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Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:53 am

Greeting Turkish Aviation fans,



a strange look to say the least :)

-YOTEL at IST is going to have an expansion, I am not sure about the details
-TK extended leases on its 5 ex Skymark A330-300 (TC-LOA/B/C/D/F) for further 6-years and most of its 330 fleet is not in operation.

It might seem redundant to see the fleet changes on this thread, but IMHO it is nice to keep everything under one roof. Sure enough, there will be less additions on slower months.

Please continue here and you could find last months thread below:
Turkish Aviation June 2022
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:08 am

As always, thank you TK787 for the new thread. I also think that it's the best to keep everything in one thread
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:36 am

TK787 wrote:

a strange look to say the least :)



I presume to be repainted asap ?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:58 am

TURKISH AIRLINES
At the same time 3 A350 had their Customer Acceptance Flight
TC–LGG Airbus A350–941 msn 565 ex F–WZEL on 30/06/2022 Customer Acceptance Flight
TC–LGK Airbus A350–941 msn 471 ex F–WZGB on 29/06/2022 Customer Acceptance Flight
TC–LGI Airbus A350–941 msn 457 ex F–WZNJ on 29/06/2022 Delivered on Contract

The TC-LAF was also handed over to TK, which is currently transferring it to Istanbul (IST), usually painted white. She will be preparing like the other 5 737 MAX for AnadluJet in the next few days.
TC–LAF Boeing 737–8 MAX msn/ln 65741/8282 dd 29/06/2022
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/tc-laf
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:47 pm

To reply to Stylo777 from the previous thread. Air Serbia could also be the cheapest right now because these flights were added into the system about a day ago. I suppose sales still didn't start so lowest fares are still available.
Air Serbia is not know to dump fares so I expect them to hike prices as demand picks up, well the system to hike them that is.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:52 pm

Interesting read in todays Flight Global :


Turkish Airlines fast-tracks return to growth path

https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/t ... 02.article
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:55 pm

TK787 wrote:
Greeting Turkish Aviation fans,



a strange look to say the least :)


Strange, I was expecting to see Türk Hava Yolları titles... :duck:
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:06 am

Pegasus orders 8 x A321Neos to join the fleet in 2025. (from airporthaber.com)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:09 pm

Will those SU-ntu A359s be repainted?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:28 pm

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Pegasus orders 8 x A321Neos to join the fleet in 2025. (from airporthaber.com)

Just came back from an Airbus factory visit in HAM and I was pleasantly suprised about the amount of partly and almost fully assembled 320/321neos as well as totally ready aircraft awaiting delivery to TK and PC. Really nice to see!
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:40 am

I flew back from AYT on Friday and it was a very busy day. I just saw the post of LAXintl in the last thread, for Saturday 1003 flights. Wow. Amazing traffic.

Btw at AYT I saw a Pegasus Boeing is being painted into Sunexpress livery. I couldn't catch the registration, but maybe TC-SPL? Does anybody know the Pegasus registration?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:05 pm

TK is reactivating another one of the former TAM frames. TC-LOH was just flown ISL IST. That leaves just one widebody (TC-JIT) stored. Those A359s and B789s can't seem to come fast enough.

On a separate note, I feel the B77W fleet is very optimistically scheduled. While the longhaul component of the flight program seems realistic, the many short domestic and regional turns induce plenty of delays, because there is very little room for irregularities. As a matter of fact, the aircraft often have more down time at some of the outstations than at IST. Some of the Asian departures at 2 am are often delayed until an aircraft becomes available from an overnight arrival. The TK070 to HKG, TK024 to TPE, TK164 to HAN and TK090 to ICN are some of the ones that get often delayed.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:39 am

HB-IWC wrote:

On a separate note, I feel the B77W fleet is very optimistically scheduled.


I remember you mention similar things many years back about the 77W fleet, 17+ block hours if I remember correctly. I even started then, to figure out how long they operate them daily :) At the time, they had a 340 body as a back up :)
 
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Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:38 am

HB-IWC wrote:
On a separate note, I feel the B77W fleet is very optimistically scheduled. While the longhaul component of the flight program seems realistic, the many short domestic and regional turns induce plenty of delays, because there is very little room for irregularities. As a matter of fact, the aircraft often have more down time at some of the outstations than at IST. Some of the Asian departures at 2 am are often delayed until an aircraft becomes available from an overnight arrival. The TK070 to HKG, TK024 to TPE, TK164 to HAN and TK090 to ICN are some of the ones that get often delayed.

