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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Thu Sep 08, 2022 3:04 am

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anstar wrote:

They are - I believe the first flight is tomorrow with another the day after.

Some of the JQ 787 issues are unavoidable ie bird strike & windscreen crack and debris on the runway in SGN damaging the A/C.



Do the JQ A321LR’s have IFE?
Wonder if they plan on putting IFE into there XLR’s


Just streaming IFE, via own devices. The LR’s do have device holders on the back of the seats along with a USB charging port.

It is likely QF's A321s will have the same set up. IFE adds weight as well as being a source of misery for crew who have to deal with customer dissatisfaction when the screen is faulty. Nearly everyone has a smartphone these days so using a BYOD model is so much easier. For the small number of people who may not have a smartphone, I'd expect a few iPads/Galaxy Tabs to be stored onboard and made available as needed.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Thu Sep 08, 2022 3:26 am

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LTEN11 wrote:

Ha ! Bit later after it's already landed at it's destination.


Certainly for that flight, but the passengers deplane at MEL into a sterile area and mix with other departing passengers as well as potentially connect onto other flights. The rescreening is done not to protect the incoming flight but rather to protect the "integrity" of the sterile area and other outgoing flights. While it may seem pedantic, it is rather necessary.


Flights from a regional port unload onto a bus and then into the non-sterile area. Only passengers with connecting flights then go through standard security screening. Organising busing for an A330 would probably take a bit longer, but that still seems more efficient than escorting them through the sterile zone and then re-screening the entire aircraft.


Bussing is not available during nighttime at Melbourne at present.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Thu Sep 08, 2022 4:28 am

Wondering if anyone has any info about what exactly is going on with QF and their post-covid strategy? SYD-SFO has been pushed out all the way to March 2023 (likely a placeholder..) which will be at least 3 years since QF last flew the route. Meanwhile, they are utilizing their 787s and A330s to various destinations such as JNB, DEL, BLR, etc. and even planning new routes with them such as DFW-MEL and SYD-AKL-JFK.

Of course SFO was hit hard by covid, just like LAX and many other airports. But with other airlines such as ANZ to AKL, Fiji to NAN, and United to SYD/MEL/BNE having long-resumed service and in some cases even increased beyond pre-covid service levels, what's the holdup with QF? Is it simply down to a/c deliveries? Those 787 options seem very appealing to exercise right about now.

It seems odd to see them outline future plans about putting Chicago and Miami on the map when SFO, which is now a OW hub with feed from AS, doesn't seem to be a priority. Judging by how full flights have been and how expensive airfare is to AU, I am certain that FJ and UA are laughing all the way to the bank. Have now flown 4x on Fiji and I love the convenience and service! J was 100% full each time and economy largely full as well. Hope to see them upgrade their 330 J at some point.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:59 am

MEL and SYD to SFO are UA resumptions. BNE-SFO is a new service via co-funding from BAC Pty Ltd and the State of Queensland for at least a year, and it seems that (without actual knowledge of forward bookings) that forward bookings seems to be average at best as it remains at 3x weekly.

The AC BNE-YVR service was also started a few years ago as a similar co-funded service (initially announced a few times weekly 789) with a funding split between the Province of British Columbia and the State of Queensland, which forward bookings surprised both jurisdictions to a point where it increased to a daily 788 reasonably quickly not long after launch and eventually stood on its own two feet.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:57 am

SCFlyer wrote:
MEL and SYD to SFO are UA resumptions. BNE-SFO is a new service via co-funding from BAC Pty Ltd and the State of Queensland for at least a year, and it seems that (without actual knowledge of forward bookings) that forward bookings seems to be average at best as it remains at 3x weekly.

The AC BNE-YVR service was also started a few years ago as a similar co-funded service (initially announced a few times weekly 789) with a funding split between the Province of British Columbia and the State of Queensland, which forward bookings surprised both jurisdictions to a point where it increased to a daily 788 reasonably quickly not long after launch and eventually stood on its own two feet.


I wonder what differentiates MEL to BNE for AC.

