Well it seens Icelandair has got some competition for flying fish....

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ampaigners

The Faroese firm Bakkafrost have bought their own 757 to fly their fish to the US.

Has the craze for fresh fish gone a bit far or is it indeed more efficient to do it on your own
Perhaps they took a slice out of Amazon's book of having their own planes!

I wonder who will fly it for them

This joke has finally become really after so many years of hearing it…..

What is the registration of the frame will they be using/converting to the flying fridge?

yet another stereotype about the type substantiated..

It was A.net wasnt it?

Déjà vu?

Something seems...right about this

Hope they name airline Salmon Fifty Salmon.

ReverseFlow wrote:

Well it seens Icelandair has got some competition for flying fish....

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ampaigners

The Faroese firm Bakkafrost have bought their own 757 to fly their fish to the US.

Has the craze for fresh fish gone a bit far or is it indeed more efficient to do it on your own
Perhaps they took a slice out of Amazon's book of having their own planes!

Who is craving fresh Atlantic salmon? Don’t they have to dye it first to make it look edible

32andBelow wrote:

ReverseFlow wrote:

Well it seens Icelandair has got some competition for flying fish....

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ampaigners

The Faroese firm Bakkafrost have bought their own 757 to fly their fish to the US.

Has the craze for fresh fish gone a bit far or is it indeed more efficient to do it on your own
Perhaps they took a slice out of Amazon's book of having their own planes!

Who is craving fresh Atlantic salmon? Don’t they have to dye it first to make it look edible

They dye the feed which makes the salmon look more like wild salmon.

Interesting! Hope they're successful.

Boeing757100 wrote:

What is the registration of the frame will they be using/converting to the flying fridge?

F-ISHY

n797mx wrote:

Boeing757100 wrote:

What is the registration of the frame will they be using/converting to the flying fridge?

F-ISHY

You were close, all Iceland registered aircraft start with TF-.

https://www.icetra.is/aviation/aircraft/register/

So it appears that it will need to be TF-ISH, which is currently available.

[twoid][/twoid]

32andBelow wrote:

Who is craving fresh Atlantic salmon? Don’t they have to dye it first to make it look edible

By "fresh" I presume they mean fresher than they would be, going via a flight to Heathrow, and are not expecting the salmon to leap direct from the water onto the adjacently parked 757 ?

This is the natural fate of 757s. This is a happy post passenger job for any 757.

9252fly wrote:

So it appears that it will need to be TF-ISH, which is currently available.

You win.

JannEejit wrote:

By "fresh" I presume they mean fresher than they would be, going via a flight to Heathrow, and are not expecting the salmon to leap direct from the water onto the adjacently parked 757 ?

I'd watch this nature documentary!

Dominion301 wrote:

Hope they name airline Salmon Fifty Salmon.

I like that

DLASFlyer wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

ReverseFlow wrote:

Well it seens Icelandair has got some competition for flying fish....

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ampaigners

The Faroese firm Bakkafrost have bought their own 757 to fly their fish to the US.

Has the craze for fresh fish gone a bit far or is it indeed more efficient to do it on your own
Perhaps they took a slice out of Amazon's book of having their own planes!

Who is craving fresh Atlantic salmon? Don’t they have to dye it first to make it look edible

They dye the feed which makes the salmon look more like wild salmon.

Sorry, but that's incorrect. Faroese salmon has no dye in its feed.

9252fly wrote:

n797mx wrote:

Boeing757100 wrote:

What is the registration of the frame will they be using/converting to the flying fridge?

F-ISHY

You were close, all Iceland registered aircraft start with TF-.

https://www.icetra.is/aviation/aircraft/register/

So it appears that it will need to be TF-ISH, which is currently available.

Except...why would a Faroese airline register their aircraft in Iceland? We (the Faroe Islands) are a country within the realm of the Kingdom of Denmark. While we do consider Icelanders to be our "big brother", and Icelandic is the language closest to Faroese, we have no ties as such to Iceland. We compete for fish in adjacent waters. That's about it.

DLASFlyer wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

ReverseFlow wrote:

Well it seens Icelandair has got some competition for flying fish....

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ampaigners

The Faroese firm Bakkafrost have bought their own 757 to fly their fish to the US.

Has the craze for fresh fish gone a bit far or is it indeed more efficient to do it on your own
Perhaps they took a slice out of Amazon's book of having their own planes!

