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Re: World's busiest airports announced, ATL regains title, no Europe in top10

Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:07 pm

BENAir01 wrote:
Is there anywhere with lists of movements? Busiest airports by movements? I wonder if the list would look a little different, where major cargo airports like ANC would fall, and given the rise in GA of any GA airports would be highly ranked

One of the busiest airports in the world by movements is actually NAS Whiting Field in Milton, FL. Its one of two locations for Navy primary training using the T-6B Texan II and is also the only location for USN helicopter training using the TH-57 SeaRanger.
 
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Re: World's busiest airports announced, ATL regains title, no Europe in top10

Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:31 pm

kordcj wrote:
william wrote:
BENAir01 wrote:
Is there anywhere with lists of movements? Busiest airports by movements? I wonder if the list would look a little different, where major cargo airports like ANC would fall, and given the rise in GA of any GA airports would be highly ranked

Scroll down, its from 2021 though

https://aci.aero/2022/04/11/the-top-10- ... -revealed/

Expect DFW to move up to #2 or take #1 this year. a first for DFW if it happens.


If you look at the numbers, DFW is near its pre-pandemic peak, and probably won’t be climbing much higher. ORD and ATL are still on the rise. I highly doubt DFW will be claiming 1 or 2 for 2022, unless there’s some major changes coming to ATL/ORD. For most of the last half of 2021, I believe ORD claimed number 1 in monthly movements.


We will see when AA/ Eagle institutes its summer schedule.
 
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Re: World's busiest airports announced, ATL regains title, no Europe in top10

Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:33 pm

Ellofiend wrote:
I feel like the more significant indicator of airport importance on the global scale is combined passenger km's, giving international gateways the recognition that they deserve as opposed to these domestic hubs that really don't have an international impact

I think that’s a terrible way of doing it. Is an LHR-LAX flight more “international” or more important than an LHR-BOS or LHR-JFK flight simply because it’s longer?
 
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Re: World's busiest airports announced, ATL regains title, no Europe in top10

Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:37 pm

Amazing HKG held on to the number one spot for cargo.


bam111998 wrote:
BENAir01 wrote:
Is there anywhere with lists of movements? Busiest airports by movements? I wonder if the list would look a little different, where major cargo airports like ANC would fall, and given the rise in GA of any GA airports would be highly ranked

One of the busiest airports in the world by movements is actually NAS Whiting Field in Milton, FL. Its one of two locations for Navy primary training using the T-6B Texan II and is also the only location for USN helicopter training using the TH-57 SeaRanger.


Interesting. I believe the busiest airport on record for movements was Saigon Tan Son Nhat in 1968 with over 1,000,000 estimated movements.
 
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Re: World's busiest airports announced, ATL regains title, no Europe in top10

Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:38 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
Thought I would add the list for those who don't want to scroll through the link:

World's top 10 busiest airports for passenger traffic in 2021
1. Atlanta (ATL): 75.7 million passengers, up 76% from 2020
2. Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW): 62.5 million passengers, up 59% from 2020
3. Denver (DEN): 58.8 million passengers, up 74% from 2020
4. Chicago O'Hare (ORD): 54 million passengers, up 75% from 2020
5. Los Angeles (LAX): 48 million passengers, up 67% from 2020
6. Charlotte (CLT): 43.3 million passengers, up 59% from 2020
7. Orlando (MCO): 40.4 million passengers, up 87% from 2020
8. Guangzhou (CAN): 40.3 million passengers, down 8% from 2020
9. Chengdu (CTU): 40.1 million passengers, down 1.5% from 2020
10. Las Vegas (LAS): 39.8 million passengers, up 79% from 2020

Weird seeing ORD At No. 4, but nothing about the last 2+ years surprises me at this point.



No real surprise considering the number of countries in Europe all had their own lockdown policies whereas most US movements are mostly domestic. It would be interesting to know the figures by city such London and Paris. London between all their airports are usually well ahead at number 1.
 
