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DHL 757 HP-2010DAE Crash SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 4:52 pm

HP-2010DAE (mfr 1999, ex-FAT/EVA Air) is off the runway at SJO after a hydraulics malfunction; I was hesitant to call this a crash, but considering the airframe is in pieces, I guess that's an accurate description.

Video on Twitter: https://twitter.com/CR_Aviation/status/ ... 7084728331
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/hp-2010dae

 
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DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 4:53 pm

Aircraft allegedly returned to the airport with a hydraulic issue and went off the runway and broke into 2 on the return. Video of the aircraft linked below.
https://twitter.com/cr_aviation/status/ ... KgQbHZl8hQ
Last edited by SQ22 on Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Typo fixed
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJU

Thu Apr 07, 2022 4:54 pm

It crashed at SJO, not SJU.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJU

Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:11 pm

It crashed at SJO San Jose, Costa Rica. Operated by DHL AeroExpreso based out of PTY.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJU

Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:14 pm

I don't think that's going to be repaired somehow.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:17 pm

Typo has been fixed, thanks for reporting it.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJU

Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:18 pm

Dumb question - but to cargo aircraft have escape slides on the L1 door, or to they just use a rope for the crew to evacuate?
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:23 pm

Video of the accident in this tweet:
https://twitter.com/adsbcr/status/15121 ... jJaEqDGREw
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:36 pm

Accident from another angle: https://twitter.com/AlertaNews/status/1 ... 0156933121
info is in Spanish but seems to say something about a problem reported to the tower.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJU

Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:37 pm

JannEejit wrote:
I don't think that's going to be repaired somehow.

Nothing some speed tape can't fix.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:39 pm

That'll buff right out !
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJU

Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:39 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Dumb question - but to cargo aircraft have escape slides on the L1 door, or to they just use a rope for the crew to evacuate?


Don't know the answer to that, but they were actually taken off the aircraft by firefighters using ladders. Just saw a video a few minutes ago of them coming out.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:40 pm

It's incredible how many accidents/incidents are caught on camera these days. Even a 737 suddenly nose diving in the middle of China just happens to be caught on at least two cameras.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:41 pm

Interesting, I wonder why it made that right turn into the ditch or if the hydraulic issue also effected the nose gear in some way, or if that was turned the entire time and it finally got traction which is what caused the turn. Too bad, that plane was so close to being stopped on the pavement. Glad the crew is fine.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:50 pm

Such a shame the aircraft ended up crashing at the very end. But, it definitely looked like the crew would have escaped with little to minor injury and you can't put a price on that.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJU

Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:00 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Dumb question - but to cargo aircraft have escape slides on the L1 door, or to they just use a rope for the crew to evacuate?


Everyone I've seen has escape slides to accommodate any supernumeraries that might be traveling along with the cargo but are not really crewmembers, since the ropes or reels require training. There are a lot of different variants though with multiple conversions per type and new builds on top of that. So it is possible there is something out there that deletes the escape slide at the L1 door.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:09 pm

 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:18 pm

Another angle from my Twitter account: https://twitter.com/xbmpro/status/15121 ... V7eORoTClw
 
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Re: DHL 757 HP-2010DAE Crash SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:19 pm

N5301D wrote:
I was hesitant to call this a crash, but considering the airframe is in pieces, I guess that's an accurate description.


I think one could safely go with "accident" since that has a specific meaning in civil aviation and this event would be accurately described that way.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:26 pm

trnswrld wrote:
Interesting, I wonder why it made that right turn into the ditch or if the hydraulic issue also effected the nose gear in some way, or if that was turned the entire time and it finally got traction which is what caused the turn. Too bad, that plane was so close to being stopped on the pavement. Glad the crew is fine.


In various videos you can see that the brakes start smoking before it starts sliding sideways. It kinda looks like the right brakes locked up.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJU

Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:32 pm

nws2002 wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Dumb question - but to cargo aircraft have escape slides on the L1 door, or to they just use a rope for the crew to evacuate?


Everyone I've seen has escape slides to accommodate any supernumeraries that might be traveling along with the cargo but are not really crewmembers, since the ropes or reels require training. There are a lot of different variants though with multiple conversions per type and new builds on top of that. So it is possible there is something out there that deletes the escape slide at the L1 door.


Not sure about DHL AeroExpreso, but UPS' 757/767 fleet does not have slides, just escape ropes and reels.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:51 pm

Sad, another gone from the air to soon.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:55 pm

BlueberryWheats wrote:
It's incredible how many accidents/incidents are caught on camera these days.

