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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Wed May 25, 2022 1:14 am

A few weeks old, but saw a press release that DHL adding an Istanbul-Bahrain service 6x weekly using a 737-800 freighter that connects into DHL’s Middle East hub cutting shipment transit times to markets in Middle East, Africa and Indian subcontinent by 24-48 hours.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Wed May 25, 2022 11:24 am

TC-JIO, a TK A332, has been reactivated.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Wed May 25, 2022 11:53 am

leftyboarder wrote:
calcal wrote:
There are many more destinations TK could start flying to with much better chance of profitability instead of opening an Australia route. It just doesn’t make sense at least at the moment. Or they can increase frequencies to already proven markets.


Are there though? China and India are severely restricted and China hasn't even recovered post covid. Pretty much every destination in Africa is served, there is already good coverage in the US to all major markets and only a handful LatAm destinations remain unserved. I doubt there are a lot of new destinations ready for the picking. Increasing frequencies seems more viable, and that's what they've been doing lately rather than new long haul destinations.


Yes, there are still a lot of markets where TK could possibly tap in.

In Europe, Slovakia is missing for example. Also, secondary destinations especially in the north are missing, like Bergen, Stavanger or in the UK like Newcastle and Glasgow etc. Former destinations (suspended due to the downturn after failed coup attempt) could also resume. Münster in Germany, Rotterdam in the Netherlands, Aalborg and Aarhus in Denmark come to my mind. The latter two started with 2x weekly flights and then increased to 5x weekly each iirc, so there really (was/)is demand.

Africa is well served already, but some countries are still missing, too. Namibia, Liberia, Lomé, Guinea-Bissau, Zimbabwe and Malawi to name them... Bet TK could make a lot of them work!

I'm also curious about how the US destinations will evolve, former TK CEO once mentioned Orlando and Las Vegas for example. I could also see TK at Philadelphia.

Exiting times to come! :)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Wed May 25, 2022 2:24 pm

A very interesting development at CORENDON AIRLINES Grop

9H-MMO msn 3577 Airbus A320-232 sblsd Malta MedAir in CAI cs
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/9h-mmo

D-ANDI msn 3674 Airbus A320-232 sblsd Leav Aviation all white
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/d-andi

LY-LGA msn 3927 Airbus A320-232 sblsd Global Airways all white
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ly-lga

LY-LGB msn 2108 Airbus A320-232 sblsd Global Airways
is expected

LY-ELK msn 2077 Airbus A320-232 sblsd GetJet Airlines in CAI cs, https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ly-elk

LY-OWL msn 2029 Airbus A320-232 sblsd GetJet Airlines in CAI cs
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ly-owl

LZ-BHL msn 2987 Airbus A320-232 sblsd BH Air in CAI cs
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/lz-bhl

LZ-DBT msn 2908 Airbus A320-232 sblsd BH Air in CAI cs
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/lz-dbt

OY-JRK msn 444 Airbus A320-231 sblsd Danish Air Transport (DAT) all white
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oy-jrk

OY-RUZ msn 839 Airbus A320-232 sblsd Danish Air Transport (DAT) in CAI cs
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oy-ruz

OY-RUU msn 878 Airbus A321-231 sblsd Danish Air Transport (DAT) in CAI cs
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oy-ruu
https://www.planespotters.net/photo/1277456/oy-ruu-corendon-airlines-airbus-a321-231

OM-GTF msn 28070/106 Boeing 737-86J WL sblsd Go2Sky all white
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/om-gtf

OM-GTH msn 29644/2231 Boeing 737-8BK WL sblsd Go2Sky in CAI cs
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/om-gth

OM-GTI msn 34684/1870 Boeing 737-8K5 SWL sblsd Go2Sky all white
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/om-gti

OM-FEX msn 28213/50 Boeing 737-8Q8 WL sblsd AirExplore in CAI cs
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/om-fex

OM-IEX msn 33016/1588 Boeing 737-8BK WL sblsd AirExplore all white
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/om-iex



Corendon Airlines Group has been using 3 of SkyUp Airlines under wet lease for a few days as can be seen in the link).
Interesting, because according to rumors TURKISH AIRLINES was interested in 6 in a wet lease

