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Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Jul 29, 2022 1:51 pm

As per Airways magazine, Ethiopian Airlines has switched four A350-900 Orders to A350-1000; thus becoming the first African operator for the -1000 type.

https://airwaysmag.com/ethiopian-africa ... JBHqLpgP8s
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Jul 29, 2022 2:04 pm

Wow. This is great news.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Jul 29, 2022 2:16 pm

They ordered 22 -900s. 16 have been delivered (and two more leased). Two more will be delivered as -900s and the remaining four as -1000s.

Whether it's relevant or not, ET happen to have four 777-300ERs.

I see further orders for the -1000 coming from ET.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Jul 29, 2022 2:20 pm

I do wonder what ET’s fleet strategy is, they seem to have an aircraft for every niche - but hey it works! Good for them!

Not to get political, but hopefully we see continued success for ET into the future love to see them continue to grow, and love to see them in MEL/SYD one day!
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:13 pm

I for see those 4 B77Ws being gradually converted into Fs once all 4 A351s are fully operational in the fleet.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:28 pm

Would a Project Sunrise-spec A35K give ET any advantages over a 'stock' A35K? Or are the restrictions at ADD such that more MTOW wouldn't make a difference?
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:44 pm

MrHMSH wrote:
Would a Project Sunrise-spec A35K give ET any advantages over a 'stock' A35K? Or are the restrictions at ADD such that more MTOW wouldn't make a difference?

Unless there are aerodynamic tweaks unlikely. Like with JNB it’s the hot/high altitude of ADD that restricts how much weight can lift. Adding more MTOW doesn’t change anything.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:34 pm

Most parts of Africa are developing quite nicely especially in terms of tourism. ET was smart to have positioned themselves in most of these emerging markets. Some friends of mine just came back from Zanzibar and they loved it. They said you could see a lot of poverty in towns but resorts were really nice.More and more non-Africans will want to visit these emerging markets and ET will profit the most from it all.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:04 am

behramjee wrote:
I for see those 4 B77Ws being gradually converted into Fs once all 4 A351s are fully operational in the fleet.


The B77Ws are all leased in. If anything the six passenger 77Ls are ripe for conversion and use by ET, not the 77Ws.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:39 am

berari wrote:
behramjee wrote:
I for see those 4 B77Ws being gradually converted into Fs once all 4 A351s are fully operational in the fleet.


The B77Ws are all leased in. If anything the six passenger 77Ls are ripe for conversion and use by ET, not the 77Ws.


Maybe, but ET has more 359s in the pipeline to replace the 77Ls
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:50 am

After this conversion, only 2 more 359s are in the pipeline:

https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/pres ... -a350-1000

Ethiopian Airlines has already ordered 22 A350-900s, of which 16 aircraft have been delivered. With the A350-1000 upsizing, Ethiopian Airlines’ backlog consists of four A350-1000s and two A350-900s.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:19 am

BobMUC wrote:
After this conversion, only 2 more 359s are in the pipeline:

https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/pres ... -a350-1000

Ethiopian Airlines has already ordered 22 A350-900s, of which 16 aircraft have been delivered. With the A350-1000 upsizing, Ethiopian Airlines’ backlog consists of four A350-1000s and two A350-900s.

I suspect (hope!) there will be further orders. I flew on two ET A350s in May. Very nice.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:42 am

JerseyFlyer wrote:
berari wrote:
behramjee wrote:
I for see those 4 B77Ws being gradually converted into Fs once all 4 A351s are fully operational in the fleet.


The B77Ws are all leased in. If anything the six passenger 77Ls are ripe for conversion and use by ET, not the 77Ws.


Maybe, but ET has more 359s in the pipeline to replace the 77Ls


Out of curiosity, have any 77L's been retired/sold/returned, as 350's have arrived ?
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:34 am

LTEN11 wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
berari wrote:

The B77Ws are all leased in. If anything the six passenger 77Ls are ripe for conversion and use by ET, not the 77Ws.


Maybe, but ET has more 359s in the pipeline to replace the 77Ls


Out of curiosity, have any 77L's been retired/sold/returned, as 350's have arrived ?

No.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:25 am

PM wrote:
LTEN11 wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:

Maybe, but ET has more 359s in the pipeline to replace the 77Ls


Out of curiosity, have any 77L's been retired/sold/returned, as 350's have arrived ?

No.


Thank you.

So the previous comment was nothing but unfounded speculation by the poster.
 
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:58 am

Blerg wrote:
Most parts of Africa are developing quite nicely especially in terms of tourism. ET was smart to have positioned themselves in most of these emerging markets. Some friends of mine just came back from Zanzibar and they loved it. They said you could see a lot of poverty in towns but resorts were really nice.More and more non-Africans will want to visit these emerging markets and ET will profit the most from it all.


Not sure Ethiopian is doing too good atm woth a lot of ‘civil unrest’ - won’t turn this political, but I wonder how much/percentage O&D ET transport vs to their connecting hub operations, and when does the local crisis start to impact their demand and fleet choices.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:16 pm

LTEN11 wrote:
PM wrote:
LTEN11 wrote:

Out of curiosity, have any 77L's been retired/sold/returned, as 350's have arrived ?

No.


Thank you.

So the previous comment was nothing but unfounded speculation by the poster.


It's A350, I don't think people go around saying Boeing B777.

Also, unless they plan to order the 777-8, the A359s are the most logical aircraft (out of the type already in their fleet) to replace the 77Ls.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:20 pm

There is no plan to replace the 77Ls anytime soon.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:34 pm

crimsonchin wrote:
LTEN11 wrote:
PM wrote:
No.


Thank you.

So the previous comment was nothing but unfounded speculation by the poster.


It's A350, I don't think people go around saying Boeing B777

Also, unless they plan to order the 777-8, the A359s are the most logical aircraft (out of the type already in their fleet) to replace the 77Ls.


Well ET have already said they will order the 777-8F, so a 777-8 or 777-9 order wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:17 pm

Polot wrote:
MrHMSH wrote:
Would a Project Sunrise-spec A35K give ET any advantages over a 'stock' A35K? Or are the restrictions at ADD such that more MTOW wouldn't make a difference?

Unless there are aerodynamic tweaks unlikely. Like with JNB it’s the hot/high altitude of ADD that restricts how much weight can lift. Adding more MTOW doesn’t change anything.


Hopefully the new airport will have longer runways to mitigate that. The current airport has cliff edges on both ends of the runways, limiting any lengthening.


PM wrote:
I suspect (hope!) there will be further orders. I flew on two ET A350s in May. Very nice.


Really! Not at the same impression I got. I hope ET's A35k will have better cabins than their A359. Their current ones have been ordered with 1.5inch handrests and with no outside fuselage or tail cameras, no LED mood lighting, no overhead bins LED lighting. Seems they opted for the bare minimum cabin specs. Looking forward to seeing a better cabin in the A35k
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:35 pm

Perhaps PM flew business class??!!
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:10 am

Stay off the sidewalks!!
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:52 am

afriwing wrote:
Polot wrote:
MrHMSH wrote:
Would a Project Sunrise-spec A35K give ET any advantages over a 'stock' A35K? Or are the restrictions at ADD such that more MTOW wouldn't make a difference?

Unless there are aerodynamic tweaks unlikely. Like with JNB it’s the hot/high altitude of ADD that restricts how much weight can lift. Adding more MTOW doesn’t change anything.


Hopefully the new airport will have longer runways to mitigate that. The current airport has cliff edges on both ends of the runways, limiting any lengthening.


PM wrote:
I suspect (hope!) there will be further orders. I flew on two ET A350s in May. Very nice.


Really! Not at the same impression I got. I hope ET's A35k will have better cabins than their A359. Their current ones have been ordered with 1.5inch handrests and with no outside fuselage or tail cameras, no LED mood lighting, no overhead bins LED lighting. Seems they opted for the bare minimum cabin specs. Looking forward to seeing a better cabin in the A35k


Tricky to find details - is the new airport progressing? How far off are we? Never flow through ADD - but prior to the terminal opening heard it was a challenge to transit.

Given the yield ET is able to command a low spec cabin fitting makes sense, but it is a pitty, especially around lightening - as I would have thought that would have been reasonably cheap and easy upgrade, if not standard! Are there any plans to align the business product across the ET fleet?
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:51 am

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Perhaps PM flew business class??!!

Indeed. On ET 787s, MAX 8s, a 777-200LR and two A350s. Impressed.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Orders Africa's first A350-1000

Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:06 am

smi0006 wrote:


Are there any plans to align the business product across the ET fleet?


I'm not sure but I hope so. The majority of the long haul fleet have 2-2-2 in Business. But the latest A350s have a much better 1-2-1 product that I believe is the same as United Polaris.

I flew on -AYB and -AYM and enjoyed the new seat. I understand it is also fitted on -AYA and -AYN. A flight attendant confirmed that there's a similar (but different) 1-2-1 on the newest 787-9s.

I assume these new seats will be standard on all future deliveries. Ideally, ET will go back and reconfigure the older planes.

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