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Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 5:44 am

9N-AET flying from Pokhara to Jomsom with 22 occupants has been out of contact since 9:55 AM local time (04:10 UTC)

https://kathmandupost.com/national/2022/05/29/tara-air-flight-from-pokhara-to-jomsom-missing
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 5:59 am

Wow, just looked up their safety record, and it's not good. Hopeful all will be okay.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 6:47 am

There was an article just a few months ago about Nepal trying to get off of the EU blacklist:
https://kathmandupost.com/national/2022 ... -bills-yet

Their carriers are mostly fly-by-night operations who operate to some of the sketchiest airports in the world through mountainous terrain in foggy weather. Despite this, there isn't much oversight of safety standards, so crashes happen multiple times per year, and at least one is usually fatal. From what little I could find, the plane involved in this incident is 9N-AET. It is 43 years old and spent most of its life in Africa. Who knows what kind of maintenance record it has, or how Tara Air has treated it.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 9:12 am

Seeing this on the news. Very sad, hope for some good news but in that terrain and location I am thinking this will be 22 lives lost sadly.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 9:52 am

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/fea ... -in-nepal/

Reports coming in that this aircraft has crashed above Lete Pass and that a loud noise has been heard in that region. RIP.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 10:07 am

With all the terrain in that area surviving a crash in that area is just so low. Hoping for the best.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 10:41 am

SpectralK wrote:
Who knows what kind of maintenance record it has, or how Tara Air has treated it.

Or if MX was even an issue as it could have been CFIT, or anything else, so not fair to judge the carrier right off the bat.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 11:01 am

Chasensfo wrote:
SpectralK wrote:
Who knows what kind of maintenance record it has, or how Tara Air has treated it.

Or if MX was even an issue as it could have been CFIT, or anything else, so not fair to judge the carrier right off the bat.


Welcome to this forum. Par for the course.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 11:07 am

They managed to crash a brand new Viking Twin Otter 400...

There is no doubt the country's authorities are partly to blame, and let's be honest, one way to help safety in Nepal will probably be to either close some "airports", or vastly improve them. Another will be to review the margins of safety taken when operating the flights, the climb gradients, the power margins (losing an engine at the worst moment), the weather limits, etc.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 11:24 am

https://simpleflying.com/plane-with-22- ... -in-nepal/

There's a report that the aircraft was spotted near Larjung. As to the condition of the aircraft, it's not stated...at least in this article.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 12:09 pm

Aesma wrote:
They managed to crash a brand new Viking Twin Otter 400...

There is no doubt the country's authorities are partly to blame, and let's be honest, one way to help safety in Nepal will probably be to either close some "airports", or vastly improve them. Another will be to review the margins of safety taken when operating the flights, the climb gradients, the power margins (losing an engine at the worst moment), the weather limits, etc.


Yes it would be possible to improve the safety, but Nepal will inherently always be more dangerous to fly in. Many of the constraints are inevitable due to geography and weather, so any problem leaves less margin for error.

The communities which these airports serve are often remote and take long time to reach via road (which can be just as dangerous). It is impossible to bring the materials to build things like runways. Finally, unfortunately Nepal just can't afford many of these things, but people still need to travel...
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 3:05 pm

Aesma wrote:
They managed to crash a brand new Viking Twin Otter 400...

There is no doubt the country's authorities are partly to blame, and let's be honest, one way to help safety in Nepal will probably be to either close some "airports", or vastly improve them. Another will be to review the margins of safety taken when operating the flights, the climb gradients, the power margins (losing an engine at the worst moment), the weather limits, etc.


9N-AET is a 43 year old DHC-6-300. Also referenced as a 300 in subject.
Flight track from fr24.com https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... t#2c093470
No change in altitude with a right turn into the mountain.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 3:39 pm

I mean one of their previous fatal accidents.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 6:36 pm

I didn't know you could fit 22 people in a DHC6.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 7:34 pm

I heard the weather was not good when the plane was lost. Why would any airline even attempt to fly if weather is not optimal in that area? That would be like these Grand Canyon carriers trying to fly air tours below the Grand Canyon during fog or bad weather.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 8:11 pm

Do they use things like modern RNP approaches in Nepal yet?
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 8:41 pm

Pokhara - Jomsom is a very short fligt. The Kali Gandaki valley in this area is the worlds deepest gorge.
Very close also to the highest point, where ever a fixed wing aircraft landed and took off: Dhaulagiri northeastcol by the PC-6 prototype flying for a Swiss expedition in 1960.
Sad story, having flown around in this area in MSFS many times recently...
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Sun May 29, 2022 10:53 pm

Any count on if anyone survived? Has been some time since we’ve had confirmation that the plane crashed.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Mon May 30, 2022 12:35 am

Boeing757100 wrote:
Any count on if anyone survived? Has been some time since we’ve had confirmation that the plane crashed.