Is it because MEL is that little bit further that it’s just worth it for them to feed through VA? YVR-BNE can we done with a 788 too whilst MEL cannot. UA has been in the MEL market for quite some time now and seems to make the market work for them, just interesting that it didn’t for AC.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:00 am

tullamarine wrote:
zkncj wrote:
OffTheRails wrote:


Do the JQ A321LR’s have IFE?
Wonder if they plan on putting IFE into there XLR’s


Just streaming IFE, via own devices. The LR’s do have device holders on the back of the seats along with a USB charging port.

It is likely QF's A321s will have the same set up. IFE adds weight as well as being a source of misery for crew who have to deal with customer dissatisfaction when the screen is faulty. Nearly everyone has a smartphone these days so using a BYOD model is so much easier. For the small number of people who may not have a smartphone, I'd expect a few iPads/Galaxy Tabs to be stored onboard and made available as needed.


I keep hearing this nonsense around crew hating IFE and how unreliable they are - maybe back in the 90s not no it’s simply not true.

QF will have PTVs on their 321s that go Tasman, and into Asia. As for domestic verdict is still out but for flexibility they will. UA is on record saying that they see significant increases in all customer metrics when PTVs are fitted- they distract from everything else.

Verdict is out on 220 - but wouldn’t surprise me either way.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:41 am

smi0006 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
zkncj wrote:

Just streaming IFE, via own devices. The LR’s do have device holders on the back of the seats along with a USB charging port.

It is likely QF's A321s will have the same set up. IFE adds weight as well as being a source of misery for crew who have to deal with customer dissatisfaction when the screen is faulty. Nearly everyone has a smartphone these days so using a BYOD model is so much easier. For the small number of people who may not have a smartphone, I'd expect a few iPads/Galaxy Tabs to be stored onboard and made available as needed.


I keep hearing this nonsense around crew hating IFE and how unreliable they are - maybe back in the 90s not no it’s simply not true.

QF will have PTVs on their 321s that go Tasman, and into Asia. As for domestic verdict is still out but for flexibility they will. UA is on record saying that they see significant increases in all customer metrics when PTVs are fitted- they distract from everything else.

Verdict is out on 220 - but wouldn’t surprise me either way.


I was going to say that United is moving back from streaming to AVOD. That said, I noticed today that Qantas now list “Netflix streaming capable” on the flight info tab, which is an interesting addition to the standard wifi capable, and clearly wasn’t unintentional. When VA don’t offer AVOD, I wouldn’t be surprised if Qantas go 100% streaming at least for aircraft primarily serving domestic. There is nothing premium about Qantas these days, so I can’t see them spending a cent to offer a better product than the competition.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:28 pm

AirAsiaX NS23 changes

KUL-SYD-AKL daily
KUL-MEL daily
KUL-PER 5 weekly increasing to daily

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220908-d7ns23sw
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:30 pm

Qantas has pushed back resumption of HKG

SYD-HKG now planned from 30 Jan 23, 3 weekly A330 increasing to 6 weekly from 28 Feb 23

MEL-HKG is due to resume until 25 Mar 23 at the earliest

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220908-qfnw22hkg
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Thu Sep 08, 2022 1:58 pm

Do we know anything about the A330P2F work being done by EFW that was meant to start in August?
There are currently 3 frames that havent flown in the past week or so (EBB/D/M) with B and D in storage in BNE since March 2020 (you have to wonder how long it takes to reactivate these aircraft given the dire loss of capacity they have been dealing with recently)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:03 pm

Ellofiend wrote:
Do we know anything about the A330P2F work being done by EFW that was meant to start in August?
There are currently 3 frames that havent flown in the past week or so (EBB/D/M) with B and D in storage in BNE since March 2020 (you have to wonder how long it takes to reactivate these aircraft given the dire loss of capacity they have been dealing with recently)

I thought EBE was slated as the first A332 for conversion.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:22 am

Apparently the JQ 787 that got hit by lightening, damage is so bad that they are considering writing off the aircraft
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:24 am

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Apparently the JQ 787 that got hit by lightening, damage is so bad that they are considering writing off the aircraft


Wow! That’s huge, I wonder if it’s a first? I would think Boeing would be desperate to get it back up in the air too. Not a good look for 787 to be written off by lightening.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:24 am

Ellofiend wrote:
Do we know anything about the A330P2F work being done by EFW that was meant to start in August?
There are currently 3 frames that havent flown in the past week or so (EBB/D/M) with B and D in storage in BNE since March 2020 (you have to wonder how long it takes to reactivate these aircraft given the dire loss of capacity they have been dealing with recently)


