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PA515
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:31 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
I can’t see CHC-SIN when I do a dummy booking.
NZ516 wrote:
AKL-RAR-LAX is on the schedules for Sat 17 DEC


I gave up on the Air NZ website 'Flight schedules' several years ago as their booking function was always updated earlier.

PA515
 
ZK-NBT
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:41 am

PA515 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
I can’t see CHC-SIN when I do a dummy booking.
NZ516 wrote:
AKL-RAR-LAX is on the schedules for Sat 17 DEC


I gave up on the Air NZ website 'Flight schedules' several years ago as their booking function was always updated earlier.

PA515



The schedules are annoying given they no longer have a weekly option. They change week to week now where as you used to lock in your NW or NS schedule for the whole season and that was that, with the odd extra Christmas or CNY service.
 
ZK-NBT
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:47 am

NZ516 wrote:
AKL-RAR-LAX is on the schedules for Sat 17 DEC
NZ18 and NZ19 2210 1720 2355 1105 2230 0615 0800 1120 789


It’s not bookable either but yes does show on the schedules. I’m picking it won’t operate myself.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:07 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
AKL-RAR-LAX is on the schedules for Sat 17 DEC
NZ18 and NZ19 2210 1720 2355 1105 2230 0615 0800 1120 789


It’s not bookable either but yes does show on the schedules. I’m picking it won’t operate myself.


Fair point on RAR LAX. What is strange is going through the "Flight schedules" I searched day by day for the week beginning 12 Dec. There is so much flying listed for 787s. They will need 20 to cover all the flights so something has to give or a lot to be honest. They even show 789s on AKL LAX still which we know has changed. It's not reliable to base anything plus it takes ages to look over a seven day period in both directions. So the "Book" function to get a more accurate picture. Good to know for future reference.
 
ZK-NBT
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Wed Jun 08, 2022 5:02 am

NZ516 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
AKL-RAR-LAX is on the schedules for Sat 17 DEC
NZ18 and NZ19 2210 1720 2355 1105 2230 0615 0800 1120 789


It’s not bookable either but yes does show on the schedules. I’m picking it won’t operate myself.


Fair point on RAR LAX. What is strange is going through the "Flight schedules" I searched day by day for the week beginning 12 Dec. There is so much flying listed for 787s. They will need 20 to cover all the flights so something has to give or a lot to be honest. They even show 789s on AKL LAX still which we know has changed. It's not reliable to base anything plus it takes ages to look over a seven day period in both directions. So the "Book" function to get a more accurate picture. Good to know for future reference.


Yes all long haul flying for NW currently shows 787s. We all know something has to give, partly depends how many 77Ws they can get back in service by December, we are told 6 will return, I recall reading 2 more are being at now. If they can get 5 77Ws in service by December I would think they will be on LAX x10 and SFO x7

HKG shows x7 in schedules but is only bookable x4
NRT shows x7 but bookable x6
 
ZKNHF
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:07 am

NZ516 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
AKL-RAR-LAX is on the schedules for Sat 17 DEC
NZ18 and NZ19 2210 1720 2355 1105 2230 0615 0800 1120 789


It’s not bookable either but yes does show on the schedules. I’m picking it won’t operate myself.


Fair point on RAR LAX. What is strange is going through the "Flight schedules" I searched day by day for the week beginning 12 Dec. There is so much flying listed for 787s. They will need 20 to cover all the flights so something has to give or a lot to be honest. They even show 789s on AKL LAX still which we know has changed. It's not reliable to base anything plus it takes ages to look over a seven day period in both directions. So the "Book" function to get a more accurate picture. Good to know for future reference.


I can’t remember the source, but I think I read funding for LAX-RAR had been cut, combined with Air NZ shortages mean it’s unlikely to restart any time soon.

Also, Air Raro and Tahiti Nui have linked up to try bring Americans to the Cooks. https://centreforaviation.com/news/air- ... ou-1139785
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:52 am

What are the chances of Jetstar Regional coming back?
 
ZK-NBT
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:00 am

Sprite8806 wrote:
What are the chances of Jetstar Regional coming back?


I would think probably below zero given they were here fairly recently and exited.
 
NZ321
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:39 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
Sprite8806 wrote:
What are the chances of Jetstar Regional coming back?


I would think probably below zero given they were here fairly recently and exited.


