IceCream wrote:

Based on only the highest fares being open (like discussed on other forums) it seems like YYZ-BOS, ORD, YFC, YYG, LGW, and probably YQB are being cut in November. YYZ-YOW, YUL, BNA, YXU, YQT, YQM seem to be staying for the winter season, although I suspect some of them could see frequency reductions.
YHZ-YQY seems to be cut but YHZ-YYT is staying for now.

hollywoodcory wrote:

YYC-LHR has been officially been extended to year-round, increasing to 1x daily starting October 30th.

9252fly wrote:

hollywoodcory wrote:

YYC-LHR has been officially been extended to year-round, increasing to 1x daily starting October 30th.

No surprise, what about LGW? Seems YYZ - LGW is gone for the winter. I wonder if WS will make its services to LGW seasonal from all Canadian departure points. LHR should make them money as it will likely draw a higher yield from their western client base than what they could earn operating LGW in winter.

hollywoodcory wrote:

9252fly wrote:

hollywoodcory wrote:

YYC-LHR has been officially been extended to year-round, increasing to 1x daily starting October 30th.

No surprise, what about LGW? Seems YYZ - LGW is gone for the winter. I wonder if WS will make its services to LGW seasonal from all Canadian departure points. LHR should make them money as it will likely draw a higher yield from their western client base than what they could earn operating LGW in winter.

LGW is still loaded and bookable from both YYC/YYZ in the winter.

As for YYZ-LGW, its only available for booking full-fare J/W/Y class fares through the entire schedule (including next summer) implying it could be a more of a permeant drop.

IceCream wrote:

Based on only the highest fares being open (like discussed on other forums) it seems like YYZ-BOS, ORD, YFC, YYG, LGW, and probably YQB are being cut in November. YYZ-YOW, YUL, BNA, YXU, YQT, YQM seem to be staying for the winter season, although I suspect some of them could see frequency reductions.
YHZ-YQY seems to be cut but YHZ-YYT is staying for now.

9252fly wrote:

hollywoodcory wrote:

9252fly wrote:

No surprise, what about LGW? Seems YYZ - LGW is gone for the winter. I wonder if WS will make its services to LGW seasonal from all Canadian departure points. LHR should make them money as it will likely draw a higher yield from their western client base than what they could earn operating LGW in winter.

LGW is still loaded and bookable from both YYC/YYZ in the winter.

As for YYZ-LGW, its only available for booking full-fare J/W/Y class fares through the entire schedule (including next summer) implying it could be a more of a permeant drop.

What about YVR - LGW, loaded for the winter and available in all booking classes?

SXDFC wrote:

Any idea when they will start repainting the PAX NGs in the new livery? I’ve seen a few of their birds around, and they can definitely use a new coat of paint.

Dominion301 wrote:

IceCream wrote:

Based on only the highest fares being open (like discussed on other forums) it seems like YYZ-BOS, ORD, YFC, YYG, LGW, and probably YQB are being cut in November. YYZ-YOW, YUL, BNA, YXU, YQT, YQM seem to be staying for the winter season, although I suspect some of them could see frequency reductions.
YHZ-YQY seems to be cut but YHZ-YYT is staying for now.

I’d be shocked if YQB-YYZ goes as that would mean YQB would become a seasonal station like YQG. More likely it drops to 1 or 2 daily 737s. YXU-YYZ probably sticks around for the winter then disappears. YQM and YQT to YYZ will surely return to 737s, ditto YFC probably daily summer and 3-5x weekly in winter.

YDF and YQY almost certainly become summer seasonal stations with the DH4s gone. I wonder how long the new YYZ-ORD sticks around without the Dashes? I wonder if BOS will go with WS relying on DL codesharing? 2 or 3 daily 737s to BOS makes no sense.

It seems silly on the surface for WS to be pulling all DH4 flying out of the east vs largely eliminating them from the eastern triangle and then redeploying to new markets like YQG, YSB, YAM and YTS to strengthen YYZ.

I can see YYT-YHZ staying twice daily summer, daily winter with thru service to YYZ with an additional YYT-YYZ 1-2 daily nonstops.

Needless to say, PD are rejoicing at the thought of being a strong #2 to AC in the east.

Dogman wrote:

I can't believe that they cannot make a use of another 4 B789. A pair for YYZ-LGW and another for YYZ-CDG.

IceCream wrote:

Dominion301 wrote:

IceCream wrote:

Based on only the highest fares being open (like discussed on other forums) it seems like YYZ-BOS, ORD, YFC, YYG, LGW, and probably YQB are being cut in November. YYZ-YOW, YUL, BNA, YXU, YQT, YQM seem to be staying for the winter season, although I suspect some of them could see frequency reductions.
YHZ-YQY seems to be cut but YHZ-YYT is staying for now.

I’d be shocked if YQB-YYZ goes as that would mean YQB would become a seasonal station like YQG. More likely it drops to 1 or 2 daily 737s. YXU-YYZ probably sticks around for the winter then disappears. YQM and YQT to YYZ will surely return to 737s, ditto YFC probably daily summer and 3-5x weekly in winter.

YDF and YQY almost certainly become summer seasonal stations with the DH4s gone. I wonder how long the new YYZ-ORD sticks around without the Dashes? I wonder if BOS will go with WS relying on DL codesharing? 2 or 3 daily 737s to BOS makes no sense.

It seems silly on the surface for WS to be pulling all DH4 flying out of the east vs largely eliminating them from the eastern triangle and then redeploying to new markets like YQG, YSB, YAM and YTS to strengthen YYZ.

I can see YYT-YHZ staying twice daily summer, daily winter with thru service to YYZ with an additional YYT-YYZ 1-2 daily nonstops.

Needless to say, PD are rejoicing at the thought of being a strong #2 to AC in the east.

I was thinking the same thing about YQB being replaced by a daily 737, but over 800 dollar fares in economy for YQB doesn't make it sound like the route is staying. I hope I'm wrong. With regard to ORD it seems to have the same issue of only the highest fares being open. Odd that that it was only started in May and already (potentially) getting cut.

Dominion301 wrote:

IceCream wrote:

Dominion301 wrote:

I’d be shocked if YQB-YYZ goes as that would mean YQB would become a seasonal station like YQG. More likely it drops to 1 or 2 daily 737s. YXU-YYZ probably sticks around for the winter then disappears. YQM and YQT to YYZ will surely return to 737s, ditto YFC probably daily summer and 3-5x weekly in winter.

YDF and YQY almost certainly become summer seasonal stations with the DH4s gone. I wonder how long the new YYZ-ORD sticks around without the Dashes? I wonder if BOS will go with WS relying on DL codesharing? 2 or 3 daily 737s to BOS makes no sense.

It seems silly on the surface for WS to be pulling all DH4 flying out of the east vs largely eliminating them from the eastern triangle and then redeploying to new markets like YQG, YSB, YAM and YTS to strengthen YYZ.

I can see YYT-YHZ staying twice daily summer, daily winter with thru service to YYZ with an additional YYT-YYZ 1-2 daily nonstops.

Needless to say, PD are rejoicing at the thought of being a strong #2 to AC in the east.

I was thinking the same thing about YQB being replaced by a daily 737, but over 800 dollar fares in economy for YQB doesn't make it sound like the route is staying. I hope I'm wrong. With regard to ORD it seems to have the same issue of only the highest fares being open. Odd that that it was only started in May and already (potentially) getting cut.

The thing with YQB is maybe the full Y fares in winter are temporary while the schedule gets completely reworked to that one daily 737 in order to minimize rebookings. If WS can’t serve Quebec’s capital, how year-round, how are they anything more than a regional carrier?

YYCFlier wrote:

Dogman wrote:

I can't believe that they cannot make a use of another 4 B789. A pair for YYZ-LGW and another for YYZ-CDG.

Pulling TATL 789s out of YYZ seems pretty silly to me, but that's exactly what they are doing. YYZ will be narrow-body only. They are taking one more 789, so it will be 7/10 not 6/10.

Whiteguy wrote:

YYCFlier wrote:

Dogman wrote:

I can't believe that they cannot make a use of another 4 B789. A pair for YYZ-LGW and another for YYZ-CDG.

Pulling TATL 789s out of YYZ seems pretty silly to me, but that's exactly what they are doing. YYZ will be narrow-body only. They are taking one more 789, so it will be 7/10 not 6/10.

Nothing has been confirmed with Europe routes out of YYZ yet, LGW may continue to operate, not sure about BCN. They only thing that is pulled from YYZ is the pilot base, and it was created back in the spring. Up until then everything was operated from YYC base.

hollywoodcory wrote:

Whiteguy wrote:

YYCFlier wrote:

Pulling TATL 789s out of YYZ seems pretty silly to me, but that's exactly what they are doing. YYZ will be narrow-body only. They are taking one more 789, so it will be 7/10 not 6/10.

Nothing has been confirmed with Europe routes out of YYZ yet, LGW may continue to operate, not sure about BCN. They only thing that is pulled from YYZ is the pilot base, and it was created back in the spring. Up until then everything was operated from YYC base.

BCN was already removed from the schedule next summer.

Can the Max operate YYZ-LGW? Is it possible it's being swapped to say 2x daily 7M8 instead of the daily 789?

Whiteguy wrote:

hollywoodcory wrote:

Whiteguy wrote:

Nothing has been confirmed with Europe routes out of YYZ yet, LGW may continue to operate, not sure about BCN. They only thing that is pulled from YYZ is the pilot base, and it was created back in the spring. Up until then everything was operated from YYC base.

BCN was already removed from the schedule next summer.

Can the Max operate YYZ-LGW? Is it possible it's being swapped to say 2x daily 7M8 instead of the daily 789?

It could but there could be restrictions on it sone days of course. I doubt they would operate with the MAX though, I hear cargo is quite good into LGW.

hollywoodcory wrote:

Whiteguy wrote:

YYCFlier wrote:

Pulling TATL 789s out of YYZ seems pretty silly to me, but that's exactly what they are doing. YYZ will be narrow-body only. They are taking one more 789, so it will be 7/10 not 6/10.

Nothing has been confirmed with Europe routes out of YYZ yet, LGW may continue to operate, not sure about BCN. They only thing that is pulled from YYZ is the pilot base, and it was created back in the spring. Up until then everything was operated from YYC base.

BCN was already removed from the schedule next summer.

Can the Max operate YYZ-LGW? Is it possible it's being swapped to say 2x daily 7M8 instead of the daily 789?

Dominion301 wrote:

hollywoodcory wrote:

Whiteguy wrote:

Nothing has been confirmed with Europe routes out of YYZ yet, LGW may continue to operate, not sure about BCN. They only thing that is pulled from YYZ is the pilot base, and it was created back in the spring. Up until then everything was operated from YYC base.

BCN was already removed from the schedule next summer.

Can the Max operate YYZ-LGW? Is it possible it's being swapped to say 2x daily 7M8 instead of the daily 789?

Yes the MAX is easily within YYZ-LGW range but 2x is a non-starter unless they drop YHZ or obtain more slots.

hollywoodcory wrote:

Dominion301 wrote:

hollywoodcory wrote:

BCN was already removed from the schedule next summer.

Can the Max operate YYZ-LGW? Is it possible it's being swapped to say 2x daily 7M8 instead of the daily 789?

Yes the MAX is easily within YYZ-LGW range but 2x is a non-starter unless they drop YHZ or obtain more slots.

All of YHZ-Europe has already been removed from the S23 schedule, and that was more in regards to the winter schedule. With YYC-LHR now daily in the winter, it could free a daily slot pair at LGW this winter. (Unless YVR-LGW is planned to go year-round now).

But as whiteguy mentioned with cargo, I imagine the 789 will stay on YYZ-LGW.

hollywoodcory wrote:

Dominion301 wrote:

hollywoodcory wrote:

BCN was already removed from the schedule next summer.

Can the Max operate YYZ-LGW? Is it possible it's being swapped to say 2x daily 7M8 instead of the daily 789?

Yes the MAX is easily within YYZ-LGW range but 2x is a non-starter unless they drop YHZ or obtain more slots.

All of YHZ-Europe has already been removed from the S23 schedule, and that was more in regards to the winter schedule. With YYC-LHR now daily in the winter, it could free a daily slot pair at LGW this winter. (Unless YVR-LGW is planned to go year-round now).

But as whiteguy mentioned with cargo, I imagine the 789 will stay on YYZ-LGW.

dr1980 wrote:

So reading a few different posts here that seem to have different thoughts…is the current best guess that YHZ loses summer Europe flights next year under this western focus restructuring or is there hope for some of them? Really hoping to make a trip to Ireland next year without transferring through a hub.

hollywoodcory wrote:

A few winter changes in this weekend's update:

YYZ-ORD removed after October 17 (This route is still scheduled in S23).
YYZ-BOS removed after October 30 (Appears to be completely removed?)
YVR-LGW removed after October 2 (Meaning it likely won't be going year-round, at least this winter).

YYZ-LGW is still scheduled / and still only selling full-fare J/W/Y class.

346fetish wrote:

hollywoodcory wrote:

A few winter changes in this weekend's update:

YYZ-ORD removed after October 17 (This route is still scheduled in S23).
YYZ-BOS removed after October 30 (Appears to be completely removed?)
YVR-LGW removed after October 2 (Meaning it likely won't be going year-round, at least this winter).

YYZ-LGW is still scheduled / and still only selling full-fare J/W/Y class.

Not surprised with YYZBOS being completely removed -- hard to compete with a lawn mower.

346fetish wrote:

hollywoodcory wrote:

A few winter changes in this weekend's update:

YYZ-ORD removed after October 17 (This route is still scheduled in S23).
YYZ-BOS removed after October 30 (Appears to be completely removed?)
YVR-LGW removed after October 2 (Meaning it likely won't be going year-round, at least this winter).

YYZ-LGW is still scheduled / and still only selling full-fare J/W/Y class.

Not surprised with YYZBOS being completely removed -- hard to compete with a lawn mower.

AirframeAS wrote:

Any chance that we will ever see a DEN-YYZ route anytime soon? I'd LOVE to see that!!!

IceCream wrote:

Based on only the highest fares being open (like discussed on other forums) it seems like YYZ-BOS, ORD, YFC, YYG, LGW, and probably YQB are being cut in November. YYZ-YOW, YUL, BNA, YXU, YQT, YQM seem to be staying for the winter season, although I suspect some of them could see frequency reductions.
YHZ-YQY seems to be cut but YHZ-YYT is staying for now.

readytotaxi wrote:

5 yrs without a rise, that has got to hurt.

AWNP wrote:

readytotaxi wrote:

5 yrs without a rise, that has got to hurt.

I don't know for sure, but would assume the pay bands haven't increased over that time, but workers would be getting annual raises as they progress though the bands - guessing this would only have affected people already at the top 5 years ago?

alasizon wrote:

Does anyone have a copy of their contract/compensation tables? Just curious to see where they stand.

cirrusdragoon wrote:

alasizon wrote:

Does anyone have a copy of their contract/compensation tables? Just curious to see where they stand.

Start $15.55 CAD an hour, topping out at $23.87 an hour after seven years

ac190 wrote:

Good on them, it’s about time.

AC starts at 16.60$ and topping out at around 31$. Add into the fact no organized pension and health benefits that keep getting trimmed every year it’s a wonder why anyone would stay with WJ at customer service level.

AWNP wrote:

ac190 wrote:

Good on them, it’s about time.

AC starts at 16.60$ and topping out at around 31$. Add into the fact no organized pension and health benefits that keep getting trimmed every year it’s a wonder why anyone would stay with WJ at customer service level.

No pension, but a fully matched savings plan of 20% of salary - worth a lot more than a defined contribution pension.

cirrusdragoon wrote:

WestJet workers in Calgary and Vancouver have voted overwhelmingly to support the bargaining committee and take strike action if a deal cannot be reached, as early as July 27, 2022 according to their union Unifor.


The staff pay scale has not been increased for more than five years, making WestJet's wages among the lowest in the Canadian aviation industry and has not been matched for soaring inflation.

They will be in a legal strike position beginning July 27, 2022. Prior to taking any strike action, Unifor must serve WestJet with 72 hours' notice of its intention to strike.

We are certainly in an era of rebalancing fair work for fair pay. I wish these workers all the success in their quest to better their work environment and compensation.

cirrusdragoon wrote:

alasizon wrote:

Does anyone have a copy of their contract/compensation tables? Just curious to see where they stand.

Start $15.55 CAD an hour, topping out at $23.87 an hour after seven years

casperCA wrote:

cirrusdragoon wrote:

alasizon wrote:

Does anyone have a copy of their contract/compensation tables? Just curious to see where they stand.

Start $15.55 CAD an hour, topping out at $23.87 an hour after seven years

Minimum wage in BC is $15.65. In BC minimum wage is indexed to inflation. So you would expect that bottom to be 8% higher this time next year.