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Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:13 pm

Atlas Air has taken delivery of the first of four new Boeing 747-8 freighters, the last remaining aircraft from the Boeing 747 program to be built. The 747-8F will operate on behalf of Cainiao, the logistics arm of Alibaba Group.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/o ... a23261c262
 
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Re: Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:02 pm

Sad to see the Queen of the skies production come to an end. She will always be a special aircraft in my eyes. Joe Sutter and crew really did it right. Luckily, living about 10 minutes from SDF, I will be seeing these beautiful birds flying over the house almost daily, for UPS, for decades to come.
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:06 pm

Alpha Lima Lima Hotel Alpha India Lima Tango Hotel Echo Quebec Uniform Echo Echo November!!!!!!!
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:53 am

Boeing757100 wrote:
Alpha Lima Lima Hotel Alpha India Lima Tango Hotel Echo Quebec Uniform Echo Echo November!!!!!!!


No clue what this means!!!!!!
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:03 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
Alpha Lima Lima Hotel Alpha India Lima Tango Hotel Echo Quebec Uniform Echo Echo November!!!!!!!


No clue what this means!!!!!!


"All Hail The Queen"
 
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Re: Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:10 am

FLALEFTY wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
Alpha Lima Lima Hotel Alpha India Lima Tango Hotel Echo Quebec Uniform Echo Echo November!!!!!!!


No clue what this means!!!!!!


"All Hail The Queen"


Ahhh, I get it. I live like two miles from the 747 factory now. And I was seeing the first ones build back when I was five years old. It’s difficult to see it end, but it’s time. Just like the 707, 720, and 727.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:30 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

No clue what this means!!!!!!


"All Hail The Queen"


Ahhh, I get it. I live like two miles from the 747 factory now. And I was seeing the first ones build back when I was five years old. It’s difficult to see it end, but it’s time. Just like the 707, 720, and 727.


The queen had her time I guess. So cool that you got to see the first 741s coming down the line when you were five and still get to see them today!
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:43 am

My allergies are acting up something fierce....it is going to get worse soon. I kneel before the QUEEN!!
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:36 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
Alpha Lima Lima Hotel Alpha India Lima Tango Hotel Echo Quebec Uniform Echo Echo November!!!!!!!


No clue what this means!!!!!!


The credit should go to Joe Sutter. He INVENTED the 747.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:37 pm

Nice message 757100, Im with you.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:42 pm

I also agree with you SimProgrammer, I was thinking about Joe right now. He is history, while his child flies on, on his behalf. Joe & the incredibles.
 
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Re: Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:45 pm

And to think Boeing originally thought the 747 to be a stopgap aircraft until the SSTs take over. Turns out it was the 747 that changed the world.

Sure there are others that can claim the title of biggest airliner, but only the 747 can be called the Queen of the Skies!
 
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Re: Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:58 pm

So the AF1 jets are already made if I remember right? Sometimes I wonder if it would be better if Air Force 1 is a 777-300?
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:06 pm

Babyshark wrote:
So the AF1 jets are already made if I remember right? Sometimes I wonder if it would be better if Air Force 1 is a 777-300?


Two engines ain't gonna happen when they have a platform with 4 that they can rig up to refuel midair.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:20 pm

I thought the 747s they picked for Air Force One were ex-Transaero and couldn't be retrofitted with in-air refueling capabilities.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:20 pm

IADCA wrote:
Babyshark wrote:
So the AF1 jets are already made if I remember right? Sometimes I wonder if it would be better if Air Force 1 is a 777-300?


Two engines ain't gonna happen when they have a platform with 4 that they can rig up to refuel midair.


The VC-25B will not have midair refueling, but yeah, 4 engines for this generation of AF1.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:22 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
Alpha Lima Lima Hotel Alpha India Lima Tango Hotel Echo Quebec Uniform Echo Echo November!!!!!!!


Well stated
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:24 pm

Weird that the 747 and I are roughly the same age. She had a good run, fitting that she was mostly replaced by sister, the 777.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:26 pm

The longevity of the 747 program is impressive. It managed to outlast the L-1011, MD-10, A300, A310, A340 and of course A380 wide body programs. Seeing a wide body commercial aircraft program lasting over 50 years is something we may never see again.

Hopefully Boeing will give the final 747 a fitting send off.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:36 pm

So, what's the status of the final frame ( LN1574)?

Has she reached final body join yet?
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:47 pm

ShanghaiNoon wrote:
I thought the 747s they picked for Air Force One were ex-Transaero and couldn't be retrofitted with in-air refueling capabilities.