Will they also operate in the combined Australia post / QF livery? Or the QF freight livery like the 767?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:37 am

smi0006 wrote:
Ellofiend wrote:
Do we know anything about the A330P2F work being done by EFW that was meant to start in August?
There are currently 3 frames that havent flown in the past week or so (EBB/D/M) with B and D in storage in BNE since March 2020 (you have to wonder how long it takes to reactivate these aircraft given the dire loss of capacity they have been dealing with recently)


Will they also operate in the combined Australia post / QF livery? Or the QF freight livery like the 767?


The first aircraft is to be operated for AuPost so the natural assumption is that it will operate in the hybrid AuPost/QF livery but the other one will be used to supplement the current International Freighter network Qantas runs so perhaps this will operate in the QF Freight livery.

"One of the converted widebody freighters will be used in Qantas Freight’s international network, while the other will be a new addition to the dedicated fleet that serves Australia Post’s domestic parcel and mail business"

"The first A330 aircraft, which will be utilised by Australia Post, will start its conversion in August 2022 and is expected to start operating in mid-2023 with the second to start operating in late 2023"

- https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ce-demand/

tullamarine wrote:
I thought EBE was slated as the first A332 for conversion.


Is there a source available? At any rate, EBE is still flying regularly and my perception was that the P2F slots were pretty tight so things must be quite concerning on the capacity front...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:22 am

smi0006 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
zkncj wrote:

Just streaming IFE, via own devices. The LR’s do have device holders on the back of the seats along with a USB charging port.

It is likely QF's A321s will have the same set up. IFE adds weight as well as being a source of misery for crew who have to deal with customer dissatisfaction when the screen is faulty. Nearly everyone has a smartphone these days so using a BYOD model is so much easier. For the small number of people who may not have a smartphone, I'd expect a few iPads/Galaxy Tabs to be stored onboard and made available as needed.


I keep hearing this nonsense around crew hating IFE and how unreliable they are - maybe back in the 90s not no it’s simply not true.

QF will have PTVs on their 321s that go Tasman, and into Asia. As for domestic verdict is still out but for flexibility they will. UA is on record saying that they see significant increases in all customer metrics when PTVs are fitted- they distract from everything else.

Verdict is out on 220 - but wouldn’t surprise me either way.


The A220-300 will not have PTV in any seat. It will have satellite wifi and streaming entertainment to your own device.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:31 am

Not sure if it's been posted here already, but an article talking about Bonza and how their boss is still saying Bonza will take off...

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... eventually
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:36 am

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Not sure if it's been posted here already, but an article talking about Bonza and how their boss is still saying Bonza will take off...

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... eventually


Australian Aviation released photos earlier today of 2 additional ex-LOT 737-8Max aircraft with rudder's painted for Bonza to be delivered shortly.

https://australianaviation.com.au/2022/ ... -boneyard/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 5:11 am

This is likely to go down like a lead balloon

QF CEO Alan Joyce takes home a 15% increase in pay

https://www.afr.com/companies/transport ... 909-p5bgt2
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 5:32 am

qf789 wrote:
This is likely to go down like a lead balloon

QF CEO Alan Joyce takes home a 15% increase in pay

https://www.afr.com/companies/transport ... 909-p5bgt2

I am so often amazed by the ongoing failure of both politicians and business leaders to "read the room."
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 5:36 am

tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:
This is likely to go down like a lead balloon

QF CEO Alan Joyce takes home a 15% increase in pay

https://www.afr.com/companies/transport ... 909-p5bgt2

I am so often amazed by the ongoing failure of both politicians and business leaders to "read the room."

I think they just don’t care to read the room, they live in their own little bubbles. But with QFs woes the last 6 months I do wonder how the board can justify increasing pay by 15%.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 6:15 am

SIGWX wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
It is likely QF's A321s will have the same set up. IFE adds weight as well as being a source of misery for crew who have to deal with customer dissatisfaction when the screen is faulty. Nearly everyone has a smartphone these days so using a BYOD model is so much easier. For the small number of people who may not have a smartphone, I'd expect a few iPads/Galaxy Tabs to be stored onboard and made available as needed.


I keep hearing this nonsense around crew hating IFE and how unreliable they are - maybe back in the 90s not no it’s simply not true.

QF will have PTVs on their 321s that go Tasman, and into Asia. As for domestic verdict is still out but for flexibility they will. UA is on record saying that they see significant increases in all customer metrics when PTVs are fitted- they distract from everything else.

Verdict is out on 220 - but wouldn’t surprise me either way.


The A220-300 will not have PTV in any seat. It will have satellite wifi and streaming entertainment to your own device.


Has the cabin been released? Where did this come from? Or internal intel? AC has PTVs on theirs with similar stage lengths to QF potentially and similar market.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 6:20 am

a320fan wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:
This is likely to go down like a lead balloon

QF CEO Alan Joyce takes home a 15% increase in pay

https://www.afr.com/companies/transport ... 909-p5bgt2

I am so often amazed by the ongoing failure of both politicians and business leaders to "read the room."

I think they just don’t care to read the room, they live in their own little bubbles. But with QFs woes the last 6 months I do wonder how the board can justify increasing pay by 15%.


Agreed - he’s clearly not a people leader! How can his moral compass allow this? Yet alone for business optics! How can the board allow it? You’re right their own bubbles. Yeah he might need to sell his house due to a pay cut…. But he did earn 26M not that long ago… but why is he immune from the environment the rest of us are not?!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:35 am

Apparently Rex flight 6673 SYD-WGA suffered a hydraulic failure today after landing which caused the aircraft to stop and shutdown on the taxiway. Passengers disembarked via stairs and walked about 130m to the arrivals gate.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:58 am

kriskim wrote:
Is it because MEL is that little bit further that it’s just worth it for them to feed through VA? YVR-BNE can we done with a 788 too whilst MEL cannot. UA has been in the MEL market for quite some time now and seems to make the market work for them, just interesting that it didn’t for AC.


The AC MEL issue is it's considerably further than YVR-BNE and UA's LAX/SFO-MEL flights with considerably less premium traffic. Remember that a considerable percentage of AC's loads are transit traffic to USA. An interesting thing to watch is what will be AC's reaction when UA enters the BNE market. If you're going to ORD or the East Coast then AC is a viable option, but California/Nevada is considerably more flight time.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:15 pm

smi0006 wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:
Apparently the JQ 787 that got hit by lightening, damage is so bad that they are considering writing off the aircraft


Wow! That’s huge, I wonder if it’s a first? I would think Boeing would be desperate to get it back up in the air too. Not a good look for 787 to be written off by lightening.


It's generally the Achilles heal of newer generation aircraft made with a lot of composites. It's just not as straightforward or cheap to repair damage to the airframe and skin caused by fire or lightening. To put it in perspective, it took nearly five months to get the ET B787 that had the battery fire at LHR 2013 back into service. The aircraft was nearly written off, but Boeing insisted on repairing it since it was less than a year old and they wanted to avoid an early write-off in the B787 program. By comparison, this aircraft if 7 years old and just about due a major check.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:03 pm

qf789 wrote:
This is likely to go down like a lead balloon

QF CEO Alan Joyce takes home a 15% increase in pay

https://www.afr.com/companies/transport ... 909-p5bgt2


That clearly demonstrates his “people leadership” skills, after sham of out sourcing ground handling to save money and he takes a massive pay rise him self.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:41 pm

zkncj wrote:
qf789 wrote:
This is likely to go down like a lead balloon

QF CEO Alan Joyce takes home a 15% increase in pay

https://www.afr.com/companies/transport ... 909-p5bgt2


That clearly demonstrates his “people leadership” skills, after sham of out sourcing ground handling to save money and he takes a massive pay rise him self.


I’m no fan of AJ, nor QF’s current issues, but I do believe in paying people correctly per contracts.

Given this payment did not include any short term bonuses, and simply reverted to his original contract terms post his voluntary reduction in salary while there was little to no flying I don’t see this as a big issue.

In fact the QF board have changed the exec short term bonus structure to better reflect operating performance and customer satisfaction. Based on today, none of them will be getting those bonuses next year.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:49 pm

qf789 wrote:
This is likely to go down like a lead balloon

QF CEO Alan Joyce takes home a 15% increase in pay

https://www.afr.com/companies/transport ... 909-p5bgt2


I'm curious about the timing for that story coming out. Surely it wasn't released on a day it would knowingly get buried in the news cycle given attention is elsewhere at the moment.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:21 pm

Obzerva wrote:
qf789 wrote:
This is likely to go down like a lead balloon

QF CEO Alan Joyce takes home a 15% increase in pay

https://www.afr.com/companies/transport ... 909-p5bgt2


I'm curious about the timing for that story coming out. Surely it wasn't released on a day it would knowingly get buried in the news cycle given attention is elsewhere at the moment.


They released their annual report yesterday. It smells a bit fishy doesn’t it, when looking in the Qantas news room it’s not listed under media releases but it’s listed under Qantas responds instead, it comes across as they are trying to bury it but at the same time are they trying to make a statement putting it under Qantas responds, typically it would be put down as a news release

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/qanta ... al-report/
 
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Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:26 pm

Boof wrote:
zkncj wrote:
qf789 wrote:
This is likely to go down like a lead balloon

QF CEO Alan Joyce takes home a 15% increase in pay

https://www.afr.com/companies/transport ... 909-p5bgt2


That clearly demonstrates his “people leadership” skills, after sham of out sourcing ground handling to save money and he takes a massive pay rise him self.


I’m no fan of AJ, nor QF’s current issues, but I do believe in paying people correctly per contracts.

Given this payment did not include any short term bonuses, and simply reverted to his original contract terms post his voluntary reduction in salary while there was little to no flying I don’t see this as a big issue.

In fact the QF board have changed the exec short term bonus structure to better reflect operating performance and customer satisfaction. Based on today, none of them will be getting those bonuses next year.

So did the staff working 2-3 days a week if they were lucky, then QF milked JOBKEEPER only to make those very same staff redundant.

Sorry I’ve lost any respect for the guy & he needs to go… QF need new blood leading the group…


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:19 am

GM of BAC Pty Ltd speaks about the recovery at Brisbane Airport, as well as the GM touches on their (BAC's) funding role in the State of Queensland's combined $200m Attracting Aviation Investment Fund (AAIF) and speaks of the recent new service (UA's BNE-SFO) that was attracted under the AAIF funding.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... -recovery/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:29 am

qf789 wrote:
They released their annual report yesterday. It smells a bit fishy doesn’t it, when looking in the Qantas news room it’s not listed under media releases but it’s listed under Qantas responds instead, it comes across as they are trying to bury it but at the same time are they trying to make a statement putting it under Qantas responds, typically it would be put down as a news release

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/qanta ... al-report/


Not wanting to be pedantic, but the annual report is part of statutory reporting requirements. The date of release is pre-defined and would have required board approval, including the document itself as well as the date and manner of release. This would have to comply with regulatory and statutory requirements and stock exchange rules in Australia (and the US and Germany where it's also traded). It's just not possible to decide to drop the report on a specific day at short notice to take advantage of an event. It would have already have been pre-released under an embargo with the embargo ending at the predetermined release date/time. This would have been determined several days, if not weeks in advance. There is certainly no possibly that they've tried to bury it.

For what it's worth, they actually speak to the executive pay in the press release. If they were really trying to bury it, they'd just leave it out of the press release altogether. If anything, they're trying to highlight that the restoring his base salary to 2019 level is a narrow view and that his overall pay is well below pre-pandemic levels with no short term bonuses and deferring long term incentives.

I think there is some confusion with the statutory disclosures that critics are incorrectly pouncing on. He was due to receive share options valued at about A$ 3.2 million as part of a long term incentive and retention bonus scheme based on prior contractural obligations. This is based on the total shareholder return over the last three years compared to ASX 100 and airline peer group (17 other airlines). They achieved the latter, not the former and so he was due half of his long term incentive and retention bonus. However, he has chosen to defer this and so it does not appear in his actual remuneration as disclosed in the annual report, however since Qantas are still legacy obligated to pay this in the future and since it is now a liability to Qantas, Australian accounting standards require them to right this up on their books. People seem to be confusing what is termed his "statutory remuneration" with his "actual remuneration".
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:09 am

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So did the staff working 2-3 days a week if they were lucky, then QF milked JOBKEEPER only to make those very same staff redundant.

