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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 10:40 am

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There sure does seem to be some JetBlue dislike on these threads. They will not operate spirit as a separate brand they have said so. They have also said exactly why they want this. It’s instantly growing the airline. Many people on here say oh well they aren’t relevant outside of NY. That’s what this would help with. It also gobbles up a major competitor and stops another from my instantly growing. This is both offensive and defensive. It’s buy or be bought. Also with the blue basic fare it’s already (spirit ish) and that has been pretty successful. I can’t see any reason why the DOJ would say no. You have the big guys in complete control of some hubs but this merger would be a problem? No way. Look I am old enough to remember people on here saying mint was a dumb idea and wouldn’t work or there is no way they can get heathrow slots…..I wouldn’t bet against JetBlue on this stuff. Now daily operations is a different story :)


Airlines say all sorts of things when trying to get their mergers approved. Ask former hub airports who were assured there was no plan to shutter the hub operations.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 11:41 am

JetBlue Submits Enhanced Superior Proposal to Acquire Spirit

https://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jet ... wsid=82854

Divestiture commitment: If necessary, JetBlue would agree to divest assets of JetBlue and Spirit up to a material adverse effect on Spirit, with a limited carve-out for actions that would adversely impact JetBlue’s Northeast Alliance (NEA) with American Airlines.

Remedy package to address NEA and regulatory concerns: JetBlue would offer a remedy package that includes the divestiture of all Spirit assets in New York and Boston so that JetBlue does not increase its presence in the airports covered by the NEA. The package would also include gates and assets at other airports, including Fort Lauderdale.

Reverse break-up fee: JetBlue would provide for a $200 million reverse break-up fee, representing approximately $1.80 per Spirit share, that would become payable to Spirit in the unlikely event the JetBlue transaction is not consummated for antitrust reasons.

Superior, all-cash premium: JetBlue’s proposal continues to offer Spirit shareholders $33 in cash per common share, a 47% premium to the value of the Frontier transaction as of April 29, 2022 (a) and a 52% premium to Spirit’s share price as of February 4, 2022 (b) (the last trading day prior to the Spirit-Frontier announcement).
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 11:44 am

https://ir.spirit.com/news-releases/new ... fault.aspx

Spirit Airlines Board of Directors Reiterates Support for Merger with Frontier Airlines

Board Unanimously Determined JetBlue Proposal Does Not Constitute a 'Superior Proposal'

Company Intends to Continue Advancing Toward Completion of Transaction with Frontier Airlines
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 12:00 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
https://ir.spirit.com/news-releases/news-details/2022/Spirit-Airlines-Board-of-Directors-Reiterates-Support-for-Merger-with-Frontier-Airlines/default.aspx

Spirit Airlines Board of Directors Reiterates Support for Merger with Frontier Airlines

Board Unanimously Determined JetBlue Proposal Does Not Constitute a 'Superior Proposal'

Company Intends to Continue Advancing Toward Completion of Transaction with Frontier Airlines


Did this come out before or after B6's enhanced offer?
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 12:06 pm

STT757 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
https://ir.spirit.com/news-releases/news-details/2022/Spirit-Airlines-Board-of-Directors-Reiterates-Support-for-Merger-with-Frontier-Airlines/default.aspx

Spirit Airlines Board of Directors Reiterates Support for Merger with Frontier Airlines

Board Unanimously Determined JetBlue Proposal Does Not Constitute a 'Superior Proposal'

Company Intends to Continue Advancing Toward Completion of Transaction with Frontier Airlines


Did this come out before or after B6's enhanced offer?



I would assume after because the JetBlue “enhanced” offer seems to answer the questions or concerns
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 12:11 pm

STT757 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
https://ir.spirit.com/news-releases/news-details/2022/Spirit-Airlines-Board-of-Directors-Reiterates-Support-for-Merger-with-Frontier-Airlines/default.aspx

Spirit Airlines Board of Directors Reiterates Support for Merger with Frontier Airlines

Board Unanimously Determined JetBlue Proposal Does Not Constitute a 'Superior Proposal'

Company Intends to Continue Advancing Toward Completion of Transaction with Frontier Airlines


Did this come out before or after B6's enhanced offer?


Almost immediately after, you can tell by the stock price move. Spirit stock went up almost 10% pricing in the B6 deal, and then immediately down once the ULCC was priced in.

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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 12:59 pm

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CEO Ted Christie and Chairman Mac Gardner, Spirit said,

“We struggle to understand how JetBlue can believe DOJ, or a court, will be persuaded that JetBlue should be allowed to form an anticompetitive alliance that aligns its interests with a legacy carrier and then undertake an acquisition that will eliminate the largest ULCC carrier.”


https://simpleflying.com/jetblue-enhanc ... -proposal/

Simple Flying, I know, but a direct quote from NK execs.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 1:05 pm

So, where does this leave jetblue in the market place, and particularly in Florida? Outside of the Northeast, where does this put us? Does jetblue now go and buy Alaska? There’s issues there with the jetblue pilot and flight attendant contracts. Or does jetblue just go balls to the wall and try and acquire both F9 and NK. But, what is next, that Florida market is toast with a combined F9/NK.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 1:15 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
JetBlue Submits Enhanced Superior Proposal to Acquire Spirit

https://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jet ... wsid=82854

Divestiture commitment: If necessary, JetBlue would agree to divest assets of JetBlue and Spirit up to a material adverse effect on Spirit, with a limited carve-out for actions that would adversely impact JetBlue’s Northeast Alliance (NEA) with American Airlines.

Remedy package to address NEA and regulatory concerns: JetBlue would offer a remedy package that includes the divestiture of all Spirit assets in New York and Boston so that JetBlue does not increase its presence in the airports covered by the NEA. The package would also include gates and assets at other airports, including Fort Lauderdale.

Reverse break-up fee: JetBlue would provide for a $200 million reverse break-up fee, representing approximately $1.80 per Spirit share, that would become payable to Spirit in the unlikely event the JetBlue transaction is not consummated for antitrust reasons.

Superior, all-cash premium: JetBlue’s proposal continues to offer Spirit shareholders $33 in cash per common share, a 47% premium to the value of the Frontier transaction as of April 29, 2022 (a) and a 52% premium to Spirit’s share price as of February 4, 2022 (b) (the last trading day prior to the Spirit-Frontier announcement).


I have no idea what B6 is thinking here.

"Remedy package to address NEA and regulatory concerns: JetBlue would offer a remedy package that includes the divestiture of all Spirit assets in New York and Boston so that JetBlue does not increase its presence in the airports covered by the NEA. The package would also include gates and assets at other airports, including Fort Lauderdale."

This makes this transaction even worse. Without the NYC, BOS and possibly FLL assets, B6 is spending 3.6B for a few gates at LAX and some planes. Ridiculous.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 1:21 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
JetBlue Submits Enhanced Superior Proposal to Acquire Spirit

https://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jet ... wsid=82854

Divestiture commitment: If necessary, JetBlue would agree to divest assets of JetBlue and Spirit up to a material adverse effect on Spirit, with a limited carve-out for actions that would adversely impact JetBlue’s Northeast Alliance (NEA) with American Airlines.

Remedy package to address NEA and regulatory concerns: JetBlue would offer a remedy package that includes the divestiture of all Spirit assets in New York and Boston so that JetBlue does not increase its presence in the airports covered by the NEA. The package would also include gates and assets at other airports, including Fort Lauderdale.

