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bhill wrote:I think the reason the Chinese are not saying anything is because they are going to have to lawyer up. And they sure as hell are not going to say ANYTHING until the lawyers approve it. How was the Germanwings case litigated?
bhill wrote:I think the reason the Chinese are not saying anything is because they are going to have to lawyer up. And they sure as hell are not going to say ANYTHING until the lawyers approve it. How was the Germanwings case litigated?
Opus99 wrote:Why on earth would the NTSB say one of their colleagues have leaked information to the press?
Of course no information was officially provided to the media. They’re literally not allowed to do that
Good luck getting the NTSB to say their staff leaked the info
Doesn’t mean the info is not correct
zeke wrote:Opus99 wrote:Why on earth would the NTSB say one of their colleagues have leaked information to the press?
Of course no information was officially provided to the media. They’re literally not allowed to do that
Good luck getting the NTSB to say their staff leaked the info
Doesn’t mean the info is not correct
To claim that an official provided the information to the media, and an official CAAC statement that no information has been provided to the media contradicts statements made in the press.
trad01 wrote:bhill wrote:I think the reason the Chinese are not saying anything is because they are going to have to lawyer up. And they sure as hell are not going to say ANYTHING until the lawyers approve it. How was the Germanwings case litigated?
"Laywer up?" This will be difficult. Lawyers end up in jail in China.
Dreamflight767 wrote:I wonder if the "source" is actually someone from Boeing or within the Chinese government.
Dreamflight767 wrote:I wonder if the "source" is actually someone from Boeing or within the Chinese government.
buzzard302 wrote:If I had to guess, the data from the FDR and the CVR has been reviewed. Everyone is right by saying the FDR data could not necessarily prove or disprove an intentional act. But add in the CVR and there must be a reason for this leaked conclusion. So someone must have leaked knowledge of what is on the CVR in my opinion. We as the general public may not ever know the whole true story behind this one.
travaz wrote:In the General public's mind the cause has been determined and end of story, not speaking of the people on this site but the average person with little or no knowledge about Aviation.
buzzard302 wrote:If I had to guess, the data from the FDR and the CVR has been reviewed. Everyone is right by saying the FDR data could not necessarily prove or disprove an intentional act. But add in the CVR and there must be a reason for this leaked conclusion. So someone must have leaked knowledge of what is on the CVR in my opinion. We as the general public may not ever know the whole true story behind this one.
travaz wrote:
It is interesting that China Southern failed to mention a plan for the 100 Maxes they have on order. This could be a retaliation for the leak.
N14AZ wrote:I guess the Chinese government doesn’t like the results of the investigation. It simply doesn’t fit to their agenda and the timing is bad. They will wait with announcements until nobody is interested any longer…
That’s what I think.
N14AZ wrote:I guess the Chinese government doesn’t like the results of the investigation. It simply doesn’t fit to their agenda and the timing is bad. They will wait with announcements until nobody is interested any longer…
Avatar2go wrote:It's becoming common for accident investigation reports to be delayed indefinitely in some authoritative countries, if they reflect badly on the local airline or pilots. This is necessary because participating agencies from other countries, have the right to include dissenting views in the report.
Thus if the local agency tries to whitewash, that will be exposed. But if they say nothing, the participating agencies are bound by confidentiality, and can also say nothing.
miegapele wrote:
NTSB took more than a year to issue report on Atlas air crash. So some supposed non-authoritarive countries drag feet to avoid reflect badly on local pilots too.
Avatar2go wrote:Sorry, but there is no comparison. ...
bhill wrote:I think the reason the Chinese are not saying anything is because they are going to have to lawyer up. And they sure as hell are not going to say ANYTHING until the lawyers approve it. How was the Germanwings case litigated?
Noshow wrote:
The French prosecutor published many details early on creating full transparency and blocking any possible early cover up or spin doctoring. This way the facts became known much more early than to wait until full accident investigations could be completed and released.
Delaxio wrote:I doubt we will ever get a truthful account of this investigation.
I thought a preliminary report was supposed to come out 30 days after the accident. Is it an actual ICAO regulation/requirement or just convention? Even the Iranians released the prelim report for the Ukrainian 737 shoot down before admitting guilt!
Delaxio wrote:I doubt we will ever get a truthful account of this investigation.
I thought a preliminary report was supposed to come out 30 days after the accident. Is it an actual ICAO regulation/requirement or just convention? Even the Iranians released the prelim report for the Ukrainian 737 shoot down before admitting guilt!
Boeing757100 wrote:I don't know if this is a pointless comparisson, but for Egyptair 990, the investigation also got politically involved. However, I think the investigation on 990 was a bit more fast paced than the silence regarding MU5735, and the NTSB came to their own conclusion two weeks after the crash of 990, which the ECAA disapproved of and made their own theories.
I'm sorry for my terrible comparissons and theories but is it possible that the NTSB already knows what happened and are being silenced in the interest of politics? I'd be happy to be proven wrong..
garpd wrote:The silence on this situation is deafening. It's been months now and still no information released. The more they remain silent, the more people will make up their own minds. At some point that could be detrimental to Chinese aviation.
Polot wrote:I mean at this point I think everyone recognizes that it was the result of pilot action (probably deliberate but will give benefit of doubt and say gross pilot error also possibility).
RobertS975 wrote:I agree with this last important point... if this event was the fault of the aircraft in any way, we would have been made well aware of those findings.
RobertS975 wrote:I agree with this last important point... if this event was the fault of the aircraft in any way, we would have been made well aware of those findings.
BB78710 wrote:If their investigation showed even a hint of a problem with the aircraft, China would have taken action and would have publicized the information because of the damage it would do to Boeing's already damaged reputation.
Their silence definitely speaks volumes.
gzm wrote:What is the public opinion about this in China?
SInGAPORE_AIR wrote:gzm wrote:What is the public opinion about this in China?
The Chinese public have opinions ? Are you kidding ?
usxguy wrote:
Btw has anyone been able to replicate what happened in a sim yet? *or made those findings public?
gzm wrote:Depends on how you interpret it. And if, IF this is the last thing Boeing needs now, wouldn’t they take action to have the report postponed indefinitely?
They certainly would.