UR-SQA msn 40150/4616 Boeing 737-8H6 WL sblsd SkyUp Airlines https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ur-sqa

UR-SQB msn 40153/4723 Boeing 737-8H6 WL sblsd SkyUp Airlines https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ur-sqb

UR-SQF msn 40151/4640 Boeing 737-8H6 WL sblsd SkyUp Airlines https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ur-sqf


Did I forgot/miss something?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Wed May 25, 2022 2:59 pm

OM-MEX msn 34905/2392 Boeing 737-8GJ WL sblsd AirExplore all white
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/om-mex
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Wed May 25, 2022 3:09 pm

emre787 wrote:
former TK CEO once mentioned Orlando and Las Vegas for example. I could also see TK at Philadelphia.


AFAIK, Denver and Detroit is up next. I might be wrong but these two might happen this year with the eventual extra capacity arrival of 6 x 350s.
Orlando I agree, I am not sure about LAS. "LAXintl" might have a better insight on this.
Philadelphia is within the EWR catchment area.
Like I said many times earlier, besides these not a whole lot of destinations left in the US :) Phoenix and Charlotte, just maybe....
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Thu May 26, 2022 12:53 am

Seems like a phenomenal recovery of tourism in Turkey is expectes this year. Among those Anadolujet and Corendon subleases also Sunexpress is going to add 6 A320s from AvionExpress and lease 2 additional 738s.

But also rumour has it that their wetlease contract with AJ will come to an end after summer. I don't exactly know how many they currently operate for AJ...
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Thu May 26, 2022 3:04 am

I was wondering if anyone had a chance to visit IGA’s Spotter Area and would you recommend it?

Also I am curious why it is open only on Friday but not on weekends?

https://www.istairport.com/en/passenger ... es/spotter
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Thu May 26, 2022 5:42 am

One of the next few frames for TK A321nx TC-LTM seen here https://www.flickr.com/photos/xfwspotter/52097668687/
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Thu May 26, 2022 8:17 am

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emre787 wrote:
former TK CEO once mentioned Orlando and Las Vegas for example. I could also see TK at Philadelphia.


AFAIK, Denver and Detroit is up next.


Yes, those are the ones officially announced. All others were just hinted by the CEO, so we'll have to wait until public disclosures are made :)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Thu May 26, 2022 12:48 pm

TK to start daily Leipzig on June 30th, according to tolgaozbek.com
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Thu May 26, 2022 1:54 pm

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Yes, those are the ones officially announced. All others were just hinted by the CEO, so we'll have to wait until public disclosures are made :)


For those interested, I found the interview: https://www.dailysabah.com/business/201 ... ssion=true (from 2019)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Thu May 26, 2022 2:54 pm

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But also rumour has it that their wetlease contract with AJ will come to an end after summer. I don't exactly know how many they currently operate for AJ...


All 6 Boeing 737-800 wl with the registration TC-SB... and TC-SC... are leased from SunExpress and are also operated at the same time for AnadoluJet. (TC-SBN, TC-SBP, TC-SBR, TC-SBV, TC-SCF and TC-SCG). These are the aircrafts to be returned or returned to SunExpress.
Others come directly from Turkish Airlines, mainly Boeing 737-8F2 wl with the registration TC-JF..., TC-JG... and TC-JH... but can be partly operated by SXS. However, the 737s with registrations TC-JZ... and TC-JK... were leased directly from leasing companies. Like the other Boeing 737-8 MAX (TC-LA...)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Thu May 26, 2022 2:57 pm

Corendon, TC-MKC and TC-MKD will be coming soon, in final assembly currently. TC-MKB, TC-MKE and TC-MKF still at BFI being prepped for delivery.

TK frames TC-LAH, I, J and K still at BFI being prepped for the delivery. The msns quoted a few weeks ago for TC-LAE and TC-LAF are (were?) ordered by TUI Group, so will be interesting to see what happens with those. The first one should be out at RNT now.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Thu May 26, 2022 3:21 pm

TK787 wrote:
emre787 wrote:
former TK CEO once mentioned Orlando and Las Vegas for example. I could also see TK at Philadelphia.


