Irish 8/22: An august institution

JAmie2k9 · Sun Aug 07, 2022 9:34 pm

Avoation1091 wrote:
JAmie2k9 wrote:
AmricanShamrok wrote:
Off topic but I wonder if EI would ever consider reinstating the daytime eastbound JFK-DUB service? Curious to know how this performed a few years back when it last operated; I think it ran for more than one season which indicates it didn't do too badly (initially at least).

If 2020 had opereated as planned, I think BOS was to go x18 weekly peak season. No changes to JFK that summer.

I am not sure it will return. New expensive fleet of A321LRs this service would be poor utilization of the fleet unltess it was a top performer. 3/5 LR operate Euro routes this summer in between T/A.

Its just 2 X LR operating morning DUB-LHR before they go to YYZ/PHL. No euro routes are covered except for some DUB FCO runs lately. The other 3 LR are on the ground in DUB.

Thanks so it is. I think most of FCO early from later this month/early Sep possibly because they have the A320NEOs that may run the 06:30 LHR instead.

TUGMASTER · Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:01 am

Flew on an LR out of LHR last week, which was one of 3 on the ground at the same time.

OA260 · Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:42 am

I flew to LHR yesterday the airport was quite organised in T2 and cleaner too. Security took about 25 mins in fast track. Aer Lingus lounge was busy but not uncomfortably so. Lots of Americans connecting to LHR from AA. The flight was sched changed from a 321LR to A320 a few weeks ago . Heard a crew member tell a passenger that they hate the 321LR from a service delivery point of view for TATL especially down the back .

Avoation1091 · Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:31 am

Theyd probably keep the 321 on the 7.30 LHR flight incase they need to change a/c that are in SNN.

I think its lack of space down the back of the 321 thats the issue. The last 2 rows are blocked off for pax due to galley space i think. There are operating limits from DUB as well on the runway.

EK770 · Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:47 am

OA260 wrote:
Heard a crew member tell a passenger that they hate the 321LR from a service delivery point of view for TATL especially down the back .

Forward and aft galleys are very small: in the aft galley you have people queueing up for the loo while they're trying to get carts set up and through, it's a very tight space for 3 crew to work out of. The forward galley isn't much better in terms of providing a J-class service, many carriers e.g. LH, AF etc. have a bigger galley on their short haul a/c. No other operator (with a lie flat J class) comes close to the seat count that EI has on the 321LR.

nickya340 · Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:36 am

Yes 184 is pretty high for an LR doing TATL compared to SAS (157) or even TAP (171) which is a ‘value’ carrier like EI.

https://www.aerolopa.com/sk-32q
https://www.aerolopa.com/tp-32q-lr
https://www.aerolopa.com/ei-airbus-a320neo-lr

As seen here, only EI use the space saving lavs in rear galley also there are no mid cabin lavs behind J.

Then there is JetBlue which is obviously incomparable with only 138
https://www.aerolopa.com/b6-32n-lr

They’re new A/C so cabin reconfigurations won’t come for a long while maybe in the future they’ll install a premium economy cabin.

aerlingusa330 · Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:09 pm

AmricanShamrok wrote:
Off topic but I wonder if EI would ever consider reinstating the daytime eastbound JFK-DUB service? Curious to know how this performed a few years back when it last operated; I think it ran for more than one season which indicates it didn't do too badly (initially at least).

I'd love to see that come back. I flew on it once before it ceased and it was very, very convenient, plus I'm glad I did on the 757 before they left. Personally, I think the daytime flight nearly eliminated any jetlag with a 12pm departure eastbound and arrival just before midnight in DUB.

BrianDromey · Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:37 pm

EK770 wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Heard a crew member tell a passenger that they hate the 321LR from a service delivery point of view for TATL especially down the back .

Forward and aft galleys are very small: in the aft galley you have people queueing up for the loo while they're trying to get carts set up and through, it's a very tight space for 3 crew to work out of. The forward galley isn't much better in terms of providing a J-class service, many carriers e.g. LH, AF etc. have a bigger galley on their short haul a/c. No other operator (with a lie flat J class) comes close to the seat count that EI has on the 321LR.