Reverse break-up fee: JetBlue would provide for a $200 million reverse break-up fee, representing approximately $1.80 per Spirit share, that would become payable to Spirit in the unlikely event the JetBlue transaction is not consummated for antitrust reasons.

Superior, all-cash premium: JetBlue’s proposal continues to offer Spirit shareholders $33 in cash per common share, a 47% premium to the value of the Frontier transaction as of April 29, 2022 (a) and a 52% premium to Spirit’s share price as of February 4, 2022 (b) (the last trading day prior to the Spirit-Frontier announcement).


I have no idea what B6 is thinking here.

"Remedy package to address NEA and regulatory concerns: JetBlue would offer a remedy package that includes the divestiture of all Spirit assets in New York and Boston so that JetBlue does not increase its presence in the airports covered by the NEA. The package would also include gates and assets at other airports, including Fort Lauderdale."

This makes this transaction even worse. Without the NYC, BOS and possibly FLL assets, B6 is spending 3.6B for a few gates at LAX and some planes. Ridiculous.


Definitely. I think they're taking a page from AS/VX playbook and overbidding just to prevent a potential competitor that they're afraid of. Back in the day AS overpaid for VX so that B6 couldn't get their right foot in the West Coast, today B6 is desperately trying to prevent F9+NK from becoming a bigger headache in Florida and potentially other markets. Probably not the best example to follow, they should know better.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 1:33 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
JetBlue Submits Enhanced Superior Proposal to Acquire Spirit

https://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jet ... wsid=82854

Divestiture commitment: If necessary, JetBlue would agree to divest assets of JetBlue and Spirit up to a material adverse effect on Spirit, with a limited carve-out for actions that would adversely impact JetBlue’s Northeast Alliance (NEA) with American Airlines.

Remedy package to address NEA and regulatory concerns: JetBlue would offer a remedy package that includes the divestiture of all Spirit assets in New York and Boston so that JetBlue does not increase its presence in the airports covered by the NEA. The package would also include gates and assets at other airports, including Fort Lauderdale.

Reverse break-up fee: JetBlue would provide for a $200 million reverse break-up fee, representing approximately $1.80 per Spirit share, that would become payable to Spirit in the unlikely event the JetBlue transaction is not consummated for antitrust reasons.

Superior, all-cash premium: JetBlue’s proposal continues to offer Spirit shareholders $33 in cash per common share, a 47% premium to the value of the Frontier transaction as of April 29, 2022 (a) and a 52% premium to Spirit’s share price as of February 4, 2022 (b) (the last trading day prior to the Spirit-Frontier announcement).


I have no idea what B6 is thinking here.

"Remedy package to address NEA and regulatory concerns: JetBlue would offer a remedy package that includes the divestiture of all Spirit assets in New York and Boston so that JetBlue does not increase its presence in the airports covered by the NEA. The package would also include gates and assets at other airports, including Fort Lauderdale."

This makes this transaction even worse. Without the NYC, BOS and possibly FLL assets, B6 is spending 3.6B for a few gates at LAX and some planes. Ridiculous.


This smells like B6 is extremely desperate. They are afraid of a combined F9/NK.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 1:40 pm

SoCalFlyer wrote:
So, where does this leave jetblue in the market place, and particularly in Florida? Outside of the Northeast, where does this put us? Does jetblue now go and buy Alaska? There’s issues there with the jetblue pilot and flight attendant contracts. Or does jetblue just go balls to the wall and try and acquire both F9 and NK. But, what is next, that Florida market is toast with a combined F9/NK.


B6's arrogant refusal to expand outside of the Northeast/Florida and establish a mid-continent hub/focus city is coming back to bite them hard now. Despite others insistence to the contrary, they have no coherent growth strategy going forward. If it were possible, there best bet would be for AA to buy them out, but that is not going to happen in the near future due to regulatory concerns.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 1:51 pm

Runway765 wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
So, where does this leave jetblue in the market place, and particularly in Florida? Outside of the Northeast, where does this put us? Does jetblue now go and buy Alaska? There’s issues there with the jetblue pilot and flight attendant contracts. Or does jetblue just go balls to the wall and try and acquire both F9 and NK. But, what is next, that Florida market is toast with a combined F9/NK.


B6's arrogant refusal to expand outside of the Northeast/Florida and establish a mid-continent hub/focus city is coming back to bite them hard now. Despite others insistence to the contrary, they have no coherent growth strategy going forward. If it were possible, there best bet would be for AA to buy them out, but that is not going to happen in the near future due to regulatory concerns.


Had they continued to build up AUS from the routes they had 10 years ago, they could have had a nice hub here. That may have even changed the trajectory of the airports expansion.

This is especially because JetBlue very much caters to the Austin Metro since it does have amenities and better comfort that you would typically pay a premium for. It is a shame on their part that they didn't have the wherewithal to exploit that opportunity. Instead they only fly on routes with already deep competition and their fares are very often rock bottom.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 1:58 pm

Runway765 wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
So, where does this leave jetblue in the market place, and particularly in Florida? Outside of the Northeast, where does this put us? Does jetblue now go and buy Alaska? There’s issues there with the jetblue pilot and flight attendant contracts. Or does jetblue just go balls to the wall and try and acquire both F9 and NK. But, what is next, that Florida market is toast with a combined F9/NK.


B6's arrogant refusal to expand outside of the Northeast/Florida and establish a mid-continent hub/focus city is coming back to bite them hard now. Despite others insistence to the contrary, they have no coherent growth strategy going forward. If it were possible, there best bet would be for AA to buy them out, but that is not going to happen in the near future due to regulatory concerns.


They tried a little bit in AUS and also in ORD but it didn't work. B6 has trouble competing in markets where there is not some sort of barrier to competition like slots (NYC) or gates (BOS). They are in a tough competitive position outside of the NE; they don't have the network and frequencies to attract business travelers like the legacies/WN and don't have the cost structure to compete with the ULCC's - they are stuck. They have a bright spot with MINT but there are limited markets that can support such a product.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 1:58 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
JetBlue Submits Enhanced Superior Proposal to Acquire Spirit

https://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jet ... wsid=82854

Divestiture commitment: If necessary, JetBlue would agree to divest assets of JetBlue and Spirit up to a material adverse effect on Spirit, with a limited carve-out for actions that would adversely impact JetBlue’s Northeast Alliance (NEA) with American Airlines.

Remedy package to address NEA and regulatory concerns: JetBlue would offer a remedy package that includes the divestiture of all Spirit assets in New York and Boston so that JetBlue does not increase its presence in the airports covered by the NEA. The package would also include gates and assets at other airports, including Fort Lauderdale.

Reverse break-up fee: JetBlue would provide for a $200 million reverse break-up fee, representing approximately $1.80 per Spirit share, that would become payable to Spirit in the unlikely event the JetBlue transaction is not consummated for antitrust reasons.

Superior, all-cash premium: JetBlue’s proposal continues to offer Spirit shareholders $33 in cash per common share, a 47% premium to the value of the Frontier transaction as of April 29, 2022 (a) and a 52% premium to Spirit’s share price as of February 4, 2022 (b) (the last trading day prior to the Spirit-Frontier announcement).


I have no idea what B6 is thinking here.

