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csturdiv
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Tue Jul 26, 2022 7:46 am

cx777fan wrote:
csturdiv wrote:
Are the airports still in chaos around Australia? I know SYD was this AM, but I think it was fog related. Around 6:40am when I was walking to the office in Alexandria it was quite foggy. In about three weeks I have an 8:15am flight and I'm hoping it's not chaotic and that I shouldn't get there too early. Not sure if there is still a dedicated check in for QF gold or higher and business, that can help me maybe.

I flew out of T3 to MEL at 8am last Wednesday. Gold status, so used the priority security lane which moved pretty quickly. I was through in <5 minutes having arrived at 7:00.

The new X-ray machines now each have three "stations" at which people can sort their coats and carry on. There's a queue marshal directing people where to go: "number 2, sir". This is good in that now it means that moron with 3 carry on bags, two coats, a hat, a big belt buckle and 6 mobile phones doesn't hold up everyone behind him while he puts all his crap in trays.

If you're on AFF you'll have seen the thread bemoaning the fact you can no longer actually check in at the new kiosks in Qantas terminals. They only spit out bag tags. You have to have checked in on the app prior to arriving at the airport. A lot of people looked confused and peeved by this latest QF 'enhancement'.


Thanks for the info. I always check in on the QF app and rarely print a bag tag as I have the QF tag on my bag. Funny, I was not nervous about flying to the US in December, but a little nervous about flying to DRW. Maybe I've been in Aus too much and just have forgotten about the long security lines from when I lived in the US.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Tue Jul 26, 2022 7:58 am

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tullamarine wrote:
BNE, PER and ADL have no W class being all regional A359s or 78Js.


The SQ245/6 SIN-BNE-SIN rotation does the see the long haul A359 product which of course does included W but BNE saw 4 x daily SQ flights pre-COVID with the 6.00pm-ish service still not yet resumed. I booked some SQ flights for October / November - my card is still jittery! :shock:


It does see the long haul A359 now but from the NW schedule it looks like this is no longer the case. A359s needed elsewhere on longer flights.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:03 pm

qf789 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:
For NW22/23 Singapore Airlines will operate the following

SYD - 4 daily
MEL - 4 daily
PER - 4 daily
BNE - 3 daily
ADL - 1 daily
CNS - 3 weekly
DRW - 3 weekly

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220726-sqnw22

It's disappointing the of the 4 daily flights to MEL, 2 are using regional A359s which means continued reduced availability of W class. Likewise for SYD with only the daily 77W and A380 having W with the other 2 flights operated by regional A359s. BNE, PER and ADL have no W class being all regional A359s or 78Js.

I guess SQ don't see much competition for W class to SIN given all QF flights except QF1 are operated by A330s.


It’s more to do with availability of airframes. Pretty much all 3 class A350’s are on long haul routes. You have LHR with a daily A350 which pre covid was either A388 or 77W. SQ still has a number of A380’s to return to service plus there is still around 10 77w’s to return to service as well. LAX is up to daily double 3 class A350 plus you have a YVR service which wasn’t offered pre covid

I tend to think as A380’s/77W’s return both MEL and SYD will see less of the regional A350’s

As for PER having the regional product is fine as it’s a 5 hr flight. BNE on the other hand had at least 1 daily flight with the long haul product pre covid


I believe MEL & SYD flights were flown exclusively with long haul configured aircraft pre-COVID. We will probably see them convert back to that by the second half of next year.

Would love to see the A380’s back in MEL though!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:04 pm

qf789 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:
For NW22/23 Singapore Airlines will operate the following

SYD - 4 daily
MEL - 4 daily
PER - 4 daily
BNE - 3 daily
ADL - 1 daily
CNS - 3 weekly
DRW - 3 weekly

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220726-sqnw22

It's disappointing the of the 4 daily flights to MEL, 2 are using regional A359s which means continued reduced availability of W class. Likewise for SYD with only the daily 77W and A380 having W with the other 2 flights operated by regional A359s. BNE, PER and ADL have no W class being all regional A359s or 78Js.

I guess SQ don't see much competition for W class to SIN given all QF flights except QF1 are operated by A330s.


It’s more to do with availability of airframes. Pretty much all 3 class A350’s are on long haul routes. You have LHR with a daily A350 which pre covid was either A388 or 77W. SQ still has a number of A380’s to return to service plus there is still around 10 77w’s to return to service as well. LAX is up to daily double 3 class A350 plus you have a YVR service which wasn’t offered pre covid

I tend to think as A380’s/77W’s return both MEL and SYD will see less of the regional A350’s

As for PER having the regional product is fine as it’s a 5 hr flight. BNE on the other hand had at least 1 daily flight with the long haul product pre covid


I have a feeling the availability (lack of) of aircraft may have something to do with not having enough staff to either operate them or bring them out of storage. Remember, they have a couple of big engineering projects going on at the moment - the A380 cabin refit, as well as the 737-8 refit - which then de-prioritises returning more 777s to service. They have a couple of 777s parked that were refitted with new cabins less than 5 years ago so it is unlikely that the plan is to keep them parked. It is more likely they don't have the staff to operate or service them at the moment.
 
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El Al has announced flights to Australia

Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:33 pm

The CEO of El Al has announced they will fly to Australia but that flights are subject to approval to overfly Saudi Arabian airspace. Interesting development, no mention of Melbourne or Sydney though.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/357076
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:54 pm

qf789 wrote:
For NW22/23 Singapore Airlines will operate the following

SYD - 4 daily
MEL - 4 daily
PER - 4 daily
BNE - 3 daily
ADL - 1 daily
CNS - 3 weekly
DRW - 3 weekly

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220726-sqnw22


I see that CNS is going down a bit as has been at 5 weekly recently.
 
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Re: El Al has announced flights to Australia

Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:30 pm

SenFinn wrote:
The CEO of El Al has announced they will fly to Australia but that flights are subject to approval to overfly Saudi Arabian airspace. Interesting development, no mention of Melbourne or Sydney though.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/357076


I thought MEL has been announced as the favoured route alongside Tokyo?

https://www.jwire.com.au/melbourne-tel- ... the-cards/
 
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Re: El Al has announced flights to Australia

Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:18 pm

kriskim wrote:
SenFinn wrote:
The CEO of El Al has announced they will fly to Australia but that flights are subject to approval to overfly Saudi Arabian airspace. Interesting development, no mention of Melbourne or Sydney though.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/357076


I thought MEL has been announced as the favoured route alongside Tokyo?

https://www.jwire.com.au/melbourne-tel- ... the-cards/

I think it likely that they will likely they will try to operate to both SYD and MEL either through an alternating schedule or a triangular route which may actually suit them as MEL's curfew-free status may mean they can have a mid-evening departure from SYD followed by a midnight departure from MEL allowing for a dawn arrival into TLV.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Wed Jul 27, 2022 1:55 am

NZ516 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
For NW22/23 Singapore Airlines will operate the following

SYD - 4 daily
MEL - 4 daily
PER - 4 daily
BNE - 3 daily
ADL - 1 daily
CNS - 3 weekly
DRW - 3 weekly

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220726-sqnw22


I see that CNS is going down a bit as has been at 5 weekly recently.


I think the frequency on this one varies by season, CNS and DRW in the wet season wouldnt draw the tourist numbers as much.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:06 am

JQ set to resume OOL-NRT at 3 weekly, commencing August 2.
An AAIF partnership between GC Airport and the State Government.

Author note: There are also some SYD-OOL (JQ11) international tag legs scheduled in the booking engine on 787s, so there's some options for QF FFs, as well as some creative same-terminal connecting options in SYD for those arriving in OOL.

Source: https://www.dtis.qld.gov.au/news/latest ... st-service
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:10 am

SCFlyer wrote:
JQ set to resume OOL-CNS at 3 weekly, commencing August 2.
An AAIF partnership between GC Airport and the State Government.

Author note: There are also some SYD-OOL (JQ11) international tag legs scheduled in the booking engine on 787s, so there's some options for QF FFs, as well as some creative same-terminal connecting options in SYD for those arriving in OOL.

Source: https://www.dtis.qld.gov.au/news/latest ... st-service


I think you meant to say OOL to NRT is returning. As OOL to CNS (Cairns) is already long been in service.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:11 am

NZ516 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
JQ set to resume OOL-CNS at 3 weekly, commencing August 2.
An AAIF partnership between GC Airport and the State Government.

Author note: There are also some SYD-OOL (JQ11) international tag legs scheduled in the booking engine on 787s, so there's some options for QF FFs, as well as some creative same-terminal connecting options in SYD for those arriving in OOL.

Source: https://www.dtis.qld.gov.au/news/latest ... st-service


I think you meant to say OOL to NRT is returning. As OOL to CNS (Cairns) is already long been in service.


Noted and edited.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:34 am

qf2220 wrote:
Qantas pulling out of Mt Gambier.

Original article in the Adelaide Advertiser, free link here

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/qant ... -16-months

Time for Rex to put its money where its mouth is?


Just to clarify that link indicates QF are only pulling out of MEL-MGB. QF will remain flying ADL-MGB.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:49 am

SCFlyer wrote:
Author note: There are also some SYD-OOL (JQ11) international tag legs scheduled in the booking engine on 787s, so there's some options for QF FFs, as well as some creative same-terminal connecting options in SYD for those arriving in OOL.


Notwithstanding that the number of people who would benefit from this will be fairly small, given that it is sub-daily and not particularly well timed for international connections, but domestic passengers would still need a ‘D’ pass and would need to exit landslide at SYD and then proceed through ABF/customs/quarantine there. They wouldn’t be able to clear international checks in OOL and then transit airside in SYD. Given the hassle of travelling domestically through the international terminal, without the benefit of being able to transit airside at SYD, I can’t see much benefit over flying to the domestic terminal and catching the bus.
 
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Re: El Al has announced flights to Australia

Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:02 pm

tullamarine wrote:
kriskim wrote:
SenFinn wrote:
The CEO of El Al has announced they will fly to Australia but that flights are subject to approval to overfly Saudi Arabian airspace. Interesting development, no mention of Melbourne or Sydney though.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/357076


I thought MEL has been announced as the favoured route alongside Tokyo?

https://www.jwire.com.au/melbourne-tel- ... the-cards/

I think it likely that they will likely they will try to operate to both SYD and MEL either through an alternating schedule or a triangular route which may actually suit them as MEL's curfew-free status may mean they can have a mid-evening departure from SYD followed by a midnight departure from MEL allowing for a dawn arrival into TLV.


SYD will probably involve too many weight restrictions due to the longer distance from TLV (with the 787 alertly being stretched to its range limit on this route) so LY will likely stick to MEL only. The permission to overfly Saudi is key to making the route work well with the 787.
 
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Re: El Al has announced flights to Australia

Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:31 pm

flybaby wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
kriskim wrote:

I thought MEL has been announced as the favoured route alongside Tokyo?

https://www.jwire.com.au/melbourne-tel- ... the-cards/

I think it likely that they will likely they will try to operate to both SYD and MEL either through an alternating schedule or a triangular route which may actually suit them as MEL's curfew-free status may mean they can have a mid-evening departure from SYD followed by a midnight departure from MEL allowing for a dawn arrival into TLV.


SYD will probably involve too many weight restrictions due to the longer distance from TLV (with the 787 alertly being stretched to its range limit on this route) so LY will likely stick to MEL only. The permission to overfly Saudi is key to making the route work well with the 787.


SYD is only an additional 250 miles compared to MEL. Eastbound with the wind won’t be an issue at all.

It’s a long flight, but certainly not the longest. Unless LY have lower MTOW 787s, I don’t see how TLV-MEL or even SYD-TLV is stretching the 787 “to its range limit”. Without overflying Saudi then sure, but overflying Saudi puts this squarely in the ballpark of where other airlines are using their 787s.

For some context, MEL-TLV (over Saudi) is roughly the same length as SYD-DFW or SFO-SIN. SYD-TLV is slightly shorter than MEL-DFW, BNE-ORD or AKL-JFK. PER-LHR is longer than any of those.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:44 pm

ACCC clears / waves through REX's proposed acquisition of Cobham's National Jet Express (NJE). Only awaiting final clearance by the Foreign Investment Review Board (FIRB).

https://australianaviation.com.au/2022/ ... -purchase/
 
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Re: El Al has announced flights to Australia

Thu Jul 28, 2022 1:31 am

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SYD is only an additional 250 miles compared to MEL. Eastbound with the wind won’t be an issue at all.

It’s a long flight, but certainly not the longest. Unless LY have lower MTOW 787s, I don’t see how TLV-MEL or even SYD-TLV is stretching the 787 “to its range limit”. Without overflying Saudi then sure, but overflying Saudi puts this squarely in the ballpark of where other airlines are using their 787s.

For some context, MEL-TLV (over Saudi) is roughly the same length as SYD-DFW or SFO-SIN. SYD-TLV is slightly shorter than MEL-DFW, BNE-ORD or AKL-JFK. PER-LHR is longer than any of those.


You can’t compare QF’s 787-9s to LY’s 787-9s as they are configured quite differently. The reason QF can make those extra long trips is by only carrying 236 passengers. LY’s are configured with 281 or 271 seats. At those pax counts TLV-MEL is at max range. Any additional distance will mean unsold seats which I suspect LY is loath to do.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:30 am

Second 737MAX for Bonza has returned to BFI after painting at VCV

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https://twitter.com/bfi_watch_ca350/sta ... ZWVPg4YH6g
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:46 am

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Second 737MAX for Bonza has returned to BFI after painting at VCV

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https://twitter.com/bfi_watch_ca350/sta ... ZWVPg4YH6g


Will be nice to see a purple tail darting around Australian airports to break up the sea of red and white.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:00 am

The first JQ A321neoLR is set to be delivered tomorrow and will position XFW-BOM-PER-MEL

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1669583 ... 190999110/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:16 am

qf789 wrote:
The first JQ A321neoLR is set to be delivered tomorrow and will position XFW-BOM-PER-MEL

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1669583 ... 190999110/


Any other link available? The linked Facebook group is set to private so users like myself are unable to see it
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:20 am

LY has some additional security hardware installed on it's aircraft as well? Not sure if it is enough to impact standard operating performance? I thought I'd heard it had some significant extra frame weight as a result?

https://travelradar.aero/israel-the-wor ... e-airline/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:24 am

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Second 737MAX for Bonza has returned to BFI after painting at VCV

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https://twitter.com/bfi_watch_ca350/sta ... ZWVPg4YH6g


Can someone explain why there are no winglets.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:26 am

qfba wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Second 737MAX for Bonza has returned to BFI after painting at VCV

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https://twitter.com/bfi_watch_ca350/sta ... ZWVPg4YH6g


Can someone explain why there are no winglets.

I assume they are painted separately and will be installed back at BFI pre-delivery.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:28 am

tullamarine wrote:
qfba wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Second 737MAX for Bonza has returned to BFI after painting at VCV

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https://twitter.com/bfi_watch_ca350/sta ... ZWVPg4YH6g


Can someone explain why there are no winglets.

I assume they are painted separately and will be installed back at BFI pre-delivery.


It says why if you click on the link, they were removed for repainting
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:28 am

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Second 737MAX for Bonza has returned to BFI after painting at VCV

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https://twitter.com/bfi_watch_ca350/sta ... ZWVPg4YH6g


Shouldn’t it have some wingtip ornaments?

Those wingtips are very un-MAXlike.

Edit: I see three other posts asking the same question, uploaded while I typed my two short sentences.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:41 am

Alliance Airlines has announced their CEO has resigned for "personal reasons." No idea what that means but it may be he does not agree with the potential QF takeover or is position is being made redundant in advance of such a takeover.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 4:43 am

tullamarine wrote:
Alliance Airlines has announced their CEO has resigned for "personal reasons." No idea what that means but it may be he does not agree with the potential QF takeover or is position is being made redundant in advance of such a takeover.


Maybe they're just tired of the job, want to spend more time with family, sick of working through issues 24/7, or maybe they've just had a better offer somewhere else.

Not everything has to do with Qantas.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:34 am

Jetstar to switch DPS-ADL/PER/DRW flights to the A321 over the summer period.

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220727-jqnw22dps

ADL-OOL/HBA will also see the larger aircraft operating - it appears JQ are going to base a couple of A321 in ADL. Made possible thanks to the NEO, I assume.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:40 am

Anyone familiar with the Rex online check in procedure? The flights in a flight centre package I booked are on Rex, but they charge for seat selection if I go into manage my booking. Can you choose for free when online check in opens 48 hours before departure or will it just auto assign something random that you can’t change? Though considering only 6 seats are showing as unavailable for a flight 5 days away I do wonder if it’s going to be pretty empty and I’ll basically have free choice once on board anyway. (I’m not opposed to paying $12 to choose seats, but if I can do it for free when I check in why not)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:59 am

tsurumaru wrote:
Jetstar to switch DPS-ADL/PER/DRW flights to the A321 over the summer period.

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220727-jqnw22dps

ADL-OOL/HBA will also see the larger aircraft operating - it appears JQ are going to base a couple of A321 in ADL. Made possible thanks to the NEO, I assume.


Is there a way to tell them apart in the schedules?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 6:22 am

csturdiv wrote:
cx777fan wrote:
csturdiv wrote:
Are the airports still in chaos around Australia? I know SYD was this AM, but I think it was fog related. Around 6:40am when I was walking to the office in Alexandria it was quite foggy. In about three weeks I have an 8:15am flight and I'm hoping it's not chaotic and that I shouldn't get there too early. Not sure if there is still a dedicated check in for QF gold or higher and business, that can help me maybe.

I flew out of T3 to MEL at 8am last Wednesday. Gold status, so used the priority security lane which moved pretty quickly. I was through in <5 minutes having arrived at 7:00.

The new X-ray machines now each have three "stations" at which people can sort their coats and carry on. There's a queue marshal directing people where to go: "number 2, sir". This is good in that now it means that moron with 3 carry on bags, two coats, a hat, a big belt buckle and 6 mobile phones doesn't hold up everyone behind him while he puts all his crap in trays.

If you're on AFF you'll have seen the thread bemoaning the fact you can no longer actually check in at the new kiosks in Qantas terminals. They only spit out bag tags. You have to have checked in on the app prior to arriving at the airport. A lot of people looked confused and peeved by this latest QF 'enhancement'.


Thanks for the info. I always check in on the QF app and rarely print a bag tag as I have the QF tag on my bag. Funny, I was not nervous about flying to the US in December, but a little nervous about flying to DRW. Maybe I've been in Aus too much and just have forgotten about the long security lines from when I lived in the US.


Avoid the Q Tags at the moment. A staffer (later) advised me not to use them right now, as some new staff don't know how to deal with the bags without the traditional sticker bag tags. I found that out the hard way waiting 6 days for my bag after a very short and simple domestic flight. I will carry on as much baggage as I can for the forseeable future until QF sort out their mess.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 6:48 am

tullamarine wrote:
Alliance Airlines has announced their CEO has resigned for "personal reasons." No idea what that means but it may be he does not agree with the potential QF takeover or is position is being made redundant in advance of such a takeover.

Well, I guess it is personal. Hence they don't want to share the news of their private life. Generally, a CEO isnt going to be a spring chicken, so many reasons why they may wish to leave.

If a CEO left due to grievances with the board, for example, that is different and people should know why.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 7:06 am

qfa763 wrote:
csturdiv wrote:
cx777fan wrote:
I flew out of T3 to MEL at 8am last Wednesday. Gold status, so used the priority security lane which moved pretty quickly. I was through in <5 minutes having arrived at 7:00.

The new X-ray machines now each have three "stations" at which people can sort their coats and carry on. There's a queue marshal directing people where to go: "number 2, sir". This is good in that now it means that moron with 3 carry on bags, two coats, a hat, a big belt buckle and 6 mobile phones doesn't hold up everyone behind him while he puts all his crap in trays.

If you're on AFF you'll have seen the thread bemoaning the fact you can no longer actually check in at the new kiosks in Qantas terminals. They only spit out bag tags. You have to have checked in on the app prior to arriving at the airport. A lot of people looked confused and peeved by this latest QF 'enhancement'.


Thanks for the info. I always check in on the QF app and rarely print a bag tag as I have the QF tag on my bag. Funny, I was not nervous about flying to the US in December, but a little nervous about flying to DRW. Maybe I've been in Aus too much and just have forgotten about the long security lines from when I lived in the US.


Avoid the Q Tags at the moment. A staffer (later) advised me not to use them right now, as some new staff don't know how to deal with the bags without the traditional sticker bag tags. I found that out the hard way waiting 6 days for my bag after a very short and simple domestic flight. I will carry on as much baggage as I can for the forseeable future until QF sort out their mess.


Thanks for the advice.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:37 am

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csturdiv wrote:

Thanks for the info. I always check in on the QF app and rarely print a bag tag as I have the QF tag on my bag. Funny, I was not nervous about flying to the US in December, but a little nervous about flying to DRW. Maybe I've been in Aus too much and just have forgotten about the long security lines from when I lived in the US.


Avoid the Q Tags at the moment. A staffer (later) advised me not to use them right now, as some new staff don't know how to deal with the bags without the traditional sticker bag tags. I found that out the hard way waiting 6 days for my bag after a very short and simple domestic flight. I will carry on as much baggage as I can for the forseeable future until QF sort out their mess.


Thanks for the advice.


First time I ever used those Q tags i was booked on a flight from Sydney to Hervey Bay (via Brisbane). Bag ended up down in Melbourne.....have never used them since. I'm sure there a plenty of people out there who have used them multiple times without error though!

On a side note the lovely Qantas lady in Hervey Bay (who I think has been working a long time there as I've seen her a lot over the years) drove out to me a couple of days later a 1 1/2 hour drive as the bag contained my clothes for a baptism where I became the godfather. She arrived just in time whilst we were leaving the house! I left for the airport the very next day and when i saw her there couldn't thank her enough. She got me better seats for the flights home.
 
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Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:24 am

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RyanairGuru wrote:


SYD is only an additional 250 miles compared to MEL. Eastbound with the wind won’t be an issue at all.

It’s a long flight, but certainly not the longest. Unless LY have lower MTOW 787s, I don’t see how TLV-MEL or even SYD-TLV is stretching the 787 “to its range limit”. Without overflying Saudi then sure, but overflying Saudi puts this squarely in the ballpark of where other airlines are using their 787s.

For some context, MEL-TLV (over Saudi) is roughly the same length as SYD-DFW or SFO-SIN. SYD-TLV is slightly shorter than MEL-DFW, BNE-ORD or AKL-JFK. PER-LHR is longer than any of those.


You can’t compare QF’s 787-9s to LY’s 787-9s as they are configured quite differently. The reason QF can make those extra long trips is by only carrying 236 passengers. LY’s are configured with 281 or 271 seats. At those pax counts TLV-MEL is at max range. Any additional distance will mean unsold seats which I suspect LY is loath to do.


Even so, the post you were responding to suggested a TLV-SYD-MEL triangle, in that order, but you said that they wouldn’t fly to SYD as MEL was already pushing it. MEL could be pushing it if they’re not prepared to take weight restrictions, but if they can fly MEL-TLV westbound into the wind then they can certainly fly TLV-SYD eastbound with the wind behind them.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:39 am

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Second 737MAX for Bonza has returned to BFI after painting at VCV

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https://twitter.com/bfi_watch_ca350/sta ... ZWVPg4YH6g


I have to say their marketing is pretty cringeworthy. “Here for Allstralia” painted on the engine nacelles, yuck!!!

I wish them well, however I still have my doubts on how sustainable their business plan is.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 4:16 pm

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Jetstar to switch DPS-ADL/PER/DRW flights to the A321 over the summer period.

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220727-jqnw22dps

ADL-OOL/HBA will also see the larger aircraft operating - it appears JQ are going to base a couple of A321 in ADL. Made possible thanks to the NEO, I assume.


Press release from Airbus on the first delivery -

https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/pres ... st-a321neo

As a side note - must have missed the changes to the order structure for JQ- 38 321s up from the original 18. Or was it always 38 and 18LR? Are the 8 321 CEOs staying?

Fair bit of domestic and Asian capacity increase. Just goes to show the strength of the 321 on a cost basis vs 320 and in my opinion the right choice for both QF and JQ domestically as well.

The aircraft is the first of 38 A320neo Family aircraft for Jetstar, comprising 18 A321neo and 20 A321XLR. These are part of a larger backlog of single-aisle aircraft ordered by the Qantas Group, which now stands at 149 aircraft
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:20 pm

vhqpa wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Second 737MAX for Bonza has returned to BFI after painting at VCV

Image

https://twitter.com/bfi_watch_ca350/sta ... ZWVPg4YH6g


I have to say their marketing is pretty cringeworthy. “Here for Allstralia” painted on the engine nacelles, yuck!!!

I wish them well, however I still have my doubts on how sustainable their business plan is.

I am really curious about their business plan which is an interesting diversion from the normal and at least is something different. I think it more likely to succeed than the completely pointless jet operation by REX which was doomed as soon as it becoame clear that VA would survive administration.

Bonza will definitely launch with the youngest average fleet age in Australia by a long way!!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:52 pm

Probably ever. Can't think of a startup that hadn't had some used aircraft (Virgin Blue, Compass 1/2, OzJet, Jetstar etc)

The model seems a mix of JetBlue and Allegiant in the US - both pretty profitable airlines, but Aus secondary towns are a lot smaller and we lack far flung corporate headquarters.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Fri Jul 29, 2022 12:56 am

vhqpa wrote:

I have to say their marketing is pretty cringeworthy. “Here for Allstralia” painted on the engine nacelles, yuck!!!


Thats just an unachievable statement from the get go. Not even QF serves all of Australia.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:41 am

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The first JQ A321neoLR is set to be delivered tomorrow and will position XFW-BOM-PER-MEL

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1669583 ... 190999110/


JQ8992 live on flight radar BOM-PER currently.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Fri Jul 29, 2022 1:45 pm

OffTheRails wrote:
csturdiv wrote:
qfa763 wrote:

Avoid the Q Tags at the moment. A staffer (later) advised me not to use them right now, as some new staff don't know how to deal with the bags without the traditional sticker bag tags. I found that out the hard way waiting 6 days for my bag after a very short and simple domestic flight. I will carry on as much baggage as I can for the forseeable future until QF sort out their mess.


Thanks for the advice.


First time I ever used those Q tags i was booked on a flight from Sydney to Hervey Bay (via Brisbane). Bag ended up down in Melbourne.....have never used them since. I'm sure there a plenty of people out there who have used them multiple times without error though!

On a side note the lovely Qantas lady in Hervey Bay (who I think has been working a long time there as I've seen her a lot over the years) drove out to me a couple of days later a 1 1/2 hour drive as the bag contained my clothes for a baptism where I became the godfather. She arrived just in time whilst we were leaving the house! I left for the airport the very next day and when i saw her there couldn't thank her enough. She got me better seats for the flights home.


Q Tags have been a disaster since Day 1 for QF, well before they outsourced ramp handling. They are great in theory but baggage sortation is still a very manual process and the quick identification of a “BNE” or “HVB” on the bag means chances it will make the flight are significantly higher. I believe only the majors will accept them now, even QF-handled (above wing) ports like TSV and CNS don’t use them and require passengers to print tags.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Fri Jul 29, 2022 2:59 pm

smi0006 wrote:
tsurumaru wrote:
Jetstar to switch DPS-ADL/PER/DRW flights to the A321 over the summer period.

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220727-jqnw22dps

ADL-OOL/HBA will also see the larger aircraft operating - it appears JQ are going to base a couple of A321 in ADL. Made possible thanks to the NEO, I assume.


Is there a way to tell them apart in the schedules?


Most booking engines distinguish between the A320 and A321.

As an aside, Google Flights will also show the emissions emitted per flight when searching, which differs according to aircraft type. This is useful for picking out the A330 flights on a route like MEL-SYD (to use Qantas as an example).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:04 pm

Anyone have any details on the QF terminal upgrade in MEL? I have seen renders of the new retail and dining area which will be after security. Just wondering if the actual concourse and boarding areas are included in the upgrade? They are in desperate need of some attention.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:54 am

Bonza’s first aircraft is on its way home.
https://twitter.com/thegreatplanes/stat ... MeWVWBgAhw
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Sat Jul 30, 2022 1:06 am

OQG is currently positioning LAX-AUH, presumably for maintenance

https://twitter.com/AA380fanclub/status ... V-vmYOccDA
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Sat Jul 30, 2022 1:31 am

JQ NEO (VH-OFE) is in Perth waiting for an appropriate time to appear on the Eastern News services.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2022

Sat Jul 30, 2022 3:43 am

vhqpa wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Second 737MAX for Bonza has returned to BFI after painting at VCV

Image

https://twitter.com/bfi_watch_ca350/sta ... ZWVPg4YH6g


I have to say their marketing is pretty cringeworthy. “Here for Allstralia” painted on the engine nacelles, yuck!!!

I wish them well, however I still have my doubts on how sustainable their business plan is.


No problem with it here. They're a cheap and leisure based carrier. What are you expecting - Tennyson? Frankly it's less grating than the soppy faux patriotism nonsense from Qantas. "Spirit of Australia"... ya reckon?

Let's give Bonza a go before dumping on them.I hope they find their niche and succeed.
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