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Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:46 am

MH has announced they intend to acquire 20 A330-900. 10 will be purchased direct from Airbus with 10 leased from Avalon.

https://www.ifn.news/posts/malaysia-air ... s-a330neo/

It seems the wide body fleet will remain all Airbus then with the 737 taking the narrowbody fleet.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:29 am

They have a long history of operating the A330, so this seems an eminently sensible replacement for their existing fleet.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:42 am

seansasLCY wrote:
MH has announced they intend to acquire 20 A330-900. 10 will be purchased direct from Airbus with 10 leased from Avalon.

https://www.ifn.news/posts/malaysia-air ... s-a330neo/

It seems the wide body fleet will remain all Airbus then with the 737 taking the narrowbody fleet.

Small nitpick. Avolon.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:58 am

Nice pick MH - hopefully with some fleet simplicity, some product alignment and a bit of a brand refresh they can nail a strategy and stick to it!

I don’t agree with their new 738 cabin, but I could be in the minority. But will they retain 350s and 380s?
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:14 pm

Time for yet another different livery.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:19 pm

A good choice by MH! I'm surprised more carriers haven't taken the A339 after the B787 delays. I remember after their two crashed, and COVID, a lot of people where convinced MH would be reduced to a medium sized regional carrier with an narrowbody fleet only.

Last I read the A380 fleet was up for sale, did that change? The A350/330 seems like a very versatile fleet.

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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:29 pm

Elections are just around the corner, hopefully the MOU is more binding than whatever they did with the 787 agreement.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:29 pm

seansasLCY wrote:
MH has announced they intend to acquire 20 A330-900. 10 will be purchased direct from Airbus with 10 leased from Avalon.


Unless Avolon is behind some of the 20 undisclosed A339s, they'll have to order some more because the July Airbus O&D spreadsheet show Avolon only having nine A339 on order with five delivered.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:34 pm

krisyyz wrote:
I remember after their two crashed, and COVID, a lot of people where convinced MH would be reduced to a medium sized regional carrier with an narrowbody fleet only.

Aside from the narrow body only thing that is exactly what MH is now. I think after LHR (which I believe is the only destination served in Europe) AKL is their next longest route. Certainly nothing like SQ for example.

scbriml wrote:
seansasLCY wrote:
MH has announced they intend to acquire 20 A330-900. 10 will be purchased direct from Airbus with 10 leased from Avalon.


Unless Avolon is behind some of the 20 undisclosed A339s, they'll have to order some more because the July Airbus O&D spreadsheet show Avolon only having nine A339 on order with five delivered.

Avolon includes various subsidiaries such as CIT Leasing which also has A330neos on order. Between all the mergers/buyouts between leasing companies over the past 10 years it can get confusing remembering who owns who. “Avolon” is used because they are parent company’s name but the planes may not necessarily be coming from the company named Avolon.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:21 pm

If you look on this article
https://simpleflying.com/malaysia-airli ... -a330neos/

The image, provided by Airbus, appears to show a new livery for Malaysia Airlines. Has this been confirmed anywhere else? Is there a possible reason why the livery was rendered like this on the A339?
Even the iconic logo has been changed on the tail if you look closely.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:24 pm

YOW787 wrote:
If you look on this article
https://simpleflying.com/malaysia-airli ... -a330neos/

The image, provided by Airbus, appears to show a new livery for Malaysia Airlines. Has this been confirmed anywhere else? Is there a possible reason why the livery was rendered like this on the A339?
Even the iconic logo has been changed on the tail if you look closely.

That’s their “Negaraku” livery:



Originally it was just going to be a special livery but I believe they ended up liking it so much they decided to adopt it as the main livery.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:42 pm

[photoid][/photoid]
Polot wrote:
YOW787 wrote:
If you look on this article
https://simpleflying.com/malaysia-airli ... -a330neos/

The image, provided by Airbus, appears to show a new livery for Malaysia Airlines. Has this been confirmed anywhere else? Is there a possible reason why the livery was rendered like this on the A339?
Even the iconic logo has been changed on the tail if you look closely.

That’s their “Negaraku” livery:



Originally it was just going to be a special livery but I believe they ended up liking it so much they decided to adopt it as the main livery.


I am aware of the Negaraku livery but if you look again, the image in the article has several differences from the current Malaysia Negaraku livery
For example, no white space between the blue and red portions of the flag design
And if you zoom in on the tail, you can see a yellow pattern has been added on top of of the current wau bulan logo
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:47 pm

YOW787 wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]
Polot wrote:
YOW787 wrote:
If you look on this article
https://simpleflying.com/malaysia-airli ... -a330neos/

The image, provided by Airbus, appears to show a new livery for Malaysia Airlines. Has this been confirmed anywhere else? Is there a possible reason why the livery was rendered like this on the A339?
Even the iconic logo has been changed on the tail if you look closely.