"Remedy package to address NEA and regulatory concerns: JetBlue would offer a remedy package that includes the divestiture of all Spirit assets in New York and Boston so that JetBlue does not increase its presence in the airports covered by the NEA. The package would also include gates and assets at other airports, including Fort Lauderdale."

This makes this transaction even worse. Without the NYC, BOS and possibly FLL assets, B6 is spending 3.6B for a few gates at LAX and some planes. Ridiculous.


I see your point but B6 would get something for the NYC/BOS/FLL assets to offset part of the $3.6 Billion purchase price.

I really don't see what B6 would be getting, net. Some LAX gates. A lot of Midwest point-to-point routes. It still wouldn't give B6 a Midwest hub.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 2:07 pm

Spirit made a solid argument. H. McIntyre Gardner, Spirit Chairman of the Board says:

..."In contrast, Spirit believes that merging with Frontier will enable the combined ULCC business to achieve scale, improve operational reliability, have increased relevance to consumers, and do an even better job of delivering ultra-low fares to more consumers and competing more effectively against the Big 4 carriers, as well as against JetBlue. We believe that is a clear, pro-consumer narrative that will resonate more successfully with DOJ than a combination with JetBlue, which would eliminate the largest ULCC and remove significant low-cost/low-fare capacity."

Whats more, JetBlue has publicly proposed divestitures for the NEA thereby setting a precedent to be open to such remedy for NEA approval. A Spirit-Frontier combination can provide meaningful low-fare competition in the Northeast, something JetBlue has "moments ago" wanted to inject more of (against its own NEA partner, a legacy) and something the DOJ is concerned with preserving/furthering! Reading between the lines, Spirit-Frontier will use JetBlue's inferior proposal with great effect in gaining more slots at Boston and NYC, as DOJ in approving such a merger will clearly see or will have clearly seen the benefit of what these two carriers want to achieve together.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 2:12 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
JetBlue Submits Enhanced Superior Proposal to Acquire Spirit

https://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jet ... wsid=82854

Divestiture commitment: If necessary, JetBlue would agree to divest assets of JetBlue and Spirit up to a material adverse effect on Spirit, with a limited carve-out for actions that would adversely impact JetBlue’s Northeast Alliance (NEA) with American Airlines.

Remedy package to address NEA and regulatory concerns: JetBlue would offer a remedy package that includes the divestiture of all Spirit assets in New York and Boston so that JetBlue does not increase its presence in the airports covered by the NEA. The package would also include gates and assets at other airports, including Fort Lauderdale.

Reverse break-up fee: JetBlue would provide for a $200 million reverse break-up fee, representing approximately $1.80 per Spirit share, that would become payable to Spirit in the unlikely event the JetBlue transaction is not consummated for antitrust reasons.

Superior, all-cash premium: JetBlue’s proposal continues to offer Spirit shareholders $33 in cash per common share, a 47% premium to the value of the Frontier transaction as of April 29, 2022 (a) and a 52% premium to Spirit’s share price as of February 4, 2022 (b) (the last trading day prior to the Spirit-Frontier announcement).


I have no idea what B6 is thinking here.

"Remedy package to address NEA and regulatory concerns: JetBlue would offer a remedy package that includes the divestiture of all Spirit assets in New York and Boston so that JetBlue does not increase its presence in the airports covered by the NEA. The package would also include gates and assets at other airports, including Fort Lauderdale."

This makes this transaction even worse. Without the NYC, BOS and possibly FLL assets, B6 is spending 3.6B for a few gates at LAX and some planes. Ridiculous.


I see your point but B6 would get something for the NYC/BOS/FLL assets to offset part of the $3.6 Billion purchase price.

I really don't see what B6 would be getting, net. Some LAX gates. A lot of Midwest point-to-point routes. It still wouldn't give B6 a Midwest hub.


DTW and ORD are current NK midwest hubs
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 2:15 pm

Trying to parse the two press releases this morning I think the JetBlue enhanced offer was given to Spirit last week and has been considered by NK prior to this mornings rejection.

JetBlue went public with the enhanced offer in a last ditch effort to cause shareholder to question the NK board decision to go with Frontier. Both of these press releases are dripping with animosity between JetBlue and Spirit. The NEA looks to be the pound of flesh Spirit wants out of the deal, something JetBlue is unwilling to budge on.

The $200M reverse breakup fee seems low to me in this situation and might be an indication of JetBlue's true confidence in regulatory approval. If JetBlue was truly certain of approval and willing to take major steps to get the deal done a $500-600M breakup offer should be no problem for them to make.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 2:17 pm

Runway765 wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
So, where does this leave jetblue in the market place, and particularly in Florida? Outside of the Northeast, where does this put us? Does jetblue now go and buy Alaska? There’s issues there with the jetblue pilot and flight attendant contracts. Or does jetblue just go balls to the wall and try and acquire both F9 and NK. But, what is next, that Florida market is toast with a combined F9/NK.


B6's arrogant refusal to expand outside of the Northeast/Florida and establish a mid-continent hub/focus city is coming back to bite them hard now. Despite others insistence to the contrary, they have no coherent growth strategy going forward. If it were possible, there best bet would be for AA to buy them out, but that is not going to happen in the near future due to regulatory concerns.


There is realistically no opportunity to build a mid-continent hub/focus city in any of the major cities in the Midwest or Southern US. JetBlue would face an immense response from the Big Four carriers (especially WN) if they tried to establish such an endeavor, as well as lose tons of money in the process.

Spirit is making the decision they feel is best for their employees and shareholders. Both NK/F9 are heavily entrenched in Florida today and B6 coexists just fine with the competition. This isn’t some doom and gloom scenario for JetBlue. Hopefully a renewed focus on fixing the operation and growing organically in the face of better competition.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 2:40 pm

INFINITI329 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:

I have no idea what B6 is thinking here.

"Remedy package to address NEA and regulatory concerns: JetBlue would offer a remedy package that includes the divestiture of all Spirit assets in New York and Boston so that JetBlue does not increase its presence in the airports covered by the NEA. The package would also include gates and assets at other airports, including Fort Lauderdale."

This makes this transaction even worse. Without the NYC, BOS and possibly FLL assets, B6 is spending 3.6B for a few gates at LAX and some planes. Ridiculous.


I see your point but B6 would get something for the NYC/BOS/FLL assets to offset part of the $3.6 Billion purchase price.

I really don't see what B6 would be getting, net. Some LAX gates. A lot of Midwest point-to-point routes. It still wouldn't give B6 a Midwest hub.


DTW and ORD are current NK midwest hubs
It gives B6 access to routes like DTW/ORD-LAX & SAN in which should have no issues deploying Mint.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 2:42 pm

Runway765 wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
So, where does this leave jetblue in the market place, and particularly in Florida? Outside of the Northeast, where does this put us? Does jetblue now go and buy Alaska? There’s issues there with the jetblue pilot and flight attendant contracts. Or does jetblue just go balls to the wall and try and acquire both F9 and NK. But, what is next, that Florida market is toast with a combined F9/NK.


B6's arrogant refusal to expand outside of the Northeast/Florida and establish a mid-continent hub/focus city is coming back to bite them hard now. Despite others insistence to the contrary, they have no coherent growth strategy going forward. If it were possible, there best bet would be for AA to buy them out, but that is not going to happen in the near future due to regulatory concerns.