In general, I agree with your statement; schedules of the 77Ws are quite tight. On the other hand, I also believe that they need the capacity at certain times and certain destinations. On my recent 77W operated domestic flights (ADB and TZX), all segments were almost completely full and I would say at least 75-80% of the people were connecting passengers. They also need that feed for their entire hub system - and not only for the passengers, but also cargo.

We could start arguing now whether it might be better to deploy back-to-back 2x A321's instead. Well... I prefer to leave it here and welcome the longhaul business class even if it's a short hop across the country. ;)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:47 am

On another note I realised that PC started ops to the new Rize/Artvin Airport (RZV) a few days ago... https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/pc2652
Happy to see that they get their foot in the door with a daily flight among 7 other TK ones from/to this hyper significant airport :roll:
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:01 am

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In general, I agree with your statement; schedules of the 77Ws are quite tight. On the other hand, I also believe that they need the capacity at certain times and certain destinations. On my recent 77W operated domestic flights (ADB and TZX), all segments were almost completely full and I would say at least 75-80% of the people were connecting passengers. They also need that feed for their entire hub system - and not only for the passengers, but also cargo.

We could start arguing now whether it might be better to deploy back-to-back 2x A321's instead. Well... I prefer to leave it here and welcome the longhaul business class even if it's a short hop across the country. ;)


I hear you, but as we speak the TK056 to Jakarta is 2 hours behind schedule (because the Tel Aviv flight came back late), the TK054 to Singapore almost 3 hours late (because the aircraft was late from Bodrum), and the TK070 to Hongkong left IST 5 hours late (because there was no aircraft even available and they took the first one in from its overnight Asia trip), and this is not an isolated case but rather a daily occurrence. TK seems to proactively count on the ground times in Asia to plan domestic and regional roundtrips that actually do not fit in the schedule. I see no problem with heavy utilization of 16+ hours a day, but the short cycles in between longhaul sectors are currently (also because of the situation in certain European airports) even more delay-sensitive than they usually are.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:14 am

I've been looking at air fares to Turkey for this summer. I understand everything is getting more expensive, but tickets to Turkey are going for silly money. A round trip between London and Istanbul in August costs upwards of £1200 no matter what airline you fly. For comparison, I was able to find tickets for under £300 from London to most other cities in Europe.

What is going on? Is there really that much demand for Turkey that airlines can charge anything they want? or are there other reasons such as currency exchange rates
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:32 pm

767Forever wrote:
I've been looking at air fares to Turkey for this summer. I understand everything is getting more expensive, but tickets to Turkey are going for silly money. A round trip between London and Istanbul in August costs upwards of £1200 no matter what airline you fly. For comparison, I was able to find tickets for under £300 from London to most other cities in Europe.

What is going on? Is there really that much demand for Turkey that airlines can charge anything they want? or are there other reasons such as currency exchange rates


Thanks to its relatively low operating costs TK has managed to push most of their competitors out of the IST market. Even before the pandemic, most European and North American legacy airlines stopped flying to IST. UA, DL and AC all stopped flying to IST while TK increased frequencies to North America. AF, KL, BA, LH all reduced flights and AZ, IB, LX, OS cancelled their routes altogether.

Just like anywhere else nowadays the demand for air travel has surpassed the supply. So due to their monopoly and high demand TK can get away with charging exorbitant prices for the O&D passengers. The remaining competitors have very few flights/seats so TK practically sets the market price on most routes.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:13 am

Turkish Airlines plans to increase Istanbul-Bali frequency from three to five times weekly, effective 16-Dec-2022 to 19-Jan-2023, as per link https://centreforaviation.com/news/turk ... 22-1146553
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:02 am

Some changes in TK network for the upcoming winter season. I am surprised about some US reductions especially to Chicago.

Istanbul – Abidjan – Cotonou – Istanbul 2 weekly TK561 removed (TK continues to operate 5 weekly flights in opposite direction with 737 MAX 8)
Istanbul – Bangkok Reduce from 3 to 2 daily, A330-300
Istanbul – Bogota – Panama City – Istanbul eff 30OCT22 777-300ER replaces 787-9, 1 daily (Daily 777-300ER previously scheduled from 26MAR23)
Istanbul – Boston eff 02DEC22 2 of 6 weekly A350-900XWB replaces A330-300 (A350 also scheduled on 31OCT22)
Istanbul – Cape Town A350-900XWB replaces A330-300, 1 daily
Istanbul – Casablanca 2 of 7 weekly 787-9 replaces 777-300ER (3 of 7 weekly from 01DEC22)
Istanbul – Chicago O’Hare Service operates 10 weekly instead of 12: 30OCT22 – 02DEC22, 01FEB23 – 03MAR23
Istanbul – Dallas/Ft. Worth Increase from 4 to 5 weekly, 787-9. Service further increases to 7 from 03DEC22(Except 04FEB23 – 04MAR23)
Istanbul – Denpasar 16DEC22 – 19JAN23 Increase from 3 to 5 weekly, 787-9
Istanbul – Ho Chi Minh City 787-9 replaces A330-300 during following period, 4 weekly: 31OCT22 – 28NOV22, 03FEB23 – 27FEB23
Istanbul – Houston Service operates 5 weekly instead of 7: 30OCT22 – 30NOV22, 02FEB23 – 01MAR23. 777-300ER operating
Istanbul – Hurghada 10 weekly service maintained, instead of previously filed 7
Istanbul – Kabul A330-200 replaces -300, 1 daily
Istanbul – Johannesburg 4 weekly terminator service in Nov 2022 operates with A330-300/A350-900XWB, A350-900XWB-only from 04DEC22
Istanbul – Johannesburg – Maputo A350-900XWB service maintained, 1 weekly
Istanbul – Lagos 4 of 7 weekly A330-200 replaces A330-300
Istanbul – Los Angeles 777-300ER operates 11 weekly, instead of 777-300ER/787-9
Istanbul – Mexico City – Cancun – Istanbul Increase from 7 to 11 weekly
TK181 IST0215 – 0810MEX0950 – 1305CUN1445 – 1035+1IST 77W 146
TK184 IST0215 – 0810MEX0950 – 1305CUN1445 – 1035+1IST 77W 357
TK182 IST0215 – 0810MEX0950 – 1305CUN1445 – 1035+1IST 77W 2
TK189 IST2120 – 0315+1MEX0455+1 – 0810+1CUN0950+1 – 0540+2IST 789 357
TK190 IST2120 – 0315+1MEX0455+1 – 0810+1CUN0950+1 – 0540+2IST 789 1

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220705-tknw22inc
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:46 am

Blerg wrote:
Some changes in TK network for the upcoming winter season. I am surprised about some US reductions especially to Chicago.

Istanbul – Mexico City – Cancun – Istanbul Increase from 7 to 11 weekly

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220705-tknw22inc


The "mystery" of MEX' (and CUNs) success still continues :)

Also, regarding US reductions, I think the only reason for that is the widebody aircraft shortage. Especially with the long flights like MEX/CUN or BOG/PTY being bumped up to the 77W
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:46 pm

emre787 wrote:
Istanbul – Mexico City – Cancun – Istanbul Increase from 7 to 11 weekly

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220705-tknw22inc

The "mystery" of MEX' (and CUNs) success still continues :)


Need to take a close look at the individual load factors for IST-MEX vs. MEX-CUN-IST flights, in both classes.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:49 pm

emre787 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Some changes in TK network for the upcoming winter season. I am surprised about some US reductions especially to Chicago.

Istanbul – Mexico City – Cancun – Istanbul Increase from 7 to 11 weekly

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220705-tknw22inc


The "mystery" of MEX' (and CUNs) success still continues :)

Also, regarding US reductions, I think the only reason for that is the widebody aircraft shortage. Especially with the long flights like MEX/CUN or BOG/PTY being bumped up to the 77W


Massive issues with the MEX route. Many Turkish citizens travel north to the USA border to claim asylum. More than 11 thousand people in the first quarter of this year alone. Continues to be a problem between Turkish and Mexican authorities, many travellers are not allowed into MEX are sent back.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:47 pm

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Many Turkish citizens travel north to the USA border to claim asylum.