Crew members had announced hydraulic problems before landing at SJO.
Fire equipments were ready as well.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:55 pm

I'm certainly no expert, but the aircraft seemed to largely be doing alright on that runway until the smoke appeared from the main gear. With hydraulic failures, steering capability can be affected, so I wonder if there was asymmetrical drag/friction as a result of one set of tires blowing or locking up. It is important to point out there were significant left rudder inputs before the gear smoke.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:17 pm

To add to that, the thrust reverser on engine no 2 seems to be deployed whereas the one on engine no 1 isn't. This might have contributed to the right turn.

Edit: As can be seen here:

CRBM666 wrote:
Another angle from my Twitter account: https://twitter.com/xbmpro/status/15121 ... V7eORoTClw
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:25 pm

trnswrld wrote:
Interesting, I wonder why it made that right turn into the ditch or if the hydraulic issue also effected the nose gear in some way, or if that was turned the entire time and it finally got traction which is what caused the turn. Too bad, that plane was so close to being stopped on the pavement. Glad the crew is fine.


Finally something I get to chime in on as an automotive engineer! It looks like only the left main landing gear is smoking which could introduce two separate possibilities(assuming there isn’t a rightward steer input from the captain but I personally can’t tell from the video).

1) Left MLG locked up for some reason and the resulting difference in yaw moment between the left and right MLG caused the rotation. I personally have my doubt about this one because, I have a hard time believing it would cause this much rotation. In my experience locking up on dry ground should at least provide you with 40-50% braking power on that wheel. Granted most of my tire modeling experience is with small race car tires and there are bound to be difference between those and aviation tires. So I could be wrong there.

2) Hydraulic failure of the brakes on the LMG. This would obviously depend on having separate systems (or at least an automated circuit isolation mechanism) to maintain hydraulic pressure on the right side. The smoke in this case would be hydraulic fluid burning on the brakes
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:30 pm

it looked like the mlg doors were open? glad to hear the crew is ok.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:45 pm

From local press releases as I live very close to San Jose, Costa Rica downtown.
The 757 took off from SJO at 09.36 local time bound for Guatemala City.
Translation from the cabin desk when climbing at 21 000 feet above sea level: "Mayday, mayday, mayday. We've got issues in the left hydraulic system. We're two souls on board. We actually have 2.30' of jet-fuel."
Thus, the emergency was declared. The plane returned and touched down at 10.26 local time at SJO runway 07.

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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:51 pm

seat1a wrote:
it looked like the mlg doors were open? glad to hear the crew is ok.


Nose gear doors too. Typical to see in a hyd sys failure. I agree, glad the crew's ok.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:51 pm

Well, makes unloading the cargo easier with the new rear cargo door.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:57 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
From local press releases as I live very close to San Jose, Costa Rica downtown.
"Mayday, mayday, mayday. We've got issues in the left hydraulic system. We're two souls on board. We actually have 2.30' of jet-fuel."


It’s been many years but IIRC with loss of fluid in the left hyd system you lose nose wheel steering, this requires use of differential braking to maintain directional control. This could explain why they lit up the brakes when things got sideways.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:15 pm

Sad that a 757 just left our skies. :(

Anyway, sorry if it seems like a dumb question, but in video that an above user mentioned, I don't see thrust reversers deployed? The pilots claimed that they had failure in the left hydraulic system, which impaired the braking. But wouldn't they have been able to deploy thrust reversers? Even if they only deployed the right thrust reverser, could they have done it slowly and gradually so the asymmetric thrust isn't as much of a problem? Would they not have overran if they did that? Sorry if it seems dumb but I was just wondering.
https://twitter.com/xbmpro/status/15121 ... V7eORoTClw
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:38 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
Sad that a 757 just left our skies. :(

Anyway, sorry if it seems like a dumb question, but in video that an above user mentioned, I don't see thrust reversers deployed? The pilots claimed that they had failure in the left hydraulic system, which impaired the braking. But wouldn't they have been able to deploy thrust reversers? Even if they only deployed the right thrust reverser, could they have done it slowly and gradually so the asymmetric thrust isn't as much of a problem? Would they not have overran if they did that? Sorry if it seems dumb but I was just wondering.
https://twitter.com/xbmpro/status/15121 ... V7eORoTClw


On the 757 is you lose the left Hydraulic system you have to land F20. Some spoiler panels are inoperative, left thrust reverser is inoperative, nosewheel steering is inoperative. Use of differential braking is allowed and at the airport elevation and max gross weight they would have needed around 5,500’ of available runway. It should not have wound up doing a ground loop. Perhaps they had additional failures that are not know at this time.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 10:13 pm

Didn't an Air Jamaica 752 the same age as this one crash land like this after a hydraulic failure in 2018?
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 10:26 pm

We'll dub this, "the Etihad Ouchie"

Yikes!

 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJU

Thu Apr 07, 2022 10:30 pm

asuflyer wrote:
It crashed at SJO San Jose, Costa Rica. Operated by DHL AeroExpreso based out of PTY.