It's great to say the need a midcontinent hub now choose where. Every major city in the midwest already has a hub. Keeping in mind that SLC & CLT are outliers, there's not another city that can support a hub population wise.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 2:49 pm

flymco753 wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

I see your point but B6 would get something for the NYC/BOS/FLL assets to offset part of the $3.6 Billion purchase price.

I really don't see what B6 would be getting, net. Some LAX gates. A lot of Midwest point-to-point routes. It still wouldn't give B6 a Midwest hub.


DTW and ORD are current NK midwest hubs
It gives B6 access to routes like DTW/ORD-LAX & SAN in which should have no issues deploying Mint.


No.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 3:01 pm

SoCalFlyer wrote:
So, where does this leave jetblue in the market place, and particularly in Florida? Outside of the Northeast, where does this put us? Does jetblue now go and buy Alaska? There’s issues there with the jetblue pilot and flight attendant contracts. Or does jetblue just go balls to the wall and try and acquire both F9 and NK. But, what is next, that Florida market is toast with a combined F9/NK.


Alaska is a larger and much better managed airline, why would they want anything to do with poorly run JetBlue? Certainly JetBlue management would all have to go, they are awful.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 3:04 pm

Jetport wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
So, where does this leave jetblue in the market place, and particularly in Florida? Outside of the Northeast, where does this put us? Does jetblue now go and buy Alaska? There’s issues there with the jetblue pilot and flight attendant contracts. Or does jetblue just go balls to the wall and try and acquire both F9 and NK. But, what is next, that Florida market is toast with a combined F9/NK.


Alaska is a larger and much better managed airline, why would they want anything to do with poorly run JetBlue? Certainly JetBlue management would all have to go, they are awful.


Yeah it would be ALK buying JetBlue
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 3:12 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
Runway765 wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
So, where does this leave jetblue in the market place, and particularly in Florida? Outside of the Northeast, where does this put us? Does jetblue now go and buy Alaska? There’s issues there with the jetblue pilot and flight attendant contracts. Or does jetblue just go balls to the wall and try and acquire both F9 and NK. But, what is next, that Florida market is toast with a combined F9/NK.


B6's arrogant refusal to expand outside of the Northeast/Florida and establish a mid-continent hub/focus city is coming back to bite them hard now. Despite others insistence to the contrary, they have no coherent growth strategy going forward. If it were possible, there best bet would be for AA to buy them out, but that is not going to happen in the near future due to regulatory concerns.



It's great to say the need a midcontinent hub now choose where. Every major city in the midwest already has a hub. Keeping in mind that SLC & CLT are outliers, there's not another city that can support a hub population wise.


Agreed. There’s really nothing B6 can do now on that front. I think there were missed opportunities in the past though.

1) When DL de-hubbed DFW in 2004. DFW was desperate to fill the void at the time and was willing to make a deal. DFW made overtures to WN that were immediately dismissed. This was 2 years before the Wright Amendment compromise agreement was reached and signed into law. This could have put WN back on its heals. With an LCC at DFW that could compete with AA nationwide, I don’t think there would have been the will to open up DAL to nationwide flights. AA would have been AA would defend its turf but AA was in BAD shape at the time. I believe Beverly Goulet described their strategy as “limp along” at this point. Again, it would have been a gutsy move without a guarantee of success, but with the benefit of hindsight, it may have worked.

2) When AA de-hubbed STL in 2009-2010. St. Louis isn’t Chicago or Dallas in terms of O/D but it’s still a healthy market with built out facilities and I’m sure Lambert would have made a deal to get them in. WN served St. Louis but it had a MUCH smaller presence then.

I don’t think MEM was a lost opportunity but I could be wrong. It’s a much smaller MSA than St. Louis.

Just my 2 cents. I could be completely wrong but who know what might’ve happened if B6 tried. They might be a force to be reckoned with or they may have gone through Chapter 7 and be in the company of PA and TW.

I agree with those that say this offer looks like desperation on the part of B6. There isn’t an airline that gives them what they need as far as expanding into the middle of the country but NK gives them compatible aircraft and crews.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 3:23 pm

With Spirit’s higher ups making F9 the preferred partner, it’s just given JetBlue’s “now hostile take over,” carte blanche in divesting any asset hub route overlaps that would prevent JetBlue’s success in this merger endeavor.

Is a big carve up coming in the industry to resupply the labor assets quickly to get the stronger carriers up to speed?

The sum of its parts are greater than its whole, buts who (which airlines) may want the “wholes” parts that JetBlue is willing to package out to continue the NE Alliance. Hmm

I’m getting more and more suspicious certain aircraft asset acquisitions by JetBlue as well as another carrier could amount to a collusive force. Will this becoming a well played big budget spectacle once Frontier starts asking the government to open its eyes if things due not go it’s way.

Grease the flaps and landing gear times again in DC, like seen time and time before.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 3:24 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:

DTW and ORD are current NK midwest hubs
It gives B6 access to routes like DTW/ORD-LAX & SAN in which should have no issues deploying Mint.


No.


Not only are DTW & ORD not "hubs" for NK, by any stretch of the word.

But NK isn't even flying DTW-SAN this summer lol
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 3:33 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
It gives B6 access to routes like DTW/ORD-LAX & SAN in which should have no issues deploying Mint.


No.


Not only are DTW & ORD not "hubs" for NK, by any stretch of the word.

But NK isn't even flying DTW-SAN this summer lol


Even if DTW isn't a "true NK hub" by definition, I seem to recall NK having a reasonably strong frequent flier base in Metro Detroit - at least pre-pandemic. Granted, not as big as DL, but it was certainly significant enough from my recollection.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 3:42 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:

No.


Not only are DTW & ORD not "hubs" for NK, by any stretch of the word.

But NK isn't even flying DTW-SAN this summer lol


Even if DTW isn't a "true NK hub" by definition, I seem to recall NK having a reasonably strong frequent flier base in Metro Detroit - at least pre-pandemic. Granted, not as big as DL, but it was certainly significant enough from my recollection.


DTW and ORD may not be "hub" but they're both crew bases for NK...and are definitely two of the larger station for NK outside of Florida.

And compare to B6 and their basically zero presence in the Midwest, NK bases at ORD/DTW are big :duck:
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 3:51 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

Not only are DTW & ORD not "hubs" for NK, by any stretch of the word.

But NK isn't even flying DTW-SAN this summer lol


Even if DTW isn't a "true NK hub" by definition, I seem to recall NK having a reasonably strong frequent flier base in Metro Detroit - at least pre-pandemic. Granted, not as big as DL, but it was certainly significant enough from my recollection.


DTW and ORD may not be "hub" but they're both crew bases for NK...and are definitely two of the larger station for NK outside of Florida.

And compare to B6 and their basically zero presence in the Midwest, NK bases at ORD/DTW are big :duck:


Is NK's presence there enough to justify the great lengths B6 is going to acquire them? I'm not very familiar with the current situation at DTW and ORD, but I think neither of them are slot/gates constrained at this point, and B6 - if they really wanted - could potentially grow organically there without making NK's purchase absolutely necessary.
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 3:51 pm

AMALH747430 wrote:
TWFlyGuy wrote:
Runway765 wrote:

B6's arrogant refusal to expand outside of the Northeast/Florida and establish a mid-continent hub/focus city is coming back to bite them hard now. Despite others insistence to the contrary, they have no coherent growth strategy going forward. If it were possible, there best bet would be for AA to buy them out, but that is not going to happen in the near future due to regulatory concerns.