The IAG-spec spaceflex rear galley and toilet arrangement is pretty terrible for the missions these aircraft were designed to do, from the start. You'd imagine that a more traditional galley layout across the rear bulkhead and two toilets forward of the rear doors would have been a better layout, even if it meant sacrificing a toilet? Im not sure how much input EI had on the galley layout. The IAG-spec galleys on the A350s at BA are reported to be equally poor.

alancostello · Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:59 pm

I’d be very intrigued to see what happens with the A321XLR at EI (and IB), for the even longer missions it’ll be scheduled to fly I’d hope it won’t just be a copy and paste of the LR’s config. Perhaps we could finally see the launch of a Premium Economy product, the revenue/floor area numbers are excellent when compared to other classes, and might appease the IAG bean counters enough to remove a row from the back of economy for lavatories and a full galley.

planemanofnz · Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:18 am

I know an EI 321NEO would be payload restricted TATL ex-Cork - but would a lower-density B6 321NEO work? Could be an interesting opportunity for the EI-B6 partnership (at Belfast too).

OA260 · Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:49 am

Incident with EI - FNH on Tuesdays 133

Aer Lingus Flight With Engine Fire Makes Emergency Landing at Bradley Airport

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/loc ... 353/?amp=1

iRISH251 · Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:11 pm

OA260 wrote:
Incident with EI - FNH on Tuesdays 133

Aer Lingus Flight With Engine Fire Makes Emergency Landing at Bradley Airport

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/loc ... 353/?amp=1

Sounds like a compressor stall. EI-FNG was the aircraft and it appears still to be on the ground at BDL. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/EIFNG

BrianDromey · Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:31 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
I know an EI 321NEO would be payload restricted TATL ex-Cork - but would a lower-density B6 321NEO work? Could be an interesting opportunity for the EI-B6 partnership (at Belfast too).

I would guess EI might prefer to partner with AA on such routes once the JV gets going. In any case there really isn’t much left at ORK to connect to/from, sadly.
All that said, I would guess the B6 transatlantic layout is far too premium for Cork. The 16/144 A321LD might be better suited. But even that seems super low-density.

JAmie2k9 · Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:32 am

Billionaire Comer brothers have agreed to pay up to €20m to buy Waterford Airport. The Galway brothers will take a majority stake with plans for significant investment

https://m.independent.ie/business/irish ... 03865.html

PhilipBass · Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:47 am

remarket Tramore as Costa Grande and offer bucket and spade package deals. USP being little danger of sunburn.
Edit: good luck to them but this Airport may be more of a play thing for Billionaires than a business proposition

planemanofnz · Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:39 am

JAmie2k9 wrote:
Billionaire Comer brothers have agreed to pay up to €20m to buy Waterford Airport. The Galway brothers will take a majority stake with plans for significant investment

https://m.independent.ie/business/irish ... 03865.html

What airlines/routes would be most promising for Waterford?

dstc47 · Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:53 am

planemanofnz wrote:
JAmie2k9 wrote:
Billionaire Comer brothers have agreed to pay up to €20m to buy Waterford Airport. The Galway brothers will take a majority stake with plans for significant investment

https://m.independent.ie/business/irish ... 03865.html

What airlines/routes would be most promising for Waterford?

The problem in the past has been generating sufficient traffic to support any regular service to the London area airports.
Twice daily is needed to make the operation viable and ideally not to LTN to provide for transit traffic otherwise using DUB or ORK.

A small demand for bucket and spade charters in Summer.
Unfortunately there are few carriers with the right mix of aircraft or deep pockets to take up this option.

nickya340 · Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:02 am

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2022/0811 ... 7-ryanair/

O’Leary says era of €10 fares are gone. Not surprised tbh, going to miss my €9.99 flights to stansted

OA260 · Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:37 am

nickya340 wrote:
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2022/0811/1315077-ryanair/

O’Leary says era of €10 fares are gone. Not surprised tbh, going to miss my €9.99 flights to stansted

Take with a pinch of salt ! When demand drops this Winter they will have weekly flash sales . Don't give up hope just yet .

Clydenairways · Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:46 am

JAmie2k9 wrote:
Billionaire Comer brothers have agreed to pay up to €20m to buy Waterford Airport. The Galway brothers will take a majority stake with plans for significant investment

https://m.independent.ie/business/irish ... 03865.html

It will be interesting to see what happens there. I suspect the runway extension will be happening as a priority.

HTCone · Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:57 am

dstc47 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
JAmie2k9 wrote:
Billionaire Comer brothers have agreed to pay up to €20m to buy Waterford Airport. The Galway brothers will take a majority stake with plans for significant investment

https://m.independent.ie/business/irish ... 03865.html

What airlines/routes would be most promising for Waterford?

The problem in the past has been generating sufficient traffic to support any regular service to the London area airports.
Twice daily is needed to make the operation viable and ideally not to LTN to provide for transit traffic otherwise using DUB or ORK.

A small demand for bucket and spade charters in Summer.
Unfortunately there are few carriers with the right mix of aircraft or deep pockets to take up this option.

Traditionally I would have said similar market potential to Kerry or Knock, but one of the few things we did fairly well in the tiger era was motorways (with a few notable omissions like Limerick-Cork).

A couple of times a week to Lanzarote and Palma in the summer maybe. Daily flights to London would be competing with DUB and ORK, so would be very price and schedule sensitive. RYR to STN might have the best chance, LGW, LHR & LCY slots are all likely too expensive for carriers to risk, but who knows. Emerald ATRs serving the wider UK via W patterns from DUB or BHD a couple of times a week in summer is not totally beyond possible with the right incentives either maybe.

I am one of those who thinks we have too many regional airports now for such a small island with motorways, but if a couple of private individuals want to try and make a go of this, good luck to them, so long as they don’t come cap in hand to the Government if it fails.

nickya340 · Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:07 am

OA260 wrote:
nickya340 wrote:
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2022/0811/1315077-ryanair/

O’Leary says era of €10 fares are gone. Not surprised tbh, going to miss my €9.99 flights to stansted

Take with a pinch of salt ! When demand drops this Winter they will have weekly flash sales . Don't give up hope just yet .

That’s true, even €12 or 15.99 is common enough for UK flights during summer if booked early enough. I often think O’Leary says things to get Ryanair on the news. I was thinking the price of fuel etc but Ryanair is actually hedged very well for the winter.

planemanofnz wrote:
JAmie2k9 wrote:
Billionaire Comer brothers have agreed to pay up to €20m to buy Waterford Airport. The Galway brothers will take a majority stake with plans for significant investment

https://m.independent.ie/business/irish ... 03865.html

What airlines/routes would be most promising for Waterford?

If the runway extension goes ahead I don’t see why a LTN or STN FR flight wouldn’t work, they work in similar regional airports like KIR and NOC. Even NOC has X4 daily flights to London on some days! 2 LTN & 2 STN

AmricanShamrok · Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:51 am

The WAT thing is interesting; I would've thought there would be viability for a few commercial services, given that Waterford City is roughly two hours from the nearest alternatives (DUB and ORK). The potential catchment area population would be about 0.5m looking at rough figures below. Surely a few weekly flights to London and MAN/BHX would work at a minimum. At one stage there were regularly scheduled flights from WAT to AMS and AGP among others so maybe there is potential there. EA only seems interested in feeding the EI hub at DUB and BHD-UK so I'd say the front-runners would be Loganair, Eastern Airways, possibly Flybe. If the runway was extended FR might give it a go.

Co. Wexford: 150,000
Co. Waterford: 127,000
Co. Carlow: 62,000
Co. Kilkenny: 99,000
South Tipperary (old county boundaries): 90,000
Total: 528,000

PhilipBass · Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:50 am

they're still pitiful population numbers. they must be banking on Ireland's immigration friendly policies to pad the numbers up to sustainable values in future decades.

eicvd · Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:41 pm

AmricanShamrok wrote:
The WAT thing is interesting; I would've thought there would be viability for a few commercial services, given that Waterford City is roughly two hours from the nearest alternatives (DUB and ORK). The potential catchment area population would be about 0.5m looking at rough figures below. Surely a few weekly flights to London and MAN/BHX would work at a minimum. At one stage there were regularly scheduled flights from WAT to AMS and AGP among others so maybe there is potential there. EA only seems interested in feeding the EI hub at DUB and BHD-UK so I'd say the front-runners would be Loganair, Eastern Airways, possibly Flybe. If the runway was extended FR might give it a go.

Co. Wexford: 150,000
Co. Waterford: 127,000
Co. Carlow: 62,000
Co. Kilkenny: 99,000
South Tipperary (old county boundaries): 90,000
Total: 528,000

Logan, Eastern & Flybe have little interest in WAT at the moment so I couldn’t see them being interested in future. I’d love to see WAT do well but I struggle to see who can make a go from there.

EK770 · Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:05 pm

nickya340 wrote:
[Even NOC has X4 daily flights to London on some days! 2 LTN & 2 STN

Actually 5! EI to LGW is daily as well!

OA260 · Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:08 pm

I flew Aerspace on the 321NEO today LHR - DUB. Flight was packed . Lots of TATL connections. Parked in DUB at end of pier and had a long wait for someone to connect the airbridge.

Avoation1091 · Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:08 pm

Does anyone know if EI send extra crew down to SNN for standby? Just in case they are needed to be called in to cover?

Eirules · Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:14 pm

Absolute sh*t show this morning with swissport at dublin airport. A 2hr+ wait for bags of AA132 from Dallas and zero representative around

iRISH251 · Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:06 pm

Dalton Philips interview and article in today's IT: https://www.irishtimes.com/business/202 ... r-charges/

PhilipBass · Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:35 pm

Dalton Philips learnt how to put on the poor mouth during his stay in Ireland.
Thanks to Ryanair and Aer Lingus and thanks to the huge amount of traffic to and from the UK for short trips a disproportionate number of passengers arrive with their luggage in a 40litre rucksack or in a wheelie trolley case. They're not putting stress on the infrastructure at Dublin Airport.
Like the Health Service Executive which has a clientel with a dispropionately average younger age than most of Western Europe it suits them to plead for similar budget to others in Western Europe without situations being comparable.
The Irish Citizen exists to be ridden.

AirbusA343 · Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:46 pm

Just saw that TK operated an A350 yesterday morning to Dublin! I never thought I'd see the day this would happen. It was one of the ones destined for Aeroflot so it has the great business class hard product.

S0Y · Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:18 pm

AirbusA343 wrote:
Just saw that TK operated an A350 yesterday morning to Dublin! I never thought I'd see the day this would happen. It was one of the ones destined for Aeroflot so it has the great business class hard product.

Oooh, exciting, I am flying them next weekend, would love to get the A350, but A330 will still be a great option.
Hoping to avoid the A321, even if TK have the best narrowbody biz class in Europe

shamrock321 · Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:46 pm

EI-FNG is still on the ground at BDL after its ENGINE issue…does anyone know how long it’s likely to be there after a compressor failure? The Aer Lingus long haul network seems to be managing without it for the moment.

JAmie2k9 · Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:10 pm

shamrock321 wrote:
EI-FNG is still on the ground at BDL after its ENGINE issue…does anyone know how long it’s likely to be there after a compressor failure? The Aer Lingus long haul network seems to be managing without it for the moment.

Whoever made the decision to bring the spare UK A330 back will be taking full credit! They would have to sub or lose a flight most days otherwise.

smokeybandit · Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:31 pm

I'll be there in 10 days for the Aer Lingus College Football Classic. Hopefully they get it all figured out by then.

OA260 · Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:36 am

CEO designate of Irish Aviation Authority, Diarmuid Ó Conghaile, to leave role in surprise move

https://m.independent.ie/business/ceo-d ... 03869.html

Off to pastures new !

OA260 · Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:22 pm

Fast Track is now available to buy again and operating hours extended at DUB.

iRISH251 · Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:33 pm

PhilipBass wrote:
Thanks to Ryanair and Aer Lingus and thanks to the huge amount of traffic to and from the UK for short trips a disproportionate number of passengers arrive with their luggage in a 40litre rucksack or in a wheelie trolley case. They're not putting stress on the infrastructure at Dublin Airport.

Since the infrastructure of an airport consists of much more than baggage handling (and of course that is not a DAA function) I'm not clear what point you are trying to make here.

PhilipBass · Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:00 pm

Don't be coy. You understand the point I'm making.
It isn't just baggage handling that it is reduced. The passengers are arriving and departing on full A32Xs and 737 so fewer movements and much more P2P. much fewer regional jets and turboprops too.
DUB traffic profile is nothing like LHR or FRA but DAA want to compare themselves to those airports.

aerlingusa330 · Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:16 pm

shamrock321 wrote:
EI-FNG is still on the ground at BDL after its ENGINE issue…does anyone know how long it’s likely to be there after a compressor failure? The Aer Lingus long haul network seems to be managing without it for the moment.

According to the fueler who serviced -FNG during the diversion who posted on another forum, EI is awaiting a replacement engine to be flown to BDL to swap out on -FNG. I haven't seen a timeframe anywhere though, but assume it'll be at least a couple more days.

alancostello · Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:09 pm

aerlingusa330 wrote:
shamrock321 wrote:
EI-FNG is still on the ground at BDL after its ENGINE issue…does anyone know how long it’s likely to be there after a compressor failure? The Aer Lingus long haul network seems to be managing without it for the moment.

According to the fueler who serviced -FNG during the diversion who posted on another forum, EI is awaiting a replacement engine to be flown to BDL to swap out on -FNG. I haven't seen a timeframe anywhere though, but assume it'll be at least a couple more days.

Not that they have any other reason to regret their choice but I bet EI wish they had gone with P&W engines now! P&W's major manufacturing facility is just down the road from Bradley in East Hartford, Connecticut.

ClassicLover · Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:25 pm

OA260 wrote:
Fast Track is now available to buy again and operating hours extended at DUB.

Huge news and dovetails with what I am seeing on Twitter with people asked to be normal again and get to the airport two hours before departure.

Looks like we're over the hump!

iRISH251 · Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:39 pm

PhilipBass wrote:
Don't be coy. You understand the point I'm making.
It isn't just baggage handling that it is reduced. The passengers are arriving and departing on full A32Xs and 737 so fewer movements and much more P2P. much fewer regional jets and turboprops too.
DUB traffic profile is nothing like LHR or FRA but DAA want to compare themselves to those airports.

Noted. Obviously it is not on a par with the major European airports but Dublin has a sizeable amount of wide-body and large NB activity during the summer peak, when the Middle East/Turkish and Canadian carriers are added to AA/DL/UA and EI themselves. I noted Blue Islands, Eastern and Emerald ATRs one after another in the departure queue today so turboprop ops are there, but not so much in the waves we saw during the Stobart days.

PhilipBass · Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:54 pm

iRISH251 wrote:
PhilipBass wrote:
Don't be coy. You understand the point I'm making.
It isn't just baggage handling that it is reduced. The passengers are arriving and departing on full A32Xs and 737 so fewer movements and much more P2P. much fewer regional jets and turboprops too.
DUB traffic profile is nothing like LHR or FRA but DAA want to compare themselves to those airports.

Noted. Obviously it is not on a par with the major European airports but Dublin has a sizeable amount of wide-body and large NB activity during the summer peak, when the Middle East/Turkish and Canadian carriers are added to AA/DL/UA and EI themselves. I noted Blue Islands, Eastern and Emerald ATRs one after another in the departure queue today so turboprop ops are there, but not so much in the waves we saw during the Stobart days.

look at statistics
https://dublinairport.org/statistics/
Ryanair and Aer LIngus are way ahead of all the rest and mostly short haul.
In 2019 which is the last normal year there were nearly 33 million passengers and nearly 86% of them being shorthaul.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Ai ... %20million.

anyhow I'll move on...

PhilipBass · Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:21 pm

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/hom ... 51011.html

€20,000 towards insulation for homes adjacent to dublin airport...E&OE errors and ommissions apply.

OA260 · Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:10 am

EasyJet continues to expand presence at Belfast City Airport

https://www.irishnews.com/business/2022 ... t-2800940/

Good to see EZY slowly building up their route network from NI.

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Irish aviation executives enter aircraft leasing market with Saudi backing

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/202 ... i-backing/

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Majorca flights to jet off from City of Derry Airport

https://www.derrynow.com/news/local-new ... rport.html

It seems LDY may have found a lifeline albeit seasonal with a rumoured additional sun routes being considered for next Summer.

ClassicLover · Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:24 am

I received an e-mail from Aer Lingus today for a new AerClub app.

Shame I can't login to it with my username and password

EI321 · Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:01 am

The old Ryanair / Eircell Livery 737-200 used for fire training at DUB has been scrapped sadly.

https://twitter.com/DublinNewsLive/stat ... _veUA&s=08

OA260 · Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:25 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
I received an e-mail from Aer Lingus today for a new AerClub app.

Shame I can't login to it with my username and password

Same here but why am I not surprised ! I did get my 80 missing TPs from July though randomly post . Just 180 to Concierge .

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