AFAIK, Denver and Detroit is up next. I might be wrong but these two might happen this year with the eventual extra capacity arrival of 6 x 350s.
Orlando I agree, I am not sure about LAS. "LAXintl" might have a better insight on this.
Philadelphia is within the EWR catchment area.
Like I said many times earlier, besides these not a whole lot of destinations left in the US :) Phoenix and Charlotte, just maybe....


Correct that Denver and Detroit are up next. Just don't know when they will make an official announcement in regards to beginning service. I am eager to hear about it though. As for Philadelphia true it is in the EWR catchment. An article back in 2021 in November from Simply Flying (I know not the best of articles) quoted Majid Khan, Vice President Air Service Development seeing PHL and SEA (of course that has started service) as potential new US opportunities from any airline. Of course it's wishful thinking

https://simpleflying.com/istanbul-europ ... t-airport/
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Thu May 26, 2022 5:28 pm

Appears with the improvement of relations with Israel, it seems Israeli airlines will have the opportunity to resume service to Turkey after 12-year break.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... es-improve
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Thu May 26, 2022 6:50 pm

TC-LAF is out at RNT now, fully painted all white.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Thu May 26, 2022 11:11 pm

Seattle will start later today. First flight scheduled to leave IST at 2.05pm local time with B789 at TK203. The flight operates 4 times weekly, on alternating days with the Vancouver flight, which goes on the other 3 days of the week. Both flights operate with near identical schedules. Turnaround time in Seattle is just 90 minutes, which seems very tight to turn a 12+ hour longhaul flight, but TK pulls it off for the 789 in such places as Bogota, Panama and Denpasar as well. Istanbul to Vancouver will upgauge from A359 to B77W later in the week.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Fri May 27, 2022 2:04 am

The next two 737 Max8 for TK are on the way to IST TC-LAH and TC-LAK https://a380.boards.net/thread/2026/tur ... 8s?page=15
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Fri May 27, 2022 5:07 am

Little bit update about SU A350

They will not get any config change any time soon and will fly couple of destinations in rotation; only I can say here no ER flights mostly 3-4 hours.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Fri May 27, 2022 5:25 am

How are IST and SAW performing so far compared to pre-covid levels? I mean in terms of passenger numbers.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Fri May 27, 2022 6:23 am

Blerg wrote:
How are IST and SAW performing so far compared to pre-covid levels? I mean in terms of passenger numbers.


For IST and Turkey as a whole, you'll find the latest data at EUROCONTROL here:

https://www.eurocontrol.int/sites/defau ... 0525_0.pdf
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Fri May 27, 2022 7:44 am

MeCe wrote:
Little bit update about SU A350

They will not get any config change any time soon and will fly couple of destinations in rotation; only I can say here no ER flights mostly 3-4 hours.


I can see them loaded on Istanbul-Casablanca from August.

It seems a bit of a waste of capacity to restrict them to 3-4 hour trips given that they are equipped with a longhaul product, unless TK will wait for all 6 to be on property to devise a stable longhaul subsegment for these aircraft.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Fri May 27, 2022 12:03 pm

MeCe wrote:
Little bit update about SU A350

They will not get any config change any time soon and will fly couple of destinations in rotation; only I can say here no ER flights mostly 3-4 hours.

"MeCe" usually is pretty good about these inside informations.
I was expecting no changes to the interiors till C/D checks, if any. Also, limiting them to fly few destinations.
But not 3-4 hour segments. 1 frame doing 3-4 hour flights to LHR, TLV, AMS, VKO and such free up another frame to fly Long Haul? I don't think so.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Fri May 27, 2022 1:41 pm

TK787 wrote:
MeCe wrote:
Little bit update about SU A350

They will not get any config change any time soon and will fly couple of destinations in rotation; only I can say here no ER flights mostly 3-4 hours.

"MeCe" usually is pretty good about these inside informations.
I was expecting no changes to the interiors till C/D checks, if any. Also, limiting them to fly few destinations.
But not 3-4 hour segments. 1 frame doing 3-4 hour flights to LHR, TLV, AMS, VKO and such free up another frame to fly Long Haul? I don't think so.

I really doubt about VKO unless they buy them and insure by themselves - now nothing except TC-JR*/JSA/JSB A321s and TC-JNA-E A332 is possible.

