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ZKNHF wrote:This might have been covered in a previous thread. But does anyone know anything about the possible return of the 200er?
https://www.facebook.com/10006356014435 ... 6iyRl/?d=n
Geoff Shearer
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ZKNHF wrote:This might have been covered in a previous thread. But does anyone know anything about the possible return of the 200er?
https://www.facebook.com/10006356014435 ... 6iyRl/?d=n
SCFlyer wrote:ZKNHF wrote:This might have been covered in a previous thread. But does anyone know anything about the possible return of the 200er?
https://www.facebook.com/10006356014435 ... 6iyRl/?d=n
Facebook post was deleted after replies pointed out that he wasn't correct plus the link to the Linkedin post stating the seller's role of selling the 772ERs.
Yes they do need replacing, what's also interesting is we have purchased 9 aircraft which are able to be refueled in the air. IMO it would make a lot of sense to purchase the A330 MRTT, it can be used in the strategic transport role, it can be used in the VIP role, in a disaster relief role it can do the heavy lifting to the closest large strip with the C130's doing the tactical lift. It can also be used to increase the range of our P8's and C130's.
Speaking of the P8's this govt has rock's in it's head if they don't increase the fleet to 6 aircraft, the Chinese aren't going away.
While we're buying things the Aussies are retiring the NH90'S, our's are to the same spec, it would be a sensible idea to buy 4-6 of them to help out our heavily used fleet.
ZKaviation wrote:SCFlyer wrote:ZKNHF wrote:This might have been covered in a previous thread. But does anyone know anything about the possible return of the 200er?
https://www.facebook.com/10006356014435 ... 6iyRl/?d=n
Facebook post was deleted after replies pointed out that he wasn't correct plus the link to the Linkedin post stating the seller's role of selling the 772ERs.
Hi SCFlyer,
I think you a referring to the post I made on my Facebook page ZKaviation about the return to service of the stored Boeing 777-200.
Firstly my post was deleted from my page NOT due to "replies pointed out that he wasn't correct" but because of the abuse/bullying I was receiving for posting the information by narcissistic plebs on my page, and more so on a less popular Facebook group. My source just said to me take it down, stuff them!
I have had no idea what your saying about the link to the linkedin post, I have just seen it now, and I am pretty sure that person has left that roll that was started up.
The content of my post was information passed onto to me by a senior engineer at air New Zealand, who was privy to 1 or more zoom about bringing 5/7 of the 200ER's back into service.
air New Zealand has 4 B77W's stored at VCV.
They are needed asap due to lack of capacity, and maintenance which is needed for the B77W's they need C-Checks and painting in Singapore, B789s needing to go to Texas for wing repairs and painting.
Bringing the 200ER's back on line would only take 30 days, and B789 Pilots are able to be current on on the B772s in 5 days due to common type training in the sim, and cabin crew in 3-4 days.
Anyway thats my part of putting the record correct on my side.
I am lucky to be trusted with information from people in high up places in aviation, maybe next time I will keep it to myself.
ZKaviation wrote:SCFlyer wrote:ZKNHF wrote:This might have been covered in a previous thread. But does anyone know anything about the possible return of the 200er?
https://www.facebook.com/10006356014435 ... 6iyRl/?d=n
Facebook post was deleted after replies pointed out that he wasn't correct plus the link to the Linkedin post stating the seller's role of selling the 772ERs.
Hi SCFlyer,
I think you a referring to the post I made on my Facebook page ZKaviation about the return to service of the stored Boeing 777-200.
Firstly my post was deleted from my page NOT due to "replies pointed out that he wasn't correct" but because of the abuse/bullying I was receiving for posting the information by narcissistic plebs on my page, and more so on a less popular Facebook group. My source just said to me take it down, stuff them!
I have had no idea what your saying about the link to the linkedin post, I have just seen it now, and I am pretty sure that person has left that roll that was started up.
The content of my post was information passed onto to me by a senior engineer at air New Zealand, who was privy to 1 or more zoom about bringing 5/7 of the 200ER's back into service.
air New Zealand has 4 B77W's stored at VCV.
They are needed asap due to lack of capacity, and maintenance which is needed for the B77W's they need C-Checks and painting in Singapore, B789s needing to go to Texas for wing repairs and painting.
