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YYZORD wrote:Would be nice for TK to launch IST-PER, easily could be done with a 773
tullamarine wrote:YYZORD wrote:Would be nice for TK to launch IST-PER, easily could be done with a 773
Turkish diaspora in Australia is overwhelmingly in Sydney so a direct route to PER is unlikely to be a great success.
YYZORD wrote:tullamarine wrote:YYZORD wrote:Would be nice for TK to launch IST-PER, easily could be done with a 773
Turkish diaspora in Australia is overwhelmingly in Sydney so a direct route to PER is unlikely to be a great success.
But think of the connections to Europe and elsewhere thru IST?
ben175 wrote:FCO also allows for better connections into Central Europe than CDG.
I wonder how long it will take for an airline to give PER-India a crack? Could be an opportunity for IndiGo with their 321LRs coming.
ben175 wrote:TK will only work to SYD or MEL if it's direct - there is literally zero point of them flying a one-stop journey when they already sell tickets via SIN/KUL/DPS on other carriers.
I've always thought PER would work for TK if they team up with VA. They could offer a hugely impressive one stop network to Europe/Africa via IST, and also offer connections to the Eastern states. EY is gone from PER, EK is down in frequency and QR in capacity. No better time for another carrier to jump in.
YYZORD wrote:tullamarine wrote:YYZORD wrote:Would be nice for TK to launch IST-PER, easily could be done with a 773
Turkish diaspora in Australia is overwhelmingly in Sydney so a direct route to PER is unlikely to be a great success.
But think of the connections to Europe and elsewhere thru IST?
smi0006 wrote:Would have been a great niche for ZL to build into if they weren’t obsessed with QF - and they’re brain wasn’t with their heart in the country….
qf2220 wrote:smi0006 wrote:Would have been a great niche for ZL to build into if they weren’t obsessed with QF - and they’re brain wasn’t with their heart in the country….
You want ZL to start international ops now and for sure go broke? I thought their 737 ops were their go broke strategy?
a7ala wrote:YYZORD wrote:tullamarine wrote:Turkish diaspora in Australia is overwhelmingly in Sydney so a direct route to PER is unlikely to be a great success.
But think of the connections to Europe and elsewhere thru IST?
Just because the aircraft is capable doesnt mean its worth doing. What would IST offer that cant already be done through DXB, DOH, and LHR non-stops?
RyanairGuru wrote:qf2220 wrote:smi0006 wrote:Would have been a great niche for ZL to build into if they weren’t obsessed with QF - and they’re brain wasn’t with their heart in the country….
You want ZL to start international ops now and for sure go broke? I thought their 737 ops were their go broke strategy?
I read it as ZL could be a Star domestic feeder, in this instance for TK via PER to SYD and MEL. Either way, I disagree that it would be a particularly viable strategy. SQ, NH, AC and UA are already aligned with VA and NZ with QF, so you’re looking at relatively niche operators such as Air China and a hypothetical Turkish route.
smi0006 wrote:RyanairGuru wrote:qf2220 wrote:
You want ZL to start international ops now and for sure go broke? I thought their 737 ops were their go broke strategy?
I read it as ZL could be a Star domestic feeder, in this instance for TK via PER to SYD and MEL. Either way, I disagree that it would be a particularly viable strategy. SQ, NH, AC and UA are already aligned with VA and NZ with QF, so you’re looking at relatively niche operators such as Air China and a hypothetical Turkish route.
Sorry - was an off the cuff comment, not a strategic plan. All I was thinking is ZL needs all the help they can get, if they managed to survive (doubtful) and grow a bit more. Star alliance membership would give them a decent FF base locally who would like a local carrier fully integrated into star. But yeah - complexity would be people who are loyal to velocity also. Does velocity offer SQ/UA/NH exactly the same as what star carriers offer?. But ZL need all the help they can get - deffs they shouldn’t even think about international.
DavidByrne wrote:a7ala wrote:YYZORD wrote:
But think of the connections to Europe and elsewhere thru IST?