Agreed. Unlikely. But we could see local carriers up-gauge as demand picks up from the regions. For instance, Sounds or Chathams.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:17 pm

A few things picked up over the last few days, in regard to aviation in New Zealand

But This has to be the best one so far, I guess lol

"Air New Zealand’s refreshed menu is ‘Aotearoa on a plate’"

The Star Alliance member is upgrading its culinary offering from nose to tail, with select flights enjoying a sneak preview. Bagels on the JFK service which starts in September.

Travellers jetting off to the ‘Land of the Long White Cloud’ can soon enjoy a fresh taste of New Zealand at 40,000ft, with Air New Zealand’s revamped international menu taking wing from October.

Passengers flying to and from Rarotonga were given a tantalising first taste of the ‘Business Premier business class menu last week, ahead of its official rollout on all long-haul flights, including the upcoming non-stop Auckland-New York and Auckland-Chicago routes.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ional-menu

"New Zealand Wants to Strengthen Its Air Navigation Systems"

On June 6, the New Zealand government announced an independent review of the country's air navigation system. However, the announcement gives little insight into the review's terms of reference or what, if any, problem it is setting out to solve.

https://simpleflying.com/new-zealand-ai ... em-review/

"Did New Zealand Break Climate Rules with Airline Subsidies?"

The New Zealand Government is under fire for breaking climate rules when handing out freight subsidies, dragging Air New Zealand into the controversy.

https://simpleflying.com/did-new-zealan ... subsidies/

"Air New Zealand Appoints Sustainability Officer: Her Biggest Challenges"

Air New Zealand is working towards net-zero emissions by 2050, and new chief sustainability officer Kiri Hannifin will be driving the changes.

https://simpleflying.com/air-new-zealan ... y-officer/

It's great to have news once in a while!
 
ZK-NBT
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:41 am

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220610-nzjul22tpenrt

Reductions for TPE/NRT for NZ in July, August.

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220610-nzaug22lax

LAX to 10 weekly For a few weeks July, August.
 
ZK-NBT
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:03 am

SQ281/282 SIN-AKL is loaded 4x weekly 77W in NW, wasn’t loaded at all. SQ285 currently loaded as an A380 daily and NZ daily 789.

QF145/146 SYD-AKL loaded as a 789 NOV-FEB replaces A330.

All subject to change at this point in time.

Nothing from TG yet, maybe a few others, though we are only in June.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sat Jun 11, 2022 12:19 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
SQ281/282 SIN-AKL is loaded 4x weekly 77W in NW, wasn’t loaded at all. SQ285 currently loaded as an A380 daily and NZ daily 789.


Interestingly, it looks like they are possibly planning an A359 on SQ281/282 (F inventory is blocked on those flights), and a B77W on the SQ285/286 (F inventory capped at 4 on those flights) although the schedule hasn't been revised to update the operating aircraft type yet.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:34 pm

Singapore 777 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
SQ281/282 SIN-AKL is loaded 4x weekly 77W in NW, wasn’t loaded at all. SQ285 currently loaded as an A380 daily and NZ daily 789.


Interestingly, it looks like they are possibly planning an A359 on SQ281/282 (F inventory is blocked on those flights), and a B77W on the SQ285/286 (F inventory capped at 4 on those flights) although the schedule hasn't been revised to update the operating aircraft type yet.


Thanks for that, plenty of changes happening as airlines more than ever figure out the best places to send their aircraft and which configuration to send. It was removed completely for a few days.

Outside of LHR/SYD and FRA-JFK where else are SQ planning to send 12 A380s? LHR/SYD could probably be 2 daily which would still leave some capacity 3-4 aircraft. ZRH/CDG?
 
mrkerr7474
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:33 pm

In regards to NZ out of WLG to Aus, will they be keeping their 9am departure times or will they revert back to the early morning times to try capture business travel once that comes back?
 
NZ801
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:39 pm

mrkerr7474 wrote:
In regards to NZ out of WLG to Aus, will they be keeping their 9am departure times or will they revert back to the early morning times to try capture business travel once that comes back?


It’ll be back to the 6am’s from later this month as the ramp up to the July holidays continues. CHC is the same.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:00 am

NZ801 wrote:
mrkerr7474 wrote:
In regards to NZ out of WLG to Aus, will they be keeping their 9am departure times or will they revert back to the early morning times to try capture business travel once that comes back?


It’ll be back to the 6am’s from later this month as the ramp up to the July holidays continues. CHC is the same.