Who is craving fresh Atlantic salmon? Don’t they have to dye it first to make it look edible

They dye the feed which makes the salmon look more like wild salmon.

No. Atlantic salmon is wild salmon

9252fly wrote:

n797mx wrote:

Boeing757100 wrote:

What is the registration of the frame will they be using/converting to the flying fridge?

F-ISHY

You were close, all Iceland registered aircraft start with TF-.

https://www.icetra.is/aviation/aircraft/register/

So it appears that it will need to be TF-ISH, which is currently available.

The article suggests that the flights will operate from the Faroe Islands. The Faroe Islands are a Danish protectorate, so if the 757 is locally registered it will be on the Danish OY- register.

9252fly wrote:

n797mx wrote:

Boeing757100 wrote:

What is the registration of the frame will they be using/converting to the flying fridge?

F-ISHY

You were close, all Iceland registered aircraft start with TF-.

https://www.icetra.is/aviation/aircraft/register/

So it appears that it will need to be TF-ISH, which is currently available.

TF-ISH is reserved, coming Fall 2022

Interesting use of a 757. I guess the runway at Vagar can handle a fully-loaded 757 taking off for North America? Also, what will the aircraft carry on the return leg? Isn't it hard to carry dry goods in a fishy compartment?

BealineV953 wrote:

9252fly wrote:

n797mx wrote:

F-ISHY

You were close, all Iceland registered aircraft start with TF-.

https://www.icetra.is/aviation/aircraft/register/

So it appears that it will need to be TF-ISH, which is currently available.

The article suggests that the flights will operate from the Faroe Islands. The Faroe Islands are a Danish protectorate, so if the 757 is locally registered it will be on the Danish OY- register.

Correct, except for the protectorate part. I'm not touchy about it, but many people here wouldn't like that term. We are a country within the Realm of the Kingdom of Denmark (which is made up of 3 countries: Denmark, the Faroe Islands and Greenland). While we do send 2 representatives to the Folketinget (the Danish Parliament), Danish law doesn't apply here. We have our own Parliament, called Løgtingið, that has its full autonomy to legislate our own laws. Denmark is responsible for our defence and foreign policy, that's all. Oh, and our police wear Danish police uniforms. So, Danish police, but policing according to Faroese laws.

russyyz wrote:

Interesting use of a 757. I guess the runway at Vagar can handle a fully-loaded 757 taking off for North America? Also, what will the aircraft carry on the return leg? Isn't it hard to carry dry goods in a fishy compartment?

The compartment isn't as fishy as you may think. The fish is shipped on ice, in closed containers, on pallets. There are no loose fish, or even ice, gliding around during the flight. It all stays dry and without any significant smell.

russyyz wrote:

Interesting use of a 757. I guess the runway at Vagar can handle a fully-loaded 757 taking off for North America? Also, what will the aircraft carry on the return leg? Isn't it hard to carry dry goods in a fishy compartment?

It's 1800 metres, practically at sea level. The issues here are low visibility (fog and heavy rain), and - less so - gusty winds.

MalevTU134 wrote:

BealineV953 wrote:

9252fly wrote:

You were close, all Iceland registered aircraft start with TF-.

https://www.icetra.is/aviation/aircraft/register/

So it appears that it will need to be TF-ISH, which is currently available.

The article suggests that the flights will operate from the Faroe Islands. The Faroe Islands are a Danish protectorate, so if the 757 is locally registered it will be on the Danish OY- register.

Correct, except for the protectorate part. I'm not touchy about it, but many people here wouldn't like that term. We are a country within the Realm of the Kingdom of Denmark (which is made up of 3 countries: Denmark, the Faroe Islands and Greenland). While we do send 2 representatives to the Folketinget (the Danish Parliament), Danish law doesn't apply here. We have our own Parliament, called Løgtingið, that has its full autonomy to legislate our own laws. Denmark is responsible for our defence and foreign policy, that's all. Oh, and our police wear Danish police uniforms. So, Danish police, but policing according to Faroese laws.

My mistake, no disrespect to the people of the Faroe Islands. I had my mind fixated on all humorous Icelandair B757 fish threads over the years. I was aware of the Faroe Islands, just didn't click in my head. Thanks for the informative post.

What makes the 757 a better aircraft for flying fish than other aircraft?

questions wrote:

What makes the 757 a better aircraft for flying fish than other aircraft?

Range for money. What other aircaft could take off from Vágar and make it to the US with a meaningful load? A320neos and 757s. Guess which is cheaper to get?

9252fly wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

BealineV953 wrote:

The article suggests that the flights will operate from the Faroe Islands. The Faroe Islands are a Danish protectorate, so if the 757 is locally registered it will be on the Danish OY- register.

Correct, except for the protectorate part. I'm not touchy about it, but many people here wouldn't like that term. We are a country within the Realm of the Kingdom of Denmark (which is made up of 3 countries: Denmark, the Faroe Islands and Greenland). While we do send 2 representatives to the Folketinget (the Danish Parliament), Danish law doesn't apply here. We have our own Parliament, called Løgtingið, that has its full autonomy to legislate our own laws. Denmark is responsible for our defence and foreign policy, that's all. Oh, and our police wear Danish police uniforms. So, Danish police, but policing according to Faroese laws.

My mistake, no disrespect to the people of the Faroe Islands. I had my mind fixated on all humorous Icelandair B757 fish threads over the years. I was aware of the Faroe Islands, just didn't click in my head. Thanks for the informative post.

No sweat. Now we'll have two airlines to crack fishy 757 jokes about.
And we're used to our country not being known abroad (not meaning you, you are aware of what the Faroes are...but in general). When we travel, most people never heard of where we're from. We actually even hear quite often, when we say we're from the Faroes, "from the Pharaohs??...but you don't look Arab"...said with a bewildered face.

MalevTU134 wrote:

9252fly wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

Correct, except for the protectorate part. I'm not touchy about it, but many people here wouldn't like that term. We are a country within the Realm of the Kingdom of Denmark (which is made up of 3 countries: Denmark, the Faroe Islands and Greenland). While we do send 2 representatives to the Folketinget (the Danish Parliament), Danish law doesn't apply here. We have our own Parliament, called Løgtingið, that has its full autonomy to legislate our own laws. Denmark is responsible for our defence and foreign policy, that's all. Oh, and our police wear Danish police uniforms. So, Danish police, but policing according to Faroese laws.

When we travel, most people never heard of where we're from. We actually even hear quite often, when we say we're from the Faroes, "from the Pharaohs??...but you don't look Arab"...said with a bewildered face.

Hilarious and too funny!

Rather than the smelly cargo compartment, I'm more worried about the complexity for a fish producing and processing company with a thousand employees (producing fish, mind you, not flying planes) to get its own sophisticated aircraft. And the wisdom thereof. While Bakkafrost certainly aren't idiots, I wonder whether they are aware of the complexities of essentially running a cargo airline. They will have a single aircraft, no backup when it goes tech, possibly with all that fresh salmon sitting onboard. There's no prior expertise at their home base of 757 ops or tech... Atlantic Airways can't lend them a hand; they operate A320s and Augusta helicopters. Closest 757 expertise would be at KEF or possibly in Scotland (Prestwick? Glasgow? Edinburgh?). They will have to invest millions in a stock of spare parts. And many times, the incoming flight will not be able to land, but be diverted to Norway, Iceland or Scotland (all three producing their own salmon, so maybe just upload it there instead?... ). And they will need a small and therefore vulnerable flight crew. Dispatch department. And so on... Must be incredibly expensive. There's a lots of money in salmon, for sure, but this seems like a risky enterprise to me.

If they really start this totally ridiculous 757 fish business I am sure it will just be a red herring. Things like contraband trasprotation and money laundrey might be their true core businesses.

Kilopond wrote:

If they really start this totally ridiculous 757 fish business I am sure it will just be a red herring. Things like contraband trasprotation and money laundrey might be their true core businesses.

Naaaah....if they take any more cargo - contraband or not - , the salmon will be packed like sardines. And money laundering? Like some loan sharks? Doubtful...

MalevTU134 wrote:

There's a lots of money in salmon, for sure, but this seems like a risky enterprise to me.

Yeah, definitely something fishy going on.

Dominion301 wrote:

Hope they name airline Salmon Fifty Salmon.

Well, BAKKAFROST seems a fitting enough name.

icelandair75w wrote:

TF-ISH is reserved, coming Fall 2022

So, what remains is the livery. The 757 means a bigger salmon to fry (err...apply) -- meet SAL.....


https://st.depositphotos.com/1194063/31 ... salmon.jpg

32andBelow wrote:

Who is craving fresh Atlantic salmon?

