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BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:37 pm

A report today in the New York Post (and similar stories are in other papers around the world) has given some insight into the EgyptAir MS804 crash, this was n A320 from CDG to CAI in 2016.

The BAE has concluded the pilots oxygen mask which is normally stowed just to the side of their seat was leaking slightly, the pilot had a smoke in the cockpit, with the pure oxygen exposed to the cigarette resulted in a uncontrollable fire.

“France’s Bureau of Enquiry and Analysis for Civil Aviation Safety (BEA) has since concluded that pilot Mohamed Said Shoukair’s mid-air smoke break led to a fire onboard the Airbus A320 jet when his cigarette ignited oxygen leaking from an oxygen mask in the cockpit.”

From https://nypost.com/2022/04/27/egyptair- ... cigarette/

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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:44 pm

How unfortunate. Talk about truly avoidable…

And yet I get the feeling the Egyptian authorities won’t accept this cause, once again
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:48 pm

I'd say the actual cause was the incorrect setting of the release valve for the mask, as mentioned in the story. Pilots on MS were permitted to smoke on the flight deck at the time and one presumes that a leak of oxygen into the cockpit is not a normal situation. I don't know what Airbus's position on smoking on the flight deck was at the time.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:56 pm

Wow, that's unacceptable. Why even allow that to happen?
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:56 pm

Are pilots allowed to smoke in flight ? I may be naive, but I thought that the time of smoking on board of any passenger aircraft (as passenger or crew) was long over.
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:00 pm

Are the masks supplied with 100% pure O2? I thought the human body can't handle pure O2 for extended periods?
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:08 pm

Theseus wrote:
Are pilots allowed to smoke in flight ? I may be naive, but I thought that the time of smoking on board of any passenger aircraft (as passenger or crew) was long over.


According to the article, it was not against policy to smoke in the flight deck at the time but has since been banned.
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:33 pm

Theseus wrote:
Are pilots allowed to smoke in flight ? I may be naive, but I thought that the time of smoking on board of any passenger aircraft (as passenger or crew) was long over.


Yes, though each airline can make a policy against it.
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:36 pm

Theseus wrote:
Are pilots allowed to smoke in flight ? I may be naive, but I thought that the time of smoking on board of any passenger aircraft (as passenger or crew) was long over.


During my time at Swissport, I would regularly visit the cockpit, and at all but one carrier from Asia the ashtray was always full and the smell of cigarettes was overwhelming. At a lot of airlines, they still do it, even if it is against the policy. I had a discussion with one pilot about it, and he simply said they always had a bottle of air freshener with them. It's been a couple of years, so can't tell for sure if they still do it now (last time I went into the cockpit at Swissport was in 2018).
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:41 pm

It's kinda crazy how many stories I've heard of pilots smoking in the cabin, but rarely mid-flight.
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:54 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
It's kinda crazy how many stories I've heard of pilots smoking in the cabin, but rarely mid-flight.


I'm reminded of all of the print ads from the '30s/'40s/'50s showing airline pilots happily enjoying whatever brand the ad is for in the cockpit.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:28 pm

This is why the report took so long to be released!
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:53 pm

eastafspot wrote:
This is why the report took so long to be released!

When I saw reports about this today, I was surprised, figured it had come out ages ago and I just missed it when it did.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:33 pm

Smoking in the Flight Deck is still pretty common in many places despite being banned. One place today where is rampant, is yes, China.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:02 pm

Egyptair crews are well known for not caring about smoking rules. When I flew them to Accra, the Air Marshal and one of the pilots had a smoke break in the galley much to the dismay of my lungs.
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:08 pm

889091 wrote:
Are the masks supplied with 100% pure O2? I thought the human body can't handle pure O2 for extended periods?


Yes, the masks can be supplied with 100% O2. They can also act as a regulator and mix with ambient air so that it’s not 100%. But the bottle is 100% O2.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:46 pm

Now for the Millon doller question will Egipt accept the results considering it makes them look bad they still say MS990 was caused by a design flaw.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:57 pm

I disagree with the title.
The accident wasn't caused by the pilot smoking.
It was caused by the oxygen leak.

Any source of fire would have ignited the air.
The pilot smoking did nothing wrong.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:08 am

bradyj23 wrote:
889091 wrote:
Are the masks supplied with 100% pure O2? I thought the human body can't handle pure O2 for extended periods?


Yes, the masks can be supplied with 100% O2. They can also act as a regulator and mix with ambient air so that it’s not 100%. But the bottle is 100% O2.