As much as anything, the 6am departures allow for two complete return trips to Australia to be made in a single day. With a 9am departure, that isn't possible, so it's important for utilisation.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:37 am

Sprite8806 wrote:
What are the chances of Jetstar Regional coming back?


I would say pretty low, the Q300 was the wrong aircraft for them. It was enough different to NZ, and then NZ just rescued there prices making it near impossible for JQ to make an profit.
 
Kiwiandrew
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 2:52 am

zkncj wrote:
Sprite8806 wrote:
What are the chances of Jetstar Regional coming back?


I would say pretty low, the Q300 was the wrong aircraft for them. It was enough different to NZ, and then NZ just rescued there prices making it near impossible for JQ to make an profit.


I'm not sure what you meant to write in your post

How was the Q300 "enough different to NZ" when they were both operating the Q300 ?

What did you mean by "NZ just rescued there prices", I can guess that "there" was meant to be "their" but "rescued"? Did you mean "reduced" ?

You post some really interesting things sometimes, but often I find your posts very difficult to follow, sorry
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:11 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220610-nzjul22tpenrt

Reductions for TPE/NRT for NZ in July, August.

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220610-nzaug22lax

LAX to 10 weekly For a few weeks July, August.


Thanks ZKNBT for the schedule change update. Demand must be so low to TPE for some reason in August but it is showing 3 weekly again in Dec.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:14 am

NZ321 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Sprite8806 wrote:
What are the chances of Jetstar Regional coming back?


I would think probably below zero given they were here fairly recently and exited.


Agreed. Unlikely. But we could see local carriers up-gauge as demand picks up from the regions. For instance, Sounds or Chathams.


Sounds Air and Chathams will increase flying on the current routes but I can't see them ever competing on any existing Air NZ route.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:17 am

NZ801 wrote:
mrkerr7474 wrote:
In regards to NZ out of WLG to Aus, will they be keeping their 9am departure times or will they revert back to the early morning times to try capture business travel once that comes back?


It’ll be back to the 6am’s from later this month as the ramp up to the July holidays continues. CHC is the same.


Indeed I see from CHC that BNE, SYD and MEL are all daily in July. Plus NAN 3 pw and OOL 4 pw as well. So in effect they are using two A320s permanently on two daily flights each out of CHC.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:18 am

Kiwiandrew wrote:
zkncj wrote:
Sprite8806 wrote:
What are the chances of Jetstar Regional coming back?


I would say pretty low, the Q300 was the wrong aircraft for them. It was enough different to NZ, and then NZ just rescued there prices making it near impossible for JQ to make an profit.


I'm not sure what you meant to write in your post

How was the Q300 "enough different to NZ" when they were both operating the Q300 ?

What did you mean by "NZ just rescued there prices", I can guess that "there" was meant to be "their" but "rescued"? Did you mean "reduced" ?

You post some really interesting things sometimes, but often I find your posts very difficult to follow, sorry


I’m not sure what the ‘right’ aircraft would have been. I am not convinced at all by those who say a fleet of RJs, possibly unless the whole NZ operation was RJs replacing the A320s on the trunk routes. I think NZ are dominant in their home market and on many of regional routes there just isn’t enough room for 2 carriers to operate profitably.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:22 am

NZ516 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220610-nzjul22tpenrt

Reductions for TPE/NRT for NZ in July, August.

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220610-nzaug22lax

LAX to 10 weekly For a few weeks July, August.


Thanks ZKNBT for the schedule change update. Demand must be so low to TPE for some reason in August but it is showing 3 weekly again in Dec.


https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 022-05-03/

Taiwan has reasonably strict Covid measures in place compared to other places, wouldn’t exactly encourage people wanting to go there.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:27 am

NZ516 wrote:
NZ801 wrote:
mrkerr7474 wrote:
In regards to NZ out of WLG to Aus, will they be keeping their 9am departure times or will they revert back to the early morning times to try capture business travel once that comes back?


It’ll be back to the 6am’s from later this month as the ramp up to the July holidays continues. CHC is the same.


Indeed I see from CHC that BNE, SYD and MEL are all daily in July. Plus NAN 3 pw and OOL 4 pw as well. So in effect they are using two A320s permanently on two daily flights each out of CHC.


I wonder if NZ will at some point as demand grows look to reinstate the second daily WLG/CHC-SYD at least? Or if they will quietly leave it at a single daily, maybe an A321 instead although they are likely better used ex AKL.