It's great to say the need a midcontinent hub now choose where. Every major city in the midwest already has a hub. Keeping in mind that SLC & CLT are outliers, there's not another city that can support a hub population wise.


Agreed. There’s really nothing B6 can do now on that front. I think there were missed opportunities in the past though.

1) When DL de-hubbed DFW in 2004. DFW was desperate to fill the void at the time and was willing to make a deal. DFW made overtures to WN that were immediately dismissed. This was 2 years before the Wright Amendment compromise agreement was reached and signed into law. This could have put WN back on its heals. With an LCC at DFW that could compete with AA nationwide, I don’t think there would have been the will to open up DAL to nationwide flights. AA would have been AA would defend its turf but AA was in BAD shape at the time. I believe Beverly Goulet described their strategy as “limp along” at this point. Again, it would have been a gutsy move without a guarantee of success, but with the benefit of hindsight, it may have worked.

2) When AA de-hubbed STL in 2009-2010. St. Louis isn’t Chicago or Dallas in terms of O/D but it’s still a healthy market with built out facilities and I’m sure Lambert would have made a deal to get them in. WN served St. Louis but it had a MUCH smaller presence then.

I don’t think MEM was a lost opportunity but I could be wrong. It’s a much smaller MSA than St. Louis.

Just my 2 cents. I could be completely wrong but who know what might’ve happened if B6 tried. They might be a force to be reckoned with or they may have gone through Chapter 7 and be in the company of PA and TW.

I agree with those that say this offer looks like desperation on the part of B6. There isn’t an airline that gives them what they need as far as expanding into the middle of the country but NK gives them compatible aircraft and crews.


I would add AUS to this as well. Had they started building up there a decade ago, they could’ve easily been at 200-250 flights by now.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 3:51 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
With Spirit’s higher ups making F9 the preferred partner, it’s just given JetBlue’s “now hostile take over,” carte blanche in divesting any asset hub route overlaps that would prevent JetBlue’s success in this merger endeavor.

Is a big carve up coming in the industry to resupply the labor assets quickly to get the stronger carriers up to speed?

The sum of its parts are greater than its whole, buts who (which airlines) may want the “wholes” parts that JetBlue is willing to package out to continue the NE Alliance. Hmm

I’m getting more and more suspicious certain aircraft asset acquisitions by JetBlue as well as another carrier could amount to a collusive force. Will this becoming a well played big budget spectacle once Frontier starts asking the government to open its eyes if things due not go it’s way.

Grease the flaps and landing gear times again in DC, like seen time and time before.


Interesting, what's going on here? Can you give more details of what you are thinking?
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 3:53 pm

WN732 wrote:
Runway765 wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
So, where does this leave jetblue in the market place, and particularly in Florida? Outside of the Northeast, where does this put us? Does jetblue now go and buy Alaska? There’s issues there with the jetblue pilot and flight attendant contracts. Or does jetblue just go balls to the wall and try and acquire both F9 and NK. But, what is next, that Florida market is toast with a combined F9/NK.


B6's arrogant refusal to expand outside of the Northeast/Florida and establish a mid-continent hub/focus city is coming back to bite them hard now. Despite others insistence to the contrary, they have no coherent growth strategy going forward. If it were possible, there best bet would be for AA to buy them out, but that is not going to happen in the near future due to regulatory concerns.


Had they continued to build up AUS from the routes they had 10 years ago, they could have had a nice hub here. That may have even changed the trajectory of the airports expansion.

This is especially because JetBlue very much caters to the Austin Metro since it does have amenities and better comfort that you would typically pay a premium for. It is a shame on their part that they didn't have the wherewithal to exploit that opportunity. Instead they only fly on routes with already deep competition and their fares are very often rock bottom.


Agreed.

B6 was asleep at the wheel when it came to AUS. Same with DL a bit later.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 4:00 pm

AMALH747430 wrote:
TWFlyGuy wrote:
Runway765 wrote:

B6's arrogant refusal to expand outside of the Northeast/Florida and establish a mid-continent hub/focus city is coming back to bite them hard now. Despite others insistence to the contrary, they have no coherent growth strategy going forward. If it were possible, there best bet would be for AA to buy them out, but that is not going to happen in the near future due to regulatory concerns.



It's great to say the need a midcontinent hub now choose where. Every major city in the midwest already has a hub. Keeping in mind that SLC & CLT are outliers, there's not another city that can support a hub population wise.


Agreed. There’s really nothing B6 can do now on that front. I think there were missed opportunities in the past though.

1) When DL de-hubbed DFW in 2004. DFW was desperate to fill the void at the time and was willing to make a deal. DFW made overtures to WN that were immediately dismissed. This was 2 years before the Wright Amendment compromise agreement was reached and signed into law. This could have put WN back on its heals. With an LCC at DFW that could compete with AA nationwide, I don’t think there would have been the will to open up DAL to nationwide flights. AA would have been AA would defend its turf but AA was in BAD shape at the time. I believe Beverly Goulet described their strategy as “limp along” at this point. Again, it would have been a gutsy move without a guarantee of success, but with the benefit of hindsight, it may have worked.

2) When AA de-hubbed STL in 2009-2010. St. Louis isn’t Chicago or Dallas in terms of O/D but it’s still a healthy market with built out facilities and I’m sure Lambert would have made a deal to get them in. WN served St. Louis but it had a MUCH smaller presence then.

I don’t think MEM was a lost opportunity but I could be wrong. It’s a much smaller MSA than St. Louis.

Just my 2 cents. I could be completely wrong but who know what might’ve happened if B6 tried. They might be a force to be reckoned with or they may have gone through Chapter 7 and be in the company of PA and TW.

I agree with those that say this offer looks like desperation on the part of B6. There isn’t an airline that gives them what they need as far as expanding into the middle of the country but NK gives them compatible aircraft and crews.

You're right, but STL was a lost cause. Only reason it carried more flights was legacy TW flying, and as early as 2004 the draw down was significant enough that I would hardly call it a hub.

B6 management made it through the Valentines Day Massacre and the lesson they learned was to be afraid of their own shadow. The policy of expansion has been conservative retrenchment in markets that are proven winners.

This is pretty bad news for B6.... can't imagine any upsides to this. The merger had a glimmer of hope for sustainable growth into the "5th choice" behind the legacies and SWA. NK board briefing against it seems to render it toast.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 4:06 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
JetBlue Submits Enhanced Superior Proposal to Acquire Spirit

https://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jet ... wsid=82854

Divestiture commitment: If necessary, JetBlue would agree to divest assets of JetBlue and Spirit up to a material adverse effect on Spirit, with a limited carve-out for actions that would adversely impact JetBlue’s Northeast Alliance (NEA) with American Airlines.

Remedy package to address NEA and regulatory concerns: JetBlue would offer a remedy package that includes the divestiture of all Spirit assets in New York and Boston so that JetBlue does not increase its presence in the airports covered by the NEA. The package would also include gates and assets at other airports, including Fort Lauderdale.

Reverse break-up fee: JetBlue would provide for a $200 million reverse break-up fee, representing approximately $1.80 per Spirit share, that would become payable to Spirit in the unlikely event the JetBlue transaction is not consummated for antitrust reasons.