Bringing the 200ER's back on line would only take 30 days, and B789 Pilots are able to be current on on the B772s in 5 days due to common type training in the sim, and cabin crew in 3-4 days.
Anyway thats my part of putting the record correct on my side.
I am lucky to be trusted with information from people in high up places in aviation, maybe next time I will keep it to myself.
Sprite8806 wrote:What happened to Mike Pero's airline Pasifika Air? And are there any new startups coming up in NZ?
Kiwiandrew wrote:Re the 777-200 rumour.
I'm curious why it would take so much less time to bring them back to service compared to the 77W. These are aircraft that NZ had decided to permanently retire, so one might have assumed they'd put less effort into looking after them in storage than the 77W which they had said might come back for a while . Any ideas why they would apparently be able to be reactivated sooner ?
ZK-NBT wrote:Kiwiandrew wrote:Re the 777-200 rumour.
I'm curious why it would take so much less time to bring them back to service compared to the 77W. These are aircraft that NZ had decided to permanently retire, so one might have assumed they'd put less effort into looking after them in storage than the 77W which they had said might come back for a while . Any ideas why they would apparently be able to be reactivated sooner ?
I doubt that they could. This is a little silly and I’ll eat my words if I am wrong but no way these are coming back. We are told 6 of 7 77Ws coming back only, a huge write down on the 772 fleet was made, they are no longer part of the fleet, more 787s arriving in 2023, it would take a lot longer to get crew trained. Not happening imo and that’s being realistic from what we have been told, not trying to be negative but it doesn’t make sense imo.
Sprite8806 wrote:What happened to Mike Pero's airline Pasifika Air? And are there any new startups coming up in NZ?
Sprite8806 wrote:Hey ZKaviation! Any updates on the rumour about EK coming to WLG? Would really love to see them here. Have a good day. Thanks.
Kiwiandrew wrote:Re the 777-200 rumour.
I'm curious why it would take so much less time to bring them back to service compared to the 77W. These are aircraft that NZ had decided to permanently retire, so one might have assumed they'd put less effort into looking after them in storage than the 77W which they had said might come back for a while . Any ideas why they would apparently be able to be reactivated sooner ?
NZ516 wrote:Sprite8806 wrote:What happened to Mike Pero's airline Pasifika Air? And are there any new startups coming up in NZ?
Mike Pero wound up his airline plan to much red tape got in the way unfortunately.
NZ6 wrote:Sprite8806 wrote:Hey ZKaviation! Any updates on the rumour about EK coming to WLG? Would really love to see them here. Have a good day. Thanks.
Are you from WLG out of interest? You seemingly ask for an update on this once a fortnight.
EK to my knowledge haven't openly talked about any imminent or even pending / planned flights? Isn't this just some wild av-geek rumor?
When we look at it, EK has the A380 and 77W at their disposal (yes there's a handful of 200's as well). Based on WLG's shorty runway and DXB being over 14,000km's away. You're left with two possible options
A) The triangle route DXB-WLG-CHC-DXB - but what's the point in direct in one direction? You end up with a directional imbalance ex CHC (i,e too many seats out vs number coming in) Is there really enough interest to fill a 77W into WLG
B) A Tasman connection - DXB-SYD-WLG-SYD-DXB
While B is most likely, it would still be questionable if EK can fill a 77W SYD-WLG-SYD - while SYD is used in my example. MEL and BNE could be options but given the size of aircraft used, you'd need to focus on a major center.
In my opinion - I think it's something EK would do... but they currently don't deploy the 77W into either SYD or MEL and anything would be some time away,
Sprite8806 wrote:NZ6 wrote:Sprite8806 wrote:Hey ZKaviation! Any updates on the rumour about EK coming to WLG? Would really love to see them here. Have a good day. Thanks.
Are you from WLG out of interest? You seemingly ask for an update on this once a fortnight.
EK to my knowledge haven't openly talked about any imminent or even pending / planned flights? Isn't this just some wild av-geek rumor?
When we look at it, EK has the A380 and 77W at their disposal (yes there's a handful of 200's as well). Based on WLG's shorty runway and DXB being over 14,000km's away. You're left with two possible options
A) The triangle route DXB-WLG-CHC-DXB - but what's the point in direct in one direction? You end up with a directional imbalance ex CHC (i,e too many seats out vs number coming in) Is there really enough interest to fill a 77W into WLG
B) A Tasman connection - DXB-SYD-WLG-SYD-DXB
While B is most likely, it would still be questionable if EK can fill a 77W SYD-WLG-SYD - while SYD is used in my example. MEL and BNE could be options but given the size of aircraft used, you'd need to focus on a major center.
In my opinion - I think it's something EK would do... but they currently don't deploy the 77W into either SYD or MEL and anything would be some time away,
Yes, I am. Sorry, I just really love my airport and any talk of expansion and new airlines coming here excites me. Especially a major one like Emirates. I just wanted to take an opportunity to ask him because he posted on his Facebook about Emirates potentially coming to WLG.
Kiwiandrew wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:Kiwiandrew wrote:Re the 777-200 rumour.
I'm curious why it would take so much less time to bring them back to service compared to the 77W. These are aircraft that NZ had decided to permanently retire, so one might have assumed they'd put less effort into looking after them in storage than the 77W which they had said might come back for a while . Any ideas why they would apparently be able to be reactivated sooner ?
I doubt that they could. This is a little silly and I’ll eat my words if I am wrong but no way these are coming back. We are told 6 of 7 77Ws coming back only, a huge write down on the 772 fleet was made, they are no longer part of the fleet, more 787s arriving in 2023, it would take a lot longer to get crew trained. Not happening imo and that’s being realistic from what we have been told, not trying to be negative but it doesn’t make sense imo.
Thanks. I have to admit to being very skeptical about it myself. I have learned over the years to never say never, but I really won't be convinced on this unless I actually see the aircraft back here.
Sprite8806 wrote:NZ6 wrote:Sprite8806 wrote:Hey ZKaviation! Any updates on the rumour about EK coming to WLG? Would really love to see them here. Have a good day. Thanks.
Are you from WLG out of interest? You seemingly ask for an update on this once a fortnight.
EK to my knowledge haven't openly talked about any imminent or even pending / planned flights? Isn't this just some wild av-geek rumor?
When we look at it, EK has the A380 and 77W at their disposal (yes there's a handful of 200's as well). Based on WLG's shorty runway and DXB being over 14,000km's away. You're left with two possible options
A) The triangle route DXB-WLG-CHC-DXB - but what's the point in direct in one direction? You end up with a directional imbalance ex CHC (i,e too many seats out vs number coming in) Is there really enough interest to fill a 77W into WLG
B) A Tasman connection - DXB-SYD-WLG-SYD-DXB
While B is most likely, it would still be questionable if EK can fill a 77W SYD-WLG-SYD - while SYD is used in my example. MEL and BNE could be options but given the size of aircraft used, you'd need to focus on a major center.
In my opinion - I think it's something EK would do... but they currently don't deploy the 77W into either SYD or MEL and anything would be some time away,
Yes, I am. Sorry, I just really love my airport and any talk of expansion and new airlines coming here excites me. Especially a major one like Emirates. I just wanted to take an opportunity to ask him because he posted on his Facebook about Emirates potentially coming to WLG.
ZaphodHarkonnen wrote:Something very important to remember that people are forgetting with the WLG long haul stuff. The regional annual income is high, but so are living costs. And living costs are going up faster than income. So the people here have less and less to spend on things like holidays overseas. I'm very aware of this fact as I'm one of these people.140k a year is a lot, but so is a mortgage over 500k that is staring down the barrel of 7%+ interest rates while also having pay raises well below CPI. Even if I wanted to travel outside of Welly every other week I simply don't have the spare income to pay for it. If NZ based airlines want more people traveling then they should be lobbying the government to address cost of living problems. More and longer runways are nice but pretty pointless if no one can pay to use them.
zkojq wrote:NZ516 wrote:Sprite8806 wrote:What happened to Mike Pero's airline Pasifika Air? And are there any new startups coming up in NZ?
Mike Pero wound up his airline plan to much red tape got in the way unfortunately.
Too much Red Tape? You mean to say that getting an AOC is hard? Who would have thought?
Kiwiandrew wrote:Re the 777-200 rumour.