Thanks. That seems absurd and choosing theatrical budget machinations over mission-critical capabilities, but that's what you get with that decision-making team.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:47 pm

Joe Sutter was something you don't see any more. The 747 exists because he had the cojones to stand up to Boeing management when they tried to do something stupid that would have screwed up the program.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:24 pm

IADCA wrote:
ShanghaiNoon wrote:
I thought the 747s they picked for Air Force One were ex-Transaero and couldn't be retrofitted with in-air refueling capabilities.


Thanks. That seems absurd and choosing theatrical budget machinations over mission-critical capabilities, but that's what you get with that decision-making team.
except it wasn't "that decision making team" that originally ordered them. "That" team only made Boeing agree to footing the bill for delays and cost overruns.
 
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Re: Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:31 pm

IADCA wrote:
ShanghaiNoon wrote:
I thought the 747s they picked for Air Force One were ex-Transaero and couldn't be retrofitted with in-air refueling capabilities.


Thanks. That seems absurd and choosing theatrical budget machinations over mission-critical capabilities, but that's what you get with that decision-making team.


I could be wrong but i dont think the air refueling capabilities were ever used on the 742 version of the AF1 in practice. I dont remember if on 9/11 they refueled mid-air. Given the considerable range increase of the 748 (vs 742) i can see why USAF didnt consider mid-air refueling mission critical.

I like to imagine that the 747 airplane inspired a lot of people to go into aviation mostly as pilots but also engineers and the likes.

I wonder if Atlas will ever replace its passanger 744s with second hand 748s.
 
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Re: Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:35 am

N47 wrote:
IADCA wrote:
ShanghaiNoon wrote:
I thought the 747s they picked for Air Force One were ex-Transaero and couldn't be retrofitted with in-air refueling capabilities.


Thanks. That seems absurd and choosing theatrical budget machinations over mission-critical capabilities, but that's what you get with that decision-making team.


I could be wrong but i dont think the air refueling capabilities were ever used on the 742 version of the AF1 in practice. I dont remember if on 9/11 they refueled mid-air. Given the considerable range increase of the 748 (vs 742) i can see why USAF didnt consider mid-air refueling mission critical.

I like to imagine that the 747 airplane inspired a lot of people to go into aviation mostly as pilots but also engineers and the likes.

I wonder if Atlas will ever replace its passanger 744s with second hand 748s.



I don't think there ever has been a refueling of any Air Force One by definition an Air Force transport with the POTUS onboard. In peacetime they don't want to put the President at risk in case something goes wrong. Even on 9/11/2001 they landed at Barksdale AFB in Louisiana rather than conduct an aerial refueling. Also deficiencies in the communications equipment onboard the VC-25 fleet were discovered. The President was unable to watch news broadcasts aboard Air Force One. Also it was impossible to broadcast from the VC-25's to the outside world. The stop at Barksdale not only gave the Air Force the opportunity to refuel the plane, it gave the President the opportunity to address the country. From Barksdale Air Force One continued on to Offutt Air Force Base where the President had an opportunity to meet with generals and get more information about what was happening. From there he then flew back to Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland. The VC-25 fleet had plenty of range to handle the whole itinerary by tankering fuel the whole way. Of course that would have required more fuel. I don' t think it would be necessary to have enough fuel to fly an emergency trip to OFF at the start of every itinerary within the US.
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:45 am

flyingclrs727 wrote:
N47 wrote:
IADCA wrote:

Thanks. That seems absurd and choosing theatrical budget machinations over mission-critical capabilities, but that's what you get with that decision-making team.


I could be wrong but i dont think the air refueling capabilities were ever used on the 742 version of the AF1 in practice. I dont remember if on 9/11 they refueled mid-air. Given the considerable range increase of the 748 (vs 742) i can see why USAF didnt consider mid-air refueling mission critical.

I like to imagine that the 747 airplane inspired a lot of people to go into aviation mostly as pilots but also engineers and the likes.

I wonder if Atlas will ever replace its passanger 744s with second hand 748s.



I don't think there ever has been a refueling of any Air Force One by definition an Air Force transport with the POTUS onboard. In peacetime they don't want to put the President at risk in case something goes wrong. Even on 9/11/2001 they landed at Barksdale AFB in Louisiana rather than conduct an aerial refueling. Also deficiencies in the communications equipment onboard the VC-25 fleet were discovered. The President was unable to watch news broadcasts aboard Air Force One. Also it was impossible to broadcast from the VC-25's to the outside world. The stop at Barksdale not only gave the Air Force the opportunity to refuel the plane, it gave the President the opportunity to address the country. From Barksdale Air Force One continued on to Offutt Air Force Base where the President had an opportunity to meet with generals and get more information about what was happening. From there he then flew back to Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland. The VC-25 fleet had plenty of range to handle the whole itinerary by tankering fuel the whole way. Of course that would have required more fuel. I don' t think it would be necessary to have enough fuel to fly an emergency trip to OFF at the start of every itinerary within the US.
supposedly there was an AAR contact with President Carter aboard an E-4, so technically an AF-1 has done it. But.. not used in 40 plus years.
 
