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Re: Updated: Air India to lease in 30 aircraft (320/321/777LR)

Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:04 pm

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By the way, does anyone what the plans are to integrate the 3 Tata group airlines domestically?

Best, Subramanian

There seems to be a very high focus on AI from the Tatas v Vistara. Does anyone else see this as an indicator that maybe the UK brand probably goes away and AI gets an upgraded product as it already has a much more substantial international network?

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I believe AI had a same plane HYD-DEL-ORD service pre-pandemic. Or it was at least an international connector.

Yes they did. Have they dropped it post-pandemic schedule? It seems so as AI126/127 no longer shows the DEL-HYD leg on FR24.
 
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Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:41 pm

Hopefully they can manage to take care of these..but i have my doubts
 
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Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:34 pm

subramak1 wrote:

By the way, does anyone what the plans are to integrate the 3 Tata group airlines domestically?

Best, Subramanian


There is nothing in the media nor any statement given from either Tata and Sons, Singapore Airlines Group or Air Asia Group regarding integration.

Unless merger and acquisition transparency requirements in India are different to Australia's, then there must be some discussions going on.
 
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Re: Updated: Air India to lease in 30 aircraft (320/321/777LR)

Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:04 pm

Looks like 5 ex-DL B77Ls are now headed for Air India as lease(?) from Mammoth, with N702DN on its way to Singapore for cabin reconfiguration and repaint before entry into service.
 
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Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:30 pm

MrBryan86 wrote:
Looks like 5 ex-DL B77Ls are now headed for Air India as lease(?) from Mammoth, with N702DN on its way to Singapore for cabin reconfiguration and repaint before entry into service.

They should just retain the interiors and remove DL logo from anywhere inside.
 
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Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:58 pm

MrBryan86 wrote:
Looks like 5 ex-DL B77Ls are now headed for Air India as lease(?) from Mammoth, with N702DN on its way to Singapore for cabin reconfiguration and repaint before entry into service.

Thank you. N702DN and N706DN now have registered owner as JETRAN LLC. I assume three more 777-232LRs will change ownership to JETRAN LLC over time.
 
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:12 am

Air india is (unsurprisingly) getting some really bad reviews for inflight hard product- IFE/Seating etc ( search on twitter air india- and you'll see).
QUESTION: How long does it take for a 773 to be sent for change to seating and IFE and come back to service ( along with other - hopefully not c/d checks) - coudl they expect to take planes of for a week at a time and get them back in- or thats more than a moonshot
 
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:51 am

Sindhuputra wrote:
Air india is (unsurprisingly) getting some really bad reviews for inflight hard product- IFE/Seating etc ( search on twitter air india- and you'll see).
QUESTION: How long does it take for a 773 to be sent for change to seating and IFE and come back to service ( along with other - hopefully not c/d checks) - coudl they expect to take planes of for a week at a time and get them back in- or thats more than a moonshot


The question is that with the current supply chain issues, can AI procure new seats quick enough to have them on these planes without it affecting their operations or their future growth plans?

Because I don’t think the DL B77Ls will get a new completely new seating with AI leasing them on a short term basis. They might just have the logos inside rebranded, but change little else.
 
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Re: Updated: Air India to lease in 30 aircraft (320/321/777LR)

Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:07 am

WestWing wrote:
MrBryan86 wrote:
Looks like 5 ex-DL B77Ls are now headed for Air India as lease(?) from Mammoth, with N702DN on its way to Singapore for cabin reconfiguration and repaint before entry into service.

Thank you. N702DN and N706DN now have registered owner as JETRAN LLC. I assume three more 777-232LRs will change ownership to JETRAN LLC over time.


So Mammoth sold them to Jetran? Will Jetran sell them back to Mammoth when its time to convert them to freighters?
 
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:29 am

flyguy1 wrote:
WestWing wrote:
MrBryan86 wrote:
Looks like 5 ex-DL B77Ls are now headed for Air India as lease(?) from Mammoth, with N702DN on its way to Singapore for cabin reconfiguration and repaint before entry into service.

Thank you. N702DN and N706DN now have registered owner as JETRAN LLC. I assume three more 777-232LRs will change ownership to JETRAN LLC over time.


So Mammoth sold them to Jetran? Will Jetran sell them back to Mammoth when its time to convert them to freighters?

May not necessarily sell back to Mammoth but have an agreement with Mammoth to convert them in the future (Mammoth doesn’t have to own the plane to convert it). Jetran has also bought an exQR 77L and re-registered it to N790MF (I believe it has since been put back on Qatari registry and is back flying for QR due to A350 grounding related shortages) suggesting that Jetran plans on converting it…

Win win for all sides. Mammoth gets some cash from sale, doesn’t have to worry about storage and marketing plane, and still gets a conversion spot filled and paid for in the future- Jetran gets a likely cheap jet, some revenue in the interim, probably a discount on conversion and then a 77LP2F in the future to lease out.
 
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Re: Updated: Air India to lease in 30 aircraft (320/321/777LR)

Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:09 pm

Polot wrote:
flyguy1 wrote:
WestWing wrote:
Thank you. N702DN and N706DN now have registered owner as JETRAN LLC. I assume three more 777-232LRs will change ownership to JETRAN LLC over time.


So Mammoth sold them to Jetran? Will Jetran sell them back to Mammoth when its time to convert them to freighters?

May not necessarily sell back to Mammoth but have an agreement with Mammoth to convert them in the future (Mammoth doesn’t have to own the plane to convert it). Jetran has also bought an exQR 77L and re-registered it to N790MF (I believe it has since been put back on Qatari registry and is back flying for QR due to A350 grounding related shortages) suggesting that Jetran plans on converting it…

Win win for all sides. Mammoth gets some cash from sale, doesn’t have to worry about storage and marketing plane, and still gets a conversion spot filled and paid for in the future- Jetran gets a likely cheap jet, some revenue in the interim, probably a discount on conversion and then a 77LP2F in the future to lease out.


Thanks for the explanation! I wonder if this is the first time an aircraft sold and marked for cargo conversion has been brought back into passenger service instead?
 
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:31 pm

Glad to see the DL 77Ls will continue their lives as passenger aircraft. It would have been a waste to see them converted so soon.
 
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Re: Updated: Air India to lease in 30 aircraft (320/321/777LR)

Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:34 pm

oceanvikram wrote:
subramak1 wrote:

By the way, does anyone what the plans are to integrate the 3 Tata group airlines domestically?

Best, Subramanian


There is nothing in the media nor any statement given from either Tata and Sons, Singapore Airlines Group or Air Asia Group regarding integration.

Unless merger and acquisition transparency requirements in India are different to Australia's, then there must be some discussions going on.


Tata group may be waiting for the 1 year anniversary when they can adjust/reduce the headcount as per the sale agreement of AI from the GoI.
 
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Re: Updated: Air India to lease in 30 aircraft (320/321/777LR)

Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:58 am

Air India is slowly opening up reservations for their much awaited Mumbai/Bengaluru-San Francisco.

3 weekly Mumbai-San Francisco effective 15DEC22

AI179 BOM1430 - 1700SFO 77L 246

AI180 SFO2100 - 0340+2BOM 77L 246

3 weekly Bengaluru-San Francisco from 02DEC22

AI175 BLR1420 - 1700SFO 77L 357

AI176 SFO2100 - 0425+2BLR 77L 357

Bookings available so far in the high fare category only, but should fall soon.

With this, AI will operate 16 weekly flights to San Francisco - the highest number of frequencies of any US destination.
 
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Sun Oct 02, 2022 4:41 pm

WestWing wrote:
MrBryan86 wrote:
Looks like 5 ex-DL B77Ls are now headed for Air India as lease(?) from Mammoth, with N702DN on its way to Singapore for cabin reconfiguration and repaint before entry into service.

Thank you. N702DN and N706DN now have registered owner as JETRAN LLC. I assume three more 777-232LRs will change ownership to JETRAN LLC over time.

____________________________________________________________________

N706DN has arrived at Singapore 2 days back.

Maybe for getting painted in Air-India colors and any cabin work before (presumed) delivery ?

Also, is it surprising that BLR-SFO-BLR is showing in various portals to commence service 2 weeks before BOM-SFO-BOM ? (2/dec vs 15/dec)

Thanks
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Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:13 am

Why is it, with the fairly low labor costs in India, AI can't seem to maintain their cabins or catering to a decent level?
 
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Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:56 pm

FYI Canada-India have today officially signed a full open skies air bilateral accord !

Source https://financialpost.com/transportatio ... e69ed/amp/
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:40 am

142857 wrote:
N706DN has arrived at Singapore 2 days back.

Maybe for getting painted in Air-India colors and any cabin work before (presumed) delivery ?


N706DN has now been de-registered from the FAA registry for the reason exported to India.
N702DN, at the time of this post, is still on the FAA registry.
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:59 pm

N702DN has been in SIN for around 2 months now. Hoping to see it out soon. New flights begin in 2 weeks and change.
 
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Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:44 pm

I understand that N702DN arrived Mumbai 2 days back (24th late night)
 
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Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:10 pm

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I understand that N702DN arrived Mumbai 2 days back (24th late night)


Are you sure about that? At least not according to this tweet? Plus I am sure it would be caught on the way and won't be able to secretly make it to India without anyone knowing.

https://twitter.com/ArenaJet/status/1595994249727574016
 
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Sun Nov 27, 2022 7:25 am

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142857 wrote:
I understand that N702DN arrived Mumbai 2 days back (24th late night)


Are you sure about that? At least not according to this tweet? Plus I am sure it would be caught on the way and won't be able to secretly make it to India without anyone knowing.

https://twitter.com/ArenaJet/status/1595994249727574016

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I will try to re-confirm.

I am also told that the registrations of these new planes will be VT-AEE,F,G,H,I
 
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Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:37 am

How many 777LR is India getting?

I always thought Qantas should have picked up all of these 777LR and fitted them with low density cabins. They could have been doing half a dozen direct flights to Europe and New York for the last couple years. Then swap the longest routes to the A350-1000ULR as they arrive.
 
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Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:46 am

RJMAZ wrote:
How many 777LR is India getting?

I always thought Qantas should have picked up all of these 777LR and fitted them with low density cabins. They could have been doing half a dozen direct flights to Europe and New York for the last couple years. Then swap the longest routes to the A350-1000ULR as they arrive.


Isn't the 777 of any variant a foreign type to QF? They decided a long time ago to make their bed with 747s/A380s/A330s and now with 787s/A350s so to develop a pilot pool for an interim type would have been cost ineffective.
 
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Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:49 am

142857 wrote:
airboss787 wrote:
142857 wrote:
I understand that N702DN arrived Mumbai 2 days back (24th late night)


Are you sure about that? At least not according to this tweet? Plus I am sure it would be caught on the way and won't be able to secretly make it to India without anyone knowing.

https://twitter.com/ArenaJet/status/1595994249727574016

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I will try to re-confirm.

I am also told that the registrations of these new planes will be VT-AEE,F,G,H,I


Sure thing. Also, there is a DEL-BLR one off flight on the 777s on Dec 1st which is positioning the aircraft for the inaugural on the 2nd. Which means the aircraft will be delivered in DEL.

Thanks for the regs. Any idea why they won't start with AEA?
 
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Sun Nov 27, 2022 3:52 pm

The first of 5 B77Ls has been delivered today, with registration VT-AEF, flown SIN-DEL.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Singapo ... tid=W9rl1R
 
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Image

A downgrade of the current livery but looks interim. As long as the interiors are fine...
 
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Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:51 pm

Spiderguy252 wrote:
Image

A downgrade of the current livery but looks interim. As long as the interiors are fine...


How long until one engine is red and the other white or mix and match cowlings. :cry:
 
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Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:31 pm

So to sum it up:
Five ex DL 77L are going to AI
The remaining DL 77Ls are to be converted into freighters (FedEx and CargoJet ?).
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:59 am

Breaking news:

Air India to dry lease 6 additional B77Ws + 6 A320Neos in 2023

Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/air ... 18.article

Any clue where these additional B777-300ERs are coming from?
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:36 am

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Any clue where these additional B777-300ERs are coming from?


They should try to get the ones Etihad retired last year. They don't even have to change the interiors. EY's onboard product is great.
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:57 am

As per reports revealed, the aircraft will be in a 4 class layout i.e. F J W Y so likely to be ex SQ birds I reckon?

4F 48J 28W 184Y - total 264 seats only

IMO if this is indeed true, it is way too premium heavy to meet AI's needs unless its a long term lease with cabin modification included.

I hope instead they try to get the birds from EY.
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:08 am

My guess is either ex SQ or CX since they both have a bunch of parked 4 class 77Ws.

SQ's config: F4C48W28Y184
CX's config: F6C53W34Y201

Both are very premium heavy. I wonder how complex scheduling will become with 4 types of 777 config's
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:22 am

behramjee wrote:
As per reports revealed, the aircraft will be in a 4 class layout i.e. F J W Y so likely to be ex SQ birds I reckon?

4F 48J 28W 184Y - total 264 seats only

IMO if this is indeed true, it is way too premium heavy to meet AI's needs unless its a long term lease with cabin modification included.

I hope instead they try to get the birds from EY.


If these reports are correctly, they are clearly ex-SQ as the config above is SQ's 77W config.
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:35 am

Singapore 777 wrote:
behramjee wrote:
As per reports revealed, the aircraft will be in a 4 class layout i.e. F J W Y so likely to be ex SQ birds I reckon?

4F 48J 28W 184Y - total 264 seats only

IMO if this is indeed true, it is way too premium heavy to meet AI's needs unless its a long term lease with cabin modification included.

I hope instead they try to get the birds from EY.


If these reports are correctly, they are clearly ex-SQ as the config above is SQ's 77W config.


Interesting, I know ANA also retired some 777-300ERs. Any chances it could be them?
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:39 am

Singapore 777 wrote:
behramjee wrote:
As per reports revealed, the aircraft will be in a 4 class layout i.e. F J W Y so likely to be ex SQ birds I reckon?

4F 48J 28W 184Y - total 264 seats only

IMO if this is indeed true, it is way too premium heavy to meet AI's needs unless its a long term lease with cabin modification included.

I hope instead they try to get the birds from EY.


If these reports are correctly, they are clearly ex-SQ as the config above is SQ's 77W config.


Therefore, an added benefit of SQ's new 25% ownership of AI. This is great news for both parties involved.
As is, the 77Ws would be incoming with GE engines (and thus, allow greater fleet commonality with AI's GE powered fleet), and match the GE powered, former DL, 77Ls as well, no?
 
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Rajahdhani wrote:
Singapore 777 wrote:
behramjee wrote:
As per reports revealed, the aircraft will be in a 4 class layout i.e. F J W Y so likely to be ex SQ birds I reckon?

4F 48J 28W 184Y - total 264 seats only

IMO if this is indeed true, it is way too premium heavy to meet AI's needs unless its a long term lease with cabin modification included.

I hope instead they try to get the birds from EY.


If these reports are correctly, they are clearly ex-SQ as the config above is SQ's 77W config.


Therefore, an added benefit of SQ's new 25% ownership of AI. This is great news for both parties involved.
As is, the 77Ws would be incoming with GE engines (and thus, allow greater fleet commonality with AI's GE powered fleet), and match the GE powered, former DL, 77Ls as well, no?


Uhm, 77L and 77W only have GE powered engines, so fleet commonality never would be an issue would it? ;)
I do not know if AI's current 77L's are the GE90-110 or -115 though.

Not related, but according to Airfleets AI still has 3 788s parked. What's up with these? Can these not be reactivated to overcome capacity shortcomings?
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:53 am

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As is, the 77Ws would be incoming with GE engines (and thus, allow greater fleet commonality with AI's GE powered fleet), and match the GE powered, former DL, 77Ls as well, no?


77L and 77W are solely powered by GE90's, so where AIC sources theirs would'nt matter much in terms of engine commonality.
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:54 am

...and while slightly off topic, let's consider how this race is heating up, with recent changes (extensions) to 'wet-lease' terms by the G.O.I., and how Indian competitors (and their wealthy, albeit fellow Star Alliance partners benefactors) plan to expand, as well. I wish Indigo/TK well in this partnership and wonder how this will further change the dynamic of Indian operations.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/95806442.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Boeing has done well with these leases, in India, and hopefully can look forward to more orders as these aircraft seek replacements in the long/medium term.
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:21 pm

frigatebird wrote:
Uhm, 77L and 77W only have GE powered engines, so fleet commonality never would be an issue would it? ;)
I do not know if AI's current 77L's are the GE90-110 or -115 though.


swapcv wrote:
77L and 77W are solely powered by GE90's, so where AIC sources theirs would'nt matter much in terms of engine commonality.


So, then - would GE's positioning in India favor further orders of their powered aircraft?

https://www.ge.com/news/press-releases/tidco-and-ge-inaugurate-additive-manufacturing-center-of-excellence-in-chennai
Chennai, October 08, 2022: GE Aerospace, a world leader in aircraft engines and technology development, and the Tamil Nadu Industrial Development Corporation Ltd. (TIDCO) today welcomed M.K. Stalin, Chief Minister of the state of Tamil Nadu, to inaugurate the Tamil Nadu Advance Manufacturing Centre of Excellence (TAMCoE), in Chennai, India.


...and also connected, Pratt and Whitney has also recently focused on catching up on past issues, and also was shopping for new customers.

https://simpleflying.com/pratt-whitney-to-supply-20-25-engines-in-india-monthly/
Pratt & Whitney had announced earlier this year that it was about 70 engines behind its previous delivery plan and was struggling to keep up with Airbus due to labor shortages and other general supply chain issues. India has been particularly hit by engine shortage, with two airlines – IndiGo and Go First having to ground several aircraft. In October, P&W officials visited India to speak to airlines affected by the engine supply issues and also to look for other business opportunities in the country.


All in all, I can see further growth in the Indian market, and well placed/alligned manufacturers and MROs benefiting to solve past issues that previously plagued the nation. I can also see the MRO space growing significantly in India, and with proper investment, could see vast expansions of these services (and notably with the AI (Tata)/SQ partnership) we could see AIESL expand further. The recent changes by the G.O.I. certainly are assisting:

https://www.businessworld.in/article/Will-The-Indian-MRO-Industry-Finally-Take-Off-/08-06-2020-194634/Until recently MRO services were taxed at 18% while the same services if done overseas attracted a tax of 5%. Additionally, no customs duties were levied on import of MRO services from overseas. This severely limited the ability of India’s MROs to compete and they were left competing for contracts where the labour pay arbitrage made for a more economic proposition. The high-value work including heavy checks on aircraft and engine overhauls continued to be sent to overseas.


...and so, I can see that once the MRO facilities grow further, so would fleet reliabilities, and crucially capacity. This has the effect of favoring larger aircraft (as Indigo is choosing to do, faced with sitting A32XNEOs due to PW issues) in the short term, and allowing those capabilities, carriers and crucial equipment the time to ramp up and, eventually, expand.
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:45 pm

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So, then - would GE's positioning in India favor further orders of their powered aircraft?



It does'nt work that way. The incoming 777's are short term capacity uplift while AIC management make their final decision on which new widebody they will acquire. And as much as some people drool at the sight of Air India ordering a few 777X's, it isn't going to happen.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:43 am

Mods, can the thread title be updated to reflect the updated order - 42 aircraft and to also include 77W now.
 
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It does'nt work that way. The incoming 777's are short term capacity uplift while AIC management make their final decision on which new widebody they will acquire. And as much as some people drool at the sight of Air India ordering a few 777X's, it isn't going to happen.


Doesn't seem too short term - these are dry leased frames which could last as long as say the A330s did in the AI fleet (over 5 years if I recall). And A/B won't deliver new A350s and B787s in a hurry either - they have their own backlogs to think about.
 
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Re: Updated: Air India to lease in 30 aircraft (320/321/777LR)

Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:38 am

Spiderguy252 wrote:
swapcv wrote:
It does'nt work that way. The incoming 777's are short term capacity uplift while AIC management make their final decision on which new widebody they will acquire. And as much as some people drool at the sight of Air India ordering a few 777X's, it isn't going to happen.


Doesn't seem too short term - these are dry leased frames which could last as long as say the A330s did in the AI fleet (over 5 years if I recall). And A/B won't deliver new A350s and B787s in a hurry either - they have their own backlogs to think about.


5 years is pretty short term considering how most FCC carriers use their aircraft and Airbus and Boeing suffer backlogs in their narrowbody aircraft products not widebody as both produce their narrowbodies and widebodies on seperate and dedicated production lines. If anything you're likely to receive a widebody quicker than a narrowbody as there are many whitetails available.
 
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Re: Updated: Air India to lease in 30 aircraft (320/321/777LR)

Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:40 am

I wonder from where these additional A320 neo's will come from
 
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Re: Updated: Air India to lease in 30 aircraft (320/321/777LR)

Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:11 pm

avier wrote:
Mods, can the thread title be updated to reflect the updated order - 42 aircraft and to also include 77W now.


Done. Please use the reporting function te next time, thanks.
 
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Re: Updated: Air India to lease in 30 aircraft (320/321/777LR)

Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:32 am

es19 wrote:
I wonder from where these additional A320 neo's will come from


Second hand airframes. There are plenty of them to go around as many carriers shed excess capacity during the pandemic, while some went bust. Then there are others lying around at TLS or XFW sitting as NTU frames.
 
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Re: Updated: Air India to lease in 30 aircraft (320/321/777LR)

Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:45 am

behramjee wrote:
Air India to dry lease 6 additional B77Ws + 6 A320Neos in 2023


Firstly, fabulous news - more long-haul lift was sorely needed for AI - to give it a good network in the interim until they finalize the new wide-body order, and then the new fleet gets delivered.

How is AI going to hire enough flight crew for these additional 777s? Is there a surplus of 777 Pilots/ MX etc. on the SQ side that can be "deputed" here while AI builds up its pilot base?
 
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Re: Updated: Air India to lease in 30 aircraft (320/321/777LR)

Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:36 am

Nimish wrote:
behramjee wrote:
Air India to dry lease 6 additional B77Ws + 6 A320Neos in 2023


Firstly, fabulous news - more long-haul lift was sorely needed for AI - to give it a good network in the interim until they finalize the new wide-body order, and then the new fleet gets delivered.

How is AI going to hire enough flight crew for these additional 777s? Is there a surplus of 777 Pilots/ MX etc. on the SQ side that can be "deputed" here while AI builds up its pilot base?


If these planes come dry leased from SQ, maybe SQ would "second" some of their pilots as a temporary gesture.

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