I'm curious why it would take so much less time to bring them back to service compared to the 77W. These are aircraft that NZ had decided to permanently retire, so one might have assumed they'd put less effort into looking after them in storage than the 77W which they had said might come back for a while . Any ideas why they would apparently be able to be reactivated sooner ?
ZK-NBT wrote:Kiwiandrew wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:
I doubt that they could. This is a little silly and I’ll eat my words if I am wrong but no way these are coming back. We are told 6 of 7 77Ws coming back only, a huge write down on the 772 fleet was made, they are no longer part of the fleet, more 787s arriving in 2023, it would take a lot longer to get crew trained. Not happening imo and that’s being realistic from what we have been told, not trying to be negative but it doesn’t make sense imo.
Thanks. I have to admit to being very skeptical about it myself. I have learned over the years to never say never, but I really won't be convinced on this unless I actually see the aircraft back here.
I agree never say never. However this just isn’t at all feasible imo given the 772 is no longer actually part of the fleet and the way the world is now. They also owned 4 and leased 4 772s, not to say they couldn’t buy 1 of the leased ones.
I hope I didn’t come across as having a go at you. It is a frustrating topic that keeps coming up when we need to put it to bed.
Kiwiandrew wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:Kiwiandrew wrote:
Thanks. I have to admit to being very skeptical about it myself. I have learned over the years to never say never, but I really won't be convinced on this unless I actually see the aircraft back here.
I agree never say never. However this just isn’t at all feasible imo given the 772 is no longer actually part of the fleet and the way the world is now. They also owned 4 and leased 4 772s, not to say they couldn’t buy 1 of the leased ones.
I hope I didn’t come across as having a go at you. It is a frustrating topic that keeps coming up when we need to put it to bed.
All good, I definitely didn't think you were having a go at me.
My first thought when I saw the rumour about the 200s coming back was "nonsense!" ( but I also thought that when the rumours about serving JFK rather than EWR came out, and I was totally wrong in that, so I thought I'd better give the recent rumour the benefit of the doubt).
NZ801 wrote:Kiwiandrew wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:
A healthy dose of scepticism is warranted given we hear so much from “someone who was talking to a pilot” etc etc.
ZKaviation wrote:NZ801 wrote:Kiwiandrew wrote:
Pilot's are usually the last ones to find out anything, not usually the best sources of info.
Kiwiandrew wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:Kiwiandrew wrote:
Thanks. I have to admit to being very skeptical about it myself. I have learned over the years to never say never, but I really won't be convinced on this unless I actually see the aircraft back here.
I agree never say never. However this just isn’t at all feasible imo given the 772 is no longer actually part of the fleet and the way the world is now. They also owned 4 and leased 4 772s, not to say they couldn’t buy 1 of the leased ones.
I hope I didn’t come across as having a go at you. It is a frustrating topic that keeps coming up when we need to put it to bed.
ZK-NBT wrote:Kiwiandrew wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:
I agree never say never. However this just isn’t at all feasible imo given the 772 is no longer actually part of the fleet and the way the world is now. They also owned 4 and leased 4 772s, not to say they couldn’t buy 1 of the leased ones.
I hope I didn’t come across as having a go at you. It is a frustrating topic that keeps coming up when we need to put it to bed.
All good, I definitely didn't think you were having a go at me.
My first thought when I saw the rumour about the 200s coming back was "nonsense!" ( but I also thought that when the rumours about serving JFK rather than EWR came out, and I was totally wrong in that, so I thought I'd better give the recent rumour the benefit of the doubt).
I am always wracking my brain as to where the extra capacity maybe needed for the peak NW DEC-FEB. I’ll go on the basis of 3 77Ws being active only to be conservative.
10x LAX 77W
6x SFO 789 code 2
5x IAH 789 code 2
3x ORD 789 code 2
3x JFK 789 code 2
7x YVR 789 code 1
7x PVG
7x SIN
7x NRT
5x HKG
3x TPE
3x ICN
3x KIX
3x PPT
5x CHC-SIN 789 code 1
There maybe 1 even 2 more 77Ws back to cover some down time which will be minimal in peak season.
ZK-NBT wrote:I am always wracking my brain as to where the extra capacity maybe needed for the peak NW DEC-FEB. I’ll go on the basis of 3 77Ws being active only to be conservative.