Superior, all-cash premium: JetBlue’s proposal continues to offer Spirit shareholders $33 in cash per common share, a 47% premium to the value of the Frontier transaction as of April 29, 2022 (a) and a 52% premium to Spirit’s share price as of February 4, 2022 (b) (the last trading day prior to the Spirit-Frontier announcement).


I have no idea what B6 is thinking here.

"Remedy package to address NEA and regulatory concerns: JetBlue would offer a remedy package that includes the divestiture of all Spirit assets in New York and Boston so that JetBlue does not increase its presence in the airports covered by the NEA. The package would also include gates and assets at other airports, including Fort Lauderdale."

This makes this transaction even worse. Without the NYC, BOS and possibly FLL assets, B6 is spending 3.6B for a few gates at LAX and some planes. Ridiculous.


It's purely a bet to gain faster antitrust approval. The weird thing is that that "fix it first" proposal (as antitrust nerds call it) makes even plainer that the deal's value is primarily pricing power from eliminating a maverick competitor.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 4:21 pm

Jetport wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
So, where does this leave jetblue in the market place, and particularly in Florida? Outside of the Northeast, where does this put us? Does jetblue now go and buy Alaska? There’s issues there with the jetblue pilot and flight attendant contracts. Or does jetblue just go balls to the wall and try and acquire both F9 and NK. But, what is next, that Florida market is toast with a combined F9/NK.


Alaska is a larger and much better managed airline, why would they want anything to do with poorly run JetBlue? Certainly JetBlue management would all have to go, they are awful.


Alaska is not much better, they still have a ton of debt from the VX deal and are bleeding staff so badly they are having to accelerate retirements of the 320s are having to casual flights, and pilots are voting on a strike authorization witch because of the NMB probably won't happen, but it will generate headlines.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 4:21 pm

https://twitter.com/RossFeinstein/statu ... 3961101312

Does this mean NK’s management is refusing to engage? Isn’t that illegal. If I was an NK stockholder I would consider legal action.
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 4:28 pm

santi319 wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/marigoidperry/status/1193171137175412737

Does this mean NK’s management is refusing to engage? Isn’t that illegal. If I was an NK stockholder I would consider legal action.



Has anyone seen the letter he's referring to?

https://twitter.com/RossFeinstein/statu ... 3961101312
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 4:37 pm

SoCalFlyer wrote:
So, where does this leave jetblue in the market place, and particularly in Florida? Outside of the Northeast, where does this put us? Does jetblue now go and buy Alaska?

As others have already stated, AS has many of the same issues as B6. I don't see them as a good alternative to NK. They are both primarly coastal carriers(B6 with a heavy east coast bias and AS with a heavy west coast bias). Neither has any sizeable activity in the middle of the country. For example, both B6 and AS fly into my home airport (DTW) but I never even consider using either of them when I am planning travel. They have such limited options from here.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 4:42 pm

This is along the lines of what I wrote last night...

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-spirit ... 40048.html

May 2 (Reuters) - Ultra low cost carrier Spirit Airlines on Monday rejected JetBlue Airways Corp's $33-per-share takeover offer, saying it had a low likelihood of winning approval from government regulators.

Spirit said it believes the Justice Department and a court "will be very concerned that a higher-cost/higher fare airline would be eliminating a lower-cost/lower fare airline in a combination that would remove about half of the ULCC (ultra low cost carrier) capacity in the United States."

Spirit added that "given this substantial completion risk, we believe JetBlue's economic offer is illusory, and Spirit's board has not found it necessary to consider it."
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 5:07 pm

santi319 wrote:
https://twitter.com/RossFeinstein/status/1521159133961101312

Does this mean NK’s management is refusing to engage? Isn’t that illegal. If I was an NK stockholder I would consider legal action.


The word "constructively" is doing A LOT of heavy lifting in that snippet of the letter. Spirit came out weeks ago after the offer and said they would open discussions with JetBlue. We now have the result in that the Spirit board has evaluated the offer and determined that it does NOT constitute a superior proposal. I'm sure the Spirit board/management engaged with JetBlue to meet their fiduciary responsibility, but Spirit had a signed deal on the table already, so unless and until the Spirit board felt confident that the offer was truly superior I'd bet JetBlue would feel any discussion was not fully constructive.

Mainland wrote:
gustywinds wrote:
Just because B6 has come in with a higher bid that doesn’t mean it’s a better value to the NK shareholders. Which deal has the potential for real growth and long term profits? Quick cash now or real long term money?


It's tough. The Spirit board has a duty to seek out the best available sale price. That doesn't always mean they HAVE to take the highest offer, but the gap between the $25.83 per share valuation for Spirit at the announcement from Frontier and the $33 offer from JetBlue is too wide IMO to just dismiss out of hand.

It seems JetBlue can now (or can easily procure) the financing to back up their offer. So, if securing financing isn't an issue, the Spirit board could try to argue that the deal from JetBlue has less deal closure certainty on regulatory grounds, and thus that is a reason to not accept it. Not sure how much water that will carry since there were already calls from congress to look into the Frontier deal. Is the market that much more secure that the DOJ would let Frontier pass but would stop JetBlue? JetBlue seems to be saying they can squeeze more synergies out of Spirit - so the board can't fall back to that as a rejection basis either. Spirit doesn't look to have many activist style investors, but no doubt there's been some form of communication from Frontier and Spirit to try and gauge how supportive large shareholders are between the deals and what (if applicable) they might find to be a reasonable increased bid from Frontier.

Frontier/Indigo has to be crunching the numbers now to determine how and if they want to respond. We shouldn't have to wait long to find out.


Well - my line of thinking seems to be proven a bit off. They're all in on the regulatory concern making it less likely to close.

The next option for JetBlue, other than truly throwing more cash into their offer, is to pivot to Spirit's shareholders and try to get them to not support the Frontier transaction. I've got to believe there's been some level of interaction with Spirit shareholders behind the scenes already to gauge how they're feeling. JetBlue could escalate this all the way to a full public hostile offer and let Spirit shareholders choose one or the other. A date for Spirit shareholders to vote on the Frontier deal has not yet been finalized.

Edit: Just to add....public hostile offers are very rare, and there's still a way to go before that sort of decision needs to be made....
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 5:24 pm

INFINITI329 wrote:
DTW and ORD are current NK midwest hubs


How many daily flights by NK out of DTW or ORD?

Fewer than 150-200 gives neither frequency nor destination set to go up against the multiple 500-900 per day flight hubs of AA/DL/UA.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 5:33 pm

BEG2IAH wrote:
Spirit added that "given this substantial completion risk, we believe JetBlue's economic offer is illusory, and Spirit's board has not found it necessary to consider it."


'Substantial completion risk' = JetBlue not being able to finance it and/or the DOJ suing to block it, either suing successfully or scaring away B6.

As a % of the transaction price B6's offered break-up fee is above the norm, but, IMHO $200 million isn't an adequate break-up fee in this instance, given that NK would have costs to work toward completing the deal, and that F9 might not be interested a year from now after the DOJ acts. It's obvious that a BK+B6 deal would face strong headwinds. NK's Board evaluated and declined. Sure, B6 can go the hostile route. What do you think that would do for workgroup integration?! :eek:
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 6:08 pm

 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 6:26 pm

LAXintl wrote:

I really question the assertion that F9's bid won't look much different to the federal government than B6's.
 