Yesterday evening the search was called off due to poor weather and light.
It just after dawn now but the valleys might still be dark.
There was a news report saying the ELT signal was located by a centre in Bangalore and its position given to the Nepalese authorities. This enabled them to locate the crash and get a helicopter to the nearest safe landing spot. However this was only 1 report.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Mon May 30, 2022 12:36 am

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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Mon May 30, 2022 2:08 am

Aircraft has finally been located at Sanosware, Thasang-2, Mustang and first image of the wreckage has come out.
https://twitter.com/NaSpokesperson/status/1531091044653142016
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Mon May 30, 2022 3:46 am

Aseem747 wrote:
Aircraft has finally been located at Sanosware, Thasang-2, Mustang and first image of the wreckage has come out.
https://twitter.com/NaSpokesperson/status/1531091044653142016

No sign of fire. Did it run out of fuel?
 
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Mon May 30, 2022 3:56 am

People also need to understand, most of Nepal is treacherous terrain. While it is easy to point fingers at these carriers, most of them are the ONLY link the people of Nepal have. For tourists, these flights are not like hopping on a Southwest flight between PHX-LAS. One has to understand that the risk of a crash are significantly higher when flying in Nepal. They can only take safety as best as they can in this part of the world. If they crack down too hard, there will be no more flights. Aside form the main airport in Katmandu, I doubt any of these airports will ever be able to meet ICAO standards no matter how tough the aviation authority gets.
 
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Mon May 30, 2022 5:05 am

That doesn't look good CFIT?
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Mon May 30, 2022 5:27 am

crownvic wrote:
People also need to understand, most of Nepal is treacherous terrain. While it is easy to point fingers at these carriers, most of them are the ONLY link the people of Nepal have. For tourists, these flights are not like hopping on a Southwest flight between PHX-LAS. One has to understand that the risk of a crash are significantly higher when flying in Nepal. They can only take safety as best as they can in this part of the world. If they crack down too hard, there will be no more flights. Aside form the main airport in Katmandu, I doubt any of these airports will ever be able to meet ICAO standards no matter how tough the aviation authority gets.

How long is this going to be good enough? The equipment and procedures exists to operate safety in mountainous terrain. You got caravans flying RNP in mountainous terrain in Alaska
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Mon May 30, 2022 7:15 am

Newark727 wrote:
I didn't know you could fit 22 people in a DHC6.


20 pax and 2 crew? Doesn't the Twin Otter hold up to 20 pax? And I doubt it was a single pilot ops.
 
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Mon May 30, 2022 7:47 am

32andBelow wrote:
crownvic wrote:
People also need to understand, most of Nepal is treacherous terrain. While it is easy to point fingers at these carriers, most of them are the ONLY link the people of Nepal have. For tourists, these flights are not like hopping on a Southwest flight between PHX-LAS. One has to understand that the risk of a crash are significantly higher when flying in Nepal. They can only take safety as best as they can in this part of the world. If they crack down too hard, there will be no more flights. Aside form the main airport in Katmandu, I doubt any of these airports will ever be able to meet ICAO standards no matter how tough the aviation authority gets.

How long is this going to be good enough? The equipment and procedures exists to operate safety in mountainous terrain. You got caravans flying RNP in mountainous terrain in Alaska


Are you really trying to compare Nepal to the USA? Things are close to bare-bones in this part of the world. It's a miracle that such few planes crash in a year, flying in the highest terrain in the world.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Mon May 30, 2022 2:52 pm

Aseem747 wrote:
Aircraft has finally been located at Sanosware, Thasang-2, Mustang and first image of the wreckage has come out.
https://twitter.com/NaSpokesperson/status/1531091044653142016

Seeing that photo, I doubt it was survivable.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Mon May 30, 2022 2:53 pm

whiplash wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
crownvic wrote:
People also need to understand, most of Nepal is treacherous terrain. While it is easy to point fingers at these carriers, most of them are the ONLY link the people of Nepal have. For tourists, these flights are not like hopping on a Southwest flight between PHX-LAS. One has to understand that the risk of a crash are significantly higher when flying in Nepal. They can only take safety as best as they can in this part of the world. If they crack down too hard, there will be no more flights. Aside form the main airport in Katmandu, I doubt any of these airports will ever be able to meet ICAO standards no matter how tough the aviation authority gets.

How long is this going to be good enough? The equipment and procedures exists to operate safety in mountainous terrain. You got caravans flying RNP in mountainous terrain in Alaska


Are you really trying to compare Nepal to the USA? Things are close to bare-bones in this part of the world. It's a miracle that such few planes crash in a year, flying in the highest terrain in the world.


Good point. These aiports are gererally at higher altiudes than those in Alaska and mountains are that much bigger leaving much less margin for error.
 
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Mon May 30, 2022 3:46 pm

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Do they use things like modern RNP approaches in Nepal yet?


The last time I flew in Nepal (Kathmandu to Lukla), the "navigation equipment" was a Garmin GPS unit duct-taped to the front pane; I immediately thought "Radio Shack!". Other than KTM, I doubt any other Nepalese airports have even a basic ability to sustain an RNP approach - and I am not sure even KTM would.
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Mon May 30, 2022 5:05 pm

whiplash wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
crownvic wrote:
People also need to understand, most of Nepal is treacherous terrain. While it is easy to point fingers at these carriers, most of them are the ONLY link the people of Nepal have. For tourists, these flights are not like hopping on a Southwest flight between PHX-LAS. One has to understand that the risk of a crash are significantly higher when flying in Nepal. They can only take safety as best as they can in this part of the world. If they crack down too hard, there will be no more flights. Aside form the main airport in Katmandu, I doubt any of these airports will ever be able to meet ICAO standards no matter how tough the aviation authority gets.

How long is this going to be good enough? The equipment and procedures exists to operate safety in mountainous terrain. You got caravans flying RNP in mountainous terrain in Alaska


Are you really trying to compare Nepal to the USA? Things are close to bare-bones in this part of the world. It's a miracle that such few planes crash in a year, flying in the highest terrain in the world.


I'm not sure the FAA would even allow scheduled operations at ANY of the Nepalese airports based on what I've seen. I live in Southeast Alaska and have been all over, I think the "worst" or most dangerous approach we have is Skagway, where you are hugging the mountains when landing on runway 20.... even Juneau requires special training & equipment to use all the approaches

https://www.airnav.com/airport/PAGY
 
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Tue May 31, 2022 1:48 am

usxguy wrote:
whiplash wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
How long is this going to be good enough? The equipment and procedures exists to operate safety in mountainous terrain. You got caravans flying RNP in mountainous terrain in Alaska


Are you really trying to compare Nepal to the USA? Things are close to bare-bones in this part of the world. It's a miracle that such few planes crash in a year, flying in the highest terrain in the world.


I'm not sure the FAA would even allow scheduled operations at ANY of the Nepalese airports based on what I've seen. I live in Southeast Alaska and have been all over, I think the "worst" or most dangerous approach we have is Skagway, where you are hugging the mountains when landing on runway 20.... even Juneau requires special training & equipment to use all the approaches

https://www.airnav.com/airport/PAGY


Let us forget about terrain for a second, the elevation of the airports you mentioned is less than 100ft AMSL. Close to 0ft as compared to the 9000 ft elevation of the Jomson airfield that the Twin Otter was flying to. You and I can just imagine the height of terrain in the region if the damn airports are on top of mountains. One wrong move/ one wrong cloud layer and your aircraft performance will leave much to be desired in terms of climb or turning.

I myself fly to an airport with an elevation of 10,700 ft in the NEOs (in India). The approach requires decent rates as low as 200-300 ft/min to as big as 2200-2400 ft/min with a span of 0.1 Nms with a bank angle exceeding 30 degrees at times due to excessive winds. I wonder if an RNP-AR approach can even replace this visual approach. The margin for error becomes extremely small once you enter the valleys of the Himalayas. Almost no aircraft can climb out in case of a Whoop Whoop Pull-Up warning.
 
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Tue May 31, 2022 2:43 am

I hiked this exact route between Pokhara and Jomsom almost 40 years ago. It's very tough terrain, Annapurna massif one way, Dhalagiri the other.
 
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Tue May 31, 2022 3:35 am

csturdiv wrote:
Newark727 wrote:
I didn't know you could fit 22 people in a DHC6.


20 pax and 2 crew? Doesn't the Twin Otter hold up to 20 pax? And I doubt it was a single pilot ops.


19 pax seats max on a DHT. Apparently the 22nd person was a crew member and not an infant. I wonder if they had an F/A onboard? Anyone know if the Twin Otter can squeeze in a flight deck jumpseat?
 
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Tue May 31, 2022 7:11 am

Dominion301 wrote:
csturdiv wrote:
Newark727 wrote:
I didn't know you could fit 22 people in a DHC6.


20 pax and 2 crew? Doesn't the Twin Otter hold up to 20 pax? And I doubt it was a single pilot ops.


19 pax seats max on a DHT. Apparently the 22nd person was a crew member and not an infant. I wonder if they had an F/A onboard? Anyone know if the Twin Otter can squeeze in a flight deck jumpseat?


I do believe they have an FA on their Twin Otters. Saw a video recently and it had one.
 
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Tue May 31, 2022 11:26 am

I doubt there were any survivors on this one. Also, now that the wreckage has been found, shouldn't the thread be changed to "Tara Air DHC-6-300 crashed" or something similar?
 
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whiplash wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
crownvic wrote:
People also need to understand, most of Nepal is treacherous terrain. While it is easy to point fingers at these carriers, most of them are the ONLY link the people of Nepal have. For tourists, these flights are not like hopping on a Southwest flight between PHX-LAS. One has to understand that the risk of a crash are significantly higher when flying in Nepal. They can only take safety as best as they can in this part of the world. If they crack down too hard, there will be no more flights. Aside form the main airport in Katmandu, I doubt any of these airports will ever be able to meet ICAO standards no matter how tough the aviation authority gets.

How long is this going to be good enough? The equipment and procedures exists to operate safety in mountainous terrain. You got caravans flying RNP in mountainous terrain in Alaska


Are you really trying to compare Nepal to the USA? Things are close to bare-bones in this part of the world. It's a miracle that such few planes crash in a year, flying in the highest terrain in the world.


Seriously. Truly astonishing the ignorance (and hubris) of some posters here.
 
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Tue May 31, 2022 12:47 pm

rj777 wrote:
I doubt there were any survivors on this one. Also, now that the wreckage has been found, shouldn't the thread be changed to "Tara Air DHC-6-300 crashed" or something similar?

No survivors, all bodies have been found.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/al ... story.html
 
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Re: Tara Air DHC-6-300 has lost contact.

Tue May 31, 2022 2:05 pm

Very sad news. :(
RIP to all...

crownvic wrote:
People also need to understand, most of Nepal is treacherous terrain. While it is easy to point fingers at these carriers, most of them are the ONLY link the people of Nepal have. For tourists, these flights are not like hopping on a Southwest flight between PHX-LAS. One has to understand that the risk of a crash are significantly higher when flying in Nepal. They can only take safety as best as they can in this part of the world. If they crack down too hard, there will be no more flights. Aside form the main airport in Katmandu, I doubt any of these airports will ever be able to meet ICAO standards no matter how tough the aviation authority gets.


Very good description of the situation.
Also, when there are other options than flying these are often far from safe. Either a day long bus ride on often dangerous roads (when there is a road at all), or weeks of hiking on paths that also bring all sorts of dangers (landslides, bridges in poor conditions, very tough weather) especially outside of the areas that are visited by tourists.
I went there a few times; based on what I saw I would consider pilots and all those who make it work heroes.
And no, they do not take safety lightly. It is common to have no flights on a domestic route for a whole week due to weather.
 
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Tue May 31, 2022 4:46 pm

Theseus wrote:
Very sad news. :(
RIP to all...

crownvic wrote:
People also need to understand, most of Nepal is treacherous terrain. While it is easy to point fingers at these carriers, most of them are the ONLY link the people of Nepal have. For tourists, these flights are not like hopping on a Southwest flight between PHX-LAS. One has to understand that the risk of a crash are significantly higher when flying in Nepal. They can only take safety as best as they can in this part of the world. If they crack down too hard, there will be no more flights. Aside form the main airport in Katmandu, I doubt any of these airports will ever be able to meet ICAO standards no matter how tough the aviation authority gets.


Very good description of the situation.
Also, when there are other options than flying these are often far from safe. Either a day long bus ride on often dangerous roads (when there is a road at all), or weeks of hiking on paths that also bring all sorts of dangers (landslides, bridges in poor conditions, very tough weather) especially outside of the areas that are visited by tourists.
I went there a few times; based on what I saw I would consider pilots and all those who make it work heroes.
And no, they do not take safety lightly. It is common to have no flights on a domestic route for a whole week due to weather.


I know nothing about the safety practices of the airlines in Nepal but the terrain they have to fly thru leaves very little room for error. It's illogical to compare flying in Nepal with anything else, IMO. I flew this same route in reverse, Jomson to Pokhara way back in 1994. It was also in a Twin Otter. It was a fantastic experience but one that I knew very well about the risks and was willing to take it. Back in those days the runway wasn't even paved. There are some videos on YouTube of this route.
 
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Tue May 31, 2022 9:47 pm

In many ways, domestic aviation in Nepal resembles that of Papua New Guinea, where weather and visibility play havoc with largely uncontrolled airspace. There are two primary differences: Altitude and attitudes towards regulatory oversight. PNG largely doesn't have the extreme elevation found in Nepal, but the regulatory environment is fairly strict. In Nepal, the regulatory oversight is slim to non-existent, and can be bribed away if found to be too annoying.

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