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Re: World's busiest airports announced, ATL regains title, no Europe in top10

Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:03 pm

Ellofiend wrote:
I feel like the more significant indicator of airport importance on the global scale is combined passenger km's, giving international gateways the recognition that they deserve as opposed to these domestic hubs that really don't have an international impact

I agree that passenger km's per airport would be another interesting metric to look at.
 
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Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:15 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
Ellofiend wrote:
I feel like the more significant indicator of airport importance on the global scale is combined passenger km's, giving international gateways the recognition that they deserve as opposed to these domestic hubs that really don't have an international impact

I think that’s a terrible way of doing it. Is an LHR-LAX flight more “international” or more important than an LHR-BOS or LHR-JFK flight simply because it’s longer?


Passenger kms might be a better indicator of revenue - but only if you're willing to ignore differences in yield.

The metric of choice was explicit in the OP's post. It's not a bad one.

Sure, go ahead and aggregate the London or Paris airports. Be sure to aggregate the LAX and NYC ones, too, while you're at it.
 
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Re: World's busiest airports announced, ATL regains title, no Europe in top10

Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:58 am

flyPIT wrote:
Amazing HKG held on to the number one spot for cargo.

Why?

Their cargo component (both O&D and transfer) is almost entirely international, the one segment of the industry that was doing great (and in some cases, better) throughout the pandemic.

And with only the flight crew (if at all) subject to the kooky quarantine requirements (as opposed to cabin crew in addition), freighters weren't as adversely affected.



MIflyer12 wrote:
Passenger kms might be a better indicator of revenue

Within a given market segment perhaps, but they're certainly not worldwide, for a variety of reasons.

For example, sure a JFK-LHR and a JFK-CDG might be similar in revenue; but pre-pandemic, it wasn't uncommon to see an LAX/SFO - PEK/PVG/CAN/etc flight for $500 or less, including tax, roundtrip; just due to the slew of secondary carriers flying tertiary Chinese routes, at costs way below typical market.

You could hop on a nonstop to the likes of Jinan, Kunming, Qindao, etc for half the price of a BOS-DUB or BOS-LHR, despite being twice the distance.
 
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Re: World's busiest airports announced, ATL regains title, no Europe in top10

Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:35 am

LAX772LR wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Amazing HKG held on to the number one spot for cargo.

Why?

Their cargo component (both O&D and transfer) is almost entirely international, the one segment of the industry that was doing great (and in some cases, better) throughout the pandemic.

And with only the flight crew (if at all) subject to the kooky quarantine requirements (as opposed to cabin crew in addition), freighters weren't as adversely affected.

A large proportion of HKG’s freight travels as belly freight, which had its capacity slashed.
 
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Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:36 am

Interesting that IAH doesn’t make the list. Great to see so much growth in DEN and CLT.
 
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Re: World's busiest airports announced, ATL regains title, no Europe in top10

Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:53 am

flyPIT wrote:
A large proportion of HKG’s freight travels as belly freight, which had its capacity slashed.

Clearly not enough to make a difference.

Also, for much of the early through mid pandemic, many (through granted not all) of those widebodies were still flying, not only with freight in the belly, but also in the cabin.



avi8 wrote:
Interesting that IAH doesn’t make the list.

Not really.

While not equal to the traditional coastal gateways, IAH has always punched well above its weight in terms of int'l traffic, due to the nature of the energy biz.

And as mentioned many times in this thread alone, that sector has been far slower to recover than the more-domestic oriented hubs.
 
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Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:54 am

avi8 wrote:
Interesting that IAH doesn’t make the list. Great to see so much growth in DEN and CLT.


IAH is 18. The 11 through 20 are:

11) Phoenix
12) Miami
13) Istanbul
14) Shenzhen
15)Seattle
16) Mexico City
17) Chongquing
18) Houston-IAH
19) Shanghai-Hongqiao
20) Beijing-Capital
 
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Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:56 am

lugie wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Manderson12 wrote:
Yes, but LAX slipped even more

No surprise, seeing as is has such a massive international component. Same for JFK and SFO.

