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GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:56 pm

Reports are saying it crashed into a food processing plant on approach. No word on the crew/crew members or any passengers.

Flight was from SLC.

Weather at the time
14:01 UTC / 08:01 local time:
KBYI 131401Z AUTO 20008KT 2 1/2SM -SN BR BKN026 OVC033 M03/M05 A2996 RMK AO2 P0000 T10281050
14:10 UTC / 08:10 local time:
KBYI 131410Z AUTO 19008KT 1SM -SN BR BKN023 OVC028 M03/M05 A2996 RMK AO2 P0000 T10331050
14:40 UTC / 08:40 local time:
KBYI 131440Z AUTO 21008KT 2 1/2SM -SN BKN030 OVC047 M03/M06 A2997 RMK AO2 P0000 T10281056

https://newsradio1310.com/plane-crashes-into-heyburn-factory/

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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Wed Apr 13, 2022 6:01 pm

I think the SLC-Burley run is a cargo only route? Hopefully no injuries
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Wed Apr 13, 2022 6:05 pm

flyoregon wrote:
I think the SLC-Burley run is a cargo only route? Hopefully no injuries


This report claims feeder for UPS. Must have hit one of those silos?
https://twitter.com/CandiceHare_/status/1514293667019706370?s=20&t=RSbpM9enC4F22sVnxp_Img
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:33 pm

They've been trying to relocate this airport for years. It's hemmed in by a highway, railroad tracks, and a river.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:22 am

That plant looks from Google Maps to sit right square in the approach to 20. Disorientation from coming out of the clouds into the snow? Wind doesn't look terrible.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:50 am

The pilot didn't survive. Oh man, that's just so sad.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:15 pm

F9Animal wrote:
The pilot didn't survive. Oh man, that's just so sad.

Indeed it is sad. The fuselage looks relatively intact from the photos, which lead me to believe it was a survivable crash.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:52 pm

AFineUsername wrote:
That plant looks from Google Maps to sit right square in the approach to 20. Disorientation from coming out of the clouds into the snow? Wind doesn't look terrible.


Maybe did not adjust for the cold weather

WayexTDI wrote:
F9Animal wrote:
The fuselage looks relatively intact from the photos, which lead me to believe it was a survivable crash.


The front looks crushed to me.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:59 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
F9Animal wrote:
The pilot didn't survive. Oh man, that's just so sad.

Indeed it is sad. The fuselage looks relatively intact from the photos, which lead me to believe it was a survivable crash.


Yeah, the door being open provided a glimmer of hope but the front end looked to have by far the worst damage. Hitting a building, apparently inverted, is obviously really bad luck. Sad for someone who was just doing their job.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:05 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
F9Animal wrote:
The pilot didn't survive. Oh man, that's just so sad.

Indeed it is sad. The fuselage looks relatively intact from the photos, which lead me to believe it was a survivable crash.


Surviving the initial impact into the silo might be one thing; the fall onto the building roof below could be another.

Those silos are definitely a bigtime navigational hazard when you're flying IFR and only have an RNAV/GPS approach.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:20 pm

JBo wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
F9Animal wrote:
The pilot didn't survive. Oh man, that's just so sad.

Indeed it is sad. The fuselage looks relatively intact from the photos, which lead me to believe it was a survivable crash.


Surviving the initial impact into the silo might be one thing; the fall onto the building roof below could be another.

Those silos are definitely a bigtime navigational hazard when you're flying IFR and only have an RNAV/GPS approach.


And the color they're painted isn't going to do wonders against a morning overcast even if your head is up.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:22 pm

IADCA wrote:
JBo wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
Indeed it is sad. The fuselage looks relatively intact from the photos, which lead me to believe it was a survivable crash.


Surviving the initial impact into the silo might be one thing; the fall onto the building roof below could be another.

Those silos are definitely a bigtime navigational hazard when you're flying IFR and only have an RNAV/GPS approach.


And the color they're painted isn't going to do wonders against a morning overcast even if your head is up.