For those who have developed a taste for it, there will be a cook-off before the inaugural flight!

From the article:

Bakkafrost’s 757 is being converted into a flying fridge capable of carrying 35 tonnes of fresh salmon, chilled to zero degrees, from the Faroe Isles, an archipelago midway between Scotland and Iceland, direct to an airport in New Jersey.

Can 757 take off from Vagar Airport? The runway is only 1800m long. Wouldn't a 737 be more appropriate?

MalevTU134 wrote:

[...]Naaaah....if they take any more cargo - contraband or not - , the salmon will be packed like sardines. [...]

Think about bi-directional operations.

raylee67 wrote:

From the article:

Bakkafrost’s 757 is being converted into a flying fridge capable of carrying 35 tonnes of fresh salmon, chilled to zero degrees, from the Faroe Isles, an archipelago midway between Scotland and Iceland, direct to an airport in New Jersey.

Can 757 take off from Vagar Airport? The runway is only 1800m long. Wouldn't a 737 be more appropriate?

A 737? Not if you want to take some decent load of salmon with you...

As for can a 757 take off... it's an aircraft with an impressive takeoff performance. Look on YouTube for videos of a 757 taking off at RKV (not Keflavík, but Reykjavík's smaller, downtown airport). Given, the aircraft is empty, but I believe it's 11 seconds from releasing brakes to liftoff. In essence, no problems with a 757 taking off here at Vágar.

Kilopond wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

[...]Naaaah....if they take any more cargo - contraband or not - , the salmon will be packed like sardines. [...]

Think about bi-directional operations.

Huh? What would you smuggle from the US to the Faroe Islands, using a 757? Peanut butter?

n797mx wrote:

Boeing757100 wrote:

What is the registration of the frame will they be using/converting to the flying fridge?

F-ISHY

Icelandair has this registration reserved for a future aircraft. Not sure how the Salmon company got it.

jetblueguy22 wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

Rather than the smelly cargo compartment, I'm more worried about the complexity for a fish producing and processing company with a thousand employees (producing fish, mind you, not flying planes) to get its own sophisticated aircraft. And the wisdom thereof. While Bakkafrost certainly aren't idiots, I wonder whether they are aware of the complexities of essentially running a cargo airline. They will have a single aircraft, no backup when it goes tech, possibly with all that fresh salmon sitting onboard. There's no prior expertise at their home base of 757 ops or tech... Atlantic Airways can't lend them a hand; they operate A320s and Augusta helicopters. Closest 757 expertise would be at KEF or possibly in Scotland (Prestwick? Glasgow? Edinburgh?). They will have to invest millions in a stock of spare parts. And many times, the incoming flight will not be able to land, but be diverted to Norway, Iceland or Scotland (all three producing their own salmon, so maybe just upload it there instead?... ). And they will need a small and therefore vulnerable flight crew. Dispatch department. And so on... Must be incredibly expensive. There's a lots of money in salmon, for sure, but this seems like a risky enterprise to me.

You’re massively overestimating the complexity. Millions in spare parts? Try a service plan with one of the Tech Ops companies.

Small flight departments manage all of what you said, one jet scale make things more costly, but it’s not that complex. It will probably end up flying to BOS or JFK and turn back. Pretty simple operation.

Presumably FI is going to operate and maintain the aircraft. Which might also explain the registration reservation.

I accidentally read the title as "Company Buys 757 to Go Fly Fishing."

Vicenza wrote:

DLASFlyer wrote:

32andBelow wrote:

Who is craving fresh Atlantic salmon? Don’t they have to dye it first to make it look edible

They dye the feed which makes the salmon look more like wild salmon.

No. Atlantic salmon is wild salmon

Over 99% of 'Atlantic Salmon' is farm raised.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/20 ... the%20wild.

Wild salmon is naturally pink/orange (from the salmon eating krill and shrimp). They have to add a compound to the pellets they feed to farm-raised to turn it pink, otherwise it would be light grey.
https://www.foodandwine.com/news/your-s ... rally-pink

"Something fishy in the air".

BealineV953 wrote:

9252fly wrote:

n797mx wrote:

F-ISHY

You were close, all Iceland registered aircraft start with TF-.

https://www.icetra.is/aviation/aircraft/register/

So it appears that it will need to be TF-ISH, which is currently available.