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Re: Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:27 am

Wasn't there an Irak or Kabul surprise visit (thanksgiving, Christmas or similar?)were a president (Bush sr. or Bush jr.?) arrived suddenly and unannounced with his 747 in almost a hot war zone onboard AF1 to visit troops? On a VC-25A that was said to have been quietly inflight refueled to avoid any unwanted attention before arrival? Something like they topped it off outbound to be able to return nonstop from that place anytime or similar? Call sign used was standard AMC it seems.

AF1 would need to stay airborne for longer in times of conflict. It would make sense to keep the AAR capability from my view. Maybe it is just not publicly announced anymore on the VC-25B? Some other systems would have needed upgrades for longer flight duration as well like on the VC-25A.
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:32 am

N47 wrote:
IADCA wrote:
ShanghaiNoon wrote:
I thought the 747s they picked for Air Force One were ex-Transaero and couldn't be retrofitted with in-air refueling capabilities.


Thanks. That seems absurd and choosing theatrical budget machinations over mission-critical capabilities, but that's what you get with that decision-making team.


I could be wrong but i dont think the air refueling capabilities were ever used on the 742 version of the AF1 in practice. I dont remember if on 9/11 they refueled mid-air. Given the considerable range increase of the 748 (vs 742) i can see why USAF didnt consider mid-air refueling mission critical.

I like to imagine that the 747 airplane inspired a lot of people to go into aviation mostly as pilots but also engineers and the likes.

I wonder if Atlas will ever replace its passanger 744s with second hand 748s.


Correct. The VC-25A has never been refueled in flight operationally, with or without a President on board (officially making it Air Force One). I believe Boeing did test both frames before delivery to USAF, but am happy to be corrected on that fact. It should also be noted that all ‘Air Force One’ pilots DO keep their certifications for in-flight refueling current by practicing on one of the E-4B aircraft, in case the need ever arises. And, it goes without saying, the aircraft systems are maintained as if they will be used.
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:57 am

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Alpha Lima Lima Hotel Alpha India Lima Tango Hotel Echo Quebec Uniform Echo Echo November!!!!!!!


H E A R ! ! !

So long, Your Majesty!

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Re: Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:31 am

My favourite brewery here in the Sydney area has a former Qantas 747 pilot as one of the brewers now. They do airport themed beers from time to time with airport codes as the names of f their beer (ANR is the latest) so one for the Queen would be fitting. I'll put that into their ear next time I am there doing quality control taste testing.
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:04 pm

Nomadd wrote:
Joe Sutter was something you don't see any more. The 747 exists because he had the cojones to stand up to Boeing management when they tried to do something stupid that would have screwed up the program.


It really is thanks to him and Juan trippe. Wouldn’t have been for both of their handshakes (which was more trustworthy then their contract to both of them) and past experiences together (the Boeing 377 being a failure in terms of sales, plus the B707 changes which Juan wanted which if it weren’t for him would have had no sales).

No Pan Am = No 747
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:30 pm

Noshow wrote:
Wasn't there an Irak or Kabul surprise visit (thanksgiving, Christmas or similar?)were a president (Bush sr. or Bush jr.?) arrived suddenly and unannounced with his 747 in almost a hot war zone onboard AF1 to visit troops? On a VC-25A that was said to have been quietly inflight refueled to avoid any unwanted attention before arrival? Something like they topped it off outbound to be able to return nonstop from that place anytime or similar? Call sign used was standard AMC it seems.

AF1 would need to stay airborne for longer in times of conflict. It would make sense to keep the AAR capability from my view. Maybe it is just not publicly announced anymore on the VC-25B? Some other systems would have needed upgrades for longer flight duration as well like on the VC-25A.


Pretty sure I heard of this as well. AFAIK, they turned off all of the lights and landed unannounced. Nobody else knew the POTUS was there until AF1 was already taking off in the early morning.
 
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Sooner787 wrote:
So, what's the status of the final frame ( LN1574)?

Has she reached final body join yet?


L/N 1573 is since 21 July at the final body join position.
L/N 1574 is probably at the Wing to body join position, ( where the center wing structure is mated with both wings.)

Wing to body join position (first 3 747-8F's)
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:11 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

No clue what this means!!!!!!


"All Hail The Queen"


Ahhh, I get it. I live like two miles from the 747 factory now. And I was seeing the first ones build back when I was five years old. It’s difficult to see it end, but it’s time. Just like the 707, 720, and 727.