Hopefully after this accident, the FAA requires them to paint red/white safety stripes on them.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:26 pm

It is not like the silos are right at the end of the runway. If you hit a silo, you have other issues than if they are white or colored. They are just shy of a mile away from runway end and not too tall. May she R.I.P.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:18 pm

Icing?
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:00 pm

FWIW: I don't think the aircraft impacted a silo - it appears to have impacted the clearly visible "exhaust stack" in the crash photos that does not appear in the google maps image I looked at but is rather prominent, tall and dented in the direction of potential impact. Given the appearance, it may have been the wing, possibly right wing, that first made contact since the left wing is apparent in photos of the wreckage with no specific leading edge damage.

[In the Candice Hare tweet, the second tweet/video shows a rescue vehicle with a ladder up to the base of the exhaust stack with personnel in that location - I'm guessing the right wing is lying close to that spot]
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:14 pm

Upon further review of google maps, I do see a stack in that approximate location - correction to my statement above. What I still *don't* see is the fairly prominent support structure, and maybe a possible height extension of the original stack?
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:41 pm

I just read an article. Pilot's Father quoted as saying she may have hit a bird. For some reason, that lead to the wing making contact with the top of the structure. Seems she has flown into that airport many times and had flown with GemAir for sometime.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:18 pm

EastIdahoNews.com:

“There’s a 60-foot chimney sticking out of the top of the food processing plant — no lights on it, dead center — straight across the runway. So whenever you come in, you have to fly over the top of this and drop down,”
...
“That airport needs to be closed, period,” Jim Bob says. “I’m a pilot myself and … many pilots have told me how unsafe the Burley airport is and how they’ve begged the county to relocate it. They’ve allowed this potato processing plant to continue to expand and this chimney comes up and has a huge amount of steam. If the wind is blowing (a certain direction), you fly right into this wall of steam. That was the case that morning.” - Father of the pilot
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:05 pm

Apparently the FAA wants to close the airport due to the runways being too short, with no possibility of extension. The counties are trying to form an airport tax district to build a new airport. Such a tragedy.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:19 pm

So typical political story. Someone has to die before anyone does anything. Then everyone puts theirs hands-up and says "how'd it happen" while pointing their fingers at someone else.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:11 pm

Well, let's not be so quick about closing the airport. It does have a steep nonprecision approach to that runway, but if she hit anything, she was well-below the MDA when she did. She seems basically to have been on the centerline and if she had flown that airport as often as her family says she has, then she would know the importance of following the approach procedure in order to clear obstacles. This was her second approach and she seems to have been flying it slower than the first time, perhaps in order to give herself time to get the runway in sight before descending below MDA, as the approach requires. Juan Browne has a very-well-done piece on all of this up now, and it explains a lot. Tragedy. Like many pilots who fly on too soon, she seems like a great person. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaTKNaK24Vw
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:14 pm

OldB747Driver wrote:
(quoting article) “There’s a 60-foot chimney sticking out of the top of the food processing plant — no lights on it, dead center — straight across the runway. So whenever you come in, you have to fly over the top of this and drop down,”


True-ish, but the approach would have her over 400ft AGL at that point if followed.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:31 am

Burley/Rupert Idaho was served by West Coast Airlines and successor Air West until the latter half of 1969, with DC-3 and later Piper Navajo (which Air West called 'Miniliners') equipment. Looks like when the 'Miniliners' were retired Air West dropped the airport, along with nearby Sun Valley/Hailey/Ketchum. Don't know about any subsequent scheduled service into the airport. Perhaps Transwestern flew there with Twin Otters in the '80s. Horizon, which acquired Transwestern, did not go there AFAIK.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:57 am

The last vestige of scheduled air service to BYI was Trans-Magic Airlines with Navajos and such and finally by Air Idaho with deHavilland Herons or Doves, into mid 70s.
The day after this accident, Alpine Air flew ito there same approach with their BE99.
Runways are 4000+', so only too short for certain types. See what happens I suppose.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:45 am

KTWF (Twin Falls, ID) is a "hop-skip & jump" to the west, with full ILS, etc. I think Burley, ID is largely served through that airport, which has been served by various operators over the years. Additionally, while the vacation destination of Sun Valley is northwest of Burley, it has a significant disadvantage in that the airport is in a steep, narrow valley and requires a lot of special procedures to operate into and out of routinely. KTWF has been a common alternate for getting folks into KSUN.

Speaking of alternates, KTWF would have been a wonderful place to land and wait out any weather. Worse case, your delivery truck drives 10 [Edit: okay, maybe 20-25, but still] miles to drop off and pick up the cargo... [Evidently, based on a comment to the referenced article, this happened on the day prior...]
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:56 am

Dear God! That was quite a quote from the Pilot's Father. No matter what, the loss of life here is not only saddening, but bravely borne by their family and his community. My prayers and condolences to the families and loved ones involved.