Well I wouldn't call it a crash but rather, as I used to read in some publications back in the days, DBR (Damaged Beyond Repair) in a landing accident.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 10:42 pm

SJO is opened again. No more than six hours after the accident.
However, many flights were previously canceled for the known reason.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 10:50 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
Sad that a 757 just left our skies. :(

Anyway, sorry if it seems like a dumb question, but in video that an above user mentioned, I don't see thrust reversers deployed? The pilots claimed that they had failure in the left hydraulic system, which impaired the braking. But wouldn't they have been able to deploy thrust reversers? Even if they only deployed the right thrust reverser, could they have done it slowly and gradually so the asymmetric thrust isn't as much of a problem? Would they not have overran if they did that? Sorry if it seems dumb but I was just wondering.
https://twitter.com/xbmpro/status/15121 ... V7eORoTClw


Maybe they'll take one of AA 's 2001-02 builds who hasn't found a home as a replacement?
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:21 pm

Maybe some blown tires also contributed to the right swing? The crew clearly tried everything to save it. I'm glad the crew is safe! Planes can be fixed or replaced. Sad, looks like she might be a write-off.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:33 pm

smokeybandit wrote:
Well, makes unloading the cargo easier with the new rear cargo door.



Swing tail.

Looking at the pictures, did that thing even land on the runway? Something doesn’t look quite right…
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:20 am

trnswrld wrote:
Interesting, I wonder why it made that right turn into the ditch or if the hydraulic issue also effected the nose gear in some way, or if that was turned the entire time and it finally got traction which is what caused the turn. Too bad, that plane was so close to being stopped on the pavement. Glad the crew is fine.



It was that or crash through the fence onto a busy highway they had no choice SJO isn’t that long a runway.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:26 am

Thrusty69 wrote:
smokeybandit wrote:
Well, makes unloading the cargo easier with the new rear cargo door.



Swing tail.

Looking at the pictures, did that thing even land on the runway? Something doesn’t look quite right…


I'm assuming you didn't watch any of the videos. ;)
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:51 am

How’d it wind up between what appears to be the vehicle service road and the taxiway?
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:52 am

Thrusty69 wrote:
smokeybandit wrote:
Well, makes unloading the cargo easier with the new rear cargo door.



Swing tail.

Looking at the pictures, did that thing even land on the runway? Something doesn’t look quite right…[/

It did, it just spun out at the end.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Fri Apr 08, 2022 2:20 am

DL757NYC wrote:
trnswrld wrote:
Interesting, I wonder why it made that right turn into the ditch or if the hydraulic issue also effected the nose gear in some way, or if that was turned the entire time and it finally got traction which is what caused the turn. Too bad, that plane was so close to being stopped on the pavement. Glad the crew is fine.



It was that or crash through the fence onto a busy highway they had no choice SJO isn’t that long a runway.


I know there’s some elevation, but it’s a 3,000 meter runway (or, in other words, a mile more runway than some places that regularly see or have seen 757 service).
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Fri Apr 08, 2022 3:16 am

This is why the ground next to a runway should be level with the runway wherever it is practical. If there hadn't been the depression/ditch between the runway and the road, this aircraft would most likely still be intact.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:22 am

How would you expect it to go if brakes on one side locked? Would locked wheels or wheels with properly operating brakes have more traction?
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:49 am

Nomadd wrote:
How would you expect it to go if brakes on one side locked? Would locked wheels or wheels with properly operating brakes have more traction?


Locked wheels have less traction, properly working brakes and rotating wheels have more traction. ABS in cars is based on this principle: it reduces brake pressure on a single wheel if that wheel is locking up (rotates less than other wheels).
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:51 am

Further to the discussion above about there being an evacuation slide or no slide, where is the *door*? Door 1L is an outward opening door, and the photos show just a gaping hole for the door opening.
 
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Re: DHL 757 off runway at SJO

Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:56 am

LTEN11 wrote:
This is why the ground next to a runway should be level with the runway wherever it is practical. If there hadn't been the depression/ditch between the runway and the road, this aircraft would most likely still be intact.


The aircraft is quite far off the runway. There is the runway and taxiway, then grass, then a service road and then a drain at the other side of the service road. It broke up when it crossed the service road and then hit the drain. The pavement you see at the right of the image is not the runway, but a taxi way which is at a 45 degree angle off the runway.

SJOtoLIR wrote:
From local press releases as I live very close to San Jose, Costa Rica downtown.
The 757 took off from SJO at 09.36 local time bound for Guatemala City.
Translation from the cabin desk when climbing at 21 000 feet above sea level: "Mayday, mayday, mayday. We've got issues in the left hydraulic system. We're two souls on board. We actually have 2.30' of jet-fuel."
Thus, the emergency was declared. The plane returned and touched down at 10.26 local time at SJO runway 07.

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