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 6:30 pm

The full letter has leaked and just wow…

https://mobile.twitter.com/rossfeinstei ... 3961101312


H. Mclntyre Gardner
Chairman of the Board
Edward M. Christie Ill
President and Chief Executive Officer
Spirit Airlines, Inc.
2800 Executive Way
Miramar, FL 33025
April 29, 2022
Dear Mr. Gardner and Mr. Christie:
On behalf of JetBlue Airways Corporation ("JetBlue"), we are pleased to submit an update to our
proposal dated March 29, 2022 (such proposal, our "March Proposal," and together with this letter,
our "Proposal") to acquire all of the outstanding common stock of Spirit Airlines, Inc. ("Spirit") for
$33 per share in cash.
Acquiring Spirit has been a strategic objective of JetBlue for many years and, as such, we were
disappointed that the Spirit Board of Directors (the "Spirit Board") elected not to have any
discussions with us prior to the announcement of Sprit's transaction with Frontier Group Holdings,
Inc. ("Frontier"). This lack of engagement regrettably resulted in Spirit entering into a transaction
with Frontier that clearly does not maximize value for Spirit's stockholders.
Following the determination of the Spirit Board on April 7, 2022 that our March Proposal could
reasonably be likely to lead to a Superior Proposal', we have been ready, willing and able to work
diligently with your team to complete a negotiated transaction. That said, while we appreciate the
limited information received to date and time spent by your management team, we have been
disappointed by the lack of progress made since submitting our March Proposal, including the fact
that you have not facilitated the finalization of a customary clean team agreement, a precursor to
completing the limited diligence necessary to deliver to you and your stockholders a finalized
"Superior Proposal" for you to accept. By not receiving access to the basic diligence information
that was provided to Frontier, and that we requested in order to finalize a proposed transaction, we
firmly believe your stockholders are being disadvantaged
Our legal counsel has spent considerable time discussing with your counsel the outcome of our
regulatory analysis and the basis of our conviction in our ability to complete the proposed
transaction, summarized below. Despite these discussions, on April 25, 2022, you communicated
to us what you described as contractual precursors relating to the regulatory components of our
proposal to your willingness to share the diligence information we have requested. Your demands,
including a "hell or high water" antitrust commitment, which is unprecedented in airline transactions,
and a reverse break-up fee that exceeds almost all precedent transactions, are off-market and
contrast starkly to the limited regulatory commitments made by Frontier, a transaction with a similar
regulatory profile
Nonetheless, to be responsive to your expressed concerns regarding JetBlue's ability to
consummate a transaction, we are enclosing a merger agreement (our "Proposed Merger
Agreement") that includes our proposed regulatory efforts covenant, the amount of the reverse

consistent with precedent airline transactions that are fundamentally more favorable for Sprit
stockholders than those contained in the Frontier Agreement. Importantly, as more fully described
in our Proposed Merger Agreement, JetBlue is prepared to agree to the following terms:
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Regulatory Covenant: we are willing to commit to use our reasonable best efforts to obtain
regulatory approval, with an express obligation to litigate and to divest assets of JetBlue
and Spirit up to a material adverse effect on Spirit, with a limited carve-out to this divestiture
obligation for actions that would represent a "Burdensome Condition" under JetBlue's
Northeast Alliance; and
Reverse Break-Up Fee: a $200 million reverse break-up fee, representing approximately
~$1.80 per Spirit share, that would become payable to Spirit in the unlikely event our
transaction is not consummated for antitrust reasons. This amount represents
approximately 8% of Spirit's share price on February 4, 2022, before the announcement of
the Frontier transaction, and approximately 45% of the original premium paid by Frontier.
Both these concessions are far superior compared to those contemplated by the Frontier
Agreement, as:
Frontier is not required to undertake any divestitures to obtain the necessary regulatory
approvals to close its transaction, despite having greater overlap with Spirit on non-stop
routes than JetBlue does, among other regulatory hurdles; and
Frontier is not required to pay a reverse break-up fee if the transaction is not consummated
for antitrust reasons.
In addition to these contractual commitments more favorable than those offered by Frontier, in
order to address the concerns identified by your counsel, we will proactively offer to the DOJ a
remedy package that contemplates the divestiture of all Spirit assets located in New York and
Boston so, as a result of the transaction, we do not increase our presence in the airports covered
by our Northeast Alliance, as well as gates and related assets at other airports, including Fort
Lauderdale.
The absence both of meaningful remedial obligations and a reverse break-up fee in the Frontier
Agreement mean that despite obvious hurdles for its own transaction, Frontier, at its own option,
could simply decline to make any regulatory concessions and abandon the transaction at no cost
(or compensation to Spirit or its stockholders). In stark contrast to the transaction with Frontier, our
Proposed Merger Agreement offers Spirit and its stockholders a clear path to completion based on
its merits, critical commitments to consummate our proposed transaction according to its terms,
and in the unlikely event it is not, financial compensation for Spirit. We firmly believe that it is in
the best interest of your stockholders for you to accept our Proposal, which has significantly greater
odds of achieving regulatory clearance given the stronger regulatory commitment on our part
compared to Frontier.
Updated Proposal Continues to Represent Superior Value for Spirit Stockholders
Let me also remind you of the superior value that our Proposal offers Spirit stockholders: $33 in
cash per common share, which implies a total Equity Value for Spirit of $3.6 billion and an
Enterprise Value of $7.3 billion.5 This represents:

break-up fee and those other matters necessary to reflect the terms of our Proposal. The regulatory
commitments in our Proposed Merger Agreement represent a significant improvement from those
offered by Frontier and demonstrate both our confidence in our ability to obtain the required
regulatory approvals, as well as our commitment to deliver substantial value to your stockholders.
We firmly believe these additional terms, as described below, further improve our Proposal,
enhancing its already clear superiority to the transaction with Frontier, and provide the Spirit Board
with the necessary comfort around the certainty of closing our proposed transaction.
Our Proposal offers Spirit stockholders both superior financial value and greater certainty than the
Frontier transaction - we therefore fully expect the Spirit Board to allow us to complete our due
diligence, finalize the definitive transaction documentation and conclude that our Proposal is a
Superior Proposal. Any different outcome would be puzzling and would deprive your stockholders
of the most attractive value creating opportunity available to them. It is inconceivable to us that the
Spirit Board would conclude that the Frontier transaction with no regulatory commitments would
have greater odds of regulatory approval than our Proposal, given our meaningful requlatory
commitment and reverse break-up fee, or that Spirit's stockholders would prefer the ~$22 per share
value? of the Frontier transaction to our Proposal of $33 per share in cash
Proposed Merger Agreement with Strong Regulatory Commitments
As our legal counsel and our economists have shared with your advisors over the last few weeks,
for the reasons discussed below, we are highly confident that we will obtain the necessary
regulatory clearances in approximately the same timeframe from entering into a definitive
agreement as the proposed transaction with Frontier. We expect the Spirit Board will take this
information into account when assessing our Proposal.
More generally, we disagree with any assessment that our Proposal presents significantly more
regulatory risk than the Frontier transaction. To the contrary, a combined JetBlue-Spirit will create
a more compelling and viable competitor to the big four carriers that control more than 80% of the
U.S. market. Additionally, JetBlue's entry into new routes triggers fare decreases from legacy
airlines that are more significant than those resulting from ultra-low-cost carriers; this phenomenon
has been described as the "JetBlue Effect". Our recent economic analysis shows JetBlue's
presence on a nonstop route decreases legacy fares by ~16%, about three times as much as the
presence of an ultra-low-cost carrier on the same route. We believe that JetBlue's expedited
expansion and the resulting net fare decreases, coupled with the demonstrated ease of other ultra-
low-cost carriers' continued expansion and the divestitures we are prepared to undertake, will
address any regulatory concerns that the Spirit Board, the regulators, and the courts may have.
In addition:

