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ReverseFlow wrote:Well it seens Icelandair has got some competition for flying fish....
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ampaigners
The Faroese firm Bakkafrost have bought their own 757 to fly their fish to the US.
Has the craze for fresh fish gone a bit far or is it indeed more efficient to do it on your own
Perhaps they took a slice out of Amazon's book of having their own planes!
32andBelow wrote:ReverseFlow wrote:Well it seens Icelandair has got some competition for flying fish....
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ampaigners
The Faroese firm Bakkafrost have bought their own 757 to fly their fish to the US.
Has the craze for fresh fish gone a bit far or is it indeed more efficient to do it on your own
Perhaps they took a slice out of Amazon's book of having their own planes!
Who is craving fresh Atlantic salmon? Don’t they have to dye it first to make it look edible
Boeing757100 wrote:What is the registration of the frame will they be using/converting to the flying fridge?
n797mx wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:What is the registration of the frame will they be using/converting to the flying fridge?
F-ISHY
32andBelow wrote:Who is craving fresh Atlantic salmon? Don’t they have to dye it first to make it look edible
9252fly wrote:So it appears that it will need to be TF-ISH, which is currently available.
JannEejit wrote:By "fresh" I presume they mean fresher than they would be, going via a flight to Heathrow, and are not expecting the salmon to leap direct from the water onto the adjacently parked 757 ?
Dominion301 wrote:Hope they name airline Salmon Fifty Salmon.
DLASFlyer wrote:32andBelow wrote:ReverseFlow wrote:Well it seens Icelandair has got some competition for flying fish....
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ampaigners
The Faroese firm Bakkafrost have bought their own 757 to fly their fish to the US.
Has the craze for fresh fish gone a bit far or is it indeed more efficient to do it on your own
Perhaps they took a slice out of Amazon's book of having their own planes!
Who is craving fresh Atlantic salmon? Don’t they have to dye it first to make it look edible
They dye the feed which makes the salmon look more like wild salmon.
9252fly wrote:n797mx wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:What is the registration of the frame will they be using/converting to the flying fridge?
F-ISHY
You were close, all Iceland registered aircraft start with TF-.
https://www.icetra.is/aviation/aircraft/register/
So it appears that it will need to be TF-ISH, which is currently available.
DLASFlyer wrote:32andBelow wrote:ReverseFlow wrote:Well it seens Icelandair has got some competition for flying fish....
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ampaigners
The Faroese firm Bakkafrost have bought their own 757 to fly their fish to the US.
Has the craze for fresh fish gone a bit far or is it indeed more efficient to do it on your own
Perhaps they took a slice out of Amazon's book of having their own planes!
Who is craving fresh Atlantic salmon? Don’t they have to dye it first to make it look edible
They dye the feed which makes the salmon look more like wild salmon.
9252fly wrote:n797mx wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:What is the registration of the frame will they be using/converting to the flying fridge?
F-ISHY
You were close, all Iceland registered aircraft start with TF-.
https://www.icetra.is/aviation/aircraft/register/
So it appears that it will need to be TF-ISH, which is currently available.
9252fly wrote:n797mx wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:What is the registration of the frame will they be using/converting to the flying fridge?
F-ISHY
You were close, all Iceland registered aircraft start with TF-.
https://www.icetra.is/aviation/aircraft/register/
So it appears that it will need to be TF-ISH, which is currently available.
BealineV953 wrote:9252fly wrote:n797mx wrote:F-ISHY
You were close, all Iceland registered aircraft start with TF-.
https://www.icetra.is/aviation/aircraft/register/
So it appears that it will need to be TF-ISH, which is currently available.
The article suggests that the flights will operate from the Faroe Islands. The Faroe Islands are a Danish protectorate, so if the 757 is locally registered it will be on the Danish OY- register.
russyyz wrote:Interesting use of a 757. I guess the runway at Vagar can handle a fully-loaded 757 taking off for North America? Also, what will the aircraft carry on the return leg? Isn't it hard to carry dry goods in a fishy compartment?
russyyz wrote:Interesting use of a 757. I guess the runway at Vagar can handle a fully-loaded 757 taking off for North America? Also, what will the aircraft carry on the return leg? Isn't it hard to carry dry goods in a fishy compartment?
MalevTU134 wrote:BealineV953 wrote:9252fly wrote:
You were close, all Iceland registered aircraft start with TF-.
https://www.icetra.is/aviation/aircraft/register/
So it appears that it will need to be TF-ISH, which is currently available.
The article suggests that the flights will operate from the Faroe Islands. The Faroe Islands are a Danish protectorate, so if the 757 is locally registered it will be on the Danish OY- register.
Correct, except for the protectorate part. I'm not touchy about it, but many people here wouldn't like that term. We are a country within the Realm of the Kingdom of Denmark (which is made up of 3 countries: Denmark, the Faroe Islands and Greenland). While we do send 2 representatives to the Folketinget (the Danish Parliament), Danish law doesn't apply here. We have our own Parliament, called Løgtingið, that has its full autonomy to legislate our own laws. Denmark is responsible for our defence and foreign policy, that's all. Oh, and our police wear Danish police uniforms. So, Danish police, but policing according to Faroese laws.
questions wrote:What makes the 757 a better aircraft for flying fish than other aircraft?
9252fly wrote:MalevTU134 wrote:BealineV953 wrote:
The article suggests that the flights will operate from the Faroe Islands. The Faroe Islands are a Danish protectorate, so if the 757 is locally registered it will be on the Danish OY- register.
Correct, except for the protectorate part. I'm not touchy about it, but many people here wouldn't like that term. We are a country within the Realm of the Kingdom of Denmark (which is made up of 3 countries: Denmark, the Faroe Islands and Greenland). While we do send 2 representatives to the Folketinget (the Danish Parliament), Danish law doesn't apply here. We have our own Parliament, called Løgtingið, that has its full autonomy to legislate our own laws. Denmark is responsible for our defence and foreign policy, that's all. Oh, and our police wear Danish police uniforms. So, Danish police, but policing according to Faroese laws.
My mistake, no disrespect to the people of the Faroe Islands. I had my mind fixated on all humorous Icelandair B757 fish threads over the years. I was aware of the Faroe Islands, just didn't click in my head. Thanks for the informative post.
MalevTU134 wrote:9252fly wrote:MalevTU134 wrote:Correct, except for the protectorate part. I'm not touchy about it, but many people here wouldn't like that term. We are a country within the Realm of the Kingdom of Denmark (which is made up of 3 countries: Denmark, the Faroe Islands and Greenland). While we do send 2 representatives to the Folketinget (the Danish Parliament), Danish law doesn't apply here. We have our own Parliament, called Løgtingið, that has its full autonomy to legislate our own laws. Denmark is responsible for our defence and foreign policy, that's all. Oh, and our police wear Danish police uniforms. So, Danish police, but policing according to Faroese laws.
When we travel, most people never heard of where we're from. We actually even hear quite often, when we say we're from the Faroes, "from the Pharaohs??...but you don't look Arab"...said with a bewildered face.
Kilopond wrote:If they really start this totally ridiculous 757 fish business I am sure it will just be a red herring. Things like contraband trasprotation and money laundrey might be their true core businesses.
MalevTU134 wrote:There's a lots of money in salmon, for sure, but this seems like a risky enterprise to me.
Dominion301 wrote:Hope they name airline Salmon Fifty Salmon.
icelandair75w wrote:TF-ISH is reserved, coming Fall 2022
32andBelow wrote:Who is craving fresh Atlantic salmon?
Bakkafrost’s 757 is being converted into a flying fridge capable of carrying 35 tonnes of fresh salmon, chilled to zero degrees, from the Faroe Isles, an archipelago midway between Scotland and Iceland, direct to an airport in New Jersey.
MalevTU134 wrote:[...]Naaaah....if they take any more cargo - contraband or not - , the salmon will be packed like sardines. [...]
raylee67 wrote:From the article:Bakkafrost’s 757 is being converted into a flying fridge capable of carrying 35 tonnes of fresh salmon, chilled to zero degrees, from the Faroe Isles, an archipelago midway between Scotland and Iceland, direct to an airport in New Jersey.
Can 757 take off from Vagar Airport? The runway is only 1800m long. Wouldn't a 737 be more appropriate?
Kilopond wrote:MalevTU134 wrote:[...]Naaaah....if they take any more cargo - contraband or not - , the salmon will be packed like sardines. [...]
Think about bi-directional operations.
n797mx wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:What is the registration of the frame will they be using/converting to the flying fridge?
F-ISHY
MalevTU134 wrote:Rather than the smelly cargo compartment, I'm more worried about the complexity for a fish producing and processing company with a thousand employees (producing fish, mind you, not flying planes) to get its own sophisticated aircraft. And the wisdom thereof. While Bakkafrost certainly aren't idiots, I wonder whether they are aware of the complexities of essentially running a cargo airline. They will have a single aircraft, no backup when it goes tech, possibly with all that fresh salmon sitting onboard. There's no prior expertise at their home base of 757 ops or tech... Atlantic Airways can't lend them a hand; they operate A320s and Augusta helicopters. Closest 757 expertise would be at KEF or possibly in Scotland (Prestwick? Glasgow? Edinburgh?). They will have to invest millions in a stock of spare parts. And many times, the incoming flight will not be able to land, but be diverted to Norway, Iceland or Scotland (all three producing their own salmon, so maybe just upload it there instead?... ). And they will need a small and therefore vulnerable flight crew. Dispatch department. And so on... Must be incredibly expensive. There's a lots of money in salmon, for sure, but this seems like a risky enterprise to me.
jetblueguy22 wrote:MalevTU134 wrote:Rather than the smelly cargo compartment, I'm more worried about the complexity for a fish producing and processing company with a thousand employees (producing fish, mind you, not flying planes) to get its own sophisticated aircraft. And the wisdom thereof. While Bakkafrost certainly aren't idiots, I wonder whether they are aware of the complexities of essentially running a cargo airline. They will have a single aircraft, no backup when it goes tech, possibly with all that fresh salmon sitting onboard. There's no prior expertise at their home base of 757 ops or tech... Atlantic Airways can't lend them a hand; they operate A320s and Augusta helicopters. Closest 757 expertise would be at KEF or possibly in Scotland (Prestwick? Glasgow? Edinburgh?). They will have to invest millions in a stock of spare parts. And many times, the incoming flight will not be able to land, but be diverted to Norway, Iceland or Scotland (all three producing their own salmon, so maybe just upload it there instead?... ). And they will need a small and therefore vulnerable flight crew. Dispatch department. And so on... Must be incredibly expensive. There's a lots of money in salmon, for sure, but this seems like a risky enterprise to me.
You’re massively overestimating the complexity. Millions in spare parts? Try a service plan with one of the Tech Ops companies.
Small flight departments manage all of what you said, one jet scale make things more costly, but it’s not that complex. It will probably end up flying to BOS or JFK and turn back. Pretty simple operation.
Vicenza wrote:DLASFlyer wrote:32andBelow wrote:Who is craving fresh Atlantic salmon? Don’t they have to dye it first to make it look edible
They dye the feed which makes the salmon look more like wild salmon.
No. Atlantic salmon is wild salmon
BealineV953 wrote:9252fly wrote:n797mx wrote:F-ISHY
You were close, all Iceland registered aircraft start with TF-.
https://www.icetra.is/aviation/aircraft/register/
So it appears that it will need to be TF-ISH, which is currently available.
The article suggests that the flights will operate from the Faroe Islands. The Faroe Islands are a Danish protectorate, so if the 757 is locally registered it will be on the Danish OY- register.
jetblueguy22 wrote:MalevTU134 wrote:Rather than the smelly cargo compartment, I'm more worried about the complexity for a fish producing and processing company with a thousand employees (producing fish, mind you, not flying planes) to get its own sophisticated aircraft. And the wisdom thereof. While Bakkafrost certainly aren't idiots, I wonder whether they are aware of the complexities of essentially running a cargo airline. They will have a single aircraft, no backup when it goes tech, possibly with all that fresh salmon sitting onboard. There's no prior expertise at their home base of 757 ops or tech... Atlantic Airways can't lend them a hand; they operate A320s and Augusta helicopters. Closest 757 expertise would be at KEF or possibly in Scotland (Prestwick? Glasgow? Edinburgh?). They will have to invest millions in a stock of spare parts. And many times, the incoming flight will not be able to land, but be diverted to Norway, Iceland or Scotland (all three producing their own salmon, so maybe just upload it there instead?... ). And they will need a small and therefore vulnerable flight crew. Dispatch department. And so on... Must be incredibly expensive. There's a lots of money in salmon, for sure, but this seems like a risky enterprise to me.
You’re massively overestimating the complexity. Millions in spare parts? Try a service plan with one of the Tech Ops companies.
Small flight departments manage all of what you said, one jet scale make things more costly, but it’s not that complex. It will probably end up flying to BOS or JFK and turn back. Pretty simple operation.
MalevTU134 wrote:jetblueguy22 wrote:MalevTU134 wrote:Rather than the smelly cargo compartment, I'm more worried about the complexity for a fish producing and processing company with a thousand employees (producing fish, mind you, not flying planes) to get its own sophisticated aircraft. And the wisdom thereof. While Bakkafrost certainly aren't idiots, I wonder whether they are aware of the complexities of essentially running a cargo airline. They will have a single aircraft, no backup when it goes tech, possibly with all that fresh salmon sitting onboard. There's no prior expertise at their home base of 757 ops or tech... Atlantic Airways can't lend them a hand; they operate A320s and Augusta helicopters. Closest 757 expertise would be at KEF or possibly in Scotland (Prestwick? Glasgow? Edinburgh?). They will have to invest millions in a stock of spare parts. And many times, the incoming flight will not be able to land, but be diverted to Norway, Iceland or Scotland (all three producing their own salmon, so maybe just upload it there instead?... ). And they will need a small and therefore vulnerable flight crew. Dispatch department. And so on... Must be incredibly expensive. There's a lots of money in salmon, for sure, but this seems like a risky enterprise to me.
You’re massively overestimating the complexity. Millions in spare parts? Try a service plan with one of the Tech Ops companies.
Small flight departments manage all of what you said, one jet scale make things more costly, but it’s not that complex. It will probably end up flying to BOS or JFK and turn back. Pretty simple operation.
Which Tech Ops company do you suggest them to use at Vágar Airport (located by the village of Sørvágur, a village of 900 inhabitants), their home base, if the plane goes tech there?
Small flight departments, sure...at ATL, EWR, LUX, BRU...but check out on a map where we're located in the Faroe Islands.