When you’ve seen 1571 of them, you’ve seen them all…
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:28 pm

I suspect that back when Suter honchoed the 747 one person could understand and comprehend the entire plane. They(?) also had a handle, but not mastery, of what and how its economics would perform in the real world. I do not think that is possible anymore.
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:44 pm

Can you tour the 747 assembly line? I know Boeing does factory tours, but can you see the 747 line in particular?
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:04 pm

Gillbilly wrote:
Can you tour the 747 assembly line? I know Boeing does factory tours, but can you see the 747 line in particular?

Years ago the 747 line was all they showed on the factory tour. It really was just a overhead view from a upstairs platform. Similar to the wing body pic in this thread. Then they loaded us on a bus a drove around the flight line past all the planes being final prepped for delivery.
 
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747classic wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
So, what's the status of the final frame ( LN1574)?

Has she reached final body join yet?


L/N 1573 is since 21 July at the final body join position.
L/N 1574 is probably at the Wing to body join position, ( where the center wing structure is mated with both wings.)

Wing to body join position (first 3 747-8F's)
Image

Copyright Boeing.

You meant, last 3 747-8Fs, right?
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:13 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
747classic wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
So, what's the status of the final frame ( LN1574)?

Has she reached final body join yet?


L/N 1573 is since 21 July at the final body join position.
L/N 1574 is probably at the Wing to body join position, ( where the center wing structure is mated with both wings.)

Wing to body join position (first 3 747-8F's)
Image

Copyright Boeing.

You meant, last 3 747-8Fs, right?


That picture is of the first three test-bed 747-8 on the line, see the URL for info. Factory looks different from that picture as of today too, IIRC.
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:07 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
You meant, last 3 747-8Fs, right?


The picture was only added to indicate how the wing to body join position looks.
It's as indicated above the picture a picture of the first three produced wing to body join(s) for L/N 1420, 1421 and 1422.
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:31 pm

Wouldn't be surprised if the next AF1 in the late 2050s is a twinjet where they modify the plane to take four engines, sort of like the A330/A340 situation. Wouldn't prohibitively difficult if they wanted to pony up the $$$.
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:47 pm

pjc747 wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if the next AF1 in the late 2050s is a twinjet where they modify the plane to take four engines, sort of like the A330/A340 situation. Wouldn't prohibitively difficult if they wanted to pony up the $$$.


Yes, yes, it would be prohibitively difficult and extremely expensive to reengineer, test, and certify a twinjet currently in production, to add more engines. Especially for only two frames. The 330/340 were planned from the beginning to be developed and sold in tandem, by the hundreds.

We're talking in the $BILLIONS and congress won't go for that.
 
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Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:34 am

lesfalls wrote:
Nomadd wrote:
Joe Sutter was something you don't see any more. The 747 exists because he had the cojones to stand up to Boeing management when they tried to do something stupid that would have screwed up the program.


It really is thanks to him and Juan trippe. Wouldn’t have been for both of their handshakes (which was more trustworthy then their contract to both of them) and past experiences together (the Boeing 377 being a failure in terms of sales, plus the B707 changes which Juan wanted which if it weren’t for him would have had no sales).

No Pan Am = No 747


Charles Lindbergh also had a lot to say about 747 purchase and specs decisions.
 
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Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:26 am

CMA727 wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
Nomadd wrote:
Joe Sutter was something you don't see any more. The 747 exists because he had the cojones to stand up to Boeing management when they tried to do something stupid that would have screwed up the program.


It really is thanks to him and Juan trippe. Wouldn’t have been for both of their handshakes (which was more trustworthy then their contract to both of them) and past experiences together (the Boeing 377 being a failure in terms of sales, plus the B707 changes which Juan wanted which if it weren’t for him would have had no sales).

No Pan Am = No 747


Charles Lindbergh also had a lot to say about 747 purchase and specs decisions.


Well he was part of Pan Am.

Wish we had some similar stories today about innovation in the industry as a transfer over to space travel becomes our next focus.
 
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Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:25 pm

lesfalls wrote:
CMA727 wrote:
lesfalls wrote:

It really is thanks to him and Juan trippe. Wouldn’t have been for both of their handshakes (which was more trustworthy then their contract to both of them) and past experiences together (the Boeing 377 being a failure in terms of sales, plus the B707 changes which Juan wanted which if it weren’t for him would have had no sales).

No Pan Am = No 747


Charles Lindbergh also had a lot to say about 747 purchase and specs decisions.


Well he was part of Pan Am.

Wish we had some similar stories today about innovation in the industry as a transfer over to space travel becomes our next focus.


Lindbergh was one of Juan Trippe´s closest advisors and Trippe listened to him while making the decision to order or not the 747 and/or SST´s.. While the 747 was being developed, Lindbergh was a frequent visitor at Boeing.

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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos