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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:01 am

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What's everyones opinion on a possible EMB-120 replacement for Airnorth? Those birds are over 33 years old, with the oldest at 37 (???) with no public info on what they are planning yet. The shortest runway they operate into would be Milingimbi at around 1300m long. Although it's a 62% jump in capacity (18 more seats) over the EMB-120, is the ATR42 the obvious pick?

There is no obvious replacement. It is the same problem that REX will have when it eventually admits that it needs to replace its SAABs. SAAB and Embraer no longer produce anything this small and the smaller Dash 8s are also no longer produced which means the ATS42 is the obvious candidate even if, as you admit, it is actually not a one-for-one replacement either.


Are we somewhat unique in Australia to have routes that need aircraft of that size where the rest of the world doesnt? Im trying to understand why globally none of the manufacturers are making planes of that size anymore.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:13 am

qf2220 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Fuling wrote:
What's everyones opinion on a possible EMB-120 replacement for Airnorth? Those birds are over 33 years old, with the oldest at 37 (???) with no public info on what they are planning yet. The shortest runway they operate into would be Milingimbi at around 1300m long. Although it's a 62% jump in capacity (18 more seats) over the EMB-120, is the ATR42 the obvious pick?

There is no obvious replacement. It is the same problem that REX will have when it eventually admits that it needs to replace its SAABs. SAAB and Embraer no longer produce anything this small and the smaller Dash 8s are also no longer produced which means the ATS42 is the obvious candidate even if, as you admit, it is actually not a one-for-one replacement either.


Are we somewhat unique in Australia to have routes that need aircraft of that size where the rest of the world doesnt? Im trying to understand why globally none of the manufacturers are making planes of that size anymore.


Not unique, but there’s not many others. Norway, Canada, Alaska, Greenland, plus island nations. All up you’re looking at a few hundred aircraft worldwide. More significantly, unless government funded the economics of these routes don’t lend themselves to costly capital investment. Fully depreciated aircraft with low cost of ownership is part of what makes these routes viable. The market for new build aircraft is therefore tiny, so nobody is prepared to invest R&D in the sector. So long as ATR build the 72 it’s relatively easy and cheap to offer the 42 alongside, but once they retire the 42/72 program it will only be niche manufacturers left.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Sun Aug 14, 2022 5:28 am

Canberra Airport currently in lockdown, flights grounds after a shooting took place at the airport

https://twitter.com/newscomauhq/status/ ... Xpve9CHPPw
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:51 am

CBR has now re-opened. Seems to be a lone shooter involved, who is now in custody.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/act/ ... 5b9pz.html
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:09 am

A significant number of security screening staff at SYD have called in sick leading to long queues and some security lines closed today

https://twitter.com/9newssyd/status/155 ... eRen4kiftQ
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:29 am

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A significant number of security screening staff at SYD have called in sick leading to long queues and some security lines closed today

https://twitter.com/9newssyd/status/155 ... eRen4kiftQ


Flew to MEL today - all lanes were open, but security queue filled the old vallet space, and was out the door down the ramp.

Everyone was super chilled about it - line was massive, but felt like well organised chaos. Lots of staff directing and moving pax, calling flights out etc. Impressed with pax calmness. Not much fun though, not sure how it can be short staffed when all lanes open - just felt there is insufficient capacity, and space at security.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:09 am

Qantas to add 6 more A321P2F’s to its fleet growing it from the current 3, aircraft will arrive between 2024 and mid 2026

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ng-demand/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:29 am

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Qantas to add 6 more A321P2F’s to its fleet growing it from the current 3, aircraft will arrive between 2024 and mid 2026

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ng-demand/

These moves seem to confirm that QF will not be replacing the A332 in the domestic fleet with another widebody. The A332 is great as a freight carrier but with a large A321P2F fleet, the need for a domestic widebody diminishes. It is likely QF will move its mainline domestic fleet to an all narrow-body Airbus fleet over the next 8-10 years.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:26 am

Hey folks, I've been absent for a while but wondered if anyone might have some details re the 'new' VA 737-700s. We know from the press release that they will go into service in Q1 of CY23 but we still don't have any firm detail about their origin or actual EIS, do we? I ask because looking at VA schedules for January I note there are 8 lines of flying for the 73W including 6 based at BNE and 2 based out of PER. Surely this suggests the aircraft should begin arriving in Australia in the not-too-distant future? Appreciate any info, please and thank you :)

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Does anyone know which QF 73H is erroneously appearing on FR24 as Jetstar A321 VH-VWY currently inbound to BNE as QF668 from ADL.

The funny thing is that particular A321 is now VH-ULY with EFA and also inbound to BNE on a Qantas Frieght flight from MEL.


This was VXK, it operated several sectors over a few days last week while erroneously showing as VWY.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:28 am

tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Qantas to add 6 more A321P2F’s to its fleet growing it from the current 3, aircraft will arrive between 2024 and mid 2026

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ng-demand/

These moves seem to confirm that QF will not be replacing the A332 in the domestic fleet with another widebody. The A332 is great as a freight carrier but with a large A321P2F fleet, the need for a domestic widebody diminishes. It is likely QF will move its mainline domestic fleet to an all narrow-body Airbus fleet over the next 8-10 years.


I saw, though I can't find the link unfortunately, that QF have renewed their contract with Atlas, however it is for 744's instead of 748's this time. Still 2 aircraft full time and additional frequencies between the U.S and Australia and China, but not China to the U.S.A. No doubt the 744's are cheaper, whilst still offering similar capacity.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:02 am

tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Qantas to add 6 more A321P2F’s to its fleet growing it from the current 3, aircraft will arrive between 2024 and mid 2026

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ng-demand/

These moves seem to confirm that QF will not be replacing the A332 in the domestic fleet with another widebody. The A332 is great as a freight carrier but with a large A321P2F fleet, the need for a domestic widebody diminishes. It is likely QF will move its mainline domestic fleet to an all narrow-body Airbus fleet over the next 8-10 years.


So that is 9x A321P2Fs. The announcement reannouncees from December that theyre converting 2x A332s to freight configuration, one for domestic (I assume for APO work based on December) so id say the 332s will be around for a while. Would we be right to assume the 763F is going to be retired once the other 332 comes online? Regarding Atlas, any chance more 332s could be added to the fleet to replace the 744s and bring it all in house (though a 744 freighter is no doubt a lower cost than a 332).

Also, there has been a fair reduction in the hired in freight fleet over time if im remembering correctly, with Cobham and others providing some frames over time, id be keen to see what the net capacity increase is.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:16 am

LTEN11 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Qantas to add 6 more A321P2F’s to its fleet growing it from the current 3, aircraft will arrive between 2024 and mid 2026

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ng-demand/

These moves seem to confirm that QF will not be replacing the A332 in the domestic fleet with another widebody. The A332 is great as a freight carrier but with a large A321P2F fleet, the need for a domestic widebody diminishes. It is likely QF will move its mainline domestic fleet to an all narrow-body Airbus fleet over the next 8-10 years.


I saw, though I can't find the link unfortunately, that QF have renewed their contract with Atlas, however it is for 744's instead of 748's this time. Still 2 aircraft full time and additional frequencies between the U.S and Australia and China, but not China to the U.S.A. No doubt the 744's are cheaper, whilst still offering similar capacity.


Interesting I note on the presslease one 330 will be dedicated to domestic one to international. No comment on 767F retirement, but you could easily see another 330 replace it as they are retired.

I do agree domestic/Tasman/PI/DPS will be 321/320 pax and P2F, and A220. 321NEO is probs better for Transcon than 330

Does make me wonder will 330 be dedicated to Asia, and if they will be replaced in the midterm. Does make sense with some new routes coming in Asia. Do the iPad 330 get dedicated to domestic, how many would be freed up for international if freed up by first batch of 20 321XLR?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:36 am

smi0006 wrote:
LTEN11 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
These moves seem to confirm that QF will not be replacing the A332 in the domestic fleet with another widebody. The A332 is great as a freight carrier but with a large A321P2F fleet, the need for a domestic widebody diminishes. It is likely QF will move its mainline domestic fleet to an all narrow-body Airbus fleet over the next 8-10 years.


I saw, though I can't find the link unfortunately, that QF have renewed their contract with Atlas, however it is for 744's instead of 748's this time. Still 2 aircraft full time and additional frequencies between the U.S and Australia and China, but not China to the U.S.A. No doubt the 744's are cheaper, whilst still offering similar capacity.


Interesting I note on the presslease one 330 will be dedicated to domestic one to international. No comment on 767F retirement, but you could easily see another 330 replace it as they are retired.

I do agree domestic/Tasman/PI/DPS will be 321/320 pax and P2F, and A220. 321NEO is probs better for Transcon than 330

Does make me wonder will 330 be dedicated to Asia, and if they will be replaced in the midterm. Does make sense with some new routes coming in Asia. Do the iPad 330 get dedicated to domestic, how many would be freed up for international if freed up by first batch of 20 321XLR?

By the iPad A332, I assume you mean the original Cityflyer birds that never had IFE installed in Y. From memory, at least one of these (EBE) is up for conversion to freight. These older A332s are pretty much dedicated to domestic already. Pre-pandemic, they were often seen on routes such as SYD-CGK, SYD-MNL and MEL-SIN but lately have not been doing many international runs apart from the occasional PER-SIN. These birds are all around 20 years old so could be expected to leave the fleet in the next couple of years along with the oldest of the VX* series 738s. It appears that the initial batch of XLRs will be configured with domestic J recliners (based on published seat-count) so will concentrate on replacing the older domestic fleet mentioned above.

It is possible that QF will also announce an order for some more 789s to partially renew the medium haul international fleet as some of the A333 fleet approach 20 years also. It will be interesting to see if a medium haul 789 fleet has a less premium heavy configuration than the current QF 789s which have some of the lowest seat-counts of any 789 worldwide.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:02 am

tullamarine wrote:
By the iPad A332, I assume you mean the original Cityflyer birds that never had IFE installed in Y. From memory, at least one of these (EBE) is up for conversion to freight. These older A332s are pretty much dedicated to domestic already. Pre-pandemic, they were often seen on routes such as SYD-CGK, SYD-MNL and MEL-SIN but lately have not been doing many international runs apart from the occasional PER-SIN.


I'm booked on a QF20 MNL-SYD service in November and got an aircraft change notification ping the other day from ExpertFlyer. They've replaced the original "international" A332 to a "domestic" config aircraft. I.e. Only one lav up front for the whole J cabin (and cockpit crew) to share and the slightly unpleasant row 8 middle seats which almost sit between the row 23 Y window pairs.

Do all of those birds (EBA - EBL) have iPad IFE or are some of them equiped with in-seat systems? I've lost track of which frames were which from the days of Cityflyer middle seats in J and some of them being with JQ for a while I believe.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:44 am

cx777fan wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
By the iPad A332, I assume you mean the original Cityflyer birds that never had IFE installed in Y. From memory, at least one of these (EBE) is up for conversion to freight. These older A332s are pretty much dedicated to domestic already. Pre-pandemic, they were often seen on routes such as SYD-CGK, SYD-MNL and MEL-SIN but lately have not been doing many international runs apart from the occasional PER-SIN.


I'm booked on a QF20 MNL-SYD service in November and got an aircraft change notification ping the other day from ExpertFlyer. They've replaced the original "international" A332 to a "domestic" config aircraft. I.e. Only one lav up front for the whole J cabin (and cockpit crew) to share and the slightly unpleasant row 8 middle seats which almost sit between the row 23 Y window pairs.

Do all of those birds (EBA - EBL) have iPad IFE or are some of them equiped with in-seat systems? I've lost track of which frames were which from the days of Cityflyer middle seats in J and some of them being with JQ for a while I believe.


I just flew EBA last Saturday SYD-DRW and it was iPad ife.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:36 pm

cx777fan wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Do all of those birds (EBA - EBL) have iPad IFE or are some of them equiped with in-seat systems? I've lost track of which frames were which from the days of Cityflyer middle seats in J and some of them being with JQ for a while I believe.