This is just a question of time. 100% O2 at 1 bar is OK for around 24 h, beyond this, it will get really fast highly dangerous, in short term beyond 24 h, can kill you/critical harm your lungs and on long term, harm permanently your lungs, the dermal structure of your lungs will get thicker .
So till 24 h and a pressure on see level, it is fine.
At 1.6 bar, it gets immediately toxic. lower than 1 bar and the timespan can be prolonged.

Just remind, O2 is by far the strongest toxin in nature.....this is not a joke, nature has needed one billion years or so, to develope two enzymes, that we can handle (or even use) this toxin. Now it is essential for us.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:26 am

889091 wrote:
Are the masks supplied with 100% pure O2? I thought the human body can't handle pure O2 for extended periods?


Depends on your definition of extended, the mask will supply even oxygen under pressure. It is there for depressurisation and smoke procedures
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:40 am

zeke wrote:
"...led to a fire onboard the Airbus A320 jet when his cigarette ignited oxygen leaking from an oxygen mask in the cockpit.”


This quote from the BEA report surprises me. Oxygen does not burn. I assume they must know elementary chemistry and the process of combustion. Something else in the area (probably the mask, though it could have been anything if in nearly 100% O2) was what was ignited. Maybe something is lost in translation from the French?
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:42 am

A cigarette when exposed to 100% oxygen will burn, and it will quickly ignite anything nearby
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:49 am

zeke wrote:
A cigarette when exposed to 100% oxygen will burn, and it will quickly ignite anything nearby


Correct. Which is why it's strange that the BEA says that the cigarette ignited the O2.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:13 am

Seems like a very unfortunate accident that happened here with events that went out of control too quickly for the pilots to control. Hope the lesson is learned, policies change and most importantly, may the individual of this flight rest in peace and hope it brings closure to their families to move on.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:02 am

hivue wrote:
Correct. Which is why it's strange that the BEA says that the cigarette ignited the O2.


If you want to split hairs, it was not the BEA that made that statement, it was the newspaper. With the addition of one word to change it to “ignited from oxygen” would also make sense.

Also splitting hairs solids like cigarettes don’t burn, technically heat changes the state of the solid to gas and the gas burns.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:13 am

Theseus wrote:
During my time at Swissport, I would regularly visit the cockpit, and at all but one carrier from Asia the ashtray was always full and the smell of cigarettes was overwhelming.


What was the exception? SQ?
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:13 am

Can't find this "report" on BEA website.
Latest press release in french dated from July 6th 2018.
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:19 am

SurlyBonds wrote:
Theseus wrote:
During my time at Swissport, I would regularly visit the cockpit, and at all but one carrier from Asia the ashtray was always full and the smell of cigarettes was overwhelming.


What was the exception? SQ?


Think you meant to quote me, but yes all the times I went into the SQ cockpit it was clean and didn't smell like an ashtray.
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:31 am

LaunchDetected wrote:
Can't find this "report" on BEA website.
Latest press release in french dated from July 6th 2018.


The BEA would have been an observer for this investigation, the lead investigator was Egypt. It is up to the Egyptians to release information.

I don’t think BEA made the report public, it made to the public view when it was submitted as part of a public trial. Hence the reason this has made news this week.
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:45 am

889091 wrote:
Are the masks supplied with 100% pure O2? I thought the human body can't handle pure O2 for extended periods?

The masks are supplied with 100% pure O2.
However, they are working in 3 configurations:
- O2 + ambient air is inhaled by the mask wearer (up to a certain altitude);
- 100% O2 is inhaled by the wearer (again, altitude dependent);
- "overpressure" where the mask is constantly pressurized (unlike the 2 previous modes, in which the valve opens when there is a vacuum created by the wearer inhaling) and the wearer has to force-exhale (which is quickly overwhelming when you're not used to it).
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:52 am

zeke wrote:
A report today in the New York Post (and similar stories are in other papers around the world) has given some insight into the EgyptAir MS804 crash, this was n A320 from CDG to CAI in 2016.

The BAE has concluded the pilots oxygen mask which is normally stowed just to the side of their seat was leaking slightly, the pilot had a smoke in the cockpit, with the pure oxygen exposed to the cigarette resulted in a uncontrollable fire.

“France’s Bureau of Enquiry and Analysis for Civil Aviation Safety (BEA) has since concluded that pilot Mohamed Said Shoukair’s mid-air smoke break led to a fire onboard the Airbus A320 jet when his cigarette ignited oxygen leaking from an oxygen mask in the cockpit.”

From https://nypost.com/2022/04/27/egyptair- ... cigarette/

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From the NY Post:
The oxygen mask in question had been replaced just three days before the fateful flight by an EgyptAir maintenance worker, but for an unknown reason it had its release valve set to the “emergency position,” which, according to the Airbus safety manual, could lead to leaks.

