Confirmed: RED Air MD-80 accident in MIA

AA321T · Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:08 pm

My friend is on the tarmac in Miami reporting that a RED Air MD80 crashed at MIA and is on fire with passengers evacuating. Anyone have any insight?

ACDC8 · Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:12 pm

AA321T wrote:
My friend is on the tarmac in Miami reporting that a RED Air MD80 crashed at MIA and is on fire with passengers evacuating. Anyone have any insight?

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2022 ... l-airport/

D L X · Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:15 pm

Sounds like everyone is okay.

Not a good look for your brand new airline!

PI4EVR · Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:17 pm

Live webcam at: www.PTZtv.com

DCA350 · Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:27 pm

Thank goodness everybody made it out.. Sounds like an emergency landing and then the plane caught on fire..

FLALEFTY · Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:29 pm

Here's a link to live coverage: https://www.miamiairportcam.com

Not sure if he was landing on Runway 9, or 12

It was this flight:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/REA ... /MDSD/KMIA

smokeybandit · Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:33 pm

Reportedly had a landing gear collapse.

WkndWanderer · Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:35 pm

smokeybandit wrote:
Reportedly had a landing gear collapse.

Looks like there’s some antenna wrapped around the wing.

September11 · Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:40 pm

ex-AA MD-80

braniff2hav · Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:52 pm

Kudos to the crew for a safe and successful evacuation! So sad to see the MD80 splayed out like that.

Aeroflot001 · Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:15 pm

Video from the ramp of the end of the crash and evacuation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ibs7nJU80M

trnswrld · Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:35 pm

Wow that was a pretty rough ride at the end there. Glad everyone is ok. At the start of the video it does appear the left wing is already fairly low or on the ground.

notaxonrotax · Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:49 pm

- That buffs right off!
- Is it a write out?

No Tax On Rotax

Wingtips56 · Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:55 pm

CNN reports collapsed landing gear. 126 onboard. 3 to hospital.

Cardude2 · Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:55 pm

https://www.google.com/search?q=RED+Air ... e&ie=UTF-8

hah now it's on their yelp/google review page

Wingtips56 · Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:58 pm

I wonder why it took so long to open the L1 door.

edu2703 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:03 am

Significant fire on the right wing. Definitely a writte off.

https://twitter.com/livingbyyyz/status/ ... 4016396288

AFineUsername · Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:29 am

notaxonrotax wrote:
- That buffs right off!
- Is it a write out?

No Tax On Rotax

The correct question depends on the amount of speed tape your currently have in stock.

But otherwise, glad everyone got out OK. Without seeing the actual landing, hard to decipher what happened, but that looked rough. The weather isn't bad either:

KMIA 212353Z 03008KT 10SM FEW030 SCT250 28/21 A3007 RMK AO2 SLP183 T02780211 10306 20278 58004 $

8 knots of wind, good viz? Who want's to take bets they either planted it too hard for some reason or another, or they landed short and hit something?

SuperGee · Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:41 am

Aeroflot001 wrote:
Video from the ramp of the end of the crash and evacuation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ibs7nJU80M

I'm trying to figure out the sequence of events here. I could be wrong but it looks to me as if the right main went down first (starting the fire), then the left main went down. Looks as if the nose gear went down last.

I wonder if he had gear down and locked indicators for each and thought everything was normal or if he knew something was wrong and there was trouble ahead. I tend to think he wasn't aware of any problems or they would have had the fire trucks close to the runway in preparation for exactly this happening.

AtomicGarden · Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:50 am

Gotta love those pax exiting the aircraft with their luggage... there was an accident, I think SU? where reportedly some pax with their carry ons prevented many people from evacuating on time

RL757PVD · Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:52 am

The ILS antenna for what appears to be Runway 30 is whats wrapped around the right wing. If it was the ILS for Runway 27 that would have been more problematic for the airport going into the summer months. Its hard to tell by re rewatching the video of thats what sparked the initial fire or not.

FLALEFTY · Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:59 am

SuperGee wrote:
Aeroflot001 wrote:
Video from the ramp of the end of the crash and evacuation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ibs7nJU80M

I'm trying to figure out the sequence of events here. I could be wrong but it looks to me as if the right main went down first (starting the fire), then the left main went down. Looks as if the nose gear went down last.

I wonder if he had gear down and locked indicators for each and thought everything was normal or if he knew something was wrong and there was trouble ahead. I tend to think he wasn't aware of any problems or they would have had the fire trucks close to the runway in preparation for exactly this happening.

It also could have been a really hard landing that collapsed the mains. I've watched these Red Air pilots landing at MIA before and they really tend to come in hot, flare late and smack it down. This was a 31+-year old ex-AA bird that spent several years with Venezuela's LASER Airlines before recently being taken over by Red Air. I imagine shortages due to US sanctions of Venezuela kept this plane from getting decent quality parts for its last heavy check.

Wacker1000 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:02 am

notaxonrotax wrote:
- That buffs right off!
- Is it a write out?

No Tax On Rotax

If you sneeze on an MD-80 it would be enough to write it off!

N47 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:18 am

It looks like it took out the RWY 30 GS (tower and shelter). You can see in the video behind the left wing a GS antenna. It could be that the wing struck the tower and caught fire.

alberchico · Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:32 am

https://mobile.twitter.com/OnDisasters/ ... 29/photo/2

Looks like a total write off.

reltney · Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:37 am

With 9000hrs flying the plane and seeing the video….I would guess. 1. Hard landing collapsed the left main gear which caused it to depart the runway. 2. Lost control for some reason and went off the runway. 3. No clue…let’s wait for the accident investigators to figure it out.. I like choice #3.

mordann · Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:39 am

Looks like the left main collapsed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dE8c2j ... nnel=PTZtv

kraz911 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:58 am

Hello all,
Looking at the ramp video right before the plane stopped moving, the left main gear was gone evidenced by the left wing leaning to the left. Then the right main gear collapsed plopping the plane to the ground. A small flash fire started followed by the larger fire under the right wing.
I'm glad everyone got out but did they have to evacuate with their carry ons and whip out their phones to video everything? One day someone will get hurt or killed because someone evacuated a crashed, burning plane with their carry ons...

questions · Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:31 am

What is a typical settlement passengers might receive from the airline in an accident like this?

ABpositive · Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:37 am

DCA350 wrote:
Thank goodness everybody made it out.. Sounds like an emergency landing and then the plane caught on fire..

Did pilots declare an emergency? I noticed that emergency vehicles weren't waiting at the end of the runaway.

Wingtips56 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:45 am

.... which means they were not expecting a problem.

Sopwith · Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:00 am

Passengers escaping with luggage should be banned for life from flying any airline and fined at least $25000.00.

TWA772LR · Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:08 am

alberchico wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/OnDisasters/status/1539385489047838729/photo/2

Looks like a total write off.

It's an MD-80. All that will definitely buff out.

ScottB · Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:09 am

questions wrote:
What is a typical settlement passengers might receive from the airline in an accident like this?

Typically it will be governed by the Montreal Convention. The airline is liable for up to a maximum of about $175K for "bodily injury" if they weren't negligent, but things like pain and suffering aren't covered. The Montreal Convention will also determine what one could expect for lost luggage.

If this airline is as shady as some folks seem to think, then the passengers might be lucky to get anything in compensation.

AR385 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:33 am

The thrust reversers´ position is interesting. Seems the plane pancaked before they were able to extend completely. So I suppose they had no braking action other than friction.

lx2iah · Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:39 am

Aeroflot001 wrote:
Video from the ramp of the end of the crash and evacuation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ibs7nJU80M

I’ve watched this video several times. 1 minute 45 seconds before the L1 door was opened and the slide was activated.

This seems like WAY TOO MUCH TIME was wasted to get the passengers seated in the front of that plane out of a potential very bad situation…

holczakker · Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:58 am

lx2iah wrote:
Aeroflot001 wrote:
Video from the ramp of the end of the crash and evacuation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ibs7nJU80M

I’ve watched this video several times. 1 minute 45 seconds before the L1 door was opened and the slide was activated.

This seems like WAY TOO MUCH TIME was wasted to get the passengers seated in the front of that plane out of a potential very bad situation…

Mainly if their stupido fellow passengers were leaving throught the overwing exits with baggage. The one walking away with two rolling luggage is the worst example.

https://twitter.com/_D_190/status/15393 ... loteren%2F

bennett123 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:41 am

Perhaps the Airport Fire Department can find a use for it.

Fixinthe757 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:29 am

Im more surprised there isnt a single picture of it on the home page! Usually every box is a picture of the involved plane!

toneale · Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:55 am

What is a typical settlement passengers might receive from the airline in an accident like this?

There is no such thing, not in aviation accidents. Because there were no deaths, amounts will be quite small.

Now I have to ask - why are you asking? The fire was probably still smoldering when you posed the question.

Swiss03 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:47 am

What has happened to passengers, absolutely despicable behaviour displayed by those aboard, LEAVE EVERYTHING ON BOARD is an unambiguous instruction and it takes the mind of an idiot not to understand that.
if it was up to me every single one of these idiots would be taking a trip to Moscow and paying their respects to the 41 people who died due to this exact selfish behaviour.
it cannot be acceptable to get away with this and these people need to be barred from ever so much as setting foot at an airport ever again.

if I myself as a FA ever did anything even close to this during an evacuation, I would never be employable again, and yet the pax who do this get let off.

miami123 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:35 pm

What's strange is that my flight landed about 15 minutes later at MIA and nothing looked unusual other than we landed on one of the northern runways and usually in afternoon and evenings arrivals land on one of the 2 southern runways.

PSAatSAN4Ever · Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:43 pm

According to aviation-safety.net, this aircraft (whatever its current registration is) began life as N16545 with American Airlines.

For me, at least, this was my last-ever MD80 flight of any kind, in September, 2010, flying it DFW-SAN. According to my notes, it was an equipment substitution after a three-hour delay.

ltbewr · Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:06 pm

Sadly this crash will likely shut down this still new airline. It was created in partnership with a Venezuelan airline to offer cheaper flights and for the DR to recover from the loss of tourism from the Covid-19 Pandemic.They had plans to expand this year to several cities in parts of South, Central American and USA, looks like they are destroyed like this aircraft was, but was also facing other LCC's based in the DR and elsewhere in the region. https://onemileatatime.com/news/red-air-miami-airport/.

washingtonflyer · Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:32 pm

About 1:58 from "landing" to first ARFF on site applying foam / water. Pretty fast. Less than a minute for the first airport vehicle to arrive. Excellent work by MIA airport ground and rescue staff getting to this one pronto.

AirWorthy99 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:47 pm

ltbewr wrote:
Sadly this crash will likely shut down this still new airline. It was created in partnership with a Venezuelan airline to offer cheaper flights and for the DR to recover from the loss of tourism from the Covid-19 Pandemic.They had plans to expand this year to several cities in parts of South, Central American and USA, looks like they are destroyed like this aircraft was, but was also facing other LCC's based in the DR and elsewhere in the region. https://onemileatatime.com/news/red-air-miami-airport/.

Actually no, its a charter operation to run passengers flying LASER from CCS to MIA via SDQ, and since sanctions don't allow for flights between the US and Venezuela, they would hop on Red Air from SDQ to MIA as a charter flight.

There is already plenty of airlines and flights offering flights to DR, and this operation was never meant to actually help anything other than to avoid the sanctions and profit as a result of the sanctions flying passengers to the US from Venezuela and return.

washingtonflyer · Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:56 pm

Lots of liveatc recordings:

2022-06-21 MIA ground at 2230z - start listening at 09:00
2022-06-21 MIA south tower at 2230z - start listening at 10:00 (oopsie to the captain that broadcast his cabin announcement on the tower frequency).
2022-06-21 MIA south approach at 2230z - start listening at the start where you can hear L5-203 (landing cancellations starting at 08:30)

Clydenairways · Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:14 pm

Sopwith wrote:
Passengers escaping with luggage should be banned for life from flying any airline and fined at least $25000.00.

Good luck trying that idea !

ajsljet45 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:44 pm

Here is some video from inside the plane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8vl-xdeB1U

kraz911 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:07 pm

Hello all,
Watching all of the videos, I must credit the MIA ARFF teams. They had one truck at the aircraft super quick before the fire really got going with the other units following soon there after. Yes I'm a fan of ARRF teams and they train constantly for events like this but these crews yesterday made a bad situation from getting worse...

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