Sorry I’ve lost any respect for the guy & he needs to go… QF need new blood leading the group…


Not looking to defend QF and Joyce, but what was their alternative? Jobkeeper in its original format ended at the end of September 2020 and some parts were extended until the end of March 2021. In total, they received A$ 726 million in Jobkeeper support and another A$ 102 million in direct support. However, given that domestic flying was highly restricted until much later in 2021 and international flying still until early 2022 what did you expect them to do? Their annual wage bill pre-COVID was about A$ 3.6 billion? Once government support stoped and their ability to earn revenue was still catastrophically limited how could they have kept all the staff on and avoided bankruptcy? The share price was too shot to go to market for capital and I doubt the shareholders would have subscribed to a rights issue to pay salaries, the aircraft financing market was broken so their ability to sell and lease back was limited (they did that right before COVID and burnt through a lot of that cash in 2020 and 2021) and they already sold off some of the family silver to raise cash. So I'm not sure that the counterfactual looks good.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:15 am

^^ I agree in total. Written and explained systematically. What was done at QF to save the airline hurt everyone and I mean everyone. The only other way was to come under total govt control, and that opens up so many "contortions, its not funny. Covid affect then and now on the airline, employees, passengers etc could be a topic on its own, but at the end of the day, QF is still around. This world is going to undergo many negative aspects in the next few decades that will make Covid a walk in the park. Cheers.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:40 am

evanb wrote:
EK413 wrote:
So did the staff working 2-3 days a week if they were lucky, then QF milked JOBKEEPER only to make those very same staff redundant.

Sorry I’ve lost any respect for the guy & he needs to go… QF need new blood leading the group…


Not looking to defend QF and Joyce, but what was their alternative? Jobkeeper in its original format ended at the end of September 2020 and some parts were extended until the end of March 2021. In total, they received A$ 726 million in Jobkeeper support and another A$ 102 million in direct support. However, given that domestic flying was highly restricted until much later in 2021 and international flying still until early 2022 what did you expect them to do? Their annual wage bill pre-COVID was about A$ 3.6 billion? Once government support stoped and their ability to earn revenue was still catastrophically limited how could they have kept all the staff on and avoided bankruptcy? The share price was too shot to go to market for capital and I doubt the shareholders would have subscribed to a rights issue to pay salaries, the aircraft financing market was broken so their ability to sell and lease back was limited (they did that right before COVID and burnt through a lot of that cash in 2020 and 2021) and they already sold off some of the family silver to raise cash. So I'm not sure that the counterfactual looks good.


Always enjoy reading your perspectives evanb, thanks! :bigthumbsup:
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:17 am

Bonza not likely to get AOC until mid October at the earliest

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/ind ... ion-bonza/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:54 am

Looks like Air India’s operations to Australia continue to remain strong.

Since resuming scheduled (non-Air Bubble) international flights from NS22, Air India has been operating daily flights each to Sydney and Melbourne from Delhi - which is an increase from their pre-pandemic frequency (5 weekly and 3 weekly respectively).

This is now expected to continue into NW22.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:09 am

Is Virgin Australia set to operate flights to multiple cities in New Zealand later this year? I saw that bookings are open to Queestown but I didn’t see other cities in NZ available.
 
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Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:11 am

NotDengXiaoping wrote:
Is Virgin Australia set to operate flights to multiple cities in New Zealand later this year? I saw that bookings are open to Queestown but I didn’t see other cities in NZ available.


I believe they won't be recommencing any other cities for the foreseeable future here in NZ
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:42 am

QF is returning to HND after 2.5 years tonight (12 Sep). VH-QPB is doing the honours. With fleet capacity the way it is right now, I'm quite surprised QF are still having the aircraft sit on the ground all day at HND, rather than using their evening arrival slot. Anyway, good luck to them!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:08 am

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qf789 wrote:
This is likely to go down like a lead balloon

QF CEO Alan Joyce takes home a 15% increase in pay

https://www.afr.com/companies/transport ... 909-p5bgt2

I am so often amazed by the ongoing failure of both politicians and business leaders to "read the room."

I think they just don’t care to read the room, they live in their own little bubbles. But with QFs woes the last 6 months I do wonder how the board can justify increasing pay by 15%.