QF are 10 weekly WLG-SYD now I think? And there is a second QF flight CHC-SYD showing for the NW plus the EK codeshare service on the A380. NZ will have to compete there.
 
NZ516
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:38 am

From the Book function for the week begining 12 Dec. Here are the 789 flights on offer using number day format. You can see that IAH and ORD fit in nicely to make one daily service this will use two 789s. Also the same with HKG and ICN.
This shows 13 789s are in use for the week. Also no 77W flights are listed.
AKL SIN D
AKL HKG DX146
AKL PVG D
AKL TPE 246
AKL NRT DX2
AKL ICN 146
AKL HNL 24
AKL YVR DX14
AKL LAX D
AKL SFO D
AKL IAH DX357
AKL ORD 357
AKL JFK 146
AKL PPT 135
AKL TBU 5
AKL APW 6
AKL NAN D
AKL PER D
AKL BNE D
AKL MEL D
AKL SYD DOUBLE D
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:43 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
NZ801 wrote:

It’ll be back to the 6am’s from later this month as the ramp up to the July holidays continues. CHC is the same.


Indeed I see from CHC that BNE, SYD and MEL are all daily in July. Plus NAN 3 pw and OOL 4 pw as well. So in effect they are using two A320s permanently on two daily flights each out of CHC.


I wonder if NZ will at some point as demand grows look to reinstate the second daily WLG/CHC-SYD at least? Or if they will quietly leave it at a single daily, maybe an A321 instead although they are likely better used ex AKL.

QF are 10 weekly WLG-SYD now I think? And there is a second QF flight CHC-SYD showing for the NW plus the EK codeshare service on the A380. NZ will have to compete there.


Good observation. These might return when the seasonal NAN flights end from CHC and WLG but only at a limited frequency.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:35 am

NZ516 wrote:
From the Book function for the week begining 12 Dec. Here are the 789 flights on offer using number day format. You can see that IAH and ORD fit in nicely to make one daily service this will use two 789s. Also the same with HKG and ICN.
This shows 13 789s are in use for the week. Also no 77W flights are listed.
AKL SIN D
AKL HKG DX146
AKL PVG D
AKL TPE 246
AKL NRT DX2
AKL ICN 146
AKL HNL 24
AKL YVR DX14
AKL LAX D
AKL SFO D
AKL IAH DX357
AKL ORD 357
AKL JFK 146
AKL PPT 135
AKL TBU 5
AKL APW 6
AKL NAN D
AKL PER D
AKL BNE D
AKL MEL D
AKL SYD DOUBLE D


You would need 14 maybe 15 to run that which will be doable when you add in 77Ws, just a question of how many, when I have done the schedule I have been conservative and allowed for only 3 77Ws and had them doing 10 weekly LAX. No KIX or CHC-SIN.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:31 am

NZ516 wrote:
From the Book function for the week begining 12 Dec. Here are the 789 flights on offer using number day format. You can see that IAH and ORD fit in nicely to make one daily service this will use two 789s. Also the same with HKG and ICN.
This shows 13 789s are in use for the week. Also no 77W flights are listed.
AKL SIN D
AKL HKG DX146
AKL PVG D
AKL TPE 246
AKL NRT DX2
AKL ICN 146
AKL HNL 24
AKL YVR DX14
AKL LAX D
AKL SFO D
AKL IAH DX357
AKL ORD 357
AKL JFK 146
AKL PPT 135
AKL TBU 5
AKL APW 6
AKL NAN D
AKL PER D
AKL BNE D
AKL MEL D
AKL SYD DOUBLE D


Thanks for your effort in compiling that. Interesting that RAR won't be getting any widebody service while APW/NAN/TBU all will.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:41 am

Kiwiandrew wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
From the Book function for the week begining 12 Dec. Here are the 789 flights on offer using number day format. You can see that IAH and ORD fit in nicely to make one daily service this will use two 789s. Also the same with HKG and ICN.
This shows 13 789s are in use for the week. Also no 77W flights are listed.
AKL SIN D
AKL HKG DX146
AKL PVG D
AKL TPE 246
AKL NRT DX2
AKL ICN 146
AKL HNL 24
AKL YVR DX14
AKL LAX D
AKL SFO D
AKL IAH DX357
AKL ORD 357
AKL JFK 146
AKL PPT 135
AKL TBU 5
AKL APW 6
AKL NAN D
AKL PER D
AKL BNE D
AKL MEL D
AKL SYD DOUBLE D


Thanks for your effort in compiling that. Interesting that RAR won't be getting any widebody service while APW/NAN/TBU all will.