Wow, never heard about this issue before. They must be very desperate to fly all the way to MEX.
I imagine Mexico to start requiring Visas for Turkish citizens if this continues.
 
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Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:56 pm

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aldrigsomandre wrote:
Many Turkish citizens travel north to the USA border to claim asylum.

Wow, never heard about this issue before. They must be very desperate to fly all the way to MEX.
I imagine Mexico to start requiring Visas for Turkish citizens if this continues.


Indeed, Mexican authorities are already considering removing the electronic visa option for Turkish passport holders. Right now, people from Agri and Batman are denied electronic visas as the majority (80%) of US asylum seekers sent back to Mexico are from these provinces. (Statement from the Mexican Secretariat of External Relations)

Same thing happened with the Japanese a few years back before the pandemic, they were convinced by the Turks. Japanese rarely admit people from the Fatsa region of Ordu, as many people from that region travel to Japan to work illegally.
 
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Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:12 pm

The abysmal on time performance of the return sector TK181/182/184 CUN IST are a direct result of this issue.
 
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Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:54 pm

TK A359 TC-LGG has been delivered:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/tc-lgg
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:09 am

aldrigsomandre wrote:
people from Agri and Batman are denied electronic visas as the majority (80%) of US asylum seekers sent back to Mexico are from these provinces.

Wow, again, I am really surprised that such a high number of these people come from only two smaller provinces. (both with populations below 500,000)
It might be easier to figure out a solution if there is such a high concentration at those two bases.
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:31 am

TK787 wrote:
aldrigsomandre wrote:
people from Agri and Batman are denied electronic visas as the majority (80%) of US asylum seekers sent back to Mexico are from these provinces.

Wow, again, I am really surprised that such a high number of these people come from only two smaller provinces. (both with populations below 500,000)
It might be easier to figure out a solution if there is such a high concentration at those two bases.

Immigration is not rarely from one or a few regions within a country. Most Turks who arrived in Sweden in the 70s came from Kulu. Probably somebody who left, then spread the rumour to friends and family back home about the good life. Similarly, I have heard that the vast majority of Nigerians who come illegally to Europe (often on perilous routes crossing the Sahara and the Mediterranean), are from one province (I forgot which).

Anyhow...the raison d'être for the MEX flight is highly in question, if this is the type of passengers that fill the flights. Also, what's in it for TK? Yields must be crap, operations chaotic, and they are not getting a good reputation in Mexico. And yet, they are increasing the flights. :confused:
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:46 am

Would yields be low on their route to MEX? I assume people would find the money to pay a premium if they are expecting to reach the US. I am also surprised about this as I did not hear anything about it. Maybe TK could screen passengers at IST more thoroughly and deny boarding to those they consider suspicious?
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:07 am

Blerg wrote:
Would yields be low on their route to MEX? I assume people would find the money to pay a premium if they are expecting to reach the US. I am also surprised about this as I did not hear anything about it. Maybe TK could screen passengers at IST more thoroughly and deny boarding to those they consider suspicious?

À la Ryanair Afrikaans test for South Africans?
I presume these passengers have their papers in order, including a return ticket, so what can TK reasonably check?
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:40 am

MalevTU134 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Would yields be low on their route to MEX? I assume people would find the money to pay a premium if they are expecting to reach the US. I am also surprised about this as I did not hear anything about it. Maybe TK could screen passengers at IST more thoroughly and deny boarding to those they consider suspicious?

À la Ryanair Afrikaans test for South Africans?
I presume these passengers have their papers in order, including a return ticket, so what can TK reasonably check?


No idea, they can ask the German police which checks papers every time a flight from BEG arrives to FRA due to a large number of Albanians who are trying to stay there illegally. I suppose they have some mechanisms. However unless they put this under control Mexico will reimpose visas.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 7:26 am

Turkey UAE Air Service Agreement was amended on July 5th whereby overall 64 flights between the two countries are now increased to 173. The additions are additional 7 frequencies were given on IST DXB to Turkish carriers, 3 each more weekly flights were added to Abu Dhabi and Sharjah from IST. In addition to Ankara Dubai direct flights that started last year additional rights were granted for airlines to fly between Ankara and Abu Dhabi. Trabzon, Izmir, Bodrum and Dalaman were also added as new destinations to be included in the Air Service Agreement from UAE.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:43 am

How fast and unpredictable things are in aviation:
About a year ago, on these forums there were talks about TK losing marketshare in Israel after Israel and few Arab nations decided to start flights.
In the news today that Turkey and Israel about the sign a new agreement of its kind since 1951, that would allow both countries' airlines to fly to multiple destinations. Details to follow soon.
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:44 am

Within the framework of the agreement, Turkish airline companies will be able to fly from Istanbul, Ankara, Antalya, Dalaman and Izmir to Tel Aviv, Haifa and Ovda/Eilat in Israel. Israeli airline companies will also be able to organize scheduled flights from these three cities in Israel to Istanbul, Ankara, Antalya, Dalaman and Izmir.

Source in Turkish:
https://web.shgm.gov.tr/tr/haberler/125 ... ucabilecek
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:18 am

ushuaia wrote:
Within the framework of the agreement, Turkish airline companies will be able to fly from Istanbul, Ankara, Antalya, Dalaman and Izmir to Tel Aviv, Haifa and Ovda/Eilat in Israel. Israeli airline companies will also be able to organize scheduled flights from these three cities in Israel to Istanbul, Ankara, Antalya, Dalaman and Izmir.

Source in Turkish:
https://web.shgm.gov.tr/tr/haberler/125 ... ucabilecek

I don't get what is changing now (except for the 2 additional destinations in Israel).
Already today, TK, PC, XC and XQ have several flights from IST, SAW, AYT, ADB and DLM to TLV.
And as far as I remember from this forum, LY, IZ and 6H aren't banned from flying to Turkey. They just don't do it on terms of security concerns (additional security measures not provided by airport service providers....)
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:43 am

After reading the news about a container hitting the engine of TC-LOB, an A330-300 of TK, in CMB I was wondering how many more passenger aircraft are deployed on cargo flights?
TC-LOB was doing only cargo runs https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/tc-lob
Seems like TC-LOE is also in the boat https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/tc-loe
Of course, yields on airfreight have skyrocketed, but isn't this also precious metal on the passenger routes?!?
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:48 am

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Of course, yields on airfreight have skyrocketed, but isn't this also precious metal on the passenger routes?!?


So far, TK have been bringing back stored capacity, but at this point there is only one stored A330 left, so further capacity will have to come either from these aircraft or from the SU A359s that are due in the near future. Until not all that long ago, many more passenger aircraft were deployed on cargo ops, notably B77W TC-LJE was one of the last ones to be returned to passenger operations.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:35 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Would yields be low on their route to MEX? I assume people would find the money to pay a premium if they are expecting to reach the US. I am also surprised about this as I did not hear anything about it. Maybe TK could screen passengers at IST more thoroughly and deny boarding to those they consider suspicious?

À la Ryanair Afrikaans test for South Africans?
I presume these passengers have their papers in order, including a return ticket, so what can TK reasonably check?


Red flags for the Japanese authorities were:

No return ticket, maybe a cheap outward ticket to some low cost Asian destination.
30+ kg's of luggage for a short trip.
No foreign language skills (Not even Japanese - English, German, French etc.)
According to the statistics, all male between 20 to 30 years of age.
No debit or credit cards, a wad of cash in an envelope.
No accommodation arrangements, all have mentioned that they'd be staying with "relatives".

From my experiences in Australia, a lot of Turkish citizens tend to bring food that they cannot live without. Dried meat, pickled vegetables, that white cheese etc. So that's something to look out for as well.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:03 pm

On LinkedIn, someone asked TK CEO Ahmet Bolat which city/country is going to be opened next. He replied that this year no new destinations will be opened and that they're focussing on the summer ops.

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/ur ... 1656832%29

That means no Detroit or Denver launch this year.
Somehow, I also get the feeling that this statement also means no 787 delivery resumption... Those 5 787s waiting for delivery to TK would be such a relief in the ops :cry:

Also, here's a complete list of cities which TK announced their intentions to fly to (via public disclosures):
- Denver and Detroit, USA
- Kraków, Poland
- Lankaran, Azerbaijan
- Abha, Saudi Arabia
- Palermo, Italy
- Aswan, Egypt
- Nantes, France
- A Coruña, Spain
- Makhachkala, Russia
- Sialkot, Pakistan
- Atyrau, Kazakhstan
- Hargeisa, Somalia
- Port Sudan, Sudan
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:39 pm

stylo777 wrote:
how many more passenger aircraft are deployed on cargo flights?

AFAIK you are correct, only -LOE and -LOB are are tagged as "Light Freighter"
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:35 pm

The whole Turks in Mexico discussion is overblown. Per US CBP statistics through September 2021, 1,972 Turks were arrested at the U.S. - Mexico border.

In comparison, 37,830 Indians, 18,024 Chinese, 11,836 Romanians, etc.

Do Turks and other nationalities fly to Mexico with intent to illegally enter the U.S? Certainly, yes, but TK is hardly the exclusive option to reach Mexico, nor are Turks even close to being a top problem for the authorities.

https://trac.syr.edu/phptools/immigration/cbparrest/
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:43 pm

LAXintl wrote:
The whole Turks in Mexico discussion is overblown. Per US CBP statistics through September 2021, 1,972 Turks were arrested at the U.S. - Mexico border.

In comparison, 37,830 Indians, 18,024 Chinese, 11,836 Romanians, etc.

Do Turks and other nationalities fly to Mexico with intent to illegally enter the U.S? Certainly, yes, but TK is hardly the exclusive option to reach Mexico, nor are Turks even close to being a top problem for the authorities.

https://trac.syr.edu/phptools/immigration/cbparrest/


Finally someone providing numbers, thank you LAXintl! The numbers really seem to be low in comparison to other nationalities, so I doubt that it is an issue for TK
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:03 pm

LAXintl wrote:
The whole Turks in Mexico discussion is overblown. Per US CBP statistics through September 2021, 1,972 Turks were arrested at the U.S. - Mexico border.


Woooow very interesting statistics (thanks LAXintl):

6.5M overall arrested.
3.6M Mexican
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:
1,972 Turkish
:
370 Israeli
:
210 Iranian (very interesting, less than Israel citizens)
:
133 German
:
124 Irish
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13 USSR (what ?)
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12 Switzerland
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:38 pm

emre787 wrote:
Also, here's a complete list of cities which TK announced their intentions to fly to (via public disclosures):
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- Kraków, Poland
...


Poland has only 2 daily frequencies to Turkey (charters excluded). Ukraine used to have around 30. Kraków, Rzeszów, Lublin, and Warsaw are now in fact dubbing the Ukrainian airports, so their destinations map will be affected by this new Ukrainian demand. Most travel from/to Ukraine is now either humanitarian or business, the figures have fallen significantly, but we're still talking millions pax.

For those Ukrainians traveling further into the EU/North America, Poland is alright. But for those continuing to Asia/Africa, Poland is hardly connected at all. There has never been a better time for TK/Pegasus to expand its network in Poland, strengthened temporarily with the Ukrainian demand.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:49 pm

EgyptAir launched a weekly charter flight today connecting Cairo and Tekirdağ Çorlu Airport. The weekly Friday service operates until 2 September 2022.

MS3912 CAI TEQ 05:30 08:55 2hr25min B738
MS3913 TEQ CAI 09:55 11:15 2hr20min B738
*timing do change slightly throughout operating period

Unique route …
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:12 pm

LAXintl wrote:
The whole Turks in Mexico discussion is overblown. Per US CBP statistics through September 2021, 1,972 Turks were arrested at the U.S. - Mexico border.

In comparison, 37,830 Indians, 18,024 Chinese, 11,836 Romanians, etc.

Do Turks and other nationalities fly to Mexico with intent to illegally enter the U.S? Certainly, yes, but TK is hardly the exclusive option to reach Mexico, nor are Turks even close to being a top problem for the authorities.

https://trac.syr.edu/phptools/immigration/cbparrest/


Wait until they upload this years stats. You'll be in for a surprise.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 3:06 am

How’s the new m11 train line progressing?
Still planning to open by September?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:31 am

MSN463 (TK #8) TC-LGJ first SU frame has been delivered https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/tk6834
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation July 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:12 am

An illustration of the impact of overly optimistic planning with the B77W fleet:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/tk70

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