EBA/B/C/D/E/F/J/K all have iPads, while EBG/L have IFE I believe as they were international birds (with Skybeds) before reconfiguration.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:49 pm

ben175 wrote:
cx777fan wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Do all of those birds (EBA - EBL) have iPad IFE or are some of them equiped with in-seat systems? I've lost track of which frames were which from the days of Cityflyer middle seats in J and some of them being with JQ for a while I believe.


EBA/B/C/D/E/F/J/K all have iPads, while EBG/L have IFE I believe as they were international birds (with Skybeds) before reconfiguration.


Flew on EBG recently - iPads only, I’m afraid.
The interior is identical to the rest of the shorter-haul A330-200 fleet.
 
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Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:58 pm

Do all of those birds (EBA - EBL) have iPad IFE or are some of them equiped with in-seat systems? I've lost track of which frames were which from the days of Cityflyer middle seats in J and some of them being with JQ for a while I believe.


The original Cityflyer fleet was only 4 A332s EBA-EBD. These were A330-201s and were supposedly fitted with a lesser floor strength that meant they could not have Skybeds installed.

These 4 A332s along with EBJ and EBK (A330-202s) were transferred to JQ when it began operating A332s internationally. EBE and EBF were delivered directly to JQ. When the 788s arrived, all of these were transferred back to QF mainline.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:28 pm

tsurumaru wrote:
ben175 wrote:
cx777fan wrote:


EBA/B/C/D/E/F/J/K all have iPads, while EBG/L have IFE I believe as they were international birds (with Skybeds) before reconfiguration.


Flew on EBG recently - iPads only, I’m afraid.
The interior is identical to the rest of the shorter-haul A330-200 fleet.


Oh interesting, for some reason I thought they had kept the IFE system in Y during reconfiguration. My bad!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:11 am

Effective 27 March 23 Qantas will increase MEL-SIN from 7 weekly to 13 weekly

Daily QF35/36 A332 operating
6 weekly QF37/38 789 operating

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220816-qfns23melsin
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:37 am

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Effective 27 March 23 Qantas will increase MEL-SIN from 7 weekly to 13 weekly

Daily QF35/36 A332 operating
6 weekly QF37/38 789 operating

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220816-qfns23melsin

Interesting to see QF37/38 ramping up again and becoming a 789. I assume this is to make it possible to operate a W service connecting with QF1 in SIN. Pre-pandemic QF35/36 was an A380. These moves suggest it is very unlikely that it will ever come back to that.

I assume that MEL-LAX will soon become an A380 again. If it doesn't, it is hard to see QF persisting with a First Class Lounge in MEL in the medium term.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:42 am

tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Effective 27 March 23 Qantas will increase MEL-SIN from 7 weekly to 13 weekly

Daily QF35/36 A332 operating
6 weekly QF37/38 789 operating

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220816-qfns23melsin

Interesting to see QF37/38 ramping up again and becoming a 789. I assume this is to make it possible to operate a W service connecting with QF1 in SIN. Pre-pandemic QF35/36 was an A380. These moves suggest it is very unlikely that it will ever come back to that.

I assume that MEL-LAX will soon become an A380 again. If it doesn't, it is hard to see QF persisting with a First Class Lounge in MEL in the medium term.


MEL-LAX will see A380 return in December
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:54 am

tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Effective 27 March 23 Qantas will increase MEL-SIN from 7 weekly to 13 weekly

Daily QF35/36 A332 operating
6 weekly QF37/38 789 operating

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220816-qfns23melsin

Interesting to see QF37/38 ramping up again and becoming a 789. I assume this is to make it possible to operate a W service connecting with QF1 in SIN. Pre-pandemic QF35/36 was an A380. These moves suggest it is very unlikely that it will ever come back to that.

I assume that MEL-LAX will soon become an A380 again. If it doesn't, it is hard to see QF persisting with a First Class Lounge in MEL in the medium term.


I think the first lounge would stay even if they dont offer first class services. The A380 might become seasonal on MEL-SIN but probably not year round.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:46 am

Anyone know why the international schedules on the QF website after October have seen most departure time shift by 1min? Example a flight that was departing at 11:35 now shows as 11:36
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:52 am

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Anyone know why the international schedules on the QF website after October have seen most departure time shift by 1min? Example a flight that was departing at 11:35 now shows as 11:36


To cater for the 1 min work stoppages that the QF engineers have proposed? :lol:
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:10 am

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Anyone know why the international schedules on the QF website after October have seen most departure time shift by 1min? Example a flight that was departing at 11:35 now shows as 11:36

I wonder if pax will receive an email from QF saying there has been an itinerary change. I recently received one for a 10 minute change in departure time which I thought was a bit of overkill.
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:31 am

tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Effective 27 March 23 Qantas will increase MEL-SIN from 7 weekly to 13 weekly

Daily QF35/36 A332 operating
6 weekly QF37/38 789 operating

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220816-qfns23melsin

Interesting to see QF37/38 ramping up again and becoming a 789. I assume this is to make it possible to operate a W service connecting with QF1 in SIN. Pre-pandemic QF35/36 was an A380. These moves suggest it is very unlikely that it will ever come back to that.

I assume that MEL-LAX will soon become an A380 again. If it doesn't, it is hard to see QF persisting with a First Class Lounge in MEL in the medium term.


Is this possible with a 789 delivery? Otherwise where is the aircraft coming from?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:33 am

tullamarine wrote:
vhebb wrote:
Anyone know why the international schedules on the QF website after October have seen most departure time shift by 1min? Example a flight that was departing at 11:35 now shows as 11:36

I wonder if pax will receive an email from QF saying there has been an itinerary change. I recently received one for a 10 minute change in departure time which I thought was a bit of overkill.


Yes, I'm booked to JNB and received the email for the 1 minute change, slight overkill.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:36 am

smi0006 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Effective 27 March 23 Qantas will increase MEL-SIN from 7 weekly to 13 weekly

Daily QF35/36 A332 operating
6 weekly QF37/38 789 operating

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220816-qfns23melsin

Interesting to see QF37/38 ramping up again and becoming a 789. I assume this is to make it possible to operate a W service connecting with QF1 in SIN. Pre-pandemic QF35/36 was an A380. These moves suggest it is very unlikely that it will ever come back to that.

I assume that MEL-LAX will soon become an A380 again. If it doesn't, it is hard to see QF persisting with a First Class Lounge in MEL in the medium term.


Is this possible with a 789 delivery? Otherwise where is the aircraft coming from?


It takes effect for the NS, probably an aircraft freed up somewhere as more A380s return? Likely MEL-LAX goes daily A380 I would think. Possibly MEL-SIN goes A380 for NE23/24 when the 789 can go elsewhere?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:43 am

QF could possibly (finally) start BNE-ORD in 23/24? freeing up the x3 A330s currently operating 11x BNE-LAX (recently increased from Daily not long ago).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:54 am

qf789 wrote:
Effective 27 March 23 Qantas will increase MEL-SIN from 7 weekly to 13 weekly

Daily QF35/36 A332 operating
6 weekly QF37/38 789 operating

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220816-qfns23melsin

Any ideas on what route this 789 is coming from to be made available for MEL-SIN?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:15 am

After years of delays, the Airport Line to/through Perth Airport opens on October 9th.

https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/P ... -Link.aspx

Fares will be standard network fares.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:25 am

Any ideas of when/if Virgin will restart tasman flights to AKL, WLG and CHC?
The fare currently charged by NZ and QF or horrifically obscene
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:31 am

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QF could possibly (finally) start BNE-ORD in 23/24? freeing up the x3 A330s currently operating 11x BNE-LAX (recently increased from Daily not long ago).


How would BNE-ORD free up 3 A330s? It might free up 1 if BNE-LAX drops back to 1 daily.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:57 am

myki wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Effective 27 March 23 Qantas will increase MEL-SIN from 7 weekly to 13 weekly

Daily QF35/36 A332 operating
6 weekly QF37/38 789 operating

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220816-qfns23melsin

Any ideas on what route this 789 is coming from to be made available for MEL-SIN?


Its probably coming from one of the 789's that should be delivered in the coming months, with Qantas full year results announced next week hopefully some more information on when those 3 787's will be delivered
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:24 am

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Any ideas of when/if Virgin will restart tasman flights to AKL, WLG and CHC?
The fare currently charged by NZ and QF or horrifically obscene

I don't think they are particularly interested in restarting trunk trans-Tasman routes. They will only ever be a minnow on these routes which will mean they will be forced into a price-taking position. This is never a great idea particularly when you have a hugely profitable domestic franchise duopoly where you can better direct your efforts.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:26 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
QF could possibly (finally) start BNE-ORD in 23/24? freeing up the x3 A330s currently operating 11x BNE-LAX (recently increased from Daily not long ago).


How would BNE-ORD free up 3 A330s? It might free up 1 if BNE-LAX drops back to 1 daily.


The A330s gets moved elsewhere (Asia/more India?) as the A380s come online to free up the 787s, plus the 3 787s still stored with Boeing that is yet be delivered.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:44 am

SCFlyer wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
QF could possibly (finally) start BNE-ORD in 23/24? freeing up the x3 A330s currently operating 11x BNE-LAX (recently increased from Daily not long ago).


How would BNE-ORD free up 3 A330s? It might free up 1 if BNE-LAX drops back to 1 daily.


The A330s gets moved elsewhere (Asia/more India?) as the A380s come online to free up the 787s, plus the 3 787s still stored with Boeing that is yet be delivered.

Not sure how sending more A330s to Asia or India would free up any A380s or 789s given there aren't dedicated to Asia currently. In fact, QF has added a 789 to Asia today with its QF37 announcement. This can only be explained by QF finally receiving the 3 789s out of the desert.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:48 am

tullamarine wrote:
Not sure how sending more A330s to Asia or India would free up any A380s or 789s given there aren't dedicated to Asia currently. In fact, QF has added a 789 to Asia today with its QF37 announcement. This can only be explained by QF finally receiving the 3 789s out of the desert.


Boeing has just restarted deliveries of the backlog of 787's, so it is feasible that QF now have a delivery scheduled to work towards with receiving their 3 outstanding 789's.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:51 am

F100Flyer wrote:
After years of delays, the Airport Line to/through Perth Airport opens on October 9th.

https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/P ... -Link.aspx

Fares will be standard network fares.


God I wish SYD would charge standard network fares! Hopefully MEL does!!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:52 am

qf789 wrote:
myki wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Effective 27 March 23 Qantas will increase MEL-SIN from 7 weekly to 13 weekly

Daily QF35/36 A332 operating
6 weekly QF37/38 789 operating

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220816-qfns23melsin

Any ideas on what route this 789 is coming from to be made available for MEL-SIN?


Its probably coming from one of the 789's that should be delivered in the coming months, with Qantas full year results announced next week hopefully some more information on when those 3 787's will be delivered


Agreed - I hope we see a small top up order for 3-4 plus some options! Keep up the P2P Long-Haul expansion we saw before covid, and FCO/CDG.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:25 am

smi0006 wrote:
F100Flyer wrote:
After years of delays, the Airport Line to/through Perth Airport opens on October 9th.

https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/P ... -Link.aspx

Fares will be standard network fares.


God I wish SYD would charge standard network fares! Hopefully MEL does!!

MEL will not be charged at standard network fares. At this stage, it looks like he rail link to MEL will be no cheaper and no faster than the existing Skybus which makes you wonder why we bother at all.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:28 am

Currently QF789s for NW are scheduled on the following week Dec 12th.

MEL-PER-LHR daily 3 aircraft
MEL-LAX 4 weekly 1
MEL-DFW 4 weekly 1
SYD-DFW Daily 2
SYD-JNB daily 1.5
SYD-SCL 4 weekly 1
SYD-SFO 5 weekly 1.5
SYD-YVR 3 weekly 1
SYD-AKL daily .5 ( runs between long haul)

Uses around 12 aircraft so MEL-SIN could be a new delivery, also PER-FCO is scheduled to return in June 2023 so there will be movement in where aircraft are scheduled seasonally.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:34 am

tullamarine wrote:
vhebb wrote:
Anyone know why the international schedules on the QF website after October have seen most departure time shift by 1min? Example a flight that was departing at 11:35 now shows as 11:36

I wonder if pax will receive an email from QF saying there has been an itinerary change. I recently received one for a 10 minute change in departure time which I thought was a bit of overkill.


I got one for my 1min shift and rebooking notice for QF7 in December. Qantas got me, I requested and upgrade for DRW-SYD on Saturday a f thought the email was for that
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:45 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
Currently QF789s for NW are scheduled on the following week Dec 12th.

MEL-PER-LHR daily 3 aircraft
MEL-LAX 4 weekly 1
MEL-DFW 4 weekly 1
SYD-DFW Daily 2
SYD-JNB daily 1.5
SYD-SCL 4 weekly 1
SYD-SFO 5 weekly 1.5
SYD-YVR 3 weekly 1
SYD-AKL daily .5 ( runs between long haul)

Uses around 12 aircraft so MEL-SIN could be a new delivery, also PER-FCO is scheduled to return in June 2023 so there will be movement in where aircraft are scheduled seasonally.



*MEL-PER-LHR daily is ~2 hulls.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:13 pm

ADDICT4QF wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Currently QF789s for NW are scheduled on the following week Dec 12th.

MEL-PER-LHR daily 3 aircraft
MEL-LAX 4 weekly 1
MEL-DFW 4 weekly 1
SYD-DFW Daily 2
SYD-JNB daily 1.5
SYD-SCL 4 weekly 1
SYD-SFO 5 weekly 1.5
SYD-YVR 3 weekly 1
SYD-AKL daily .5 ( runs between long haul)

Uses around 12 aircraft so MEL-SIN could be a new delivery, also PER-FCO is scheduled to return in June 2023 so there will be movement in where aircraft are scheduled seasonally.



*MEL-PER-LHR daily is ~2 hulls.


QF9 departs at 3:15pm and QF10 arrives around 3-4 hours later, so it's more like 2.5 frames.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:27 pm

ben175 wrote:
ADDICT4QF wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Currently QF789s for NW are scheduled on the following week Dec 12th.

MEL-PER-LHR daily 3 aircraft
MEL-LAX 4 weekly 1
MEL-DFW 4 weekly 1
SYD-DFW Daily 2
SYD-JNB daily 1.5
SYD-SCL 4 weekly 1
SYD-SFO 5 weekly 1.5
SYD-YVR 3 weekly 1
SYD-AKL daily .5 ( runs between long haul)

Uses around 12 aircraft so MEL-SIN could be a new delivery, also PER-FCO is scheduled to return in June 2023 so there will be movement in where aircraft are scheduled seasonally.



*MEL-PER-LHR daily is ~2 hulls.


QF9 departs at 3:15pm and QF10 arrives around 3-4 hours later, so it's more like 2.5 frames.


Coupled with DFW and LAX, it's a total of four frames for MEL-PER-LHR and MEL-LAX/DFW.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:24 pm

Fuling wrote:
ben175 wrote:
ADDICT4QF wrote:


*MEL-PER-LHR daily is ~2 hulls.


QF9 departs at 3:15pm and QF10 arrives around 3-4 hours later, so it's more like 2.5 frames.


Coupled with DFW and LAX, it's a total of four frames for MEL-PER-LHR and MEL-LAX/DFW.


It was 4, the DFW/LAX flights depart before LHR-PER arrives now so you need an extra frame.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:53 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
Fuling wrote:
ben175 wrote:

QF9 departs at 3:15pm and QF10 arrives around 3-4 hours later, so it's more like 2.5 frames.


Coupled with DFW and LAX, it's a total of four frames for MEL-PER-LHR and MEL-LAX/DFW.


It was 4, the DFW/LAX flights depart before LHR-PER arrives now so you need an extra frame.


QF10 turns around as QF93 on the current schedule, not sure if this changes when DFW commences.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:18 am

Qantas SYD-HKG will return at earliest on 7 Nov 22, daily A333

MEL-HKG is scheduled to return on 26 March 23, at this stage though subject to change

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220817-qfnw22hkg
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