By the way, will some earlier B77Ws and A333s also go to TK's full ownership?
 
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Fri May 27, 2022 2:01 pm

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But not 3-4 hour segments. 1 frame doing 3-4 hour flights to LHR, TLV, AMS, VKO and such free up another frame to fly Long Haul? I don't think so.


With their different configuration from the standard TK A359s, it may be too hard to initially integrate them in the longhaul fleet in a way that is operationally stable, but that may change when all 6 aircraft are on property and TK can more reasonably select a subset of lonhaul destinations to consistently fly with these aircraft. After all, the aircraft were destined for 12+ hour stretches out of Moscow. However, with just 2 or 3 aircraft in the fleet, it makes sense to at least initially restrict the operation to a more regional one.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Fri May 27, 2022 2:12 pm

Main problem is IFE about long haul utilization, IFE is not operational for now. I am not sure about reason, some says licencing problem etc.. As far as I understand these planes will used for releasing TK own widebody flying 3-4 hrs regularly. Than that capacity can be used for USA expansion.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Fri May 27, 2022 2:42 pm

Thanks everyone.
Flying them to VKO, no kidding :lol: Thanks for correcting me :)
IFE licensing that is another issue I didn't think of.
The last part I still do not understand. "They will free up TK's own planes to open up USA destinations."
Those TK long haul planes never fly all day long 3-4 hour segments. They do; IST-JFK-IST-LHR-IST-LAX... and such.
So how are these planes going to free up TK's 77Ws, 787s, 350s just by flying only 3-4 hours medium haul segments?
 
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Fri May 27, 2022 4:09 pm

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The last part I still do not understand. "They will free up TK's own planes to open up USA destinations."
Those TK long haul planes never fly all day long 3-4 hour segments. They do; IST-JFK-IST-LHR-IST-LAX... and such.
So how are these planes going to free up TK's 77Ws, 787s, 350s just by flying only 3-4 hours medium haul segments?


There are 3-4 hour segments operated by 77W and 787 throughout the day. By strategically playing around with the schedule, it is at least theoretically possible to free up some of that capacity although we will have to see how that works out in practical terms.

In terms of improving utilization rates, these early morning US departures do wonders, as they allow overnight arrivals from Asia to be immediately dispatched to the US without a lot of ground time in IST, and these flights in turn arrive back in IST around noon the next day and can be redispatched in the afternoon North Atlantic departure wave. There is also an increasing wave of outbound widebody capacity around 9 pm which increasingly uses the North Atlantic inbound capacity of 5 pm.

So at least in terms of utilization, TK is doing a great job in getting the most out of the available resources, and I am sure they will somehow find a way to optimize the use of these SU A350s as well , although I remain of the opinion that the ultimate goal is them to incorporate them in the longhaul operation. As said, for now I can see them loaded on IST CMN, but I haven't really taken an in depth look.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Fri May 27, 2022 4:46 pm

In addition to UK flights this summer, Freebird will start to sell seat-only bookings from Dusseldorf, Hamburg, Leipzig, and Stuttgart coming fall/winter season

TK787 wrote:
Orlando I agree, I am not sure about LAS. "LAXintl" might have a better insight on this.


TK looked at Orlando going back several years. Florida was a market with growing interest from Turkey tourism and a growing Turkish expat community, 3rd largest after NY/NJ and California.

I posted some charts from a study in the past that included Orlando as a potential destination. One of the issues I see in the current economic environment is that all TK North America routes except MIA are primarily US or Canada point of sale. Orlando was forecast to be >60% Turkey point of sale, and with economic issues and weak lira does not bode well for demand in the short term. Orlando is also quite a seasonal market due to its heavy leisure component, with strong summer and winter peaks, but very low spring and fall valleys.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Fri May 27, 2022 6:32 pm

PEGASUS
TC-RBM msn 10739 Airbus A321-251NX, "Zeynep Ela" ex D-AZXN, dd 27/05/2022, it’s 14‘th A321NX
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/tc-rbm
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Sat May 28, 2022 10:21 am

TK413 to VKO got diverted to VNO after making some circles above Russian-Belorussian border. What is the case?
 