Not sure on RAR, I would imagine it will get a wide body at least weekly for freight uplift, RAR-LAX looks to be gone and not sure on RAR-SYD yet.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 3:31 pm

Kiwiandrew wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
From the Book function for the week begining 12 Dec. Here are the 789 flights on offer using number day format. You can see that IAH and ORD fit in nicely to make one daily service this will use two 789s. Also the same with HKG and ICN.
This shows 13 789s are in use for the week. Also no 77W flights are listed.
AKL SIN D
AKL HKG DX146
AKL PVG D
AKL TPE 246
AKL NRT DX2
AKL ICN 146
AKL HNL 24
AKL YVR DX14
AKL LAX D
AKL SFO D
AKL IAH DX357
AKL ORD 357
AKL JFK 146
AKL PPT 135
AKL TBU 5
AKL APW 6
AKL NAN D
AKL PER D
AKL BNE D
AKL MEL D
AKL SYD DOUBLE D


Thanks for your effort in compiling that. Interesting that RAR won't be getting any widebody service while APW/NAN/TBU all will.


Indeed the RAR flights are all 320 operation in Dec. When you try to book RAR from both SYD and LAX every option is offered with a transit stop via AKL.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 3:43 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
From the Book function for the week begining 12 Dec. Here are the 789 flights on offer using number day format. You can see that IAH and ORD fit in nicely to make one daily service this will use two 789s. Also the same with HKG and ICN.
This shows 13 789s are in use for the week. Also no 77W flights are listed.
AKL SIN D
AKL HKG DX146
AKL PVG D
AKL TPE 246
AKL NRT DX2
AKL ICN 146
AKL HNL 24
AKL YVR DX14
AKL LAX D
AKL SFO D
AKL IAH DX357
AKL ORD 357
AKL JFK 146
AKL PPT 135
AKL TBU 5
AKL APW 6
AKL NAN D
AKL PER D
AKL BNE D
AKL MEL D
AKL SYD DOUBLE D


You would need 14 maybe 15 to run that which will be doable when you add in 77Ws, just a question of how many, when I have done the schedule I have been conservative and allowed for only 3 77Ws and had them doing 10 weekly LAX. No KIX or CHC-SIN.


It will need a few adjustments to accommodate the 77W.
They might have four 77Ws back by then so that could make the flights available all covered. Even with two 789s out on maintenance there will still be 16 in total 789/77W to cover the schedule. You are correct regarding no KIX, CHC-SIN or LAX-RAR
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:36 pm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/ ... next-month

A delegation from Christchurch to Adelaide in July are trying to get flights established between the two cities. It might be a challenge to convince an airline as the AKL - ADL route is still not up to daily yet.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 7:58 pm

NZ516 wrote:
Kiwiandrew wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
From the Book function for the week begining 12 Dec. Here are the 789 flights on offer using number day format. You can see that IAH and ORD fit in nicely to make one daily service this will use two 789s. Also the same with HKG and ICN.
This shows 13 789s are in use for the week. Also no 77W flights are listed.
AKL SIN D
AKL HKG DX146
AKL PVG D
AKL TPE 246
AKL NRT DX2
AKL ICN 146
AKL HNL 24
AKL YVR DX14
AKL LAX D
AKL SFO D
AKL IAH DX357
AKL ORD 357
AKL JFK 146
AKL PPT 135
AKL TBU 5
AKL APW 6
AKL NAN D
AKL PER D
AKL BNE D
AKL MEL D
AKL SYD DOUBLE D


Thanks for your effort in compiling that. Interesting that RAR won't be getting any widebody service while APW/NAN/TBU all will.


Indeed the RAR flights are all 320 operation in Dec. When you try to book RAR from both SYD and LAX every option is offered with a transit stop via AKL.