I'm surprised about that as the mask box doors (actually, only one of them) must be open for the mask to be pressurized. So, there was a double failure here in that the mask was left in "emergency" position, and that the door was not completely closed or that the container valve was defective.

Was it just the mask that was replaced? Or was the container replaced as well? Could it be a misdiagnosis from maintenance and compounded failures created this situation?
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:13 am

Another story that someone was killed by their foolish
He should honour the Darwin Award
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:20 am

Now, to think about it, this is the second time an EgyptAir plane suffers from O2 system fire (after Flight 667 in 2011). They are not lucky with that darn O2...
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:01 am

I did hear a story about 20 years ago of an aircraft being AOG because of a missing ashtray.

It turned out the captain refused to fly as there was no ashtray in the cockpit. He was a relative of the ruling family, so they declared thd aircraft AOG until they got the ashtray.

Lesson learnt - don't question the AOG reason!
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:21 am

Ashtrays are still a certification requirement on airliners.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:09 am

Wouldn't the oxygen dilute in the cabin? Up to which % becomes explosive? Amazing that these incidents happened for such addiction
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:49 am

zeke wrote:
Ashtrays are still a certification requirement on airliners.
Are the cockpit ones part of it, too?
The ones I've seen are removable and I bet end up a lot elsewhere than cockpits!
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:52 am

Kikko19 wrote:
Wouldn't the oxygen dilute in the cabin? Up to which % becomes explosive? Amazing that these incidents happened for such addiction
Fuel tanks are considered 'inert' with under 9% oxygen according to this:
https://fire.tc.faa.gov/pdf/TG3.pdf

So if you've locally got 100% oxygen that isn't mixed much I would expect yiu to be pretty high still with the %
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:29 am

ReverseFlow wrote:
zeke wrote:
Ashtrays are still a certification requirement on airliners.
Are the cockpit ones part of it, too?
The ones I've seen are removable and I bet end up a lot elsewhere than cockpits!


I cannot recall, I think smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, and ask trays are required in toilets.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:58 am

Kikko19 wrote:
Wouldn't the oxygen dilute in the cabin? Up to which % becomes explosive? Amazing that these incidents happened for such addiction


Oxygen enhances the flammability of anything it comes in contact with, but does not itself explode or burn. It's the component required for other materials to burn. Flammability of materials is normally determined with atmospheric oxygen content of around 21%. If you start bumping that up with pure oxygen, the flammability of all materials increases dramatically. This means if anything starts to burn, the fire spreads rapidly and is very difficult to put out.

You may recall the Apollo 1 fire that killed 3 astronauts, in a pure oxygen environment. It only took a spark, and everything started to burn, even their supposedly flame-proof space suits. After that NASA removed anything that could possibly burn from the capsule. For the things they could not remove, they added flame retardants so there at least would be time to extinguish the fire.

In this case, I would imagine the cigarette and/or lighter flamed violently when lit and was dropped, after which it ignited whatever it touched.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:25 am

In much of the world, tobacco smoking has been banned in workplaces including inside aircraft for health reasons for the user and others from secondhand smoke. I hope Egypt has since adopted to that policy.
Now here some reasonable speculation that like often in major aircraft crashes of one problem, the leak of O2 from a faulty seal or a valve not fully closed and a second, the dropping of a lit cigarette intensifying the flame to set on fire interior components of the cockpit.
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:32 am

Avatar2go wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
Wouldn't the oxygen dilute in the cabin? Up to which % becomes explosive? Amazing that these incidents happened for such addiction


Oxygen enhances the flammability of anything it comes in contact with, but does not itself explode or burn. It's the component required for other materials to burn. Flammability of materials is normally determined with atmospheric oxygen content of around 21%. If you start bumping that up with pure oxygen, the flammability of all materials increases dramatically. This means if anything starts to burn, the fire spreads rapidly and is very difficult to put out.

You may recall the Apollo 1 fire that killed 3 astronauts, in a pure oxygen environment. It only took a spark, and everything started to burn, even their supposedly flame-proof space suits. After that NASA removed anything that could possibly burn from the capsule. For the things they could not remove, they added flame retardants so there at least would be time to extinguish the fire.

In this case, I would imagine the cigarette and/or lighter flamed violently when lit and was dropped, after which it ignited whatever it touched.