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Sat May 28, 2022 11:34 am

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TK413 to VKO got diverted to VNO after making some circles above Russian-Belorussian border. What is the case?

Reported as technical. Landed at Vilnius.
 
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Sat May 28, 2022 1:52 pm

TK787 wrote:
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TK413 to VKO got diverted to VNO after making some circles above Russian-Belorussian border. What is the case?

Reported as technical. Landed at Vilnius.

And the passengers are reported to fly now back to Istanbul and only then to Moscow.
 
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Sat May 28, 2022 4:24 pm

A321Lufthansa wrote:
TK787 wrote:
A321Lufthansa wrote:
TK413 to VKO got diverted to VNO after making some circles above Russian-Belorussian border. What is the case?

Reported as technical. Landed at Vilnius.

And the passengers are reported to fly now back to Istanbul and only then to Moscow.


Why is that? Are crew hours going to expire or something else? I honestly hope they are not inconveniencing passengers because of the ongoing anti-Russian hysteria.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Sat May 28, 2022 4:49 pm

Blerg wrote:
A321Lufthansa wrote:
TK787 wrote:
Reported as technical. Landed at Vilnius.

And the passengers are reported to fly now back to Istanbul and only then to Moscow.


Why is that? Are crew hours going to expire or something else? I honestly hope they are not inconveniencing passengers because of the ongoing anti-Russian hysteria.


There are many restrictions for Russia-Turkey flights, one of them is very limited MEL items allowed. May be plane has a problem prevent leaving back from VKO
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Sat May 28, 2022 7:56 pm

Reporting on board TK4, JFK-IST, 11.5 year old 77W Erzurum, TC-JJJ. Full flight. 3 weeks ago company bought my Y ticket for around $1600 round trip. At check in they offered me an exit row seat, I refused. I don’t like no recline, less seat width, arm rest video screen…
Lucky me, I was upgraded to J at the gate. It pays eventually to be Elite Plus I guess :) This is my 3rd ER upgrade in over 190 total TK flights.
All good so far, watching Real Madrid-Liverpool live onTV. More tomorrow.
 
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Sat May 28, 2022 9:19 pm

TK787 wrote:
Reporting on board TK4, JFK-IST, 11.5 year old 77W Erzurum, TC-JJJ. Full flight. 3 weeks ago company bought my Y ticket for around $1600 round trip. At check in they offered me an exit row seat, I refused. I don’t like no recline, less seat width, arm rest video screen…
Lucky me, I was upgraded to J at the gate. It pays eventually to be Elite Plus I guess :) This is my 3rd ER upgrade in over 190 total TK flights.
All good so far, watching Real Madrid-Liverpool live onTV. More tomorrow.


Enjoy !
 
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Sun May 29, 2022 9:32 am

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Reporting on board TK4, JFK-IST, 11.5 year old 77W Erzurum, TC-JJJ. Full flight.


I think a fourth daily IST JFK is in the cards for next year. Something with a 10 am departure from IST.
 
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Sun May 29, 2022 12:31 pm

HB-IWC wrote:
TK787 wrote:
Reporting on board TK4, JFK-IST, 11.5 year old 77W Erzurum, TC-JJJ. Full flight.


I think a fourth daily IST JFK is in the cards for next year. Something with a 10 am departure from IST.

With no competition from US airlines anything is possible.
I know EWR is a bit slot restricted. Do you think if that wasn't the case, instead of a 4th JFK, a 2nd EWR makes sense?
I live in lower Manhattan and I prefer EWR over JFK, but departure/arrival options are not there.

By the way, my JFK-IST flight was under 9 hours. Even though thunderstorms during take off, it was a pretty smooth flight.
Perfect landing with no winds at IST. I could totally feel the switch from auto pilot to manual below 1000 feet, it could be even lower.
5:30 am IST was humming, we parked at gate A9. I've never seen those bleacher style sleeping areas near PierA. Many people were sleeping, like a slumber party.
No lines at Passport control, Duty Free or Customs, no traffic on a hot Sunday morning.
If I had to complain:
-I still think too many layers of service for Business Class food and beverage service. Just too much going on. I would be totally happy if it gets streamlined. So FA's are not rushed, pax can go to sleep earlier...
-TK has a new pasta option as entree. I usually get the Rigatoni in tomato sauce, similar to what they serve in Economy. I asked for pasta but this time, it was a mushroom fillet raioli/tortellini type pasta came, with sun dried tomatoes, cream sauce, a hint of truffle oil. Very nice imporvement. But there were only 5 pieces of pasta. Even the FA's mentioned that they thought the portion size was tiny. They were only given 10 portions, but many people ordered this option, as opposed to sea bass or beef salad.

That's about it. The crew worked very hard, were personable. I was able to chat with the purser, few FAs, and the flying chef.
They all like a guy wearing a custom made "TK787" shirt on board :)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Sun May 29, 2022 1:23 pm

TK787 wrote:
HB-IWC wrote:
TK787 wrote:
Reporting on board TK4, JFK-IST, 11.5 year old 77W Erzurum, TC-JJJ. Full flight.


By the way, my JFK-IST flight was under 9 hours. Even though thunderstorms during take off, it was a pretty
-I still think too many layers of service for Business Class food and beverage service. Just too much going on. I would be totally happy if it gets streamlined. So FA's are not rushed, pax can go to sleep earlier...



I've always found customer service to be TK'S biggest issue. Have done IST-US in J a handful of times, and never understood why they're rushing; it's not like the stage length is equivalent to BOS-LHR. When flying regionally in MENA and Europe, I do generally sit in Y so I'm ambivalent to their indifference.

Have also found the IFE to be disappointing, leaps and bounds south of EK's and SQ's offerings.

Also, that having that person amble around in a toque is such a gimmick. The chef is just one more person who gets in the way, not to mention there would be food regardless of the chef's presence.

Since TK loves wasting money on marketing itself by teaming up with personalities, they should just get Salt Bae on an IST-LAX run, one-time. All of those horrors of the web -- i.e. social media -- would explode.

However, I did find NH's and MS's "traditional" safety videos to be unique. Maybe TK could harness the power of Turkish history and come up with something.

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In spite of these superficial complaints, TK still flies all over the place, the planes land, and the country is one of my favorites. Perhaps a visit to Rize should be in the cards.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Sun May 29, 2022 1:42 pm

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I know EWR is a bit slot restricted. Do you think if that wasn't the case, instead of a 4th JFK, a 2nd EWR makes sense?
I live in lower Manhattan and I prefer EWR over JFK, but departure/arrival options are not there.


LAXint probably knows better but getting a slot pair with a 6pm arrival and 8 pm departure may be a challenge at EWR. It could be easier to find something that turns around earlier in the afternoon or around noon, but that would imply an IST departure in that morning bank and I do not know how commercially viable that would be outside the peak summer travel periods. It would be competing with TK003/004 to JFK as well.

By the way, the current EWR operation is very delay prone, even with such a very late evening turn around. Congestion at EWR is playing and the return flight TK030 arrives at IST almost invariably at least an hour late.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Sun May 29, 2022 6:36 pm

RobK wrote:
TC-LAF is out at RNT now, fully painted all white.


https://flic.kr/p/2notk2T

TC-LAE should be out this week. :)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Sun May 29, 2022 6:54 pm

leftyboarder wrote:
calcal wrote:
There are many more destinations TK could start flying to with much better chance of profitability instead of opening an Australia route. It just doesn’t make sense at least at the moment. Or they can increase frequencies to already proven markets.


Are there though? China and India are severely restricted and China hasn't even recovered post covid. Pretty much every destination in Africa is served, there is already good coverage in the US to all major markets and only a handful LatAm destinations remain unserved. I doubt there are a lot of new destinations ready for the picking. Increasing frequencies seems more viable, and that's what they've been doing lately rather than new long haul destinations.


I can't see Turkey-India bilaterals being expanded so long as Erdogan is in power, since he supports Pakistan's claim to Kashmir. There is a shockingly low amount of service to India for a supercarrier, only 14 flights per week (daily to DEL and BOM).

Interestingly, Saudi, UAE and Qatar did not condemn India during the Kashmir crisis in 2019, but the government seems content to offer liberal bilaterals to these countries.

As for Australia...going to be a hard sell when the UAE, Qatar and Singapore already handle so much Kangaroo Route traffic, while Aus-Europe nonstop is now possible with the 787-9 and upcoming Project Sunrise. Big Turkish community in the western/SW Sydney suburbs, however.

