers in this will be small airports and the citizens of the towns they serve.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat May 14, 2022 6:55 am

MO11 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
I don't think it's under EAS. Although it doesn't say one way or the other in the proposal, the document include this wording in the small prints: "Service contingent on the community waiving their right to scheduled service"

That says to me it's their usual public charter arrangement, so I'm expecting AEAS.


Again, the airline can't bid on AEAS. The community must apply for a grant under AEAS. But the clause "Service contingent on the community waiving their right to scheduled service" seems to be taking a different angle.

If you look at the email that the DOT analyst sent to the community, there is the paragraph: These proposals may need certain waivers from basic EAS requirements to be selected. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/41732. Let us know if you have questions.

Section 41732(c) says: Notwithstanding section 41733(e), upon request by an eligible place, the Secretary may waive, in whole or in part, subsections (a) and (b) of this section or subsections (a) through (c) of section 41734. . Section 41734 deals with ending, suspending, or reducing service (which is what Skywest is doing - communities are currently requesting reduction in Skywest flying).

But 41732 (a) says:

(a) General.—Basic essential air service provided under section 41733 of this title is scheduled air transportation of passengers and cargo—

(1) to a hub airport that has convenient connecting or single-plane air service to a substantial number of destinations beyond that airport; or

(2) to a small hub or nonhub airport, when in Alaska or when the nearest hub airport is more than 400 miles from an eligible place.


So does the Secretary have the option of waiving "scheduled air transportation" (full stop), or must it waive "scheduled air transportation" in conjunction with subparagraphs (1) or (2)? It appears Contour may be going for the former. Odd that it never tried this before, but went through the hoops of getting to community to request AEAS.

Or - the analyst comment "let me know if you have any questions" may be a covert cue for the community to look into AEAS.


I never said anyone was bidding on AEAS. But thanks for posting the clarification for those who aren't aware.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat May 14, 2022 7:00 am

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Although Salina has said in the news what airlines are bidding, there is still nothing on regulations.


Salina is available on Regulations.

Only DAC bid by the look of what. Just as mentioned in the press, to DEN and ORD. Basically what they have now.

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/DOT-OST-2002-11376/document?postedDateFrom=2022-05-12&postedDateTo=2022-05-12
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat May 14, 2022 7:18 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
Contour's proposal to Paducah, which has now been uploaded, contains details of all the markets they're pitching for.

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/DOT-OST-2009-0299/document?postedDateFrom=2022-05-13&postedDateTo=2022-05-13

These include:
- PAH to CLT
- CGI to BNA
- CKB to CLT
- TBN to BNA (that one's a bit of a surprise; they didn't seem to have parted in good terms when TBN went for OO)
- LWB to CLT
- PIB to BNA
- JST to CLT
- SHD to CLT

They are really going for it! And they have a good chance of winning all of these.

I imagine that TBN will get tagged on to CGI. Lots of charter work from TBN that Skywest was unable to take advantage of.

LWB will likely get tagged with CKB.

PAH to CLT will likely be a winner as well.

Shenandoah is a bit surprising, but really shouldn’t be.

Johnstown is also surprising. Tagged with Ogdensburg to bring in a CLT trip?

I expected Contour would bid for PIB, but I thought it would be a BNA/ DFW like Greenville is.


I would be very surprised if any of these were tagged by Contour.

There is another proposal from some new guys called Team Tundra dba COOL Air proposing just that for JST/CKB/LWB/SHD on 50 seaters and the tagging is probably the death of it. All these markets are big enough to support non-stop service.

Surprised by Johnstown as well, but more that they picked CLT over PHL as the hub.

Agreed PIB might be able to support a second hub. The beauty of AEAS is that this is just a starting point though. If the market is there, and they have the pilots of course, they can add a second hub down the line, even starting with a lower frequency if need be. AEAS is a lot more flexible than EAS for this.
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat May 14, 2022 11:36 am

joeblow10 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
Another one in the surprising category: Sun Country is bidding at Eau Claire with 737 equipment (quite the upgrade!) to MSP, along with Boutique and Southern.

https://www.regulations.gov/document/DOT-OST-2009-0306-0048


What on earth? Eau Claire to MSP airport is not even 100 miles.


Important detail is missing: SY is also proposing service from EAU-RSW/MCO/LAS. Seems they are trying to use funding to make it a low risk venture


More likely get paid to flow aircraft and crews to EAU from MSP.. otherwise there flying them empty at there own expense…
 
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Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

Sat May 14, 2022 12:57 pm

amcnd wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:

What on earth? Eau Claire to MSP airport is not even 100 miles.


Important detail is missing: SY is also proposing service from EAU-RSW/MCO/LAS. Seems they are trying to use funding to make it a low risk venture


More likely get paid to flow aircraft and crews to EAU from MSP.. otherwise there flying them empty at there own expense…


The EAS subsidy essentially covers the fixed costs of these flights. Brings down the profitability threshold down quite a bit. Contour does the same with their at-risk BNA flying, and they did it out West pre-pandemic as well.

It's all rather clever if they can get it off the ground. There are issues with EAS minimum standards so it's far from a done deal though.
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