The Friday and Sunday flights the days the SYD and LAX operate aren’t bookable which would reflect the schedule booking system being updated. I would expect to see a 789 on 1-2 weekly flights. Not sure on RAR-SYD yet.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:06 pm

NZ516 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
From the Book function for the week begining 12 Dec. Here are the 789 flights on offer using number day format. You can see that IAH and ORD fit in nicely to make one daily service this will use two 789s. Also the same with HKG and ICN.
This shows 13 789s are in use for the week. Also no 77W flights are listed.
AKL SIN D
AKL HKG DX146
AKL PVG D
AKL TPE 246
AKL NRT DX2
AKL ICN 146
AKL HNL 24
AKL YVR DX14
AKL LAX D
AKL SFO D
AKL IAH DX357
AKL ORD 357
AKL JFK 146
AKL PPT 135
AKL TBU 5
AKL APW 6
AKL NAN D
AKL PER D
AKL BNE D
AKL MEL D
AKL SYD DOUBLE D


You would need 14 maybe 15 to run that which will be doable when you add in 77Ws, just a question of how many, when I have done the schedule I have been conservative and allowed for only 3 77Ws and had them doing 10 weekly LAX. No KIX or CHC-SIN.


It will need a few adjustments to accommodate the 77W.
They might have four 77Ws back by then so that could make the flights available all covered. Even with two 789s out on maintenance there will still be 16 in total 789/77W to cover the schedule. You are correct regarding no KIX, CHC-SIN or LAX-RAR


There generally wouldn’t be any aircraft out in the summer, I can’t see more than 1 789 being out if any over the ‘peak’ summer period.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:18 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
Singapore 777 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
SQ281/282 SIN-AKL is loaded 4x weekly 77W in NW, wasn’t loaded at all. SQ285 currently loaded as an A380 daily and NZ daily 789.


Interestingly, it looks like they are possibly planning an A359 on SQ281/282 (F inventory is blocked on those flights), and a B77W on the SQ285/286 (F inventory capped at 4 on those flights) although the schedule hasn't been revised to update the operating aircraft type yet.


Thanks for that, plenty of changes happening as airlines more than ever figure out the best places to send their aircraft and which configuration to send. It was removed completely for a few days.

Outside of LHR/SYD and FRA-JFK where else are SQ planning to send 12 A380s? LHR/SYD could probably be 2 daily which would still leave some capacity 3-4 aircraft. ZRH/CDG?


ZRH/CDG go both A380 in winter
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:57 pm

NZ516 wrote:
Kiwiandrew wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
From the Book function for the week begining 12 Dec. Here are the 789 flights on offer using number day format. You can see that IAH and ORD fit in nicely to make one daily service this will use two 789s. Also the same with HKG and ICN.
This shows 13 789s are in use for the week. Also no 77W flights are listed.
AKL SIN D
AKL HKG DX146
AKL PVG D
AKL TPE 246
AKL NRT DX2
AKL ICN 146
AKL HNL 24
AKL YVR DX14
AKL LAX D
AKL SFO D
AKL IAH DX357
AKL ORD 357
AKL JFK 146
AKL PPT 135
AKL TBU 5
AKL APW 6
AKL NAN D
AKL PER D
AKL BNE D
AKL MEL D
AKL SYD DOUBLE D


Thanks for your effort in compiling that. Interesting that RAR won't be getting any widebody service while APW/NAN/TBU all will.


Indeed the RAR flights are all 320 operation in Dec. When you try to book RAR from both SYD and LAX every option is offered with a transit stop via AKL.


https://www.cookislandsnews.com/nationa ... e-subsidy/

Reading between the lines here it looks like SYD-RAR won’t return either, not to surprising to me, it’s an easy connection through AKL, not sure who else would operate it non stop, I can’t see QF or JQ.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:00 pm

alphairspace wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Singapore 777 wrote:

Interestingly, it looks like they are possibly planning an A359 on SQ281/282 (F inventory is blocked on those flights), and a B77W on the SQ285/286 (F inventory capped at 4 on those flights) although the schedule hasn't been revised to update the operating aircraft type yet.


Thanks for that, plenty of changes happening as airlines more than ever figure out the best places to send their aircraft and which configuration to send. It was removed completely for a few days.

Outside of LHR/SYD and FRA-JFK where else are SQ planning to send 12 A380s? LHR/SYD could probably be 2 daily which would still leave some capacity 3-4 aircraft. ZRH/CDG?


ZRH/CDG go both A380 in winter


Those 2 before A380s had 10-12 weekly 77Ws, prior to that they had daily 744s, kind of surprised they don’t offer 2 flights on smaller aircraft for more connections. AKL is 1 of those routes in good times at least where a seasonal A380 makes sense, not sure they will have enough this year anyway now, we will see.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:54 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
NZ801 wrote:

It’ll be back to the 6am’s from later this month as the ramp up to the July holidays continues. CHC is the same.