Turkey has its own problems right now. The lira has been in freefall since 2017, while Erdogan has pushed various white elephant infrastructure projects (Istanbul Canal, Çanakkale Bridge). Despite all the debt-driven infrastructure in a time of rapid inflation, Erdogan used (checks notes) his Islamic faith to justify ordering TCMB to lower interest rates, even though the Islamic definition of what counts as usury is surprisingly complicated and up for debate.
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Sun May 29, 2022 7:02 pm

Thank you for sharing this RobK

After the TC-LAG was delivered 10 days ago in S7 Airlines green livery, it should now actually be prepared for regular flight operations.
My question:
Will she be wearing AnadoluJet colors? or does it keep the basic livery of the S7 Airlines?
The same applies to the other 737-8 MAX for AJA (TC–LAH & TC–LAJ).
Interesting because some were photographed in all white (TC–LAF, TC–LAJ & TC–LAK).
Or get the new BOEING 737-8 MAX a completely new Look (Corporate Identity)?

And of course also for the TK A350 TC-LGI, which has already been spotted in the so-called "TURKOFLOT" livery?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Sun May 29, 2022 7:37 pm

TKflyer wrote:
Thank you for sharing this RobK

After the TC-LAG was delivered 10 days ago in S7 Airlines green livery, it should now actually be prepared for regular flight operations.
My question:
Will she be wearing AnadoluJet colors? or does it keep the basic livery of the S7 Airlines?
The same applies to the other 737-8 MAX for AJA (TC–LAH & TC–LAJ).
Interesting because some were photographed in all white (TC–LAF, TC–LAJ & TC–LAK).
Or get the new BOEING 737-8 MAX a completely new Look (Corporate Identity)?

And of course also for the TK A350 TC-LGI, which has already been spotted in the so-called "TURKOFLOT" livery?


The earlier frames were already painted (or scheduled to be painted with the S7 colours) before the Russia sanctions started so those ended up in full S7 colours, and later got the fuselage titles and main tail logo painted over, probably for PR reasons. The later frames were 'caught' before painting and presumably BOC (lessor) managed to get Boeing to just give them a white blow-over on the fuselage to save on costs having to fully strip them. The last 2, TC-LAE/F are new builds off the line (cancelled TUI orders) and so have the full white treatment, ready for the third party paint contractor upon arrival in Turkey.

Corrie TC-MKC is out at RNT unpainted and TC-MKD should be out maybe this week. 65900 and 65186. TC-MKB/E/F should be ready to deliver any day now, but TC-MKF still had its Blue Air winglets as of Thursday.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Sun May 29, 2022 7:46 pm

Sorry ignore my comment about TC-MKE. This one is NOT ready. The original TC-MKE is now ntu and going to Gol. The new TC-MKE is a cancelled Belavia frame. Confusing as both are on BFI ramp right now. I don't know if the Belavia will be getting repainted by Boeing or delivering like that and getting repainted by an external contractor. Corrie swapped all their old frames for new ones as they didn't want any reworked frames.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Sun May 29, 2022 11:46 pm

TKflyer wrote:

in addition, another ALC Boeing 737-8 MAX 8 was allocated for Corendon Airlines
TC-MKE 43334/8143 Boeing 737-8 MAX 8 ex N4022T, N1779B, EW-547PA Belavia, ff 03/11/2021

The following aircraft also completed their maiden flight
TC-MKF 43340/8217 Boeing 737-8 MAX on Order, spotted in fcs at BFI ff 13/03/2022
TC-MKB 65901/8265 Boeing 737-8 MAX on Order, spotted in fcs at BFI ff 11/05/2022



Corendon‘s next Boeing 737–8 MAX, line number 8289 could be TC–MKC or TC–MKD
https://www.flickr.com/photos/148006280@N03/52106479648/in/photostream/
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Mon May 30, 2022 11:53 am

It looks like TC-JOM is preparing for its return to service. This is the A333 TK leased from Afriqiyah Airways.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation May 2022

Mon May 30, 2022 3:25 pm

It's TC-MKC, like I said in my post above.

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