As a rather basic question - what happens next? How can such an incident, effect change at the airport in question? What are the easiest and most practical steps that can be taken? How does/could liabilities (and/or future events), be prevented in future?
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sun Apr 17, 2022 2:02 am

Rajahdhani wrote:
Dear God! That was quite a quote from the Pilot's Father. No matter what, the loss of life here is not only saddening, but bravely borne by their family and his community. My prayers and condolences to the families and loved ones involved.

As a rather basic question - what happens next? How can such an incident, effect change at the airport in question? What are the easiest and most practical steps that can be taken? How does/could liabilities (and/or future events), be prevented in future?

By flying the approach correctly. If she hit the towers she obviously didn't.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sun Apr 17, 2022 2:11 am

Rajahdhani wrote:
As a rather basic question - what happens next? How can such an incident, effect change at the airport in question? What are the easiest and most practical steps that can be taken? How does/could liabilities (and/or future events), be prevented in future?

@SoCalPilot is not wrong, but giving the pilot the benefit of the doubt, the procedure, while rather difficult under single pilot IFR to low mins, is not at fault, and we don't know if there were extenuating factors, as there was icing conditions (was there an ice build-up on the wings? The air intake?) There was a NOTAM for birds - did she ingest one and cause a power reduction?

I realize that the likelihood that those things may have played an active part in this accident is small, but not non-existent.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sun Apr 17, 2022 2:31 am

Per the Blancolirio (aka Juan Browne) video linked above, the instrument approach is tough - stay at the MDA until you see the runway - so it can be a bit of a steep let down if you see the runway late.

Sounds like some fixes would be to clear the approach (ie bulldoze the plant), set the minimums significantly higher, or move the airport.

Lighting all the obstacles would be nice though.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sun Apr 17, 2022 2:47 am

sprxUSA wrote:
The last vestige of scheduled air service to BYI was Trans-Magic Airlines with Navajos and such and finally by Air Idaho with deHavilland Herons or Doves, into mid 70s.
The day after this accident, Alpine Air flew ito there same approach with their BE99.
Runways are 4000+', so only too short for certain types. See what happens I suppose.


Thanks! Couldn't recall anyone after Air West, and was doubtful about Transwestern.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sun Apr 17, 2022 2:50 am

OldB747Driver wrote:
KTWF (Twin Falls, ID) is a "hop-skip & jump" to the west, with full ILS, etc. I think Burley, ID is largely served through that airport, which has been served by various operators over the years. Additionally, while the vacation destination of Sun Valley is northwest of Burley, it has a significant disadvantage in that the airport is in a steep, narrow valley and requires a lot of special procedures to operate into and out of routinely. KTWF has been a common alternate for getting folks into KSUN.


Yes, after Air West dropped Sun Valley (and their Navajo 'Miniliners' that they flew into there), I recall them advertising Twin Falls as their 'Sun Valley jetport'.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:29 am

OldB747Driver wrote:
Rajahdhani wrote:
As a rather basic question - what happens next? How can such an incident, effect change at the airport in question? What are the easiest and most practical steps that can be taken? How does/could liabilities (and/or future events), be prevented in future?

@SoCalPilot is not wrong, but giving the pilot the benefit of the doubt, the procedure, while rather difficult under single pilot IFR to low mins, is not at fault, and we don't know if there were extenuating factors, as there was icing conditions (was there an ice build-up on the wings? The air intake?) There was a NOTAM for birds - did she ingest one and cause a power reduction?

I realize that the likelihood that those things may have played an active part in this accident is small, but not non-existent.


I would agree that other circumstances may be in play. The impact on the tower ladder and the adjacent roof appear to be at low velocity, so she may have encountered some kind of difficulty, losing power and altitude. It wouldn't take much to go wrong on that approach, especially in bad weather. So sorry for her and her family, RIP.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sun Apr 17, 2022 6:19 pm

Dreamflight767 wrote:
So typical political story. Someone has to die before anyone does anything. Then everyone puts theirs hands-up and says "how'd it happen" while pointing their fingers at someone else.