Indeed I see from CHC that BNE, SYD and MEL are all daily in July. Plus NAN 3 pw and OOL 4 pw as well. So in effect they are using two A320s permanently on two daily flights each out of CHC.


I wonder if NZ will at some point as demand grows look to reinstate the second daily WLG/CHC-SYD at least? Or if they will quietly leave it at a single daily, maybe an A321 instead although they are likely better used ex AKL.

QF are 10 weekly WLG-SYD now I think? And there is a second QF flight CHC-SYD showing for the NW plus the EK codeshare service on the A380. NZ will have to compete there.


Was NZ ever daily pre-covid on WLG to SYD? I always thought it was only x5 a week. They do a mix of am and pm departures, any specific reason? That's obviously not the best for picking up large chunks of business travel

QF are currently x10 weekly as you mentioned and before long I'm sure they will be back to double daily on WLG-SYD
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 11:28 pm

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mrkerr7474 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ516 wrote:

Indeed I see from CHC that BNE, SYD and MEL are all daily in July. Plus NAN 3 pw and OOL 4 pw as well. So in effect they are using two A320s permanently on two daily flights each out of CHC.


I wonder if NZ will at some point as demand grows look to reinstate the second daily WLG/CHC-SYD at least? Or if they will quietly leave it at a single daily, maybe an A321 instead although they are likely better used ex AKL.



QF are 10 weekly WLG-SYD now I think? And there is a second QF flight CHC-SYD showing for the NW plus the EK codeshare service on the A380. NZ will have to compete there.


Was NZ ever daily pre-covid on WLG to SYD? I always thought it was only x5 a week. They do a mix of am and pm departures, any specific reason? That's obviously not the best for picking up large chunks of business travel

QF are currently x10 weekly as you mentioned and before long I'm sure they will be back to double daily on WLG-SYD



NZ were definitely daily, 11-12 weekly most of the time WLG-SYD iirc. Trying to match capacity to demand I guess, I think weekends might have been 1 daily? MON-FRI was generally 2 flights.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:05 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
Kiwiandrew wrote:

Thanks for your effort in compiling that. Interesting that RAR won't be getting any widebody service while APW/NAN/TBU all will.


Indeed the RAR flights are all 320 operation in Dec. When you try to book RAR from both SYD and LAX every option is offered with a transit stop via AKL.


https://www.cookislandsnews.com/nationa ... e-subsidy/

Reading between the lines here it looks like SYD-RAR won’t return either, not to surprising to me, it’s an easy connection through AKL, not sure who else would operate it non stop, I can’t see QF or JQ.


Only one weekly flights are so marginal so fully understand it be one of the first to not return. Agreed on QF not flying it but JQ could go SYD -RAR non stop if they get an incentive.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:49 am

NZ516 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ516 wrote:

Indeed the RAR flights are all 320 operation in Dec. When you try to book RAR from both SYD and LAX every option is offered with a transit stop via AKL.


https://www.cookislandsnews.com/nationa ... e-subsidy/

Reading between the lines here it looks like SYD-RAR won’t return either, not to surprising to me, it’s an easy connection through AKL, not sure who else would operate it non stop, I can’t see QF or JQ.


Only one weekly flights are so marginal so fully understand it be one of the first to not return. Agreed on QF not flying it but JQ could go SYD -RAR non stop if they get an incentive.


I meant it won’t return at all from what I gather. Not NZ’s bread and butter, like RAR-LAX, LAX-LHR.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:54 am

On the topic of Schedules the last flight NZ163 AKL-CNS is 28 October with no more avialable for sale after that date. So I presume that the agreement to fly year round AKL-CNS flights have been quietly dropped. The last flight to Sunshine Coast appears to be 15 October 22.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:00 am

NZ516 wrote:
On the topic of Schedules the last flight NZ163 AKL-CNS is 28 October with no more avialable for sale after that date. So I presume that the agreement to fly year round AKL-CNS flights have been quietly dropped.


It may be to early for the schedules to be updated.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:10 am

Looks like AKL-RAR switches from 789 to 321 on 31 Oct and goes from daily to 5 weekly.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:09 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
On the topic of Schedules the last flight NZ163 AKL-CNS is 28 October with no more avialable for sale after that date. So I presume that the agreement to fly year round AKL-CNS flights have been quietly dropped.


It may be to early for the schedules to be updated.


Having said that given the times we are in not sure I would see a summer service to CNS atm.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:52 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
Kiwiandrew wrote:

Thanks for your effort in compiling that. Interesting that RAR won't be getting any widebody service while APW/NAN/TBU all will.