10x LAX 77W
6x SFO 789 code 2
5x IAH 789 code 2
3x ORD 789 code 2
3x JFK 789 code 2
7x YVR 789 code 1
7x PVG
7x SIN
7x NRT
5x HKG
3x TPE
3x ICN
3x KIX
3x PPT
5x CHC-SIN 789 code 1
There maybe 1 even 2 more 77Ws back to cover some down time which will be minimal in peak season.
NZ801 wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:Kiwiandrew wrote:
All good, I definitely didn't think you were having a go at me.
My first thought when I saw the rumour about the 200s coming back was "nonsense!" ( but I also thought that when the rumours about serving JFK rather than EWR came out, and I was totally wrong in that, so I thought I'd better give the recent rumour the benefit of the doubt).
I am always wracking my brain as to where the extra capacity maybe needed for the peak NW DEC-FEB. I’ll go on the basis of 3 77Ws being active only to be conservative.
10x LAX 77W
6x SFO 789 code 2
5x IAH 789 code 2
3x ORD 789 code 2
3x JFK 789 code 2
7x YVR 789 code 1
7x PVG
7x SIN
7x NRT
5x HKG
3x TPE
3x ICN
3x KIX
3x PPT
5x CHC-SIN 789 code 1
There maybe 1 even 2 more 77Ws back to cover some down time which will be minimal in peak season.
Has anyone, maybe you have, done an allocation for the A320 fleet? Just curious if there’s anything that hasn’t returned yet that was A320 pre-COVID. For example CHC-RAR. Is there enough capacity to have all those routes returned?
Is DPS the only int’l route that hasn’t returned? It’s scheduled for next NS23. Not counting EZE obs.
PA515 wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:I am always wracking my brain as to where the extra capacity maybe needed for the peak NW DEC-FEB. I’ll go on the basis of 3 77Ws being active only to be conservative.
10x LAX 77W
6x SFO 789 code 2
5x IAH 789 code 2
3x ORD 789 code 2
3x JFK 789 code 2
7x YVR 789 code 1
7x PVG
7x SIN
7x NRT
5x HKG
3x TPE
3x ICN
3x KIX
3x PPT
5x CHC-SIN 789 code 1
There maybe 1 even 2 more 77Ws back to cover some down time which will be minimal in peak season.
Yesterday I did a sample of the Air NZ NW schedule from the Air NZ website booking function for the weeks 07-13 Nov and 05-11 Dec. The long haul requires 18 aircraft all showing as 789s, if the Sat TPE or HNL flight is moved to Sun. The shorthaul is up to 9 x 321neo and 8 x 320neo if AKL-IUE is ZK-OJM. The schedule is not accurate because many of the flights are there to capture bookings and aircraft types are not finalised. There are 789s that will be 77Ws, 321neos that will be 789s, 320neos that will be 321neos and OJM which could do something additional.
This is 07-13 Nov.
LAX x 7
SFO x 7
IAH x 5
ORD x 3
JFK x 3
YVR x 4
PVG x 7
SIN x 7
NRT x 7
HKG x 7
TPE x 3
ICN x 3
PER x 7
PPT x 1
KIX x 0
I expect the usual drip feed of alterations as they firm up.
Also, no SYD-NLK / BNE-NLK. There was an Australian Government tender for the NLK flights that closed on 14 May 2022, for a three year period from 01 Sep 2022. My understanding was Air NZ had until 30 June 2023 on the existing contract, so I don't know if they are still interested.
PA515
ZK-NBT wrote:Great thanks. From 12th Dec or so would be about when things really ramp up through to late Jan early Feb, still plenty of updates to come. Get a couple more 77Ws up to 5 back hopefully.
PA515 wrote:And since this afternoon YVR 12-18 Dec has changed again to Tu We Fr Sa Su. I might have another look in about a week.
PA515
PA515 wrote:And since this afternoon YVR 12-18 Dec has changed again to Tu We Fr Sa Su. I might have another look in about a week.
PA515
ZK-NBT wrote:I can’t see CHC-SIN when I do a dummy booking.
NZ516 wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:I can’t see CHC-SIN when I do a dummy booking.
CHC-SIN is showing its start on 30 OCT 22 and it ends 25 MAR 23 Dx13
11:05am 4:40pm NZ296 Air New Zealand 10h 35m