The Powers That Be have been working on relocating this airport for YEARS. This isn't a new issue. And frankly, I wouldn't expect this accident to speed up the process much.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Sun Apr 17, 2022 6:20 pm

OldB747Driver wrote:
KTWF (Twin Falls, ID) is a "hop-skip & jump" to the west, with full ILS, etc. I think Burley, ID is largely served through that airport, which has been served by various operators over the years. Additionally, while the vacation destination of Sun Valley is northwest of Burley, it has a significant disadvantage in that the airport is in a steep, narrow valley and requires a lot of special procedures to operate into and out of routinely. KTWF has been a common alternate for getting folks into KSUN.

Speaking of alternates, KTWF would have been a wonderful place to land and wait out any weather. Worse case, your delivery truck drives 10 [Edit: okay, maybe 20-25, but still] miles to drop off and pick up the cargo... [Evidently, based on a comment to the referenced article, this happened on the day prior...]


KJER is a good alternate as well.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Wed May 04, 2022 10:02 pm

NTSB preliminary report has been released https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/ ... 104938/pdf

It would appear from the witness report the aircraft had commenced a climb again for a missed approach

On April 13, 2022, about 0832 mountain daylight time, a Cessna 208B Grand Caravan, N928JP, was substantially damaged when it was involved in an accident near Heyburn, Idaho. The pilot was fatally injured. The airplane was operated as a Title 14 Code of Federal Regulation Part 135 cargo flight. According to the operator, the pilot was transporting cargo on an instrument flight rules flight from the Salt Lake City International Airport (SLC), Salt Lake City, Utah, to the Burley Municipal Airport (BYI), Burley, Idaho.

A review of air traffic control (ATC) communication with the pilot revealed the approach controller issued the pilot the current altimeter setting and verified that the pilot had the current weather and notices to airmen reports for BYI. Subsequently, the controller cleared the pilot for the RNAV runway 20 approach via the MALTT transition at BYI. The pilot reported passing the initial approach fix, and about 4 minutes later reported a missed approach. The controller then instructed the pilot to execute the published missed approached and to report established [in the hold] at IREME, and to expect the same approach.

After the pilot report established at IREME, the controller cleared the pilot for the approach. About 1 minute later, the controller asked the pilot if she had crossed the initial approach fix. The pilot initially replied negative, then subsequently replied that she had crossed the fix. The controller then approved a change to BYI advisory frequency.

Video footage recovered from a security camera located on a processing plant revealed a view of the rooftop of the processing plant, along with a smokestack supported by steel framework on the roof. Snow was observed falling. About 0832:25, the airplane came into view in a wings-level, nose-high descent. The airplane subsequently struck the smokestack and fell to the rooftop.

According to a witness, located about one quarter mile away, he first heard, then observed the airplane descend out of the clouds then immediately went into a steam cloud, which was produced from a set of six smokestacks located on the same roof. The witness heard the engine increase in sound and saw the nose lift shortly before the airplane struck the smokestack and descend to the rooftop.

The airplane came to rest on its right side. Both wings, the propeller assembly, belly pod, and the nose wheel separated from the fuselage. All major components of the airplane remained on the rooftop. First responders recovered about 40 gallons of jet fuel which had spilled from both wings.

A special automated weather report for BYI about the time of the accident reported 1 mile visibility in light snow and mist, broken layer at 2,300 ft above ground level (agl), overcast at 2,800 ft agl, temperature -3°C, dew point temperature -5°C, barometric pressure 29.96 inches of mercury. An Airmen’s Meteorological Information (AIRMET) advisory was active for icing and mountain obscurations for areas that included BYI.

The airplane was recovered to a secure facility for further examination.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Thu May 05, 2022 7:34 am

Sounds like a visibility issue, between weather and steam emissions, which her father had mentioned as a likely cause. There is not much margin if the pilot is trying to get below the cloud base. Why there are minimums established. Such a tragedy.
 
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Re: GemAir C208 Crash - Burley, ID

Tue May 24, 2022 1:13 am

Here is a lengthy fellow pilot investigation, which faults the FAA and city for allowing the stacks so near the runway. Also makes the case that her Garmin would have displayed an overshoot of the glide slope due to a step change in the approach, which would have encouraged her to make a nose-down input before the stacks. He flies the actual approach in a similar aircraft as a demonstration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRN3RJaW618

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