Indeed the RAR flights are all 320 operation in Dec. When you try to book RAR from both SYD and LAX every option is offered with a transit stop via AKL.


https://www.cookislandsnews.com/nationa ... e-subsidy/

Reading between the lines here it looks like SYD-RAR won’t return either, not to surprising to me, it’s an easy connection through AKL, not sure who else would operate it non stop, I can’t see QF or JQ.

The timing of NZ’s RAR flights does not provide an “easy“ connection at all. In fact, it provides no connection. Some times of the year, JQ offers a 45-min connection at AKL to its own RAR flights, other times it’s five hours. Looks like NZ in particular has flagged the Australian market to RAR completely. I’d like to see a 2x weekly SYD-RAR A321 service in place of the weekly 789. Should be (just) within the A321’s range.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:12 am

DavidByrne wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ516 wrote:

Indeed the RAR flights are all 320 operation in Dec. When you try to book RAR from both SYD and LAX every option is offered with a transit stop via AKL.


https://www.cookislandsnews.com/nationa ... e-subsidy/

Reading between the lines here it looks like SYD-RAR won’t return either, not to surprising to me, it’s an easy connection through AKL, not sure who else would operate it non stop, I can’t see QF or JQ.

The timing of NZ’s RAR flights does not provide an “easy“ connection at all. In fact, it provides no connection. Some times of the year, JQ offers a 45-min connection at AKL to its own RAR flights, other times it’s five hours. Looks like NZ in particular has flagged the Australian market to RAR completely. I’d like to see a 2x weekly SYD-RAR A321 service in place of the weekly 789. Should be (just) within the A321’s range.


Your right, not sure why I thought that, some of the evening arrivals from the Islands do connect to the 1930 SYD departure when it operates.

The only way to actually connect both ways to the Islands is to operate the overnights like they used to leaving AKL at 2000 returning at 0500, not the best when you arrive at 0100 in RAR. Some of those flights were loaded in winter 2020 but obviously didn’t happen, this was to increase utilisation during the peak season.

RAR-SYD would be what slightly shorter than AKL-PER? Lack of alternatives might be an issue for an A321 SYD-RAR?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:37 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
[twoid]

[/twoid]
mrkerr7474 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

I wonder if NZ will at some point as demand grows look to reinstate the second daily WLG/CHC-SYD at least? Or if they will quietly leave it at a single daily, maybe an A321 instead although they are likely better used ex AKL.



QF are 10 weekly WLG-SYD now I think? And there is a second QF flight CHC-SYD showing for the NW plus the EK codeshare service on the A380. NZ will have to compete there.


Was NZ ever daily pre-covid on WLG to SYD? I always thought it was only x5 a week. They do a mix of am and pm departures, any specific reason? That's obviously not the best for picking up large chunks of business travel

QF are currently x10 weekly as you mentioned and before long I'm sure they will be back to double daily on WLG-SYD



NZ were definitely daily, 11-12 weekly most of the time WLG-SYD iirc. Trying to match capacity to demand I guess, I think weekends might have been 1 daily? MON-FRI was generally 2 flights.


Oh yes you're right, must have been thinking MEL instead, thanks!

It's interesting with turnaround times currently in WLG for QF whether to SYS or MEL with only 55mins listed (not that they have been getting anywhere close to that), any thoughts as to why airlines schedule such short timings knowing the probably won't ever achieve them?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2022

Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:46 am

mrkerr7474 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
[twoid]

[/twoid]
mrkerr7474 wrote:

Was NZ ever daily pre-covid on WLG to SYD? I always thought it was only x5 a week. They do a mix of am and pm departures, any specific reason? That's obviously not the best for picking up large chunks of business travel

QF are currently x10 weekly as you mentioned and before long I'm sure they will be back to double daily on WLG-SYD



NZ were definitely daily, 11-12 weekly most of the time WLG-SYD iirc. Trying to match capacity to demand I guess, I think weekends might have been 1 daily? MON-FRI was generally 2 flights.


Oh yes you're right, must have been thinking MEL instead, thanks!

It's interesting with turnaround times currently in WLG for QF whether to SYS or MEL with only 55mins listed (not that they have been getting anywhere close to that), any thoughts as to why airlines schedule such short timings knowing the probably won't ever achieve them?


55 mins is not short at all - in fact rather generous for a 737 which usually has a 40min turn time for QF domestic services .
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