Both transactions would create the number 5 airline carrier; a combined JetBlue and Spirit
would have a 9% market share based on full year 2022 seats compared to 8% for a
combined Frontier and Spirit;
JetBlue overlaps with Spirit only on 48 nonstop routes compared to Spirit and Frontier's
overlap on 76 nonstop routes?; and
JetBlue has also less overlap in flights, seats, and ASMs than Frontier in the metropolitan
areas served by both.4
To be responsive, however, to the Spirit Board's concerns regarding closing certainty, in addition
to the superior cash price, our Proposed Merger Agreement includes regulatory commitments
a 52%® premium to Spirit's closing share price as of February 4, 2022 (the last trading day
prior to Spirit's announcement of its proposed transaction with Frontier):
a 50%7 premium to Spirit's closing share price as of April 4, 2022 (the last trading day
before our March Proposal being publicly disclosed); and
a 47%8 premium to the implied value of the proposed transaction with Frontier on April 28
2022.
Our Proposal clearly provides superior economic value to the transaction with Frontier, including
value certainty and immediate liquidity for your stockholders given the all-cash consideration, and
avoids the inherent uncertainty in the Frontier stock-for-stock transaction. The value of Frontier's
stock is subject to significant risks related to the realization of meaningful synergies, complex
integration plans, retention of key employees, as well as an industry-wide challenging operating
environment and market conditions. The market clearly appreciates these risks, with the value of
the Frontier stock declining from $12.39 on February 4, 2022 to $10.62 on April 28, 2022 (a
decrease of 14.3%, underperforming the airline index which increased by 4.8%° over the same
period).
The value of the Frontier transaction has declined from $25.83 to $22.44 over the same period
resulting in approximately $370 million of value erosion for the Spirit stockholders. Additionally,
having had the opportunity to review the Spirit financial projections underpinning the transaction
with Frontier, we believe those projections to be based on unrealistically optimistic assumptions,
including, in particular, with respect to personnel attrition and wage inflation. The market more
broadly shares our skepticism in the Spirit projections:

Frontier's and Spirit's management forecasts for their combined EBITDAR for 2022 and
2023 are higher than analysts' consensus estimates by approximately 25%;
Since Spirit's projections were made public in the joint proxy statement/registration
statement for the transaction, no analyst increased its forecasts for EBITDAR and the
Frontier stock price declined 3.5% on the day, demonstrating how investors are giving little
credit to the companies' forecasts; and
The average target price from analysts covering Frontier has declined by approximately
18% since the announcement of the transaction with Spirit.
The market has no confidence in those projections, gives little credit to future synergies, and
significantly discounts the future value creation of the Frontier transaction. We firmly believe that
Spirit stockholders would be in a far superior position receiving our riskless, substantial cash
premium.
Compelling Strategic Rationale and Unique Opportunity for Spirit Team Members
Despite our questions regarding the projected financial information we have seen, we remain
committed to the strong strategic rationale of combining our two businesses: enhanced scale,
differentiated customer offering, route expansion, increased relevance of the network, creation of
a new strategic hub in Fort Lauderdale and more financial flexibility will allow the combined
company to compete with "Big Four" carriers more effectivelv.
Additionally, the transaction will better position the combined company to tackle the challenges
specific to the current environment, such as aircraft and pilot shortages, and elevated cost inflation,
which can be mitigated with increased scale. A larger and more flexible network will also enable
more reliable and less volatile operations.

We also look forward to onboarding the Spirit Team Members. We expect they will be instrumental
in executing the integration following the transaction. A combined JetBlue / Spirit will deploy best
practices across the enlarged business, and we would look to select the best-in-class team.
Summary and Next Steps
Our Proposal represents a compelling opportunity for your stockholders to receive a
significant premium in cash, with greater value and certainty than the proposed transaction
with Frontier. The additional terms of our Proposal, as reflected herein and in the Proposed
Merger Agreement, further widen the gap and unequivocally provide superior value and certainty
to Spirit stockholders, making our Proposal definitively a Superior Proposal. We strongly believe
that accepting our Proposal is in the best interests of your stockholders, and we urge you to
consider it in order for them to realize the substantial benefits of our transaction. Any further delav
in allowing us access to the limited information we need to complete our diligence will deprive your
stockholders of the opportunity to benefit from a transaction that is clearly superior to your current
transaction.
We are willing to move swiftly to finalize our proposed transaction and we hope that we can continue
to work together to achieve the optimal outcome for your stockholders, customers and Team
Members.
We expect that the finalization of definitive documentation and confirmatory due
diligence, alongside obtaining committed financing, will be completed expeditiously through access
to the limited information we originally requested, which we have attached to this letter. We and
our advisors remain ready and available to discuss and promptly finalize the terms of our clearly
superior proposal.
Given the opportunity to benefit from the significant cash premium and immediate liquidity, we are
confident that the Spirit stockholders will embrace our Proposal, as evidenced by the Spirit stock
price reaction upon the disclosure of our Proposal on April 5. While we would unquestionably prefer
to negotiate a transaction with you, if you continue to refuse to constructively engage with us so
that we can deliver this value to your stockholders, we are actively considering all other options
available to us.
Other
All information contained herein or related to the contents of this letter, including the terms of our
Proposal, are subject to the terms of the Confidentiality Agreement, dated as of April 8, 2022, by
and between Spirit and JetBlue. This letter is not intended to be and is not a binding contract
between us or an offer by us capable of acceptance, and there will be no legally binding contract
or agreement between JetBlue and Spirit regarding a transaction unless and until a definitive
agreement is executed and delivered.
Sincerely,
/s/ Robin Hayes
Chief Executive Officer

© Represents premium over Spirit's $21.73 closing share price on February 4, 2022.
" Represents premium over Spirit's $21.99 closing share price on April 4, 2022.
8 Represents premium over $22.44 implied value of Frontier transaction as of April 28, 2022
° Represents performance of US GLOBAL JETS INDEX between February 4 and April 28, 2022.


I dont think we have ever seen the inner makings of a merger discussion out in the open like this.

Jetblue admits they have been aiming for NK for years and they also insinuate that NK’s management is acting suspiciously.

This is golden airline drama!
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BEG2IAH
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 6:45 pm

Somehow, conveniently, B6 keeps forgetting to mention that DoJ is suing them and AA (AMR) to stop the NEA. And at the same time, the NEA is part of this "superior" offer. Who's the Counsel for B6?

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice- ... rlines-and
 
Brickell305
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 7:11 pm

BEG2IAH wrote:
Somehow, conveniently, B6 keeps forgetting to mention that DoJ is suing them and AA (AMR) to stop the NEA. And at the same time, the NEA is part of this "superior" offer. Who's the Counsel for B6?

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice- ... rlines-and

This entire thing seems like amateur hour at OK Corral.
 
BEG2IAH
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 7:19 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
This entire thing seems like amateur hour at OK Corral.


That was my impression too.
 
flight152
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Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

Mon May 02, 2022 7:24 pm

Oh JetBlue. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

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