Of the USA's big-4 directional gateways (NE, SE, NW, SW), Miami was spared the most. I'm guessing the domestic traffic from AA's buildup, plus B6 and F9 entering, helped.


I assume the large amount of leisure travel to the Caribbean (and to a lesser extent in the case of MIA, Mexico) in 2021 helped immensely with that too. While in 2020 a lot of Americans spent their vacation at home (if they did any at all), 2021 saw a strong resurgence of international travel which due to ongoing limitations in the TATL market was channeled mostly toward the Caribbean, where countries had much laxer immigration rules if they had any at all.


Also there’s the fact that Miami quickly gained back almost all its long haul capacity outside of Brazil, which is still doing rough. Even trans-Atlantic capacity is up compared to 2019.
 
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Re: World's busiest airports announced, ATL regains title, no Europe in top10

Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:49 am

avi8 wrote:
Interesting that IAH doesn’t make the list. Great to see so much growth in DEN and CLT.


IAH is number 10 for a/c movements. A bit of a surprise as even though it is always high on that list with UA closing so many RJ routes scores of a/c movements were lost.
 
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Re: World's busiest airports announced, ATL regains title, no Europe in top10

Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:46 pm

Please post a source for factual information. Otherwise, we must treat as copywrite infringement.
 
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Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:16 pm

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Please post a source for factual information. Otherwise, we must treat as copywrite infringement.


Facts can't be the subject of copyright, only creative works.
 
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Re: World's busiest airports announced, ATL regains title, no Europe in top10

Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:28 pm

This is slightly off topic (or a lot off topic), but does anyone know where to get Cargo #s for 2021? I'm curious about that.
 
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Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:23 pm

jhud922 wrote:
This is slightly off topic (or a lot off topic), but does anyone know where to get Cargo #s for 2021? I'm curious about that.

https://aci.aero/2022/04/11/the-top-10- ... -revealed/
 
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Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:28 pm

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Please post a source for factual information. Otherwise, we must treat as copywrite infringement.

What specifically are you even referring to?

There's a source posted in the OP, and (as correctly stated above) compiled facts aren't subject to copyright regardless of where they're sourced.
 
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Re: World's busiest airports announced, ATL regains title, no Europe in top10

Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:37 pm

flyPIT wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Amazing HKG held on to the number one spot for cargo.

Why?

Their cargo component (both O&D and transfer) is almost entirely international, the one segment of the industry that was doing great (and in some cases, better) throughout the pandemic.

And with only the flight crew (if at all) subject to the kooky quarantine requirements (as opposed to cabin crew in addition), freighters weren't as adversely affected.

A large proportion of HKG’s freight travels as belly freight, which had its capacity slashed.


Most of that cargo that was belly shifted over to pure freighters/belly freight only flights.

HKG still is up there because a lot of carriers shifted to originating crews from Japan, Incheon, GUM, TPE to operate and bring cargo/aircraft into HKG/China, unload/reload and fly to the US or back to GuM, TPE, Japan, Incheon.
 
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Re: World's busiest airports announced, ATL regains title, no Europe in top10

Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:54 am

Just to add to the discussion, the EUROCONTROL report below contains the latest world airport list (2nd week April 2022) based on aircraft movements - see page 21:

The top 10 airports for aircraft movements are currently all in the USA, with AMS as #11, DEL #12, LHR #13, CDG #14, EWR #15th.

Because of the COVID pendemic in China, the first Asian airport is presently HND at #25 !

https://www.eurocontrol.int/sites/defau ... 220414.pdf
 
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Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:22 am

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DEL #12

Because of the COVID pendemic in China, the first Asian airport is presently HND at #25 !

....contradicted your own self.

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