The board needs a wake up call from investors at the next AGM.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:11 am

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It is likely QF's A321s will have the same set up. IFE adds weight as well as being a source of misery for crew who have to deal with customer dissatisfaction when the screen is faulty. Nearly everyone has a smartphone these days so using a BYOD model is so much easier. For the small number of people who may not have a smartphone, I'd expect a few iPads/Galaxy Tabs to be stored onboard and made available as needed.


I keep hearing this nonsense around crew hating IFE and how unreliable they are - maybe back in the 90s not no it’s simply not true.

QF will have PTVs on their 321s that go Tasman, and into Asia. As for domestic verdict is still out but for flexibility they will. UA is on record saying that they see significant increases in all customer metrics when PTVs are fitted- they distract from everything else.

Verdict is out on 220 - but wouldn’t surprise me either way.


The A220-300 will not have PTV in any seat. It will have satellite wifi and streaming entertainment to your own device.


If the move is to bring your own, then the line between JQ and QF is blurred too much. Also, the streaming rate on the planes is poor when all 170 people on board hit the net for Netflix, making it worse than the onboard option.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:06 pm

https://australianaviation.com.au/2022/ ... ecc6403309

A really nice expansion is complete for the Gold Coat Airport with 3 level high glass views of the hinterland. Plus the airport has capacity for 19 wide bodies now so a huge improvement from the old terminal.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:09 pm

Qf648 wrote:
a320fan wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
I am so often amazed by the ongoing failure of both politicians and business leaders to "read the room."

I think they just don’t care to read the room, they live in their own little bubbles. But with QFs woes the last 6 months I do wonder how the board can justify increasing pay by 15%.


The board needs a wake up call from investors at the next AGM.


Ask those Qantas investors whether they would have preferred to have been Virgin investors and have been wiped out. Like him or not, for all his warts he knows how to run an airline and his salary has been restored to what it was 2 years ago..
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:35 am

VA has made a couple of announcements today including bringing back a new WiFi service (Free for J class and Platinum) charge to everyone else as well as a status match program for all Gold and above status-holders of non-VA aligned carriers cheekily titled Switch-a-rooin case you were unsure who they were targetting.

It looks like they may be going to a series of announcements which suggests the much-delayed big-bang hangar launch in BNE is off the table.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:40 am

The offer of status match with the "Sitch -a-rooin" will not entice me at all. I suffered through 4 VA flights last month. For what my company paid for , I thought I was on Ryan Air. Sorry cant see that attraction
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:46 am

Jetstar has left a group of passengers stranded at NRT, initially the flight had been delayed but now has been cancelled indefinitely

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-a ... 7ed9af8070
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2022

Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:59 am

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Jetstar has left a group of passengers stranded at NRT, initially the flight had been delayed but now has been cancelled indefinitely

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-a ... 7ed9af8070


I recently transited through NRT with Jetstar via Cairns on a Finnair booking in July/August (CNS-NRT-HEL-CPH return). This was literally my biggest fear with the heavy restrictions in Japan!

Thankfully this exact scenario didn't happen to me and my travelling party, however we did have Jetstar cancel our original outgoing CNS-NRT flight with neither Jetstar or Finnair getting in touch with us or being of much assistance with rebooking. After about 6 hours of being on the phone to Finnair (Jetstar didn't even want to hear about it) we managed to get ourselves booked on the following days flight. Extremely frustrating for a last minute 2 week trip to Denmark for a family emergency.

The week before this, my wife's Jetstar flight from BNE-TSV was cancelled last minute on a Sunday night and she was simply told the earliest they would be able to get her home was Wednesday. Again she had zero luck with Jetstar on the phone and only when she went to the airport and spoke directly with ground staff was she put on a flight on Monday morning.

Until this whole mess passes by, Jetstar will be getting zero future business from me. Absolutely appalling how they can strand passengers with no regard for their well being.

Finnair were exceptional (apart from the lengthy rebooking process) and as part of my trip overseas I flew QF on the CNS-TSV leg. I had a 6 hour wait before my booked flight after arriving into CNS in the early hours of the morning and upon checking in the Qantas ground staff in Cairns happily booked me onto an earlier flight. Zero fuss which was nice to see with all the bad press of late. My preference and go to airline domestically is still Virgin however...
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