The best response that I have read so far. It is correct that O2 doesn't burn on its own. However, it does exacerbate the conditions of an already existing fire. The report needs to give more details on how the lit cigarette actually caused the fire. Probably it did fall on the carpet and the carpet caught fire.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:42 am

In here:

https://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/mmel/a320_rev_27.pdf

I can only find that the exterior lav ashtrays are not required (25-22-04).

Nothing about cockpit ones which would actually mean they can't be MMEL'd so indeed AOG for one missing.
Unless there is some work-around as it's not a fixed part of the aircraft like an iPAD for EFB which makes updates etc easier as it's not part of the aircraft.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:47 am

whiplash wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
Wouldn't the oxygen dilute in the cabin? Up to which % becomes explosive? Amazing that these incidents happened for such addiction


Oxygen enhances the flammability of anything it comes in contact with, but does not itself explode or burn. It's the component required for other materials to burn. Flammability of materials is normally determined with atmospheric oxygen content of around 21%. If you start bumping that up with pure oxygen, the flammability of all materials increases dramatically. This means if anything starts to burn, the fire spreads rapidly and is very difficult to put out.

You may recall the Apollo 1 fire that killed 3 astronauts, in a pure oxygen environment. It only took a spark, and everything started to burn, even their supposedly flame-proof space suits. After that NASA removed anything that could possibly burn from the capsule. For the things they could not remove, they added flame retardants so there at least would be time to extinguish the fire.

In this case, I would imagine the cigarette and/or lighter flamed violently when lit and was dropped, after which it ignited whatever it touched.


The best response that I have read so far. It is correct that O2 doesn't burn on its own. However, it does exacerbate the conditions of an already existing fire. The report needs to give more details on how the lit cigarette actually caused the fire. Probably it did fall on the carpet and the carpet caught fire.


Even if the cigarette did not fall/was dropped, the fast burning of it will cause small particles of burning tabacco to fall off. So a small glowing tabacco particle falling on the pilots trousers will most probably set them on fire in a high O2 environment.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:46 pm

JetBuddy wrote:
I disagree with the title.
The accident wasn't caused by the pilot smoking.
It was caused by the oxygen leak.

Any source of fire would have ignited the air.
The pilot smoking did nothing wrong.


These reports don't exist to point fingers. They exist to learn things so they don't happen again.
The plane would have landed safely if there was just a leak without a cigarette. By the same token, the plane would have landed safely if there was a cigarette without an O2 leak. What we can't have is both at the same time. That's what the report concludes. It's then up to the airline and/or regulators to decide how they want to prevent this from happening again.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:56 pm

airbazar wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
I disagree with the title.
The accident wasn't caused by the pilot smoking.
It was caused by the oxygen leak.

Any source of fire would have ignited the air.
The pilot smoking did nothing wrong.


These reports don't exist to point fingers. They exist to learn things so they don't happen again.
The plane would have landed safely if there was just a leak without a cigarette. By the same token, the plane would have landed safely if there was a cigarette without an O2 leak. What we can't have is both at the same time. That's what the report concludes. It's then up to the airline and/or regulators to decide how they want to prevent this from happening again.
It's the Swiss cheese model by J. Reason
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... objectonly

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:09 pm

zeke wrote:
ReverseFlow wrote:
zeke wrote:
Ashtrays are still a certification requirement on airliners.
Are the cockpit ones part of it, too?
The ones I've seen are removable and I bet end up a lot elsewhere than cockpits!


I cannot recall, I think smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, and ask trays are required in toilets.

Ashtrays are understandable in the toilets so someone "forgetting" about the rule can safely extinguish their smoke; but the crew should know better than the pax and not smoke in the plane.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:17 pm

hivue wrote:
zeke wrote:
A cigarette when exposed to 100% oxygen will burn, and it will quickly ignite anything nearby


Correct. Which is why it's strange that the BEA says that the cigarette ignited the O2.

Why would anything be 100% O2?
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:29 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
hivue wrote:
zeke wrote:
A cigarette when exposed to 100% oxygen will burn, and it will quickly ignite anything nearby


Correct. Which is why it's strange that the BEA says that the cigarette ignited the O2.

Why would anything be 100% O2?


To provide enough physiological O2 for operations about 40000.
 
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Re: BEA : EgyptAir MS804 crash caused by pilot smoking

Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:35 pm

Absolutely harrowing. I was just thinking about this accident the other week, and how it felt like it was buried and forgotten about. If anything I'm glad the BEA was able to determine any sort of probable cause. I was already pretty confused how an iPad fire (or as we now know, cigarette) could have lead to an out-of-control situation, but after reading the explanations posted about the properties of an oxygen-saturated environment, it seems to make much more sense.

I don't know if the passengers would have known what was going on, I guess I can only hope they didn't.

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Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos