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New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:37 am

Welcome to the New Zealand aviation thread August 2022.

Link to July viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1474293
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:14 pm

DavidByrne wrote:
The thing is, though, that many, many places are further from an airport than 120 minutes. We can't build airports to suit everyone, and I honestly don't think we should try - or even use this as an argument. If people choose, for whatever reason, to live in locations which have poor access to air travel, so be it. Or am I being unduly harsh?


Yes David that is right, the point which has been missed is our largest metropolitan center is growing outwards at an rapid rate. It was only just over a decade ago where the Hibiscus Coast was considered a beach settlement on the outskirts of Auckland. Look at it now, developments of Millwater, Milldale and Pacific Heights make is just another suburb of the North Shore. That title is now pushed further North to Warkworth/Snells Beach/Omaha and there's already talk of the motorway extending further North to include Wellsford. The same applies out west, Kumeu was once fill of strawberry fields and lifestyle blocks now it's medium density urban developemen and SH16 is being redirected to bypass the center of town.

So while we can't have an airport within 120min of everyone and nor should we try. The question was around securing land so in 20-30 years once the North and North West have an extra 100,000+ residents, who will likely be middle to upper class they don't have to travel across a long narrow city to get to the airport. I mean how would AKL work for them, especially for domestic day trips given it's at the Southern side of the inner city area with two motorway arterials which are almost at capacity during daylight hours now.

A second airport doesn't have to be at the scale of SWZ. Heck It could be ROT/NPE/PMR.

As for the 120minute comment. Isn't this the whole argument for why PPQ should be an airport?

What I suspect will happen and it may not be in my lifetime is we'll be looking for something and asking question once it's needed and everyone will point the finger.. aka CHC stadium, second harbor crossing, rail in AKL, most roading projects
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:18 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
Air NZ has a level of elite flyer that’s limited to 100 CEO selected individuals, with secret invite only lounges in Auckland and Sydney.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300 ... ible-perks


EP1; Been around for years hardly top secret. In fact well known amongst the top HVC group.

Funny how Stuff find something our report it as 'news' when it's just something that isn't promoted or talked about as most people will never get close. Some of these members travel daily or busines class long-haul weekly.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:23 pm

DavidByrne wrote:
Don't disagree in principle, but if you're looking to prioritise "public good" it's hard to establish proper accountability to the public if it's under any form of private ownership, even a pension fund. Their view of what "public good" means may absolutely not relate to the public's view. Just sayin' . . .


While you might be referring the the Clark government's decision on AIAL this issue wouldn't apply to any future private ownership for a secondary airport as AIAL would provide the competition needed.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:20 pm

I think the bigger point is IVC and DUD might not be usable in the future, Tarra’s with proper infrastructure, ie electrified rail to the population centres it would service makes a lot of sense.

If CIAL really wants this to go ahead getting Ngai Tahu involved would get it done.


That would be a very unlikely scenario of both IVC and DUD airports becoming both unusable. Plus they are so far away from Tarras the cost and benefit ratio of building a brand new electric rail line it's also highly marginal. NZ would more likely spend money on Light rail for Auckland where there is an established market than spending on sparesly populated areas of Otago.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:44 am

NASA747 from Christchurch https://fr24.com/NASA747/2cf8a8e6

The NASA 747 just flew very low over the Christchurch City. It's farewell flight is scheduled for Thursday the 11th of August.

https://www.christchurchairport.co.nz/a ... -few-days/
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:37 am

Bit quiet this month.

UA service is now showing 777 on NZ booking engine, I’m picking 77W for NW but not confirmed, instead of 781.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:41 am

Interesting to see CI return to the TPE-BNE-AKL route (3x weekly) while maintaining non-stop TPE-AKL flights too (fortnightly). I wonder how long non-stop flights will last.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220809-ci4q22auoz
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:45 am

planemanofnz wrote:
Interesting to see CI return to the TPE-BNE-AKL route (3x weekly) while maintaining non-stop TPE-AKL flights too (fortnightly). I wonder how long non-stop flights will last.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220809-ci4q22auoz


Was just going to post that. I am surprised at the return of BNE-AKL tbh, CI have said AKL is difficult from a utilisation perspective, longer sector lengths require a longer ground time and uses more than 1 aircraft if daily, via BNE gives good utilisation and offers overnight ex BNE in both directions. Hopefully will bring Tasman fares down a bit.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:02 pm

Tonight's severn sharp had a great story of getting a 77W from the desert to the sky. In the story they mention ZK-OKP will be next into service in September.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/seven-shar ... to-the-sky
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:39 pm

NZ6 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
Air NZ has a level of elite flyer that’s limited to 100 CEO selected individuals, with secret invite only lounges in Auckland and Sydney.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300 ... ible-perks


EP1; Been around for years hardly top secret. In fact well known amongst the top HVC group.

Funny how Stuff find something our report it as 'news' when it's just something that isn't promoted or talked about as most people will never get close. Some of these members travel daily or busines class long-haul weekly.


Agreed. And most people don’t know about it and have never heard of it. That’s why it’s news.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:33 am

United switch to the 777-200 from the 787-10 on their SFO to AKL service.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220810-uaoct22akl
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:18 am

I note NZ are in the process of updating NW schedules now, looks to be a lot of flights to the Islands for summer DEC JAN peak. We will see what is confirmed in the coming days or week or so.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:35 am

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220810-nznw22sfo

77W to SFO In NW. Not surprising, but only 4 weekly at this stage.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:36 am

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220810-nznw22icn

NZ to ICN to operate 4 weekly in NW from Dec-early Feb.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:39 am

Great to see NZ boosting AKL-ICN to 4x weekly, and holding their own against KE. Seems it would have a good mix of business, VFR, tourist and cargo demand. Hopefully we'll see the route go daily at some point.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:59 am

Be prepared to see schedule reductions for the next 6 months due to sickness and staffing forecasts.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:59 am

I see the latest update from Andrew Curran at Simple Flying says all 7 NZ 77W are returning to service with OKP being prepared to return to AKL at present and the remaining aircraft at Victorville expected over the coming few months.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:02 am

NZ321 wrote:
I see the latest update from Andrew Curran at Simple Flying says all 7 NZ 77W are returning to service with OKP being prepared to return to AKL at present and the remaining aircraft at Victorville expected over the coming few months.


That’s not entirely correct. A VCV aircraft will arrive at the end of this month with the remainder returning in the following 12 months.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:35 am

NZ321 wrote:
I see the latest update from Andrew Curran at Simple Flying says all 7 NZ 77W are returning to service with OKP being prepared to return to AKL at present and the remaining aircraft at Victorville expected over the coming few months.


I wouldn’t take anything of what they say as fact really. Not sure weather OKO is leaving in January as originally planned?
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:35 am

NZ321 wrote:
I see the latest update from Andrew Curran at Simple Flying says all 7 NZ 77W are returning to service with OKP being prepared to return to AKL at present and the remaining aircraft at Victorville expected over the coming few months.


I wouldn’t take anything of what they say as fact really. Not sure weather OKO is leaving in January as originally planned?
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:45 am

NZ801 wrote:
Be prepared to see schedule reductions for the next 6 months due to sickness and staffing forecasts.


Interesting, there looks to be what I would say record numbers of flights to the islands for summer.l just loaded plus Tasman increases ex AKL at least.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:02 pm

Will be interesting to see if NZ bring back AKL-DPS next winter? It’s been one of the routes that NZ has been pretty silent on? Have they offically plugged the plug on DPS?
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:42 pm

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Will be interesting to see if NZ bring back AKL-DPS next winter? It’s been one of the routes that NZ has been pretty silent on? Have they offically plugged the plug on DPS?
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It did pretty well, I can’t imagine it won’t come back all things being well, not sure where Indonesia is at now but DPS wouldn’t have been a priority this year.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:27 pm

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Will be interesting to see if NZ bring back AKL-DPS next winter? It’s been one of the routes that NZ has been pretty silent on? Have they offically plugged the plug on DPS?
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Not officially but I wouldn’t hold your breath.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:52 pm

NZ801 wrote:
zkncj wrote:
Will be interesting to see if NZ bring back AKL-DPS next winter? It’s been one of the routes that NZ has been pretty silent on? Have they offically plugged the plug on DPS?
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Not officially but I wouldn’t hold your breath.


Could boil down to more lack of crew than lack of aircraft to stop the return to DPS.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:25 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
zkncj wrote:
Will be interesting to see if NZ bring back AKL-DPS next winter? It’s been one of the routes that NZ has been pretty silent on? Have they offically plugged the plug on DPS?
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It did pretty well, I can’t imagine it won’t come back all things being well, not sure where Indonesia is at now but DPS wouldn’t have been a priority this year.


I’m currently up in Bali had to do the pick an mix of flights to get here from AKL, I would say things are currently around 80% of pre-covid in the main tourism area’s. There are a few closed down shops and restaurants around, but a lot of restaurants and shops have started to fully reopen over the last month. Along with an bunch of new restaurants opening up / have just had a full refund. It does feel pretty busy again, with half of Australia currently here :)

I’d think it must be a crewing limitation? They surely could make it work 2-3x weekly with current aircraft.
A a321NEO could do it via SYD or BNE, rather than a aircraft overnighting in SYD or BNE.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:34 pm

zkncj wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
zkncj wrote:
Will be interesting to see if NZ bring back AKL-DPS next winter? It’s been one of the routes that NZ has been pretty silent on? Have they offically plugged the plug on DPS?
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It did pretty well, I can’t imagine it won’t come back all things being well, not sure where Indonesia is at now but DPS wouldn’t have been a priority this year.


I’m currently up in Bali had to do the pick an mix of flights to get here from AKL, I would say things are currently around 80% of pre-covid in the main tourism area’s. There are a few closed down shops and restaurants around, but a lot of restaurants and shops have started to fully reopen over the last month. Along with an bunch of new restaurants opening up / have just had a full refund. It does feel pretty busy again, with half of Australia currently here :)

I’d think it must be a crewing limitation? They surely could make it work 2-3x weekly with current aircraft.
A a321NEO could do it via SYD or BNE, rather than a aircraft overnighting in SYD or BNE.


Not really sure what the limiting factors were this year. Crew and aircraft, I think more pressing routes this year like the US and Tasman, HNL is an outbound market and that is only 3 weekly started only a month ago, it was daily in winter pre covid.

Going via Australia wouldn’t give any advantage and again they probably wouldn’t have enough crew even if there was enough aircraft time overnight.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:58 pm

NZ516 wrote:
NZ801 wrote:
zkncj wrote:
Will be interesting to see if NZ bring back AKL-DPS next winter? It’s been one of the routes that NZ has been pretty silent on? Have they offically plugged the plug on DPS?
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Not officially but I wouldn’t hold your breath.


Could boil down to more lack of crew than lack of aircraft to stop the return to DPS.


It’s got more to do with the lack of money being made on the route.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:17 pm

NZ801 wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
NZ801 wrote:

Not officially but I wouldn’t hold your breath.


Could boil down to more lack of crew than lack of aircraft to stop the return to DPS.


It’s got more to do with the lack of money being made on the route.


Interesting, probably very little cargo demand to DPS so an near empty 787 hold is not making much revenue. It would suit a A321LR type operation with lower running costs.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:57 pm

Air NZ reduces flight schedule by 15% to cope with record levels of staff sickness. This may help to reduce the high cancellation rate of flying.
Also in the story Air NZ is looking into leasing an extra wide body aircraft with crew for the up coming summer season.
Perhaps the Eva Air 77W will return.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300 ... f-sickness
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:59 pm

NZ516 wrote:
NZ801 wrote:
NZ516 wrote:

Could boil down to more lack of crew than lack of aircraft to stop the return to DPS.


It’s got more to do with the lack of money being made on the route.


Interesting, probably very little cargo demand to DPS so an near empty 787 hold is not making much revenue. It would suit a A321LR type operation with lower running costs.


Outbound leisure market, higher yields elsewhere and given the current climate DPS isn’t high in the list of priorities. Yes probably not much freight to DPS I’m guessing either but not sure that affected the decision here to not fly there this year at least.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:07 am

NZ516 wrote:
Air NZ reduces flight schedule by 15% to cope with record levels of staff sickness. This may help to reduce the high cancellation rate of flying.
Also in the story Air NZ is looking into leasing an extra wide body aircraft with crew for the up coming summer season.
Perhaps the Eva Air 77W will return.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300 ... f-sickness


It’s 1.5%.

I doubt they will get a crewed aircraft from a mainline airline, there are shortages worldwide, more likely Hifly or something like that again.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:15 am

https://www.cookislandsnews.com/interna ... a-flights/

Additional flights to RAR, NOV-April.

I believe similar for APW/NAN/TBU as well.
 
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:20 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
Air NZ reduces flight schedule by 15% to cope with record levels of staff sickness. This may help to reduce the high cancellation rate of flying.
Also in the story Air NZ is looking into leasing an extra wide body aircraft with crew for the up coming summer season.
Perhaps the Eva Air 77W will return.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300 ... f-sickness


It’s 1.5%.

I doubt they will get a crewed aircraft from a mainline airline, there are shortages worldwide, more likely Hifly or something like that again.


Thanks for the correction I didn't even notice a decimal point in the number. So the decrease is only a minor one.
HiFly could be a goer perhaps they will bring a A340 down here.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:33 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
NZ801 wrote:

It’s got more to do with the lack of money being made on the route.


Interesting, probably very little cargo demand to DPS so an near empty 787 hold is not making much revenue. It would suit a A321LR type operation with lower running costs.


Outbound leisure market, higher yields elsewhere and given the current climate DPS isn’t high in the list of priorities. Yes probably not much freight to DPS I’m guessing either but not sure that affected the decision here to not fly there this year at least.


Indeed as seasonal routes struggle especially with the much higher cost base airline operating environment we are now in. Alex Maren COO of Air NZ mentioned recently that they need a higher load factor to break even up to 90%. Plus with both holds full so cargo down below and pax on top is the only way forward to return to a profitable business. I can see why Seoul is getting an increase in capacity being a higher cargo demand and strong pax route for Air NZ.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:55 am

NZ516 wrote:
NZ801 wrote:
NZ516 wrote:

Could boil down to more lack of crew than lack of aircraft to stop the return to DPS.


It’s got more to do with the lack of money being made on the route.


Interesting, probably very little cargo demand to DPS so an near empty 787 hold is not making much revenue. It would suit a A321LR type operation with lower running costs.

NZ has said it is "looking to" return to DPS in 2023.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/bali- ... LR7BDQ4FU/

I wonder if EK will return to DXB-DPS-AKL at some point too, helping to maintain and recover its capacity at AKL? It would be a bit disappointing if the new 'normal' post-COVID was just a single daily EK flight to AKL.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:13 am

planemanofnz wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
NZ801 wrote:

It’s got more to do with the lack of money being made on the route.


Interesting, probably very little cargo demand to DPS so an near empty 787 hold is not making much revenue. It would suit a A321LR type operation with lower running costs.

NZ has said it is "looking to" return to DPS in 2023.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/bali- ... LR7BDQ4FU/

I wonder if EK will return to DXB-DPS-AKL at some point too, helping to maintain and recover its capacity at AKL? It would be a bit disappointing if the new 'normal' post-COVID was just a single daily EK flight to AKL.


I would expect NZ to return to DPS when they have the capacity to do so, hopefully in NS 2023.

I’m not convinced EK will return to DPS-AKL, great in winter when there is a lot of outbound traffic ex AKL, they often reduced in summer, I wonder if they will keep KUL or try for BKK again, perhaps even SIN?
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:23 am

planemanofnz wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
NZ801 wrote:

It’s got more to do with the lack of money being made on the route.


Interesting, probably very little cargo demand to DPS so an near empty 787 hold is not making much revenue. It would suit a A321LR type operation with lower running costs.

NZ has said it is "looking to" return to DPS in 2023.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/bali- ... LR7BDQ4FU/

I wonder if EK will return to DXB-DPS-AKL at some point too, helping to maintain and recover its capacity at AKL? It would be a bit disappointing if the new 'normal' post-COVID was just a single daily EK flight to AKL.


I do wonder how well AkL-DPS yielded for EK? They would often have 2k return fares in Business Class on this route. Which at 8-9hrs overnight was an no brained, and the low on ground costs in Bali.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:37 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
NZ516 wrote:

Interesting, probably very little cargo demand to DPS so an near empty 787 hold is not making much revenue. It would suit a A321LR type operation with lower running costs.

NZ has said it is "looking to" return to DPS in 2023.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/bali- ... LR7BDQ4FU/

I wonder if EK will return to DXB-DPS-AKL at some point too, helping to maintain and recover its capacity at AKL? It would be a bit disappointing if the new 'normal' post-COVID was just a single daily EK flight to AKL.


I would expect NZ to return to DPS when they have the capacity to do so, hopefully in NS 2023.

I’m not convinced EK will return to DPS-AKL, great in winter when there is a lot of outbound traffic ex AKL, they often reduced in summer, I wonder if they will keep KUL or try for BKK again, perhaps even SIN?

Does EK have local traffic rights for SIN and KUL-AKL though, like they do for DPS and Australia-AKL?
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:47 am

planemanofnz wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
NZ has said it is "looking to" return to DPS in 2023.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/bali- ... LR7BDQ4FU/

I wonder if EK will return to DXB-DPS-AKL at some point too, helping to maintain and recover its capacity at AKL? It would be a bit disappointing if the new 'normal' post-COVID was just a single daily EK flight to AKL.


I would expect NZ to return to DPS when they have the capacity to do so, hopefully in NS 2023.

I’m not convinced EK will return to DPS-AKL, great in winter when there is a lot of outbound traffic ex AKL, they often reduced in summer, I wonder if they will keep KUL or try for BKK again, perhaps even SIN?

Does EK have local traffic rights for SIN and KUL-AKL though, like they do for DPS and Australia-AKL?


Not sure tbh, i wouldn’t think it would be to difficult to obtain, I gather they wanted BKK-AKL and didn’t get ‘slots’ whatever that means, I’m presuming good landing time at BKK?
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:59 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
NZ516 wrote:

Interesting, probably very little cargo demand to DPS so an near empty 787 hold is not making much revenue. It would suit a A321LR type operation with lower running costs.

NZ has said it is "looking to" return to DPS in 2023.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/bali- ... LR7BDQ4FU/

I wonder if EK will return to DXB-DPS-AKL at some point too, helping to maintain and recover its capacity at AKL? It would be a bit disappointing if the new 'normal' post-COVID was just a single daily EK flight to AKL.


I would expect NZ to return to DPS when they have the capacity to do so, hopefully in NS 2023.

I’m not convinced EK will return to DPS-AKL, great in winter when there is a lot of outbound traffic ex AKL, they often reduced in summer, I wonder if they will keep KUL or try for BKK again, perhaps even SIN?


No traffic rights KUL-AKL & v/v, so can't see them keeping that once the direct service starts; if TG don't resume BKK, that'd be worth them considering for sure.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:56 am

NZ321 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
NZ has said it is "looking to" return to DPS in 2023.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/bali- ... LR7BDQ4FU/

I wonder if EK will return to DXB-DPS-AKL at some point too, helping to maintain and recover its capacity at AKL? It would be a bit disappointing if the new 'normal' post-COVID was just a single daily EK flight to AKL.


I would expect NZ to return to DPS when they have the capacity to do so, hopefully in NS 2023.

I’m not convinced EK will return to DPS-AKL, great in winter when there is a lot of outbound traffic ex AKL, they often reduced in summer, I wonder if they will keep KUL or try for BKK again, perhaps even SIN?


No traffic rights KUL-AKL & v/v, so can't see them keeping that once the direct service starts; if TG don't resume BKK, that'd be worth them considering for sure.


I am almost surprised they haven’t got the rights for KUL-AKL given it is still operating for now likely until December.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:40 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

I would expect NZ to return to DPS when they have the capacity to do so, hopefully in NS 2023.

I’m not convinced EK will return to DPS-AKL, great in winter when there is a lot of outbound traffic ex AKL, they often reduced in summer, I wonder if they will keep KUL or try for BKK again, perhaps even SIN?


No traffic rights KUL-AKL & v/v, so can't see them keeping that once the direct service starts; if TG don't resume BKK, that'd be worth them considering for sure.


I am almost surprised they haven’t got the rights for KUL-AKL given it is still operating for now likely until December.


As was I. I flew AKL-KUL-DXB just a couple of weeks ago. What surprised me was the landing announcements in KUL implicitly acting like people were disembarking, e.g., “if you are staying with us to Dubai” (the “if” implying there was another option). However nobody left the aircraft but about a dozen or so joined in KUL. Obviously, nobody allowed to leave the aircraft during the stopover. What was fun was the full cleaning crew, crew change, and catering service experience happening with everybody onboard.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:36 pm

ZKNCL wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ321 wrote:

No traffic rights KUL-AKL & v/v, so can't see them keeping that once the direct service starts; if TG don't resume BKK, that'd be worth them considering for sure.


I am almost surprised they haven’t got the rights for KUL-AKL given it is still operating for now likely until December.


As was I. I flew AKL-KUL-DXB just a couple of weeks ago. What surprised me was the landing announcements in KUL implicitly acting like people were disembarking, e.g., “if you are staying with us to Dubai” (the “if” implying there was another option). However nobody left the aircraft but about a dozen or so joined in KUL. Obviously, nobody allowed to leave the aircraft during the stopover. What was fun was the full cleaning crew, crew change, and catering service experience happening with everybody onboard.


That would be interesting to watch it must get crowded in the cabin with all the extra people. When the cleaners come round with the vacuum they will ask you. "Sir can you lift up your legs so I can vacuum under your seat please". At least they are thorough!!!. It's almost better to disembark and wait in the departure gate if its like a two hour stopover easier for all the cleaning staff and the passengers can stretch their legs a bit.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:02 pm

Air NZ is considering bringing back their China based cabin crew to operate more flights. They are hoping to relieve the staff shortages affecting the company.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/129558 ... t-of-a-job
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:13 pm

NZ516 wrote:
Air NZ is considering bringing back their China based cabin crew to operate more flights. They are hoping to relieve the staff shortages affecting the company.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/129558 ... t-of-a-job


Finally they are thinking outside of the box, JQ uses Asian based crews on there 787s and the onboard service is great.

Interesting to see they are advertising in Australia too, maybe they may be willing to base some crew in MEL,SYD or BNE. Often these ports have a early morning flight that requires a overnight (back I the more normal times).

Would make sense if that had some crew that stayed there and did routes like SYD-ZQN-SYD. Which would be reduce there overnight costs etc.

The problem is, we all want cheaper fares and cheaper fares typically mean lower staffing costs. 99.9% of us in New Zealand don’t think twice before buying something made in China. So really does it matter to much if the crew on your AKL-SIN flight etc are from a off shore base?
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:07 am

zkncj wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
Air NZ is considering bringing back their China based cabin crew to operate more flights. They are hoping to relieve the staff shortages affecting the company.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/129558 ... t-of-a-job


Finally they are thinking outside of the box, JQ uses Asian based crews on there 787s and the onboard service is great.

Interesting to see they are advertising in Australia too, maybe they may be willing to base some crew in MEL,SYD or BNE. Often these ports have a early morning flight that requires a overnight (back I the more normal times).

Would make sense if that had some crew that stayed there and did routes like SYD-ZQN-SYD. Which would be reduce there overnight costs etc.

The problem is, we all want cheaper fares and cheaper fares typically mean lower staffing costs. 99.9% of us in New Zealand don’t think twice before buying something made in China. So really does it matter to much if the crew on your AKL-SIN flight etc are from a off shore base?


Indeed it makes sense as like you said Jetstar use Asian crew.
They could do a 5 day pattern before returning home for two days. Eg PVG- AKL - SIN - AKL - ICN - AKL - PVG-.
I don't think they will attract many Australians as they probably will get better paid crew jobs with the Australian carriers.
 
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Re: New Zealand aviation thread - August 2022

Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:45 am

NZ516 wrote:


Indeed it makes sense as like you said Jetstar use Asian crew.
They could do a 5 day pattern before returning home for two days. Eg PVG- AKL - SIN - AKL - ICN - AKL - PVG-.
I don't think they will attract many Australians as they probably will get better paid crew jobs with the Australian carriers.



Wow. I hope you’re not in crew scheduling :lol:

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