The article suggests that the flights will operate from the Faroe Islands. The Faroe Islands are a Danish protectorate, so if the 757 is locally registered it will be on the Danish OY- register.

So how about OY-VEY ?

jetblueguy22 wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

Rather than the smelly cargo compartment, I'm more worried about the complexity for a fish producing and processing company with a thousand employees (producing fish, mind you, not flying planes) to get its own sophisticated aircraft. And the wisdom thereof. While Bakkafrost certainly aren't idiots, I wonder whether they are aware of the complexities of essentially running a cargo airline. They will have a single aircraft, no backup when it goes tech, possibly with all that fresh salmon sitting onboard. There's no prior expertise at their home base of 757 ops or tech... Atlantic Airways can't lend them a hand; they operate A320s and Augusta helicopters. Closest 757 expertise would be at KEF or possibly in Scotland (Prestwick? Glasgow? Edinburgh?). They will have to invest millions in a stock of spare parts. And many times, the incoming flight will not be able to land, but be diverted to Norway, Iceland or Scotland (all three producing their own salmon, so maybe just upload it there instead?... ). And they will need a small and therefore vulnerable flight crew. Dispatch department. And so on... Must be incredibly expensive. There's a lots of money in salmon, for sure, but this seems like a risky enterprise to me.

You’re massively overestimating the complexity. Millions in spare parts? Try a service plan with one of the Tech Ops companies.

Small flight departments manage all of what you said, one jet scale make things more costly, but it’s not that complex. It will probably end up flying to BOS or JFK and turn back. Pretty simple operation.

Which Tech Ops company do you suggest them to use at Vágar Airport (located by the village of Sørvágur, a village of 900 inhabitants), their home base, if the plane goes tech there?

Small flight departments, sure...at ATL, EWR, LUX, BRU...but check out on a map where we're located in the Faroe Islands.

MalevTU134 wrote:

jetblueguy22 wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

Rather than the smelly cargo compartment, I'm more worried about the complexity for a fish producing and processing company with a thousand employees (producing fish, mind you, not flying planes) to get its own sophisticated aircraft. And the wisdom thereof. While Bakkafrost certainly aren't idiots, I wonder whether they are aware of the complexities of essentially running a cargo airline. They will have a single aircraft, no backup when it goes tech, possibly with all that fresh salmon sitting onboard. There's no prior expertise at their home base of 757 ops or tech... Atlantic Airways can't lend them a hand; they operate A320s and Augusta helicopters. Closest 757 expertise would be at KEF or possibly in Scotland (Prestwick? Glasgow? Edinburgh?). They will have to invest millions in a stock of spare parts. And many times, the incoming flight will not be able to land, but be diverted to Norway, Iceland or Scotland (all three producing their own salmon, so maybe just upload it there instead?... ). And they will need a small and therefore vulnerable flight crew. Dispatch department. And so on... Must be incredibly expensive. There's a lots of money in salmon, for sure, but this seems like a risky enterprise to me.

You’re massively overestimating the complexity. Millions in spare parts? Try a service plan with one of the Tech Ops companies.

Small flight departments manage all of what you said, one jet scale make things more costly, but it’s not that complex. It will probably end up flying to BOS or JFK and turn back. Pretty simple operation.

Which Tech Ops company do you suggest them to use at Vágar Airport (located by the village of Sørvágur, a village of 900 inhabitants), their home base, if the plane goes tech there?

Small flight departments, sure...at ATL, EWR, LUX, BRU...but check out on a map where we're located in the Faroe Islands.

Bakkafrost is probably not going to be flying and maintaining the aircraft itself, all that will almost certainly be contracted out to an actual airline (probably FI). Bakkafrost will just own the aircraft.

Technically the plane going tech at Vagar is no different than if any plane goes tech at a remote out station. The Faroe Islands doesn’t have to be it’s “home base” where scheduled maintenance occurs.

There are plenty of companies who would be delighted to operate this aircraft on a CMI basis, and I suspect that's going to be how it works. No reason to try to set up one's own flight department.
However, there is also the alternative of having the aircraft never carry anything other than the company's own cargo, at which point it could be operated as a private aircraft; in the US, like part 125. There are plenty of operators, from airlines to companies like ATSG to companies like Jet Aviation, who will handle this for you.