Just because the aircraft is capable doesnt mean its worth doing. What would IST offer that cant already be done through DXB, DOH, and LHR non-stops?
TK has a stronger European network that DXB or DOH by a country mile, while LHR means a backtrack for most European passengers. That would make TK very attractive for many pax, as long as you're OK with a 3-star Skytrax rating (which I certainly am). And they're often very competitive price-wise. I think it makes good sense. I could see them doing several Australian ports if the rights could be worked out.
NTLDaz wrote:The VA and UA tie up is fantastic. Just booked CHS - IAH - SYD for 59000 Velocity Points and 70 bucks. QF wanted hundreds of thousands of points for the same trip. Yeah - supply and demand and all that but there is heaps of availability on UA.
Kent350787 wrote:They have been talking about heading to Australia ever since they had capable aircraft. There is no logical case for PER though
dredgy wrote:NTLDaz wrote:The VA and UA tie up is fantastic. Just booked CHS - IAH - SYD for 59000 Velocity Points and 70 bucks. QF wanted hundreds of thousands of points for the same trip. Yeah - supply and demand and all that but there is heaps of availability on UA.
Qantas make it irritatingly hard to find an actual award fare. Those "hundreds of thousands" are any-seat rewards. Classic rewards are much cheaper, though I would still say the value has eroded a fair bit over the years and their taxes are usually egregious.
A more apples to apples comparison on Qantas: 88,500 points gets you Charleston-Dallas-Tokyo-Sydney (125,000 in Premium economy). It still comes out worse in every way, but is a more fair comparison. Though I couldn't get to the taxes because the website kept crashing.
DavidByrne wrote:Kent350787 wrote:They have been talking about heading to Australia ever since they had capable aircraft. There is no logical case for PER though
There's no logical case for PER-IST itself, I concede. But there's also no logical case for SYD-DOH, or SYD-DXB as standalone routes. They only work because of connection traffic, which is what TK has focused a significant portion of its business model around. I won't die in a ditch arguing for PER-IST, but I don't believe it is a complete waste of an opportunity, especially given it's the only port in Australia that TK could realistically serve right now.
AdvancedBikkie wrote:With QF’s new commitment to PER, and their order books chock-a-block with new aircraft, I don’t know whether this is just pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking on my (west aussie) part, but I see QF possibly launching a number of new mid/long haul routes ex. PER (e.g. A223 to KUL, 787 to NRT, flights to FRA and CDG, and possibly even the cliche LAX route), and a permanent base here for 787s, and possibly A350s. Wondering what other a.netters think.
SCFlyer wrote:ZL at this stage has only picked up DL for interline. ZL may potentially pick up EY for their 2nd interline depending if EY wants to grab a 2nd Australian partner considering they are now a secondary partner of VA, seeing that incoming partner QR will likely be prioritised alongside SQ as the primary European partners of VA/VFF.
Saying that, I can't see TK partnering with ZL in PER (or in SYD or MEL for that matter) in any hypothetical situation. They may interline with both QF and VA at the minimum.
DavidByrne wrote:Kent350787 wrote:They have been talking about heading to Australia ever since they had capable aircraft. There is no logical case for PER though
There's no logical case for PER-IST itself, I concede. But there's also no logical case for SYD-DOH, or SYD-DXB as standalone routes. They only work because of connection traffic, which is what TK has focused a significant portion of its business model around. I won't die in a ditch arguing for PER-IST, but I don't believe it is a complete waste of an opportunity, especially given it's the only port in Australia that TK could realistically serve right now.
a320fan wrote:Whilst TK serves a lot of airports from its Istanbul hub, the other ME3, plus SQ and other SEA airlines pretty much cover the VAST majority of places Australians travelling to Europe want to go, so these minor city’s don’t add a whole lot of marketing gravitas to TK.
ben175 wrote:
I wonder how long it will take for an airline to give PER-India a crack? Could be an opportunity for IndiGo with their 321LRs coming.