That’s their “Negaraku” livery:



Originally it was just going to be a special livery but I believe they ended up liking it so much they decided to adopt it as the main livery.


I am aware of the Negaraku livery but if you look again, the image in the article has several differences from the current Malaysia Negaraku livery
For example, no white space between the blue and red portions of the flag design
And if you zoom in on the tail, you can see a yellow pattern has been added on top of of the current wau bulan logo

I think that is just poor quality rendering (Airbus’s are frankly never the best). Especially the “yellow pattern” on the tail logo.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:03 pm

Polot wrote:
YOW787 wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]
Polot wrote:
That’s their “Negaraku” livery:



Originally it was just going to be a special livery but I believe they ended up liking it so much they decided to adopt it as the main livery.


I am aware of the Negaraku livery but if you look again, the image in the article has several differences from the current Malaysia Negaraku livery
For example, no white space between the blue and red portions of the flag design
And if you zoom in on the tail, you can see a yellow pattern has been added on top of of the current wau bulan logo

I think that is just poor quality rendering (Airbus’s are frankly never the best). Especially the “yellow pattern” on the tail logo.


The pattern on the logo is actually a batik design which will be on the “updated” livery
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:09 pm

MrBryan86 wrote:
Polot wrote:
YOW787 wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]

I am aware of the Negaraku livery but if you look again, the image in the article has several differences from the current Malaysia Negaraku livery
For example, no white space between the blue and red portions of the flag design
And if you zoom in on the tail, you can see a yellow pattern has been added on top of of the current wau bulan logo

I think that is just poor quality rendering (Airbus’s are frankly never the best). Especially the “yellow pattern” on the tail logo.


The pattern on the logo is actually a batik design which will be on the “updated” livery


Oh so it is confirmed that MH is changing their livery?
May I ask if there is confirmation on this or is it just speculation currently
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:15 pm

A logical choice for MH so congrats to MH on selecting the 330NEO. I like their Negaraku livery, I saw it in LHR for the first time in 2019:



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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:42 pm

The 330 Neo order is logical and will make a tangible positive difference for those of us who have had to put up with the A330-200 fleet the past few years on anything other than regional routes. The sooner that old 332 product disappears the better IMHO.

The "revised" livery in the Airbus announcement seems to have the insignia on the tale in a more upright position - not slanted to align with the tail. I don't like that aspect at all, seems awkward; but the textural elements are cool.

Any info around delivery timeline?
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:48 pm

Polot wrote:
Avolon includes various subsidiaries such as CIT Leasing which also has A330neos on order.


Ah, OK that's reasonable then.

Polot wrote:
I think that is just poor quality rendering (Airbus’s are frankly never the best). Especially the “yellow pattern” on the tail logo.


There's nothing wrong with the rendering on Airbus' site, the image is high quality and clearly shows the batik pattern.
Image
Source: https://www.airbus.com/sites/g/files/jl ... AS_V14.jpg
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:56 pm

Now we need CI to jump ...
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:12 pm

PM wrote:
Now we need CI to jump...


Yep, we do.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:17 pm

Who knows the A330-900NEO might find its success in the Asian market just as the A330-300 did. Time will tell.

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Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:34 pm

 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:46 pm

RR are saying that the deal includes 20 purchase rights so a total fleet of 40 may be possible.

https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/press ... 30neo.aspx
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:49 pm

An order for ten new plus reducing the leasing company inventory is good news.

PM wrote:
RR are saying that the deal includes 20 purchase rights so a total fleet of 40 may be possible.

https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/press ... 30neo.aspx

In many way, RR is the big winner on this contract. Good to hear the fleet has options to grow further.

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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:25 pm

A388 wrote:
Who knows the A330-900NEO might find its success in the Asian market just as the A330-300 did. Time will tell.

A388

Which wouldn't be surprising since the A330-900 is the A330-300 neo (i.e., same frame with new engines).

Saying "A330-900neo" (lowercase) is incorrect and not what Airbus advertises: they have the A330-800 & A330-900, that are part of the A330neo Family.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:40 pm

With 300 seats they are differentiating substantially from the low cost alternatives in terms of pax comfort. Air Asia X seats 377 in their A333s, including 365 in 9-abreast economy.

I hope this works out for them.
https://www.seatlink.com/airlines/airas ... -seat-map/
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:25 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
A388 wrote:
Who knows the A330-900NEO might find its success in the Asian market just as the A330-300 did. Time will tell.

A388

Which wouldn't be surprising since the A330-900 is the A330-300 neo (i.e., same frame with new engines).

Saying "A330-900neo" (lowercase) is incorrect and not what Airbus advertises: they have the A330-800 & A330-900, that are part of the A330neo Family.


Correct.

"A330neo" is basically only a marketing name, just like "A350XWB". When referring to a specific models, Airbus always uses the A330-800 or A350-1000 style nomenclature. As the press release for this specific piece of news illustrates perfectly.
https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/pres ... et-renewal
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:39 pm

Okay thanks guys. I know the A338 and -339 are A330's with newer engines but I always called them the way I did. I do the same with the A320NEO's but I'll refer to them as A320neo than. I'll keep it in mind.

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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:45 pm

The 10 purchased directly from Airbus will be sold and leased back from Avolon. https://newsroom.aviator.aero/avolon-ag ... ion-group/

Also interesting to note that after this, Avolon only has 2 unplaced A339s in its orderbook.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:02 pm

For a program that's supposedly dead, the A330neo sure keeps selling (even if this is just a MOU)! Sunclass, Air Belgium, ITA, Condor, now Malaysia. Let's hope that China Airlines signs on the dotted line too.

Worth noting that Malaysia Airlines' current A330s (delivered early 2010s) replaced their old A330s (delivered late 1990s) and will in turn be replaced my more A330s. Seems like a popular plane for them!
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:04 pm

Airbus' USP for the neo is "the same but better".

Emphasising continuity and commonality, minimising transition and maintenance costs, but with improved running costs.
 
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Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:14 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Airbus' USP for the neo is "the same but better".

Emphasising continuity and commonality, minimising transition and maintenance costs, but with improved running costs.


This commonality during a transition process is a major benefit for operators like MH who don't have the resources (skills) to efficiently manage complex transitions.

If this MOU converts to a firm order, this along with availablity will have been the deciding factors and percisely the reason AB invested in the 330neo to begin with.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:04 pm

A388 wrote:
Okay thanks guys. I know the A338 and -339 are A330's with newer engines but I always called them the way I did. I do the same with the A320NEO's but I'll refer to them as A320neo than. I'll keep it in mind.

A388

The A320neo Family is a different case as the A319/320/321 and A319/320/321neos are the same dash number, with the exception of the last 2 digits which are the engine manufacturer and type; for the A330, Airbus went from the A330-200 to the A330-800 and from the A330-300 to the A330-900 when they neo'd the frame.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:27 pm

Going to be a nice year for orders it seems!
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:52 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
Going to be a nice year for orders it seems!

From a gross orders perspective this only takes the A330neo to 14 orders this year (and one was literally a VS->DL swap). Most of the other orders discussed when talking about how A330neo is building a groundwork of smaller airlines were booked last year. We won’t get into net orders because thanks to Aor Asia X and UFO cancellations it is not pretty at all.

Widebody orders have not recovered from Covid at all to say the least.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:51 pm

Polot wrote:

Widebody orders have not recovered from Covid at all to say the least.

In general, no. But the A330neo keeps plugging away.

Will it catch the 787? Of course not. Will it keep racking up a few dozen orders a year? I suspect it will. Will Airbus make a modest ROI on the programme? Probably.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:34 am

YOW787 wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]
Polot wrote:
YOW787 wrote:
If you look on this article
https://simpleflying.com/malaysia-airli ... -a330neos/

The image, provided by Airbus, appears to show a new livery for Malaysia Airlines. Has this been confirmed anywhere else? Is there a possible reason why the livery was rendered like this on the A339?
Even the iconic logo has been changed on the tail if you look closely.

That’s their “Negaraku” livery:



Originally it was just going to be a special livery but I believe they ended up liking it so much they decided to adopt it as the main livery.


I am aware of the Negaraku livery but if you look again, the image in the article has several differences from the current Malaysia Negaraku livery
For example, no white space between the blue and red portions of the flag design
And if you zoom in on the tail, you can see a yellow pattern has been added on top of of the current wau bulan logo


It also appears that the wordmark isn’t italicised in the A330-900 rendering. I do hope they unify the livery across their fleet rather than introducing yet another one.
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:55 am

CBBW wrote:
YOW787 wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]
Polot wrote:
That’s their “Negaraku” livery:



Originally it was just going to be a special livery but I believe they ended up liking it so much they decided to adopt it as the main livery.


I am aware of the Negaraku livery but if you look again, the image in the article has several differences from the current Malaysia Negaraku livery
For example, no white space between the blue and red portions of the flag design
And if you zoom in on the tail, you can see a yellow pattern has been added on top of of the current wau bulan logo


It also appears that the wordmark isn’t italicised in the A330-900 rendering. I do hope they unify the livery across their fleet rather than introducing yet another one.


It also has the yellow notches that were red in the previous livery on the letters MAS in the wordmark
 
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Re: Malaysia MOU for Airbus A330-900

Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:20 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
Going to be a nice year for orders it seems!


Thanks for your explanations everyone :)

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